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Jack Theisant
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:24:13 -
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...and now an Injector, also in Essence, for 800M.
Essence seems to be a spot for high profit right now. |
Kalgeroth
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:33:51 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:There's a lot of idle ISK ingame, not to mention people dumping plex on the market already. The bulk of injector purchases are going to be frontloaded, then it will slow down to a trickle. Once the novelty wears off, the feeding frenzy will end.
Many people who actively play EVE will see an advantage to training that shiny new toy...quickly. And they'll pay what they can afford for that instant gratification. Today and indeed any other day. This is unlikely to end while the servers are online.
This is unrelated to the pent up supply of SP we currently have flooding the market, and the resulting supply shock we will experience shortly afterwards until additional SP farming alts are fully running at 6m SP in a few months.
MARKET UPDATE:
Extractor prices touched 603m in Jita before bouncing quickly back to 640m, and rising
Even with massive supply coming to market demand is holding and, it seems, strengthening |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:40:30 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:There's a lot of idle ISK ingame, not to mention people dumping plex on the market already. The bulk of injector purchases are going to be frontloaded, then it will slow down to a trickle. Once the novelty wears off and people meet their SP goals, the feeding frenzy will end. EVE could be very frustrating to newbies... you want to do it all but when you fire up EFT and see your puny dps and terrible tanking, not to mention shortage of cpu and powergrid, you just feel that you will never get anywhere.
Not anymore. With enough time and drive for grinding, or a hefty amount of real money, any newbie can completely skip the hard phase and have a character with perfect fitting skills and solid combat and ship skills on day 1. This guarantees demand as long as new players join EVE.
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Ria Nieyli
40507
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:41:15 -
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Kalgeroth wrote:Many people who actively play EVE will see an advantage to training that shiny new toy...quickly. And they'll pay what they can afford for that instant gratification. Today and indeed any other day. This is unlikely to end while the servers are online. This is unrelated to the pent up supply of SP we currently have flooding the market, and the resulting supply shock we will experience shortly afterwards until additional SP farming alts are fully running at 6m SP in a few months. MARKET UPDATE: Extractor prices touched 603m in Jita before bouncing quickly back to 640m, and rising Even with massive supply coming to market demand is holding and, it seems, strengthening
And many people who actively play EVE don't care about the rate of SP acquisition, seeing as how a lot train with empty clones and the likes. So while they might buy 2-3 injectors now to polish off some skills, it's unlikely that it'll keep up. Not to mention that as characters age naturally and get more SP both the higher diminishing returns and the less need for extra SP will make most people apprehensive of buying injectors. |
Kalgeroth
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:44:10 -
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Well that (interesting) speculation about motivation which sadly none of us can verify. Whereas it's true to say there will be a supply rush due to years of accumulated unwanted SP, followed by a much lower rate of SP being extracted afterwards. It's sensible to conclude that this will impact the price.
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Kalgeroth
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:46:22 -
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MARKET UPDATE: Prices rising dramatically
Amarr: skill injectors now 745m ISK, and rising Jita: skill injectors have climbed quickly to 650m, and rising
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Ria Nieyli
40507
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:48:07 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:EVE could be very frustrating to newbies... you want to do it all but when you fire up EFT and see your puny dps and terrible tanking, not to mention shortage of cpu and powergrid, you just feel that you will never get anywhere.
Not anymore. With enough time and drive for grinding, or a hefty amount of real money, any newbie can completely skip the hard phase and have a character with perfect fitting skills and solid combat and ship skills on day 1. This guarantees demand as long as new players join EVE.
There's a lot of people that weren't frustrated by EVE when they started out, nor did they feel useless with low SP and were still able to accomplish things. This is made even easier with the new 400k starting amount now. You can fit frigate that can win you solo fights with 0 hours of additional training right now.
Yet the pricing means that if you're a genuinely new player, you'd have to shell out a lot of real cash to be able to afford extractors. At that points it's easier to generate some PLEX and browse the Character Bazaar. What's more, people that would do that are a niche subset of the playerbase. Either way, I do not see new players massively influencing the demand. The target audience for this product is people that have 20m up to 50m SP. |
Ria Nieyli
40507
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:57:19 -
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Kalgeroth wrote:Well that (interesting) speculation about motivation which sadly none of us can verify. Whereas it's true to say there will be a supply rush due to years of accumulated unwanted SP, followed by a much lower rate of SP being extracted afterwards. It's sensible to conclude that this will impact the price.
Well then, it's also true to say that as time passes people will passively accumulate SP by training that will either
A) Make them want to buy injectors less, to a point of possibly making them not want them at all. B) Make them sell said SP on the market as they feel that they don't need it.
