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Roy Boaz
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:03:00 -
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For more than 2 months now, I have been building a nice business of probes selling in Dodixie. Two months fending off small undercutters, finding new source of T2 material, etc. Now that I am well established, CCP decides, out of the blue, to cut down the BOM to nothing, and only usual material. One of the only interesting building market for non-owner of T2 bpo is now gone. Pity. And my 400M inventory of probe is now worth no more than 40M on the market. Even if I melt them, I will still loose a bundle because stontium, nanatransitor and Hypersynaptic prices will drop sharply. The change of BOM was supposed to be balanced. Right, just like T2 lottery and Invention is balanced... Eve is about finding an opportunity and taking it. It sometime takes time. I don't mind adjustements now and then, but changing the rules like this is just plain wrong. It is not really for the money, I am worth more than 4G, I can take a lost. But only to a more skilled player, not to some dev playing with the game.
I will be closing my account this week. No, you cannot have my stuff. And yes, I know, good riddance, I am not worth of Eve. Real life is still better...
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Biltic Creen
Minmatar Deutsche Minen und Werke
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:06:00 -
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If i can't have your stuff, can i at least have your isk ? |
Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:07:00 -
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Sometimes CCP makes decision that are meant to improve the overall health of the game, but will hit specific individuals extra hard.
Changing rules always makes victims, especially among those among us who are flexible opportunists. There is no such thing as a victim-less rules change, unfortunately.
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Siri Blue
Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:08:00 -
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Just don't post if all that you do is troll!
To the Op...I agree...at least the old stockpiles should still consist of what they have been build from when such a change is made.
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Telkanes Serkant
Caldari Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:08:00 -
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Bad luck mate, But these things happen in MMO's
the Nerf bat hit you hard this time, But I dont think you should leave, U said it yourself that EVE is for the oppertunist!
Just think of it like a UK VAT taxman, He's going to change the rules at some point to screw your business! (I know about that honestly!)
Chin up, Look at how you can alter your situation and move on, a Character worth 4G has more tricks to play and more pies to put fingers in than just Probes.
Good luck.
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Lunadi
Minmatar Solar Trade
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:09:00 -
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Well... I can imaging what you are feeling, I was going to get into probe production too, but I decided just to wait a bit til the revelation changes settle. I agree it's wrong to change such rules, but it was probably needed to grease the exploration wheel and make it turning a bit faster.
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boohoooo
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:10:00 -
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how many probes you got?
also melting will be pointless since you will only get the materials the bpo needs.
sell them on the market for 75k and see what loss you might get. altho it costs less than 10k to make a probe so i dunno how they will drop down to.
AND you should of read the patch notes, i sold ALL my stront, nano, and hypersnaptic fibers yesteday for the same amount i paid for them. I WIN
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Boaz For more than 2 months now, I have been building a nice business of probes selling in Dodixie. Two months fending off small undercutters, finding new source of T2 material, etc.
Bollox. You bought the old probes and recycled them. Not hard work. And the old probes are tiny, a bestower full of them kept our production going for weeks.
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W1ck3d 8uZz
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: W1ck3d 8uZz on 30/01/2007 16:15:25
Originally by: Roy Boaz For more than 2 months now, I have been building a nice business of probes selling in Dodixie. Two months fending off small undercutters, finding new source of T2 material, etc. Now that I am well established, CCP decides, out of the blue, to cut down the BOM to nothing, and only usual material. One of the only interesting building market for non-owner of T2 bpo is now gone. Pity. And my 400M inventory of probe is now worth no more than 40M on the market. Even if I melt them, I will still loose a bundle because stontium, nanatransitor and Hypersynaptic prices will drop sharply. The change of BOM was supposed to be balanced. Right, just like T2 lottery and Invention is balanced... Eve is about finding an opportunity and taking it. It sometime takes time. I don't mind adjustements now and then, but changing the rules like this is just plain wrong. It is not really for the money, I am worth more than 4G, I can take a lost. But only to a more skilled player, not to some dev playing with the game.
