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Andronitis
Suddenly Carebears
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Posted - 2016.02.10 15:15:19 -
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CCP, this is a blatant cash grab that needs to be fixed before going live. Introducing new skills to gain the same utility as we already have while at the same time introducing skill injectors and mismatched Aurum prices. You are letting greed ruin a once great game. Pay to win exemplified.
-4 accounts come Citadel |
Aaril
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
22
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Posted - 2016.02.10 15:20:37 -
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At this point it is a pretty safe assumption that you will not have both FAX 5 and Carrier 5 without training both. I agree with the general sentiment that this is a bad business practice, BUT...I think there may be a solution that could make both sides happy.
Essentially, take the current Carrier 5 bonuses and make them a hull bonus on the new ship. That way, even if a person chose to have FAX 1 and Carrier 1 they would lose no relative power from today. Since the ships are being split, I think most people are hoping for some new mechanics/powers to make the split interesting. This new mechanic could then be affected by the skill bonus instead.
Another similar idea is to make the ship bonuses relatively minor (similar to what they did to Drone Interfacing). For example, instead of a bonus being 10% per level, make them 5% per level. Then make sure that FAX 4 and Carrier 4 are each at the same relative power that Carrier 5 is today. There is a 5% power creep due to this idea, but I feel that is relatively minor. |
Azahar Ortenegro
Astromechanica Maxima
Astromechanica Federatis
58
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Posted - 2016.02.10 15:31:10 -
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Mane Frehm wrote:If not, then I recommend that at the time you release the Force Auxiliary ships, you refund all the SPs trained in both Carriers and Force Auxiliaries, AND you refund the 500 million ISK per skillbook for Carriers and Skillbooks. Players can then choose which they want with the necessary information at their disposal.
Do get your act together; we've seen you do much better.
This. Reimburse, and let the players choose what they want to do. |
PotterPig
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.02.10 15:33:08 -
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I'm fine with having new skills to train.
My Problem with all this is only, that CCP wants me to decide, which FAX I train now, without telling me, what the FAX's stats will look like. If I start training a FAX to 5 now, I'll be ready when the patch goes live. But I dont know what racial skill to train up ... |
Loroseco Kross
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
28
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Posted - 2016.02.10 15:57:00 -
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My Reddit post on the topic. 400+ upvotes is not something to turn your nose up at. The silent majority clearly do not like the way thus change has been implemented
I'm an acquired taste.
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Evan Giants
Plundering Penguins
Solyaris Chtonium
14
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Posted - 2016.02.10 15:58:46 -
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So everyone called you out, CCP. They laid out arguments, all maths and ****. And why haven't you fix this **** already?
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Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
140
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:00:46 -
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Azahar Ortenegro wrote:Mane Frehm wrote:If not, then I recommend that at the time you release the Force Auxiliary ships, you refund all the SPs trained in both Carriers and Force Auxiliaries, AND you refund the 500 million ISK per skillbook for Carriers and Skillbooks. Players can then choose which they want with the necessary information at their disposal.
Do get your act together; we've seen you do much better. This. Reimburse, and let the players choose what they want to do.
I don't want to be refunded. I was a perfect DPS carrier AND triage carrier PRE-Citadel. I want to be a perfect DPS carrier and Triage carrier POST-Citadel. I shouldn't have to choose, I shouldn't have to spend more isk on something I already can do. I fail to see what people don't get about this.
Ignoring the fact that we need to spend isk on 2 rank 12 fighter books, and the FAX machine book. IGNORING that it's at least 3 months of training to get back to the same square I'm at now. PLUS another month for every other racial carrier that I previously trained. Despite what some of you choose to believe some of us have characters that performed a DPS role AND a logi role with triage. I shouldn't have to choose to **** myself just because CCP want my money. |
Memphis Baas
1105
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:11:06 -
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You're also ignoring the specifics of the carrier changes, where you won't be able to be a "perfect DPS carrier pilot" because they're adding player skill into the equation: how good you are at managing your launches, returns, and refittings.
They watched too many World War 2 movies and want carrier pilots to be caught "with their pants down" like in those movies - having bombers in the air instead of defense fighters, or having all their fighters away on attack when the enemy planes arrive.
Think of it through the filter of "how CCP balances ships", the only way they believe they can achieve this "pants down" is to balance the new carriers so you're always at a disadvantage even with all skills 5. Thus, you won't be a "perfect" pilot. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1064
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:11:56 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:EdFromHumanResources wrote:Can you make an exception for pilots that are...I dunno..sitting in a Mothership? If you don't inject the racial force auxiliary skill then your skillpoints will remain in the racial carrier skill. Rancid Meatballs wrote:What happens if a pilot logs in his carrier, and there are no SP in his carrier skill? You can still warp / jump / dock / etc. However you won't have any bonuses from your skill, and you can't undock until you reallocate the skillpoints into the carrier skill.
Last update 2 days ago. Thanks CCP for reminding me why I quit paying you a dime of my RL money since the Odyssey expansion.
Not today spaghetti.
