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Posted - 2016.02.11 22:16:39 -
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baltec1 wrote:Chances of being killed in a freighter by gankers stands as less than 0.1%. Blimey, is it time for a round of "phantasy statistics" again? |
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:22:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its based off red freights record over 221,333 contracts spanning 2,786,739 gate jumps in highsec. That 0.1% is the number of failed contracts. I cannot remember any requirement for all of New Eden's freighter pilots to register their cargo, flight routes or number of jumps with Red Frog Freight (kudos to RFF by the way). The Frogs also have all sorts or rules - highly reasonable, mind you - about where they go and the freight value they carry, so I am fairly certain, without being able to produce the data to prove it, that the well oiled machine that is Red Frog has a lower than average number of failed contracts. I do not believe that 0.1% is a representative number. |
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:38:47 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:It represents the chance of losing a freighter if you fly it competently. "Competently" as in using scouts and/or webber support? That does happen, but I know for a fact that many RFF pilots fly AFK using autopilot. Oh, and they bleed like the rest of us when they are cut. |
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:43:36 -
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baltec1 wrote:If anything it can be argued that freighters are too safe along with every other activity in highsec. One can argue all sorts of things, like that shooting defenseless freighters is an expression of badly suppressed violent tendencies. That does not turn a personal opinion into factual truth. |
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:51:49 -
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baltec1 wrote:Highsec has become far too safe and rewarding. So you say. I disagree. I guess the two shall never meet, but fortunately New Eden is big enough to cater for different playstyles. |
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Posted - 2016.02.11 23:59:52 -
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baltec1 wrote:You are removing my playstyle. You mean I don't accept your playstyle being forced on me. |
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Posted - 2016.02.12 00:06:31 -
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baltec1 wrote:Right now I am the only one having someone elses playstyle forced upon me. Man, a ganker's life sure is tough. Sorry, I can't seem to find a clean hankie to offer... |
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Posted - 2016.02.13 19:59:53 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its already been shown that the chances of being ganked in a freighter or jump freighter stands at less than 0.1% out of over 2 million jumps. You keep repeating that. It has not been shown. You don't even have access to the data required to potentially show it. Red Frog Freight statistics do not become representative for all of New Eden simply by you repeating them over and over again. |
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Posted - 2016.02.13 20:12:45 -
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baltec1 wrote:Feel free to show me another data set gathered over a year and that covers over 2 million gate jumps. I don't have to. Since RFF can only provide data for their own freighter movements, which are by their very nature only a subset of all freighter movements in New Eden, *you* need to prove that the data is a meaningful representation. Since you would need to access the full data available -- which I somehow doubt CCP has allowed you to do -- to offer proof, you're in a bit of a pickle. |
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Posted - 2016.02.13 20:20:30 -
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baltec1 wrote:There is zero evidence any change is needed to freighter EHP. Replace "There is" with "I have" and you have made a significant step away from the bad habit of presenting your personal views as facts. I am certain that CCP has treasure chests full of data that made the resistance buff seem like a reasonable idea. |
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Posted - 2016.02.13 20:31:18 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:So if you want to work out roughly how many jumps in highsec each year total for haulers there might be, then calculate a sample size, at max it will be around 20,000 jumps needed for a high level of confidence. 2.8 million as a sample size is exceedingly good. That would be the case if the samples were not taken from an organization that has rules regarding maximum cargo value and other strict procedures - very reasonable, as I mentioned earlier. I would like to hear from CCP Quant or colleagues on this matter.
EDIT: Lena Lazair beat me to it. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:56:57 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Additionally the hypocrisy here is that you aren't requiring freighter pilots to be resourceful at all. No, they get handed everything they want on a silver platter. We don't see any heads on silver platters yet, as would be traditional, but do you hear us whining about it? Of course you don't. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 23:13:32 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:We have a 100% ship loss rate (without insurance unlike all other ship loss). You can call that "risk free" if you like because our losses are the same whether we succeed or not, but you know it's more than a little disingenous. This reminds me of the comedian who earlier stated that freighters would have a 100% survival rate if they only stayed docked. If gankers did not perform acts of aggression, their loss rate would be zero. Every ganker loss results from a deliberate decision - very different from the hauler side - so risk on the ganker side is a meaningless concept. In this completely unbalanced scenario, buffing hull resists as proposed by CCP Fozzie is a good thing, since it strengthens the side that has far less choice in the matter of highsec engagements. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 00:07:03 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Actually defending yourself is so overpowered that if you do it, you have better odds of getting in a real life car accident on the way home than you do of getting ganked. For your own sake better not bring real life into this. In real life, pirates, thieves and other asocial individuals are hunted down and locked away, their stolen assets siezed, if they threaten civilized society and the wellbeing of others, or simply because they disrupt commerce. In real life, there is absolutely nothing romantic or desirable about piracy and theft. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 12:02:54 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Just goes to show that it's the carebears who can't manage to separate their feelings from reality, like I've always said. Oh, you've said a lot over the course of this thread, alas, the substance is lacking. Randomly calling players liars or hypocrites, aggressively attacking their "blatantly dishonest rethoric" (snort) for no other reason than that they don't share your views just goes to show how little you care for civilized discourse. But just keep talking, statistically there is a chance you might say something worthwhile, one of these days. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:17:04 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:And since carebears are not real players and therefore all they are capable of is bad, sloppy, lazy play, they despise game balance.
