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Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 10:57:50 -
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It has ruined the goal of those that where aiming for maximum skills doing it the old way.
But for most I doubt it has ruined the game. What's the point in having all the skills where you won't even use them all. Probably about a 1/3 of the skills I probably will never train or have any intention of training. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:01:31 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Admiral Mason wrote:NUBIARN wrote:incredibly he has astronautics science skill which I thought no more existed, be interesting if chribba verified this is a genuine API.
The guy did it all on stream. He's still streaming. Not gonna link it though because this guy seems so sketchy. (RMT) He is RMTing with very smart and well-thought method ccp can't retrace. I guess he makes roughly 100k per year, like Somer did once. RIP Eve btw
Well if he was smart enough to get away with it (not that I'm saying he has done anything outside the EULA) then it's unlikely he would be dumb enough to make himself the centre of attraction. |
Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:38:54 -
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Cometopappa wrote:I'm gaining extra sp a much cheaper way. Around 15 of my alts who don't need SP any more are just training spaceship command skils with 32 per/26 willpower and then extracting that SP to make injectors to go on my main :D
Meanwhile my main focuses training on skills my attributes are set to and injects mostly skills they are not.
Yeah, so negating the attribute system as it was originally intended to be used. In the process showing how useless the attribute system now is. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:42:47 -
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Dawny Star wrote:I'd really like to hear a Dev. viewpoint on this, a lot of Dev's are ex-players and I can't imagine this was what they had in mind for this service?
Some possible restrictions you could add to the service.
1. After 100 Mil SP, you can only extract or move your SP you cannot not inject more.
2. You can only inject a hard cap amount of SP per Month
Also, please let us nuke the injects skill books (if we desire) for skills we've stripped... there's still evidence I used to be able to mine on my character sheet!
1. Would have worked although maybe a slightly higher limit.
2. Would have still have created an issue, but it would have just taken longer for it to become apparent. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 11:51:01 -
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S'Way wrote:[quote=Dawny Star]
All adding limits now would do is cause more unsubs.
Yeah. it's too late now.
Not to mention it would be almost impossible if not impossible to undo.
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Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 12:33:26 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:I dare CCP to post in this thread and tell us that they're proud of this. Have the lessons of the past not been found here? M8? The top 0.1% of society will always do what they want because they can. Just remember you were the one selling your time/labour/product and they were the one buying. If it's a matter of opportunities you think have been unfair I recall noone being born with a silver spoon.
Gone are the days when characters were equal to start with.
RL values (those values aren't shared by everyone) have bleed into gaming. I guess it was inevitable as companies trade in the real world. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 13:08:16 -
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Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Avvy wrote: Gone are the days when characters were equal to start with.
Communist lies.
I'm not a communist, although I do think pure communism is the best system, but pure communism doesn't exist where humans are concerned because they are to easy to corrupt. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 15:27:13 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Where are all the players telling newbies, skill points do not matter? Now we realize, this was and is a lie.
Skill points have always mattered, how much they matter depends on the ability of the players involved.
But to have all the skills at maximum is a waste of a lot of sp.
I think the player of the character that is the subject of this thread, just did it to prove a point.
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Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 16:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Idea of a viable style of play is very different for many people, EVE have this advantage, that it allows to do many shenanigans, so having perfect skills, does not mean you will not have to carve your own history and experience. It means you're not creating any kind of history and your character does not reflect your experience, because the two have been completely decoupled. And again, it's not about viable play style, but about viable business models GÇö or in this case the way they're actively disrupting their own model. Quote:You remember the former EVE intro? You mean the one that was pretty much universally derided as being **** and that had very little to do with EVE compared to the ones that came before and after it? Yes. I remember it. It was ****.
History doesn't really matter, it's the present and looking to the future that counts. You can start to learn how to play at any point.
These style of games with the long skill training queues and slow progression were popular around 2003 but even then they were starting to become a bit less popular. In fact in some ways it still reminds me of those times. Another reason it was a niche game as this style of game still had its fans.
Seems that they are trying to modernise the game, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing, although I still think they should have had a cap so that the injectors would no longer work at a certain point, so as to protect their older customers sp levels. But it's too late for that now.
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Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 16:43:04 -
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Poddington Bare wrote:Cara Forelli wrote:Wouldn't it be funny if CCP suddenly put clone costs back in? Yes. Yes it would.
But, unlikely especially after all the fuss to get them removed. |
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Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 16:48:25 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
So, what will be next?
Hopefully the removal of attributes and attribute implants.
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Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:03:38 -
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Tippia wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:IT WAS ALWAYS OPTIONAL. No. Before, you always had to actually plan ahead and think about where you wanted to end up. Depending on the time required, it was also a good idea to consider whether everything would have changed by the time you got there. Now, you can ignore that part and just get whatever you want when you want to match whatever situation you're currently in. Now, it's optional; previously, since you couldn't skip time, it was not.
