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Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.31 17:06:00 -
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Am I the only one that thinks the sig is wrong? I never understood why the stealth ships have a larger signature then the none stealth variation. Am I missing something?
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Stud Longcock
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Posted - 2007.01.31 17:08:00 -
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Could it be the battleship-class weapons mounted on it?
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Ghostshadow
Caldari Templars of Space
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Posted - 2007.01.31 17:09:00 -
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all those electronics light you up like a Best Buy on the radar :P
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Amarr Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.31 17:47:00 -
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Also puzzling is the fact that the gallente one seems to be designed as a blaster bomber...
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2007.01.31 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Am I the only one that thinks the sig is wrong? I never understood why the stealth ships have a larger signature then the none stealth variation. Am I missing something?
Apparently stealth is not a priority on the stealth bomber. It's still a fun ship that needs a lot of tweaking. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |
Axitikus
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.31 18:26:00 -
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methinks the sig radius is the least of the SB's problems in its current state.
~When I can use Drones as Blaster ammo, then I'll be truly happy~ |
xalus morbine
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:12:00 -
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What exactly is the problem with this ship? I've personally seen a manticore uncloak pop a frigate with a volley of cruise missiles before it had a chance to run then warp off like nothing happened
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: xalus morbine What exactly is the problem with this ship? I've personally seen a manticore uncloak pop a frigate with a volley of cruise missiles before it had a chance to run then warp off like nothing happened
Stealth Bombers are one trick ponies, and this is its one trick. They came in pre nerfed...and seem to have been forgotten. Once being in a T1 frig on the receiving end of the cruise salvo (1 is all it takes) I know they have potential...but if im in anything besides a T1 frig....I really dont worry about stealth bombers as it currently stands.
Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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darkmancer
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:51:00 -
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Lets see huge sig, high mass, low agility, tends to 'bunny hop' when warping though systems, cant use cov opp 2, expensive, cloaks v'expensive, medicore dps, rubbish resists, low hp, slow, bad locking time, ouu and hard to fit too. You can change they're damage type but not while cloaked, plus you lose the damage bonus and you'll need every point of damage.
People say gangs of them are good but tbh gangs of most ships are good. A gang of assault ships/ints be cheaper and more effective.
Rumours abound of it getting a special use but until it does, I doubt you'll see many of them around. --------------------------------- There's a simple solution to every problem. It is always invariably wrong |
Wizzkidy
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:54:00 -
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There getting a buff in Kali 2. Read one of the Dev Blogs
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.31 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: xalus morbine What exactly is the problem with this ship? I've personally seen a manticore uncloak pop a frigate with a volley of cruise missiles before it had a chance to run then warp off like nothing happened
I have seen 3 dampening manticores get owned by my ares as i passed by with 4 km/s and they did 5 damage each missile.
Yes stealthbombers suck badly. Nemesis is probably the most craptastic of all, you cant fit anything decent on it... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.31 20:01:00 -
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ôOriginally by: madaluap Nemesis is probably the most craptastic of all, you cant fit anything decent on it...ö Perhaps your not aware but the Nemesis got boosted 2 patchÆs ago. You can now fit stuff to it. ItÆs a decent ship now.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.31 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey ôOriginally by: madaluap Nemesis is probably the most craptastic of all, you cant fit anything decent on it...ö Perhaps your not aware but the Nemesis got boosted 2 patchÆs ago. You can now fit stuff to it. ItÆs a decent ship now.
Oh realleh? LOL
fitted it once yeh, was a while ago...still 2 launchers dont make my pants go wet... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.31 20:15:00 -
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It made a big difference to me. I can now fit a tank and shoot. Over 2500 shield hitpoints, resistance boosts, and over 15 HP/s all solo. Passive shield tanking guide click here |
madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.31 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey It made a big difference to me. I can now fit a tank and shoot. Over 2500 shield hitpoints, resistance boosts, and over 15 HP/s all solo.
What do you have in your high? _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.31 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 31/01/2007 20:20:58 Not a lot 2 launchers and thatÆs it. Flying a cheap expandable ship right now while I learn about PvP which is the only reason there is no cloak fitted yet. I figured I am going die a far few times to start with. Going yo fit a cloak and more at a later date and I also need adv weapon upgrades to free up more PG.
Not decided what to use in the high slots, any suggestions? Passive shield tanking guide click here |
madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.31 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 31/01/2007 20:20:58 Not a lot 2 launchers and thatÆs it. Flying a cheap expandable ship right now while I learn about PvP which is the only reason there is no cloak fitted yet. I figured I am going die a far few times to start with. Going yo fit a cloak and more at a later date and I also need adv weapon upgrades to free up more PG.
Not decided what to use in the high slots, any suggestions?
