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Liz Arran
Night Hawks Riders
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Posted - 2016.02.12 06:18:05 -
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I've been playing EVE Online since December 2010 and have stopped playing late 2012 a bit after the release of the Odyssey due to the lack of (what I felt) "content" in the releases of expansions. Cause they were nothing more than just glorified updates of just rebalances, fixes, and features that didn't change gameplay.
Now that I'm back since 2012 and took a look around eve it still feels the same, which is a good thing. But I still feel that its missing that feature that opens up a whole world or experience to explore. Something that would give me he same experience I had when I undocked, went to nullsec, did a mission, flew incursion, entered a wormhole, part of a 500 man fleet fight all for the first time. This is what I think in my opinion is needed in EVE. I guess what I was expecting was new incursion factions, more dynamic missions, a new weapon system, I guess just a new way to play eve.
I remember watching fanfest back in the day and what ever happened to this idea? I assume that the project got scraped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7oaz8mWug . Also I thought CCP would of released optional HD/4K texture packs by now cause I remember there was a 100+ page thread demanding for this.
But with all that said I think eve have came a long way since the time of EVE Online: Incarna. And now it is currently on the right track. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
460
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Posted - 2016.02.12 06:28:20 -
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Liz Arran wrote:I've been playing EVE Online since December 2010 and have stopped playing late 2012 a bit after the release of the Odyssey due to the lack of (what I felt) "content" in the releases of expansions. Cause they were nothing more than just glorified updates of just rebalances, fixes, and features that didn't change gameplay. Now that I'm back since 2012 and took a look around eve it still feels the same, which is a good thing. But I still feel that its missing that feature that opens up a whole world or experience to explore. Something that would give me he same experience I had when I undocked, went to nullsec, did a mission, flew incursion, entered a wormhole, part of a 500 man fleet fight all for the first time. This is what I think in my opinion is needed in EVE. I guess what I was expecting was new incursion factions, more dynamic missions, a new weapon system, I guess just a new way to play eve. I remember watching fanfest back in the day and what ever happened to this idea? I assume that the project got scraped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7oaz8mWug . Also I thought CCP would of released optional HD/4K texture packs by now cause I remember there was a 100+ page thread demanding for this. But with all that said I think eve have came a long way since the time of EVE Online: Incarna. And now it is currently on the right track. Why do people still call this game Eve?? It's now called World of Spaceships or WoSS.
If you're looking for a new experience I suggest farming SP for isk. Or you can whip out your credit card and charge your way to uberness in no time.
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Liz Arran
Night Hawks Riders
11
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Posted - 2016.02.12 06:31:53 -
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I see that the forum trolls are still rampant. |
Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2674
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Posted - 2016.02.12 06:32:29 -
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Wow, such bitter.
CCP has spent much of the last few years fixing bugs and improving gameplay. They are moving back into big features now.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Liz Arran
Night Hawks Riders
12
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Posted - 2016.02.12 06:37:42 -
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Zappity wrote:Wow, such bitter.
CCP has spent much of the last few years fixing bugs and improving gameplay. They are moving back into big features now.
I don't think I sounded bitter at all in my post, at least I didn't mean to. Just posting my genuine views on eve's state since I've been on last. |
Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2675
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Posted - 2016.02.12 06:38:54 -
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Liz Arran wrote:Zappity wrote:Wow, such bitter.
CCP has spent much of the last few years fixing bugs and improving gameplay. They are moving back into big features now. I don't think I sounded bitter at all in my post, at least I didn't mean to. Just posting my genuine views on eve's state since I've been on last. I was talking about Daniela's post :)
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2430
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Posted - 2016.02.12 07:44:45 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:[quote=Liz Arran]Or you can whip out your credit card and charge your way to uberness in no time.
i done this a few years ago, whipped out my credit card, bought a nice character, got slapped from the missus, died a million times because my max level proteus was no match for the snuffbox forces, best thing i ever done, made this game so much more enjoyable for me so stop crying and get over it.
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Lina Sovereign
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
3
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:00:33 -
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Daniela Doran wrote: Why do people still call this game Eve?? It's now called World of Spaceships or WoSS.
Pay2Win World of Spaceships
Fixed. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2430
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:03:41 -
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Lina Sovereign wrote:Daniela Doran wrote: Why do people still call this game Eve?? It's now called World of Spaceships or WoSS.