Unless you purchased a character from the character bazaar of course. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:20:26 -
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Tippia wrote:Avvy wrote:Unless you purchased a character from the character bazaar of course. No. The exact same rules applied, because what you got was a character, not a bunch of SP.
What you got was a character with a bunch of sp already trained by someone else. Plus you get to choose which character and how that sp is distributed.
So although you couldn't put the sp exactly where you wanted too, you could buy a character that closely matches what you wanted, so not really a great deal of difference. |
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Posted - 2016.02.14 17:43:02 -
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Tippia wrote:Avvy wrote:What you got was a character with a bunch of sp already trained by someone else GǪwhich means you had no control over the actual SP or its suitability to your current needs or its availability. All of it had to be planned ahead and grown organically to suit some assumed future state. It, like your own character, was the result of a long-term build history and a specific time in the history of the game. So pretty much entirely unlike the direct manipulation of SP we have now, where none of that is a factor any more. There is no longer any time that need to be spent, no plan that needs to be made, no historical state and future development that need to be accounted for. Just buy, apply, match. The entire process has become optional GÇö history and the flow of time has been lost.
Say I bought a character from the bazaar, I wouldn't buy one if it had the wrong skills trained.
So I'd buy one with suitable skill for what I had planned.
Alternatively buy skill injectors to a similar total sp value to that of what the bazaar character had and inject those and use them in much the same manner. End result not much different.
With the bazaar character, the previous history is irrelevant to me as it wasn't my history with the character. |
Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:25:08 -
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Jill Xelitras wrote:Deck Cadelanne wrote:Lan Wang wrote:PsiMin wrote:
CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W
yawn so ironbank is officiallly the strongest and most elite character in the game, undefeatable because he paid to win and nobody is as high ranked as him because thats what pay2win is right? its not winning its just epeen, nothing more, showing off how he has so much isk to be able to do pointless things He is not undefeatable. No one is. EDIT: My reaction was too harsh to the comment I was replying to. So I apologize and retract it. There is no reason to get upset, or even care, about Ironbank's stunt. Literally. You sir need to get your sarcasm detector realigned ... because it's way off. EDIT: I could have sworn the edit wasn't there when I hit quote. Funny.
The edit happened after post #170, so it probably wasn't. |
Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.14 20:23:51 -
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Reiisha wrote:Bellanea Rajanir wrote:Eh people. You are arguing game changed here. What if I have Skills to fly perfectly with Merlin? Does it make me worse than him in flying merlin? This amount of skillpoints isnt synonymous with anything what one could consider having fun. Its only a boasting that you have more ISK or SP than someone else, purely for recognition purposes. Ask someone who extracted SP because he did not needed them so much, how he is doing. Not the guy who injected everything there is to ISK sink and SP sink. I would like to see if he can do that again, just with his alt, and alts alt, so he can "win" even more. Things just are different, but not bad, just different. Skills are a core part of EVE's gameplay, as they are the primary way to teach you planning and patience. This feature just made clear that the people steering the game may not know the core values anymore.
I learnt planning and patience a long time before I started playing EVE.
Where skills from the skill queue are concerned it's not hard although your patience can be tested sometimes as they're time gated with ridiculously long times for a game.
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Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.15 12:38:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:So when this guy is primaried and podded again and again just because....that will mean what?
Keep in mind this player has spent the equivalent of $30,000 to get his 1 character to maxe in everything, but he'll die again and again to a small gang of characters with 1/10th his SP.
Unless he gangs up he is going to be everyone's favorite target.
I don't know. Does he ever undock? I don't mind him (or me if it was me) becoming New Eden's Most Wanted. That would be a kind of fun list to be on.
I doubt it was done as a playable character. I think it was done just because it could be.
I'd have done same if I had his kind of isk, just to prove a point. I'd been saying for sometime that I think there needed to be a hard cap to protect those high level sp characters. Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 12:50:56 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have.
Well I don't know what MMO you will be playing then as they're all going the same way.
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:10:39 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... Without the hard cap I knew there was going to be some kind of ****storm. There would be anyway. Now that everything is for sale for RL $, CCP has lost all integrity. First it was a hand, a kiss then a bit role play costumes but now anything anyone wants to pay for; they can have. i cant buy a Polaris with 99% resists across the board for rl money though, that would be real p2w For the pedant in the room: Everything a player can normally acquire through time or effort can be bought for real life cash. thats the thing though, time and effort is already made, nothing is conjured out of thin air
It's why they went the injector route, they wanted to keep it a player run market.
