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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1869
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Posted - 2016.02.11 21:37:34 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Pix Severus wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Pix Severus wrote:Bumblefck wrote:With the new camera angles and settings, I get what I assume is pretty bad motion sickness - I really hope that they don't remove the old camera settings permanently. :( Same, and I'm fairly certain it's due to the reduced FOV. If anyone knows if it's possible to increase the FOV on the new camera, please let me know. Have you tried unchecking all of the camera options? I find that more or less (but emphasis on 'less', really) that brings things back to normal. CCP - acknowledge the problems this 'upgrade' causes, please! Thanks, turning off "dynamic field of view" helped, but I still get this nauseating, almost claustrophobic feeling with the new camera on, it's hard to explain. I really feel like CCP are just reinventing the wheel here, why can't they just leave the old camera as an option? They can't because the code is very old. So they had to write a new camera code, and instead of making a clone of the camera everybody knows and uses, they just had to leave their little footprint and make a completely new camera that works like sh*t and makes people motion sick. Then, instead of agreeing that nobody asked them that camera so better just clone the old one, they beg our feedback so we point at them what the **** is wrong with THEIR camera, and with any luck they may find a partial solution to the issues while grumbling at how delicate are some stomachs among the playerbase and the general inability of customers to understand the Psssshhhh. What they will not do, under no circunstance, is to clone the old camera with new code, and of course the old code will be gone no matter the what with the new camera.
Are you just fundamentally incapable of responding to anything CCP does with anything less than foaming-at-the-mouth hysterics?
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Jajuka Cirim
21
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Posted - 2016.02.11 21:49:10 -
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Zooming in first person is really quite a disappointment. Time for 4K skyboxes. |
Officer Pressly
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2016.02.11 21:54:21 -
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Take a step back, and realize that this isnt about how the camera works. That is for the feedback thread :) This is the concerned thread about the fact that we will in less than a month be stuck with a camera that lacks the functionality of the old camera. We need to inform the general eve population. I'm not against a new camera, but it needs to have the functionality of the old camera, before the old one gets ripped out of the game. |
Tamazaki
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:19:51 -
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Jajuka Cirim wrote:Zooming in first person is really quite a disappointment. Time for 4K skyboxes.
Yeah I noticed that o.O
I zoomed right back out again and tried to pretend I hadn't seen it! |
Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:38:16 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Good, the new camera is superior in literally every way. If you're still using the old camera after seeing what the new one can do you have serious issues.
Can't say that I am a fan of the new camera. Have better things to do than.. alt + shift + tab + ctrl + F8 + ... when all I want to do is get from point A to Point B.
All the gee whiz fancy pants crap is fine for frapping and what not. And yes, I do have serious issues with stupid. Cause you can't fix stupid, you can only mitigate the damage.
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:39:21 -
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Officer Pressly wrote:Take a step back, and realize that this isnt about how the camera works. That is for the feedback thread :) This is the concerned thread about the fact that we will in less than a month be stuck with a camera that lacks the functionality of the old camera. We need to inform the general eve population. I'm not against a new camera, but it needs to have the functionality of the old camera, before the old one gets ripped out of the game.
agree
Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never.
Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
805
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Posted - 2016.02.12 13:11:53 -
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Thanks for the info, OP. Good to know...and sucks at the same time.
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
187
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Posted - 2016.02.12 13:31:35 -
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Valthax Kelkore wrote:It's the Incarna bs all over again.
They have the option to go back to the now "legacy" map and "legacy" scanning techniques, I'm baffled as to why they cannot/will not do the same for this new awful camera. Are you ******* serious? You are actually going to say that changing the camera is equivalent to Incarna?
Now that I'm done throwing up, I'll simply ask all of you here why you aren't in the feedback threads for the new camera providing input as to potential changes instead of making yourselves look like whiney man-children in GD?
Having used the first iteration of the new camera and found it quite lacking, it's easy to see that the version on TQ has been changed considerably for the better based on player feedback. That would seem to indicate that the more feedback we provide, the better the new system will be.
Of course, I guess I'm forgetting that changing any game mechanic in any way whatsoever will kill the game dead. You know, just like it did all those other times!
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10750
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Posted - 2016.02.12 13:36:55 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote: Now that I'm done throwing up, I'll simply ask all of you here why you aren't in the feedback threads for the new camera providing input as to potential changes instead of making yourselves look like whiney man-children in GD?
Some of us did, now kindly disembark
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MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
187
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Posted - 2016.02.12 13:46:39 -
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Bumblefck wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote: Now that I'm done throwing up, I'll simply ask all of you here why you aren't in the feedback threads for the new camera providing input as to potential changes instead of making yourselves look like whiney man-children in GD?
Some of us did, now kindly disembark That's great to hear. My derogatory response was aimed at the people who haven't.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5038
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Posted - 2016.02.12 14:09:45 -
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CCP HEAR ME OVER YOUR ACCOUNTING BOOKS!
They will not listen, I know it.
The last thing you would like to add to your game is to disorient your players. Its easy with this new camera. Dont remove the old one. And if you must for technical reasons, make the orbit camera exactly like the old one. Cram into tactical camera everything else.
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
304
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Posted - 2016.02.12 14:44:32 -
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I guess March 9th will be the day I decide whether or not to cancel my subscription..? I do not, repeat, do not want to do that. The solution is simple: New code the old camera. Maybe boring and tedious, but simple nonetheless.