Pay2Win World of Spaceships Fixed.
what do you win? id like to hear a conclusion on what exactly you win by buying sp/characters/plex?
thxbye
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Lina Sovereign
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
3
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:18:15 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Lina Sovereign wrote:Daniela Doran wrote: Why do people still call this game Eve?? It's now called World of Spaceships or WoSS.
Pay2Win World of Spaceships Fixed. what do you win? id like to hear a conclusion on what exactly you win by buying sp/characters/plex? thxbye
This already has been discussed in others topics... you can consider it's not a P2W feature no problem, in my case I think it is... it's not a dig deal really. It just changes the way I'll play the game, focus on HighSec, I like it too. |
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2430
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:21:42 -
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soo many threads and soo many people preaching pay2win in all these threads but yet when asked whats pay2win they revert you to some other thread, seems legit
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Lina Sovereign
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
3
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:33:12 -
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Lan Wang wrote:seems legit
Forums search fonction is your friend, but you't can troll during this time is guess ? :) |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1914
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:39:11 -
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Lina Sovereign wrote:Lan Wang wrote:seems legit Forums search fonction is your friend, but you't can troll during this time is guess ? :) Forum search will yield more unsupported claims of P2W which can't get around the fact that the advantages being sold are the same ones that other players already have in droves and further came from those same other players giving them up. It's like saying eve is pay 2 win because you can buy ships on the market rather than having to mine and buy every BPO/BPC yourself.
Except the minerals would have to be given for free just by waiting I guess.
Eve is at worst pay to be on par stat wise in specific applications. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17464
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:43:49 -
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Liz Arran wrote:I've been playing EVE Online since December 2010 and have stopped playing late 2012 a bit after the release of the Odyssey due to the lack of (what I felt) "content" in the releases of expansions. Cause they were nothing more than just glorified updates of just rebalances, fixes, and features that didn't change gameplay. Now that I'm back since 2012 and took a look around eve it still feels the same, which is a good thing. But I still feel that its missing that feature that opens up a whole world or experience to explore. Something that would give me he same experience I had when I undocked, went to nullsec, did a mission, flew incursion, entered a wormhole, part of a 500 man fleet fight all for the first time. This is what I think in my opinion is needed in EVE. I guess what I was expecting was new incursion factions, more dynamic missions, a new weapon system, I guess just a new way to play eve. I remember watching fanfest back in the day and what ever happened to this idea? I assume that the project got scraped. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k7oaz8mWug . Also I thought CCP would of released optional HD/4K texture packs by now cause I remember there was a 100+ page thread demanding for this. But with all that said I think eve have came a long way since the time of EVE Online: Incarna. And now it is currently on the right track.
"I guess what I was expecting was new incursion factions,"
So.... like Drifters?
"new weapon system,"
So... like Command Destroyers?
"entered a wormhole,"
So... like new W-space?
" I guess just a new way to play eve"
So... like a power projection nerf and a new sov system? (Have you looked at the sov map lately?)
Also upcoming: Citadels
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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LordInvisible
Moira. Villore Accords
22
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:50:03 -
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Lan Wang wrote:soo many threads and soo many people preaching pay2win in all these threads but yet when asked whats pay2win they revert you to some other thread, seems legit
P2W in EvE means that you can buy all your shinies that give you an edge in a fight against same leved and skilled player.
With other words: you cannot win EvE, but every killmail you get is a win over a player in EvE. With P2W stuff, you can get this killmails easier, thus winning easier.
To further develop analogy: imagine two boxers in a ring: one paid extra bucks for having a bit better gloves which results in better hits to opponent. He did not cheat, he did not improve his stamina or tactics, just a tool to use his skills, stamina and tactics is better then opponents. That doesnt mean he won LIFE. Also opponent can come back in next fight.
Same is with EvE.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1914
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:55:26 -
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LordInvisible wrote:Lan Wang wrote:soo many threads and soo many people preaching pay2win in all these threads but yet when asked whats pay2win they revert you to some other thread, seems legit P2W in EvE means that you can buy all your shinies that give you an edge in a fight against same leved and skilled player. With other words: you cannot win EvE, but every killmail you get is a win over a player in EvE. With P2W stuff, you can get this killmails easier, thus winning easier. To further develop analogy: imagine two boxers in a ring: one paid extra bucks for having a bit better gloves which results in better hits to opponent. He did not cheat, he did not improve his stamina or tactics, just a tool to use his skills, stamina and tactics is better then opponents. That doesnt mean he won LIFE. Also opponent can come back in next fight. Same is with EvE. The thing is those same shinies are available to both players. There is no discrimination towards the boxer who bought better gloves, the other boxer just didn't chose to or perhaps couldn't afford to, but that's a reality that exists in game even without injectors or PLEX.