Look at it this way, CCP gave players the means it was the players that decided to use those means. So effectively it was the players decision.
If players hadn't of put sp injectors onto the market, there would have been none for sale. |
Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.15 13:45:16 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... And remember, CCP only allows players to redistribute earned SP with other characters, something that was allowed with character bazaar earlier. Now its just more convenient, and some SP are lost. Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:So although you couldn't put the sp exactly where you wanted to, you could buy a character that closely matches what you wanted, so not really a great deal of difference. Except for characters on the bazaar having a HISTORY and often a public set of skills that wouldn't have changed much and kill board with losses to check. Now, a "newbie" can do a fast turn around and hustle you into an expensive loss. Bring on the risk aversion ten-fold. Your excuse for CCP is wearing thin with repetition. SP destroyed -> SP farms are being grown as we speak.
I'm not sure if you're talking to Nana, me or yourself with those quotes. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:06:13 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... If it is not in your Bio ... its nowhere. Could it be? Are you starting to get it? "Know thy enemy" has flown out the window. Less free intel because the character could be something entirely different than he was before. That's bad for the game?
That's actually good for the game.
People keep talking about risk, but they try to avoid it by knowing what their target has. Now they will have to take a chance. |
Avvy
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:16:35 -
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embrel wrote:PsiMin wrote:Lathael wrote:This destroys a lot for me. Ouch.
Can someone do the math for me and tell me how much that costs?
Thx in advance *sigh* around 1.8trillon isk you can have a maxed char, CCP has destroyed this game as its now P2W, if you have the isk you can have max chars you win Eve when your character is maxed?
Only if that is the goal you set yourself. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:28:44 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I've sold 4 characters in my time in EVE. I was fine with 3 of them but I grew to regret one of them. I had something of an attachment to that character but I sold it because it was worth alot and I already had 4 other characters that could do the same things, and I wanted the isk to speed up some lvl 5 mission experiments I was conducting.
When i sold it, it was gone. NOW no such thing has to happen. You can drain a character of it's SP, and if you come to regret doing that, all you need to do is retrain it. All it cost you was a bit of time. CCP took something that was almost irreversible (I say almost because theoretically you could by the character back, but the owner would have to be willing to sell which might not be the case) and turned it into a renewable resource. Already, the alts I drained are training new SP for me to sell.
My old characters are in Doomheim, it seems a bad move now as I could of used the isk and extracted the sp for this one. But I don't really regret it as for me at the time I decided it was the right thing to do.
You sold a character and you regretted it, what's that got to do with your present character?
Are your characters like employees and you are playing at being their manager? And regret letting a good employee go?
You're talking about how you feel outside of the game, those kind of concequences don't matter in-game. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 15:58:42 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:... If it is not in your Bio ... its nowhere. Could it be? Are you starting to get it? "Know thy enemy" has flown out the window. Less free intel because the character could be something entirely different than he was before. That's bad for the game? Most of the players hide at the end of Null Sec pockets / pipes or in High Sec because they are risk adverse. By the nature of people; yes, it is bad for the game.
Do I understand you right you target those hiding? They would be hiding for a reason and if it's because they are easy targets then who's actually being risk adverse?
Edit:
But anyway, we are starting to move away from the topic of this thread. |
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Posted - 2016.02.15 16:54:51 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:
So we're saying people have more money then sense?
When people have much more money than they require, sense need not apply. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 00:03:30 -
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Studley Ramrod wrote:Skill injection fatigue, just a suggestion....
Those kinds of ideas are too late now.
Still I went from 12.5 million sp to 31 million sp.
But what I found as I'm only training core, frigate, destroyer, and cruiser (combat). Is that the skills I require to train now will take 2 sp injectors so I've reached the point where I prefer to keep the isk. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 16:24:54 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:stg slate wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Oh look an apologist for abusive corprate greed that preys on the gullible.
Wait what, making money is corporate greed? Stop being smelly hippy. Game makers don't prey on people; people can make own choice to pay for hobbies. Selling people fancy golf clubs not taking advantage people, some people like fancy clubs even when cheaper ones work fine. This isn't golf clubs for rich people (whatever a responsible person does with his or her money is their business), this is someone intentionally deciding to open a liquor store right next to an alcoholic's anonymous meeting house then pretending like they didn't know their were alcoholics nearby....
The only thing that makes sense to me with this post I'm replying to, is that sp injectors can be addictive.