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KIller Wabbit
Unleashed' Fury
Imminent Threat
926
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:16:43 -
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Nice cash grab CCP!
Still betting on pink slips. |
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CCP Larrikin
C C P
C C P Alliance
374
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:39:37 -
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Hi Mates,
We hear you! We're rethinking our Force Auxiliary skill transition plan. Please wait for the devblog for more details.
Cheers,
CCP Larrikin
Game Designer | Team Five-0 | https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2902
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:42:05 -
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Carrier and Force Auxiliary skills should cost just 10x instead of 14x. Even at 10x, they will still be more skill-intensive than Dreadnoughts with all their important support skills. Making them only 10x will greatly reduce the retraining burden for pilots who had previously had training for both fighters and triage, and now will not have it.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Trajan Unknown
Rifterlings
Zero.Four Ops
75
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:42:24 -
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So did I get that right and the fighter/fighter bomber skill will get obsolete?
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D3m0n sam
Shadow Incursion
The Banished
61
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:42:46 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Mates,
We hear you! We're rethinking our Force Auxiliary skill transition plan. Please wait for the devblog for more details.
Cheers,
CCP Larrikin
Thankgod. |
Robert Dalentis
What Could Go Wrong
Snuffed Out
10
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:45:50 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Mates,
We hear you! We're rethinking our Force Auxiliary skill transition plan. Please wait for the devblog for more details.
Cheers,
CCP Larrikin
Good Guy Larrikin
Lack of intelligence officer
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Morrigan LeSante
Senex Legio
The OSS
1194
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:48:46 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Mates,
We hear you! We're rethinking our Force Auxiliary skill transition plan. Please wait for the devblog for more details.
Cheers,
CCP Larrikin
You....I like you. |
James Clough
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
34
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:49:47 -
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Can someone confirm what's happening with the fighters skills?
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Ripard Teg
Snuff Box
Snuffed Out
1242
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:56:05 -
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Thank you.
aka Jester, who apparently was once Deemed Worthy To Wield The Banhammer to good effect.
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Zealot Ghasha
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:56:46 -
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Thank you - good to see CCP is listening |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
17456
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:58:25 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Mates,
We hear you! We're rethinking our Force Auxiliary skill transition plan. Please wait for the devblog for more details.
Cheers,
CCP Larrikin
Thank you.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2016.02.10 16:59:21 -
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Trajan Unknown wrote:So did I get that right and the fighter/fighter bomber skill will get obsolete?
I too would like to know if this is the case so that I can extract all the SP from my carrier alts when supers get crushed by the nerf bat. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1767
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:00:34 -
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Dont mean to seem ungrateful but i wonder if this has anything to do with the already huge numbers of injectors and extractors traded yesterday, on top of the backlash from cap pilots.
Perhaps the pressure is off on the hard sell :p
Dont get me wrong, i think the injectors/extractors are a great item to help newer players catch up on the years. Just didnt look good when they come at the same time you take abilities away from older players.
Fingers crossed. |
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Northern Army
436
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:02:31 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Thanks CCP for reminding me why I quit paying you a dime of my RL money since the Odyssey expansion.
Congratulations on making them more money than if you had paid with plastic. |
FleshDiver
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
3
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:03:18 -
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Trajan Unknown wrote:So did I get that right and the fighter/fighter bomber skill will get obsolete?
For flying a FAX, yes fighters skills will not be applicable
For carriers no, the fighters and fighter bombers skill will be used to improve proficiency with those fighter types. I imagine the fighters skill will improve all fighters, where as light, support, and bombers will have their niches improved by their respective skills. |
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
304
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:10:03 -
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D3m0n sam wrote:CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Mates,
We hear you! We're rethinking our Force Auxiliary skill transition plan. Please wait for the devblog for more details.
Cheers,
CCP Larrikin Thankgod.
i say let's wait an see... |
Trajan Unknown
Rifterlings
Zero.Four Ops
75
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:12:17 -
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FleshDiver wrote:Trajan Unknown wrote:So did I get that right and the fighter/fighter bomber skill will get obsolete?
For flying a FAX, yes fighters skills will not be applicable For carriers no, the fighters and fighter bombers skill will be used to improve proficiency with those fighter types. I imagine the fighters skill will improve all fighters, where as light, support, and bombers will have their niches improved by their respective skills.
Thanks for the reply. Guess I will keep the stuff in on my other char then. :)
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Zorena
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
12
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:13:37 -
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Capgu thanks for your ideas and suggestions in the capital discussion group. |
Orion Pax
Yoyodyne corporation
38
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:18:19 -
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What happens to people that already bought and injected the skills? |
Capitol One
Snuff Box
Snuffed Out
197
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:20:12 -
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Glad to see CCP respond to the feedback :) |
Mane Frehm
The Executioners
Shadow Cartel
58
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Posted - 2016.02.10 17:20:53 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Mates,
We hear you! We're rethinking our Force Auxiliary skill transition plan. Please wait for the devblog for more details.
Cheers,
CCP Larrikin
Thank you for listening. |
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