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LordInvisible
Moira. Villore Accords
24
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Posted - 2016.02.12 09:06:35 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:The thing is those same shinies are available to both players. There is no discrimination towards the boxer who bought better gloves, the other boxer just didn't chose to or perhaps couldn't afford to, but that's a reality that exists in game even without injectors or PLEX.
Dude, srsly?!
You just confirmed what I have written..
And no, something is grinding ISKies, whole other side is buying ISKies. Why should a player with bigger RL wallet have any better gear/skills in virtual world than me?
Thats the P2W situation. If PLEX and injectors wouldnt be, player couldnt legaly abuse his mothers CC to buy a titan.. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
148
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Posted - 2016.02.12 09:18:45 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:The thing is those same shinies are available to both players. There is no discrimination towards the boxer who bought better gloves, the other boxer just didn't chose to or perhaps couldn't afford to, ...
lol If we follow that logic, we can introduce gold ammo.
Quote:1000 units of Golden Phased Plasma S for only 100AUR!! Its not P2W because everyone can buy it! Its your fault if you dont use it! |
Kaivar Lancer
Placid Peace Corps
719
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Posted - 2016.02.12 09:27:18 -
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I like all these people complaining about "p2w".
It's a fact of life that those with more money and power are more likely to win. So deal with it and come up with appropriate counter-measures e.g. fight smarter, choose your battles better, gang up, whatever.
If we listen to all this whining, we might as well reduce PVP to a random coin-flip, utterly devoid of meaning and skill. But hey, it'll no longer be "p2w" and we'll all be happy. Or something. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1914
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Posted - 2016.02.12 09:31:12 -
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LordInvisible wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:The thing is those same shinies are available to both players. There is no discrimination towards the boxer who bought better gloves, the other boxer just didn't chose to or perhaps couldn't afford to, but that's a reality that exists in game even without injectors or PLEX.
Dude, srsly?! You just confirmed what I have written.. And no, something is grinding ISKies, whole other side is buying ISKies. Why should a player with bigger RL wallet have any better gear/skills in virtual world than me? Thats the P2W situation. If PLEX and injectors wouldnt be, player couldnt legaly abuse his mothers CC to buy a titan..
I'm guessing you somehow overlooked the statement "that's a reality that exists in game even without injectors or PLEX." Even if we removed those not everyone is going to have equal purchasing power via isk. Removing mom's CC doesn't create equality, so what's the next complaint when it's not even in the picture but the other guy still has better gloves?
Algarion Getz wrote:lol If we follow that logic, we can introduce gold ammo. Considering we're talking about things purchased for isk in game I don't see how pointing out people have different amounts of isk for items already in game means entirely different forms of currency should come into play for exclusive items.
In the case of gold ammo there is a discrimination since it has to come from extra cash, in the case of SP there isn't since every active account can produce it.
Algarion Getz wrote:Its not P2W because everyone can buy it! Its your fault if you dont use it! Said no one, nor was it even suggested. |
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Zappity
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
2679
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Posted - 2016.02.12 09:31:40 -
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Pay to Win refers to in-game advantages which can only be purchased with RL cash.
EVE does not have pay to win.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
805
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Posted - 2016.02.12 09:58:27 -
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^ Bingo. In MWO for instance, Hero Mechs and Mechbays can only be purchased with MC, which is an in game currency that can only be bought with real-world currency. That's P2W. Nothing in Eve so far beyond vanity items falls into this category.
In contrast, there are also other Mechs, modules, pilot skills, etc. that have both an MC option and a C-bill (normal in game currency, same as ISK is to us) option to buy, making them available to all players, whether you buy it by playing the game or paying out of pocket for more immediate access. That's not really the same thing as P2W, though you can once more pay for more immediate access for many of those said items.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4298
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Posted - 2016.02.12 10:32:11 -
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Trolling aside, anyone can have their own view on what constitues p2w.