Foaming at the mouth and thinking your opinion of other players matters... How precious. Go on, more, let's see if you can dig yourself even deeper into your little hole. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:33:28 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Anyone who starts out as an entitled, whiny, selfish little prick isn't useful to any game.
You're just parasites. Writes a ganker. A *ganker* of all people. Kid, you make me laugh so hard.
Ok, ISD or whoever is on janitor duty, please remove all our posts, because I know they don't further the discussion about the proposed changes, but I am sorry, I simply cannot stop laughing. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 18:57:06 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Someone who actually plays the game and interacts with other players, someone who creates content. You mean someone like me and my friends, who build many of the ships we fly (hence the industrialist and hauling activities), live in W-space, hunt there and in nullsec/lowsec, fighting people who can actually fight back, often outnumbered and outgunned and having a blast doing it? Or do you mean kids bragging about "creating content" by shooting defenseless freighters in highsec?
And even if somebody wants to play EVE as pure industrialists like some of our older members, or heck, even as Farmville in Space, your opinion of them still does not matter. Their game, their choice. They don't need gankers, but gankers need them. End of story. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 19:17:13 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Wrong as always. Like I said, keep digging and keep talking. We're having an excellent time following this thread and joking about it in team chat. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 20:19:21 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So now that player freedom isn't something to be lauded, but actively punished, I simply won't participate any longer. They've demonstrated in no uncertain terms that they no longer value me as a player, since they are insistent on nerfing my playstyle out of existence, so they won't have me as a customer either. Alright, let's finalize this. CCP, if you are reading this: I have just set aside a stack of 12 PLEX, and as soon as you guys show to me that the account holding the above character is deleted and that Kaarous Aldurald and all other characters tied to this account have been irretrievably biomassed, I will use these 12 PLEX to create a brand new account and pay for a year's worth of subscription. I have enough alts, but this is so worth it. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 12:48:19 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:This change is directly aimed at nerfing ganking by increasing the passive defense. Based on the information available in this thread that's just an unproven hypothesis. It would require reading either internal design documents or CCP Fozzie's mind to know that for sure. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 14:18:10 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Ylmar wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:This change is directly aimed at nerfing ganking by increasing the passive defense. Based on the information available in this thread that's just an unproven hypothesis. It would require reading either internal design documents or CCP Fozzie's mind to know that for sure. Or you can just read the OP where he actually says that this is an intended nerf to ganking. I read no such thing in the OP. There is a difference between a change having a known (and perhaps even welcome) balancing effect on ganking and a change being "directly aimed at nerfing ganking". |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 15:54:12 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Which still amounts to more than what they've done in game. Thank you for the continued free entertainment provided by you being butthurt. |
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Posted - 2016.02.22 18:41:15 -
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baltec1 wrote:This isn't a little more tank, its a vast amount more tank being added. This is the biggest nerf to ganking since the insurance nerf and a nerf which isn't doing to do the job its supposed to do. It is a welcome rebalance that strengthens freighters, no matter if that is the job it is supposed to do or just a side effect. |
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Posted - 2016.02.22 19:05:52 -
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baltec1 wrote:With these changes they are still a must have mod on most ships and break the balance on several ships that cant even fit them. Only if by "break the balance" you mean "shift the balance towards disadvantaged ships". Which, like I said, is a welcome rebalance. |
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Posted - 2016.02.22 19:16:13 -
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baltec1 wrote:I don't care how hard you try I'm not going to chase you down this shitposting road AG always tries. Don't worry, I am not trying hard at all. I welcome any rebalance that better protects defenseless ships from gankers. Obviously you and other gankers call this "shitposting". So what, nobody cares. |
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Posted - 2016.02.23 12:12:38 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:No you can't red freight disagrees. And you would know that... how? Last time I checked your signature stated that you are a member of Pandemic Legion, not Red Frog Freight. Best leave it to RFF to make official statements for their alliance, don't you think? |
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Posted - 2016.02.23 12:44:36 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:What's it like being that wrong? I don't know, you tell me. Until you hear an official statement from a Red Frog director, any sentence starting with "Red Frog says" is a moot point. |
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Posted - 2016.02.23 12:51:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:I get it from their annual reports. ...and we've completed a full circle once again. Now if only this thread still contained all original messages. |
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Posted - 2016.02.23 13:02:51 -
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baltec1 wrote:Then perhaps you should quit "forgetting" so I don't have to keep on repeating myself to you. Repetition sure is a well known rethorical device, but it does not generate truth. |
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Posted - 2016.02.23 13:18:41 -
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baltec1 wrote:That comes from the facts I posted, the ones you continue to desperately ignore while providing none of your own. Don't worry, I feel no desperation at all. I am quite content with the changes CCP Fozzie and team have planned. As for commenting on your personal interpretation of statistics, we've been through this before. Alas, the messages got "misplaced", and I have the feeling our follow-ups are not long for this world either. |
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Posted - 2016.02.23 16:15:51 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:That is not data, that is whining. Coming from the ganker side of the fence, that is a very funny statement. |
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Posted - 2016.02.23 18:15:27 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Red Frog's own annual reports are not good enough? The "creative" interpretation is not good enough, which has been explained several times before. |
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