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Captain Campion
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
14
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Posted - 2016.02.12 14:49:08 -
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This absolutely must not happen unless the issues with the new camera are also resolved by then. |
ap0phis Kaundur
Ex Presidents. Complaints Department
0
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Posted - 2016.02.12 15:04:13 -
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Bumblefck wrote:With the new camera angles and settings, I get what I assume is pretty bad motion sickness - I really hope that they don't remove the old camera settings permanently. :(
Same here. I cant track where the target is going if u click on it. U have to use ALT key to track tartget... so, lets hope that they will not remove the old camera. |
Arlyn Nightblade
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2016.02.12 15:19:43 -
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I can't believe they would do that... I've tried the new camera and it also makes me motion sick, i also have much less "feel" of where i am spatially due to the way it operates.
Sure it "looks" nicer visually (like a movie, BSG, etc), but people should have the option to turn off bells and whistles for clean functionality if they choose.
I simply cannot get used to the camera, gave it a shot and disabled all the new features. I hope they hear the customer base and, even if they remove the "old" camera, give options to make the new camera look/feel/move like the old one.
Please CCP ;( |
Samir Duran Xadi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2016.02.12 15:20:51 -
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CCP you're giving motion sickness to your players, get your act together. |
Jajuka Cirim
24
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Posted - 2016.02.12 18:21:40 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Of course, I guess I'm forgetting that changing any game mechanic in any way whatsoever will kill the game dead. You know, just like it did all those other times! Apparently some people still can't find the undock button! Now they're just station traders, which is a bummer when you're stuck in Derelik. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4696
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Posted - 2016.02.12 18:46:03 -
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Disabling all the checkboxes from the new camera options makes it way more bearable, at least for the stupid movement/FOV stuff.
Specially disabling the "Ship speed offset" option makes the camera focus on the center of your ship lik the old one... can't help to but think why did they even implement that function rather than allow right button panning.
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Demica Diaz
SE-1
195
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Posted - 2016.02.12 19:02:37 -
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Wait, what? Why? I am all for extra camera options an all that jazz but what is wrong with current camera? Is there reason for change? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4696
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Posted - 2016.02.12 19:29:46 -
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Demica Diaz wrote:Wait, what? Why? I am all for extra camera options an all that jazz but what is wrong with current camera? Is there reason for change?
Old camera haves old code. Old code must be removed. CCP devs write new code and new camera instead of new code for old camera because *shiny* and !!CCP!!
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
717
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Posted - 2016.02.12 20:06:47 -
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I see nothing good from this. I really think that all the problems with the new camera should be resolved before they start throwing around a discontinued date.
I had to turn off dynamic field of view, because it seems to have a bug with occlusions. My screen, and anything in the shadow of a sun flickers badly. This happens in STATION too, why am I getting sun occlusion bugs inside ship hanger?
But worst of all, I can't find crap in space anymore. I used to be able to click on something in my overview and my ship would center it. My + button is gone and is not a first person button.
First person is great for setting up insta-undocks. I can make them much more accurately than before, so it's not a totally useless cosmetic feature, but realy, why did my other button have to go away?
Overall, I like the new camera interface, but there is some broken functionality, just like the new map.
Anyway, fix the problems with the new version THEN retire the old camera. Thank you.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1384
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Posted - 2016.02.12 20:07:57 -
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I have to seriously wonder if any of you complaining people even bothered looking at the camera options. You can disable and change things like FOV and zoom speed to make it nearly identical to the old camera in usability. Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
717
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Posted - 2016.02.12 20:10:06 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:I have to seriously wonder if any of you complaining people even bothered looking at the camera options. You can disable and change things like FOV and zoom speed to make it nearly identical to the old camera in usability. Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.
Yea, and if they are retiring the old camera, why would they not also retire those options to make the new camera like the old camera?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33295
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Posted - 2016.02.12 20:29:43 -
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the current disconnected tracking camera is okay if you're sitting in a structure, actually. absolute useless trash if you're a moving ship though.
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koenkoard
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.02.12 20:34:37 -
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Nay sayer here, iGÇÖm happy with the old camera, leave it the way it is, new camera SUCKS big time. DonGÇÖt fix whatGÇÖs not broken. New set up gives you not situational awareness, you canGÇÖt track stuff on the go (gates/planets/etc) canGÇÖt imagine roaming null sec/wh with only the new camera set up.
Stop f*&^*ng everything up CCP. Please. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33295
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Posted - 2016.02.12 20:34:54 -
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Probably has something to do with the statement that players will be allowed to see in space while they are docked in citadels.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2592
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Posted - 2016.02.12 20:50:11 -
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I really must be playing this game wrong because the only think I noticed was crazy shaking at some point. Rest felt the same as always, no motion sickness or anything close to that.
Oh well, hope you guys get some fix...
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
127
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Posted - 2016.02.12 21:06:54 -
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It's not motion sickness you're experiencing.
It's withdrawal symptoms from the SP needles.
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
375
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:53:01 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:I have to seriously wonder if any of you complaining people even bothered looking at the camera options. You can disable and change things like FOV and zoom speed to make it nearly identical to the old camera in usability. Stop complaining for the sake of complaining. I have to seriously wonder if you've bothered to read any of the complaints everyone has given, have even undocked and tried to use the thing or even know how to do anything combat related in EvE, or have taken a moment to consider that you aren't the center of the universe and the vast majority of players disagree with you and believe the camera is very bad. 13 pages and counting of negativity on the official feedback thread complete with reasons, suggested fixes, screenshots, video's and scenario's. I have to wonder if you think you're the only one who's tried unticking a couple camera options. I have to wonder if you think the world exists outside your own little bubble.
Have to wonder...
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Definate
State Protectorate Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.02.13 00:01:52 -
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please remember your core fans here. Give us the option on the use of the old camera. And the FPS view needs a right-click pan option or its useless..... |
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