However, at least three features set EVE apart from other games:
. Any item or service (like PLEX and SP injectors) is freely tradeable on the in-game market, which I bet is the best, most complex and realistic market of any game. If you know how to make ISK, you can have anything for free.
. In the core PVP activity (spaceship combat), numbers are a very effective counter to 'gear' and SP. There are no organized 1v1s or 5v5s where better equipment will almost guarantee you a win. Your opponent spent RL$ for faction modules and all LVL Vs? Just bring a friend and laugh while he dies.
. In-game scamming is allowed and encouraged. Rich kid bought fancy stuff with RL$? Just steal it! I bet someone will find a way to scam people for their SP, too.
TL;DR: Yes RL$ will buy you certain advantages in EVE, but you can't deny that the game is designed to allow skillful and clever players to nullify these advantages.
I would add that laughing at WOW-like players' reactions when this happens is one of the EVE community's favorite pastimes.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
119
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Posted - 2016.02.12 10:51:43 -
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Methinks there is a crowd that likes to exaggerate the importance and extent of their "skill" in actual game play. They, of course, have to claim Skill Points (for instance) aren't as important as "knowing how to play". So, switching on a web/scram combo then blobbing a passerby requires such extraordinary skill - it can even be done in a T1 dessie, so who needs skill points?
It's patently obvious this hot shot pilot doesn't have a clue as to the depth of this game's functionality, and if you limit yourself to one or two things, and say everything else is a waste of time, and not cool, well....yeah, they can be all kinds of uber skilled!
Conversely, when they do gang **** someone, they chalk that person's loss as lack of skill on their part. The only way to truly elevate oneself is to denigrate another...naturally.
Where these people get off claiming they've played this game I have no idea. I keep coming to this board looking for the sorts of posts from old discussing the game in great depth and detail, and I see it's now permanently filled with ... this.
Sad, really, if anything in EVE's history can be called "sad."
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4300
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:04:27 -
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Ibutho Inkosi wrote:I keep coming to this board looking for the sorts of posts from old discussing the game in great depth and detail, and I see it's now permanently filled with ... this. Try posting an interesting topic or question in the proper subforum (W&T, S&M, Market, Wormholes, even New Player Q&A) and you'll easily get deep and detailed discussions.
Happened to me 100% of the time.
If you just want to whine, then yes GD is the right place.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Josef Djugashvilis
3269
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:35:15 -
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Lan Wang wrote:soo many threads and soo many people preaching pay2win in all these threads but yet when asked whats pay2win they revert you to some other thread, seems legit
You know as well as I do that the term pay2win in Eve is shorthand for being able to pay real life cash to gain an advantage in terms of acquiring skill points.
By the logic that there is no 'win' in Eve, then 'gold ammo' would not be pay2win.
This is not a signature.
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Sneaky Little Bastard
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:40:39 -
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Zappity wrote:Pay to Win refers to in-game advantages which can only be purchased with RL cash.
EVE does not have pay to win.
Like Skill Extractors you mean ? |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2431
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:41:46 -
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Sneaky Little Bastard wrote:Zappity wrote:Pay to Win refers to in-game advantages which can only be purchased with RL cash.
EVE does not have pay to win. Like Skill Extractors you mean ?
no that would be a disadvantage
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
287
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Posted - 2016.02.12 11:46:30 -
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LordInvisible wrote:Lan Wang wrote:soo many threads and soo many people preaching pay2win in all these threads but yet when asked whats pay2win they revert you to some other thread, seems legit P2W in EvE means that you can buy all your shinies that give you an edge in a fight against same leved and skilled player. With other words: you cannot win EvE, but every killmail you get is a win over a player in EvE. With P2W stuff, you can get this killmails easier, thus winning easier. To further develop analogy: imagine two boxers in a ring: one paid extra bucks for having a bit better gloves which results in better hits to opponent. He did not cheat, he did not improve his stamina or tactics, just a tool to use his skills, stamina and tactics is better then opponents. That doesnt mean he won LIFE. Also opponent can come back in next fight. Same is with EvE.
wow, killmail. poor logi bros will never win. good thing i prefer EWAR (specifically damping) for whoring, gg. o7
Just Add Water
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Tokyo Drifter
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.12 12:15:40 -
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I am pretty sure the people crying about these new skill packets are hi-sec warriors and incursions runner who spent years doing level 4 before being able to hop in a pimp pirate BS. Now they no longer have anything to feel special beside being the laughing stock of the EvE community. |
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