I will be closing my account this week. No, you cannot have my stuff. And yes, I know, good riddance, I am not worth of Eve. Real life is still better...
and i say u was gettin too much iskies for an empire doode anyways.. how is THAT ballanced?
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Valrandir
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:19:00 -
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Maybe you could switch your business to something else to cut losses?
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Roy Boaz
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:20:00 -
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To Boohoo,
I read the Patche Notes,but the change was supposed to be "Balanced". I assumed equivalent value in T1 material. That woul'd have been the right thing to do. Anyway, you where smart to melt right away, good to you!
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:32:00 -
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Actually the patch notes said they were taking out the T2 materials, did not say a word about the strontium. That came as a rude shock.
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AdmiralNaismith
The Black Guards
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Posted - 2007.01.30 16:38:00 -
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I lost 160M on grav rigs now that DANNs are dropping from more than one mission. We knew changes were coming, and that NOTHING is profitable at the same rate forever. Except maybe Pods.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:00:00 -
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I was extremely happy when i heard of changes in materials for probes. Finally, i could build them with the minerals i can easily mine in my extremely remote corner of the universe, without having to rely on supplies of T2 materials from empire. I was welcoming the change with open arms
However, this...
Originally by: Roy Boaz I assumed equivalent value in T1 material. That woul'd have been the right thing to do. Anyway, you where smart to melt right away, good to you!
... is a very valid point. The "cost" should have remained same/equivalent. I had no issues paying for the probes as much as people were asking in empire. The issue was inconvenience of getting the needed materials to build them in deep 0.0
They should have bumped up the mineral requirements to at least preserve the stocks of those that were building them
== Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Exiled One
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: W1ck3d 8uZz Edited by: W1ck3d 8uZz on 30/01/2007 16:15:25
Originally by: Roy Boaz For more than 2 months now, I have been building a nice business of probes selling in Dodixie. Two months fending off small undercutters, finding new source of T2 material, etc. Now that I am well established, CCP decides, out of the blue, to cut down the BOM to nothing, and only usual material. One of the only interesting building market for non-owner of T2 bpo is now gone. Pity. And my 400M inventory of probe is now worth no more than 40M on the market. Even if I melt them, I will still loose a bundle because stontium, nanatransitor and Hypersynaptic prices will drop sharply. The change of BOM was supposed to be balanced. Right, just like T2 lottery and Invention is balanced... Eve is about finding an opportunity and taking it. It sometime takes time. I don't mind adjustements now and then, but changing the rules like this is just plain wrong. It is not really for the money, I am worth more than 4G, I can take a lost. But only to a more skilled player, not to some dev playing with the game.
I will be closing my account this week. No, you cannot have my stuff. And yes, I know, good riddance, I am not worth of Eve. Real life is still better...
and i say u was gettin too much iskies for an empire doode anyways.. how is THAT ballanced?
Spot on my jigga Signature removed as it fails to comply with the rules. Also, please think of the epileptics :) -Ivan K
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Drachma Golea
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:07:00 -
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BOM? Sorry, but what is a BOM?
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Max Kentarii
Nordic Endeavour
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Drachma Golea BOM? Sorry, but what is a BOM?
Bill of Materials -----
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R'adeh
Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:10:00 -
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Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. You got hit hard, some other guy will have made huge profits. People who bought a bubble BPO before Kali were cursing too, on the other hand, if you bought 400 local inertia stabilizers at 300k/unit before Kali, you'd be making a happy dance now _______________________________________________
My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma! |
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Drachma Golea BOM? Sorry, but what is a BOM?
Bill Of Materials.