B is going to lead to some interesting pricing by the "Skill Points that I train are free" people. Overall, the injectors should keep appreciating in value after the initial surpluses get used up, but it's because their cost can be directly that to PLEX and they will follow its trends closely. |
Berrice Silf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.09 18:59:00 -
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Kalgeroth wrote:Well that (interesting) speculation about motivation which sadly none of us can verify. Whereas it's true to say there will be a supply rush due to years of accumulated unwanted SP, followed by a much lower rate of SP being extracted afterwards. It's sensible to conclude that this will impact the price.
You don't need 6 mill to extract either its over 5.5 mill. You cannot ever drop below the 5 mill threshold.
Seems very strange that they've added this new feature to the skill queue system as well, i can on one of my characters now have its training for the next 3 years and 17 days without even logging on to do anything, how exactly is that encouraging active play ?? |
Kalgeroth
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:00:40 -
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Berrice Silf wrote: Seems very strange that they've added this new feature to the skill queue system as well, i can on one of my characters now have its training for the next 3 years and 17 days without even logging on to do anything, how exactly is that encouraging active play ??
Why would CCP want you to give them a little extra server load when they can just soak up your subscription money without you even bothering to log in? |
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Berrice Silf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:09:29 -
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Kalgeroth wrote:Berrice Silf wrote: Seems very strange that they've added this new feature to the skill queue system as well, i can on one of my characters now have its training for the next 3 years and 17 days without even logging on to do anything, how exactly is that encouraging active play ??
Why would CCP want you to give them a little extra server load when they can just soak up your subscription money without you even bothering to log in?
Why are they saying this feature and the TSP is going to stimulate PCU when all it will do is generate more dead farming accounts and give people even more reasons not to log on, Find something else to do whilst passively earning. |
pajedas
Warlord of Mars
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:15:55 -
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Farming at today's prices will barely pay for that character's subscription.
So, unless the profit margin goes up I don't see a new breed of passive income.
682m-304m=378m*3.76=1.42b per month
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Kalgeroth
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:16:41 -
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Berrice Silf wrote:
Why are they saying this feature and the TSP is going to stimulate PCU when all it will do is generate more dead farming accounts and give people even more reasons not to log on, Find something else to do whilst passively earning.
Honestly I don't mind what people do with their accounts. I'm just speculating about the cost of injectors.
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S'Way
1270
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:30:52 -
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The thread title needs updating, not sure what prices in Jita are doing atm, but other areas they're now going up steadily without a sign of slowing down. |
Seeker Atreides
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:38:38 -
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Injector 679m and dipping
Extractor holding at 302m |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:45:31 -
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Literally just replying to put my guess on the record for where filled injectors will settle, 680m ISK or in other terms 60% more expensive than SP from regular training off a PLEX purchase.
257m for extractor at 1.258b ISK / -ú17 with extractor cost at $5 (-ú3.47) 420m for the SP at 1/3 the price of a PLEX, the only way to obtain SP in the first place, assuming no personal value of the SP 677m total cost to buy the 500k SP
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:56:00 -
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sooooo we aint gonna see all these maxed characters roaming around that people were moaning about?
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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David Therman
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.09 20:00:52 -
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Well, it didn't take long for the injectors to be fobbed off as extractors... that's all I'm seeing in Jita local at the moment. |
pajedas
Warlord of Mars
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Posted - 2016.02.09 20:01:47 -
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3500+ Pilots in Jita atm.
When will Eve Central pick up the prices?
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.09 20:12:20 -
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Good job I don't have to worry about it.
As I can just continue to train.
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Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
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Posted - 2016.02.09 21:36:51 -
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But, but, but...shiny! |
Kalgeroth
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.09 22:58:03 -
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Skill Injectors up to 800m each in Amarr now |
Zherpa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.02.10 00:12:34 -
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Time to start buying up those minerals, boys and girls. There are a lot fewer miners in New Eden tonight, now that they've respec'd or sold billions of Skillpoints.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2016.02.10 00:21:11 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:At present prices of injectors and extractors: Eve is now Free to Play.
Train skill. Buy extractor from the market, with ISK. Fill extractor Sell extractor. Repeat 4 times a month Result: Sufficient ISK profit to get a PLEX.
It has been since 2008.
internet spaceships
are serious business sir.
and don't forget it
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Rhohan
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.10 00:42:07 -
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I just got rid of 36 mil SP I won't be using anymore. Yay Force Aux! Nice bit of ISK too.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.10 00:45:32 -
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Kalgeroth wrote:PLEX prices are currently 1.30bn Skill Extractors have currently stabilized in the Jita market at 330m Skill Extractors should eventually sell for a simple AUR->ISK conversion, as they are not supply limited unlike trained SP. Skill injectors are still incredibly volatile, moving between 700-750m in both Jita and Amarr in rapid price movements. Volumes for sale are however low. In the whole of Jita there are perhaps less than 100 skill injectors for sale. It won't take much for prices to soar upwards.