Thats right. 2 freacking launchers. you do less dps than my ares. I tried shieldextending it before and it didnt work out with 125mm 2 fitted. And you might find it all odd that i actually fit guns on it. But if i would use a nemesis it should be able to fit:
2* 150mm 2 (spike) 2* cruise launcher 2 (cataclysm precision) 1* cloak 2
2* phased muon damp 1* disruptor 2 or fleeting warp scram 1* x5 web
1* 200mm rolled plate 1* DCU 2
Thats what a normal nemesis should be able to fit...Or fit:
2* 150mm 2 (spike) 2* cruise launcher 2 (cataclysm precision) 1* cloak 2
1* F-S9 medium shieldextender or T2 1* warp disruptor 2 or fleeting warp scram 1* x5 web 1* whatever: targetpainter, damp, tracking dis, v-m15 invul
1* PDU 2 1* DCU 2 or BCU 2
Thats a decent ship, rest is all crap... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.31 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Am I the only one that thinks the sig is wrong? I never understood why the stealth ships have a larger signature then the none stealth variation. Am I missing something?
That the stealth gimmick means they cannot be survivable.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.01 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Pottsey Am I the only one that thinks the sig is wrong? I never understood why the stealth ships have a larger signature then the none stealth variation. Am I missing something?
That the stealth gimmick means they cannot be survivable.
Of course it does. That's why my gimmicky Pilgrim has zero tank, and depends completely on its ewar to survive. Oh wait, I have a tank just short of a HAC, and an even better cloak.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.01 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Pottsey Am I the only one that thinks the sig is wrong? I never understood why the stealth ships have a larger signature then the none stealth variation. Am I missing something?
That the stealth gimmick means they cannot be survivable.
Of course it does. That's why my gimmicky Pilgrim has zero tank, and depends completely on its ewar to survive. Oh wait, I have a tank just short of a HAC, and an even better cloak.
Well the stealth bombers gimmick is meant here... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.01 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 01/02/2007 07:20:35
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Pottsey Am I the only one that thinks the sig is wrong? I never understood why the stealth ships have a larger signature then the none stealth variation. Am I missing something?
That the stealth gimmick means they cannot be survivable.
Of course it does. That's why my gimmicky Pilgrim has zero tank, and depends completely on its ewar to survive. Oh wait, I have a tank just short of a HAC, and an even better cloak.
Well the stealth bombers gimmick is meant here...
I know what is meant here. My force recon ship is balanced just fine even though it has both a better cloak than bombers, and a good tank. Doing the same for bombers would not be overpowered. It's not my prefered choice, but it's not unbalanced. Maya, on the other hand, has an anti-bomber crusade and thinks that as long as they can use cloaks, they have to be completely useless and broken or they'd be too powerful.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.01 07:54:00 -
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I can live with the no cloak while warped bit, but it does smell. I mean you actually have to get to a target to kill it right ? And your only chance of doing so requires being stealthy.
Its not right that you have to wait at a location to do so.
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xalus morbine
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Posted - 2007.02.01 20:47:00 -
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read this interview. it briefly discusses the boost stealth bombers might get in revelations II http://frontpage.forcefeedback.nl/index.php?id=feature-6 still sounds like a niche but then what do you expect from a "stealth bomber" right? asault ships are the all around combat ship.
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Karasu Kaizoku
Caldari Project Mortormis
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Posted - 2007.02.01 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey It made a big difference to me. I can now fit a tank and shoot. Over 2500 shield hitpoints, resistance boosts, and over 15 HP/s all solo.
Problem found, now we know why your sig radius sucks!* - CCP are forum ****'s for removing a signature .00001 byte over the limit.* |
Pottsey
Gallente Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.01 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 01/02/2007 21:41:08 I was thinking more along the lines of a Tristan has 42m sig while the stealth Tristan also known as a Nemesis has 48 sig. It just seems crazy to me that a Stealth ship is less stealthy then the none stealth variation.
Right now itÆs more of a bomber then a Stealth Bomber. A plain old Tristan with a cloak is more Stealthy. If this situation happened in real life the R&D people behind the Nemesis would be thrown out as a laughing stock by the military for makeing the ship anything but stealthy.
Perhaps CCP should bring back the Stealth modules but make them Stealth bomber ships only. That or just lower the sig a little.
EDIT: Back to sig. I am used to ships with a sig so large that it doesnÆt really matter if it gets bigger. For Frigates how bad is a 59sig over a 48sig? Does that have a large impact in combat? What about 55 instead of 59? Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.01 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 01/02/2007 21:41:08 I was thinking more along the lines of a Tristan has 42m sig while the stealth Tristan also known as a Nemesis has 48 sig. It just seems crazy to me that a Stealth ship is less stealthy then the none stealth variation.
Right now itÆs more of a bomber then a Stealth Bomber. A plain old Tristan with a cloak is more Stealthy. If this situation happened in real life the R&D people behind the Nemesis would be thrown out as a laughing stock by the military for makeing the ship anything but stealthy.
Perhaps CCP should bring back the Stealth modules but make them Stealth bomber ships only. That or just lower the sig a little.
EDIT: Back to sig. I am used to ships with a sig so large that it doesnÆt really matter if it gets bigger. For Frigates how bad is a 59sig over a 48sig? Does that have a large impact in combat? What about 55 instead of 59?
You havn't seen some of the idea's to come out of the military's R&D have you?
It makes a huge difference tbh, unless you can get over about 6.1km/s... every sig rad point counts.
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