The tech2 components and ice products were removed in order to reduce the price on exploration probes. ________________________________ ~Jiekon ~CCP QA Known Issues Easy steps to bug reporting How to use the log server
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boohoooo
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Boaz To Boohoo,
I read the Patche Notes,but the change was supposed to be "Balanced". I assumed equivalent value in T1 material. That woul'd have been the right thing to do. Anyway, you where smart to melt right away, good to you!
i went on the test server to see what the probes needed, and i loose cause i didnt melt down my probes i had, but i didnt have many anyway.
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Mikal Drey
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:11:00 -
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hey hey
all i can say is GUTTED :/ personally i have every exploration probe bpo and a small store of probes. as well as the TII comps to build more. CCP gimp/nerf and change lots of things and i find myself constantly adapting after each change its adapt or forum whine. Its CCP what did you expect.
and as to the DANN :/ that hit me too i guess i'll start a post about that. . . . ...
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:26:00 -
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Quick! Stock up on tissues. I foresee the prices going up due to a lot of crying going on.
Sometimes changes benefit you, sometimes they don't. Get used to it. None of the people whining above probably complained a lot when they were making a lot of money off the probes, so it really is a bit hypocritical.....
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Clurk Brodon
CthulhuFhtagn
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon The tech2 components and ice products were removed in order to reduce the price on exploration probes.
That's great news for those of us who invested their meager ressources in probes just to beta test your bugged complex. I'm now the proud owner of 1416 worthless probes, thanks a lot!
You know, some new players aren't billionaires yet. This kind of decision really hurts. But adapt or die, yeah? Well, since probs went from 100k to 10k overnight, maybe you should nerf tier2 battlecruiser producers? I wonder what would happen if the Drakes were suddenly worth 4 millions...
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Noriath
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth Sometimes CCP makes decision that are meant to improve the overall health of the game, but will hit specific individuals extra hard.
Pity they never make that decision when it comes to Tech 2 BPOs and their owners who basicly get all the fun in the game and none of the grind.
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Templer Relleg
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Templer Relleg on 30/01/2007 17:48:16 I understand why this was changed, but i dislike how it was done. I think the probes should be done like T2 stuff. You need a probe of the same size(This case range), and then you need some T2 materials.
But since they now only require t1 minerals, they are very cheap, and easy to make. I think you should rather make it use T2 materials only. But not alot, to make up for that they are expensive per unit. But if you change the amount of stront it needs, it will cost much less.
This will be a good effect, since it will increase the demand. Also it will open a market for reactions, since alot of the T2 producers get their T2 materials on contracts, theres not that much sale for t2 materials. But this will increase. Will also be a good isk sink
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Drachma Golea BOM? Sorry, but what is a BOM?
Bill Of Materials.
The tech2 components and ice products were removed in order to reduce the price on exploration probes.
Probes using T2 components was actually a good thing as that darn stuff really needs to see more demand :/
Now recruiting!
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2007.01.30 17:58:00 -
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Market's change in EVE, like they do in real life. Some people make bad investments, they think the original sale margin will be huge, and they will stand to make a huge profit. Then all of a sudden, materials are cheaper, and you just made a huge loss.
Market's change. Adapt, or die. ---
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 30/01/2007 17:59:32 400million inventory? Probes? Sounds like you 'closed down' your business sense a while ago.
Cant you reprocess them? ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Clurk Brodon
CthulhuFhtagn
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:06:00 -
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You get some isogen and tritanium when reprocessing probes, not the strontium you put in.
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.01.30 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Drachma Golea BOM? Sorry, but what is a BOM?
Bill Of Materials.
The tech2 components and ice products were removed in order to reduce the price on exploration probes.
Probes using T2 components was actually a good thing as that darn stuff really needs to see more demand :/
Except that the npc stations sold infinite supplies of them at cut rate prices, making it easy to buy them and transport your components, some minerals, and even strontium at a compressed rate, greatly so. What this meant is that it was easier to rely on npc supply than buy from players.
If the probes required the parts to build but did not refine into them, I would be overjoyed.
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