Thin markets are often volatile....
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4684
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Posted - 2016.02.10 00:49:21 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Kalgeroth wrote:PLEX prices are currently 1.30bn Skill Extractors have currently stabilized in the Jita market at 330m Skill Extractors should eventually sell for a simple AUR->ISK conversion, as they are not supply limited unlike trained SP. Skill injectors are still incredibly volatile, moving between 700-750m in both Jita and Amarr in rapid price movements. Volumes for sale are however low. In the whole of Jita there are perhaps less than 100 skill injectors for sale. It won't take much for prices to soar upwards. Thin markets are often volatile....
Ahem....
Not a bad initial guess, IMO.
And still waiting for the bubble.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Gen Saint
No Fun Entreprise
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Posted - 2016.02.10 01:21:15 -
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Lets crush some numbers about SP farming for ISK,
According to my understanding of the process, as far as the numbers are atm, this is not a viable option unless you fuel your SP farming account with an other toon either with ISK or USD to pay for the sub fees.
Proof (?):
Assuming:
- today's approximative market data are used for calculation purposes - Plex pruchase price is almost equal to Plex selling price (average between sell and buy order) - SP extractor pruchase price is almost equal to SP Extractor selling price (average between sell and buy order) - SP injector pruchase price is almost equal to SP Injector selling price (average between sell and buy order) - Annual sub. Fees - Extractor are purchased in bundle with NO special promo 10 extractor = 10 000 AUR - Assuming the ISK value of extractor are given by the AUR cost at 800 AUR, we can calculate the ISK value of SP Extractor at 1000 AUR (assuming 300M ISK / 800 AUR) - all training is done with +5 / +5 implant and maximal remap (2700 SP/h / 24h / 30 days) - CCP bills annual sub on a 360 days rotation - the SP farming toon is over 5,5M SP - Skill extractor extract 500K SP per run
Data:
Plex ISK value1270M ISK Montly sub. Fees 10.95USD SP Extractor AUR Value1000AUR SP Extractor ISK Value375M ISK(300 M ISK market value if purchased at 800 AUR) SP Injector ISK Value660M ISK
We know that: - 1 month of training = 10.95USD = 1 PLEX = 3500 AUR = 1270 M ISK = 1944M SP
Calculations - AUR approach:
- on year base we find that: i can learn : 2700 SP/h x 24h x 360 days = 23328000SP To extract all the SP in 1 year i need: Euclidean division (23328000 / 500K)= 46extractors To purchase all extractors needed, i must get:46 extractors x 1000 AUR / extractor = 46000AUR To get all the AUR needed, i must get: 46 000 AUR / 3500 AUR/PLEX = 13.14285714PLEX (14 rounded up) To fuel learning alt, sub fees paied: 12 months x 1 PLEX/month = 12PLEX
- wich lead us : i need to purchase = 26Plex each plex cost 1270M ISK 26 PLEX x 1270M ISK = 33020M ISK I'ill sell the injectors at 660M ISK 46 injectors x 660M ISK = 30360M ISK
Total income:-2660M ISK / year
Calculations - ISK approach:
- on year base we find that: i can learn : 2700 SP/h x 24h x 360 days = 23328000SP To extract all the SP i can in 1 year i need: Euclidean division (23328000 / 500K)= 46extractors To purchase all extractors needed, i must get:46 extractors x 375 M ISK / extractor = 17250M ISK To fuel learning alt, sub fees paied: 12 months x 1 PLEX/month = 12PLEX
- wich lead us : i need to purchase = 12Plex each plex cost 1270M ISK 12 PLEX x 1270M ISK = 15240M ISK Purchased extractors = 17250M ISK I'ill sell the injectors at 660M ISK 46 injectors x 660M ISK = 30360M ISK
Total income:-2130M ISK / year
In conclusion, it is not a profitable operation since you must fuel the farming account with approximatively 2200M ISK per year. Did i miss something? Is my undersatnading of the situation correct?
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2016.02.10 01:37:21 -
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Quote:In conclusion, it is not a profitable operation since you must fuel the farming account with approximatively 2200M ISK per year. Did i miss something? Is my undersatnading of the situation correct?
Yeah, not everyone needs more SP.
If you are a mission runner with all 5's in marauders and strategic cruisers and support skills, you can just sell off your SP that you earn. Or a station trader with max trading skills and rep. Basically, all sub cap pilots that dont want to be cap pilots only need a few years training to max out what they do.
internet spaceships
are serious business sir.
and don't forget it
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Gen Saint
No Fun Entreprise
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Posted - 2016.02.10 01:39:50 -
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make sense! |
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