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Posted - 2016.02.16 16:36:37 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Nana Skalski wrote: If you dont see pointlesness of that, do it. Frostys Virpio wrote: It will never be a necessity since there are 0 activity in the game that require the full skill set. For the full skill sheet, you're absolutely right. Hyperbole has its uses - usually involving standing out and mnemonics. My statement served its purpose. However, for more focused pursuits? I fully see maxing out a skill set in an instant having an effect on the game. A better skilled industrialist make more of a profit. So will said miner. The SP bar for recruitment will be raised. And for what it's worth, I don't think characters should be sold either. /shrug --Gadget
And if you don't meet their stands, so what, their loss. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 16:42:36 -
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stg slate wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote: And for what it's worth, I don't think characters should be sold either. /shrug --Gadget
To be honest, if they weren't sold then the skill injectors shouldn't exist either. Unfortunately the character bazaar has been a thing forever.
Well, I kind of agree. the character bazaar, should never have happened if they want sp to mean something. The fact the character bazaar was allowed to happen paved the way for sp injectors. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 16:51:13 -
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Neuntausend wrote:The Character Bazaar - even though I don't like it was not too bad. Character trading is going to happen anyway in an MMOG, whether it's allowed or not. So, I think it's better to allow it in a regulated, controlled fashion than to let it run wild on ebay.
Well then if people except the bazaar then they shouldn't have any problem with sp injectors.
Characters from the bazaar already tainted the purity of the sp tree. The fact it was an out of game process ment that most people didn't even notice. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 16:53:07 -
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Scott Dracov wrote:I hate this sh!#
Not even going to bother saying why because pretty much all of eve said no to this and CCP said: F@#$ You!
With the amount of sales of sp injectors, I'd say that it seems like a lot said yes to sp extractors/injectors.
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Posted - 2016.02.16 16:59:56 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Avvy wrote:Well then if people except the bazaar then they shouldn't have any problem with sp injectors.
Characters from the bazaar already tainted the purity of the sp tree. The fact it was an out of game process ment that most people didn't even notice. Enlighten us how you get a max skill char over the bazaar previous to SP trading.
You wouldn't as there were no max skill characters, if there was then it would have been possible. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:30:46 -
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Scott Dracov wrote: This kill the patient to heal them SP injector fiasco simply makes SP mandatory to have at level 5 in whatever your flying and make no mistake Corps and FC's will now be expecting you to be at level 5 in any ship that is FOTM right now and not in three months from now because everyone they are fighting could be or is at level 5 so that's the way it is now.
Not sure I'd want to join them anyway, as having sp doesn't necessarily make you a decent pilot. Those that think it does, won't be worth joining. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:39:36 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Everyone knew character trading was relatively common.
Not everyone, I realised much later on, after I'd see the figures.
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Posted - 2016.02.16 17:57:49 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:
And lets be honest, when you people are flying out there, does the majority truly give a crap about what skills your opponents have maxed out?
I wouldn't know what anyone has got, as I don't use 3rd party programs. don't even use Evemon. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:17:47 -
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Scott Dracov wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:....
So that means that a typical blob vs blob scenario goes something like this then: "Target that hurricane...no wait, he has maxed out all BC skills and medium projectiles and whatnot else, go for that other hurricane...he is a newbie scrub!".... On a personal level after spending a long time maxing out armor comps to 5 and waiting that time then being in a trial by fire and watching your ship take the full brunt of the enemies fleet being within a hair of exploding into hull... and then being saved at the last second by guardian reps and saying to yourself thank god I spent that time on those skills or I would be in a pod and then in a new pod... and now realizing that no one else has to wait like you did its all available right now if you pay for it. and the price you paid in time investment. the choices you made with your meager skill points for what you wanted to do... does not matter now as its all available... right now. that cheapens the whole experience in ways beyond description to the point of futility.
I don't really see it that way, but then I've sent loads of sp to Doomheim over the years.
Even if I had all the skills trained it wouldn't matter, as I said somewhere else, it's a sandbox the important part is using those skills. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:38:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Big Lynx wrote: Tell that the new instant gratification generation. Its like describing a rainbow to a blind man
They'll learn eventually (in game and out). They won't like it, but they'll learn.
That sounds more like a threat. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 18:47:43 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Avvy wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Big Lynx wrote: Tell that the new instant gratification generation. Its like describing a rainbow to a blind man
They'll learn eventually (in game and out). They won't like it, but they'll learn. That sounds more like a threat. It's a prediction that all of these people that don't understand why patience is a virtue (and seeking instant gratification leads to bad outcomes) will understand when they are older, because life (not me) will teach them. That's real life, and that's what I taught my children. EVE is a lot like that too.
I doubt life will teach me anything new.
But at the end of the day it's CCP that makes the decisions. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 21:22:12 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Demica Diaz wrote:Even though I am quite neutral about skill injecting feature. This makes me just tiny bit sad. Feels like something from EVE has lost. Wierd feeling. On the same token, imagine what a big deal it used to be to cross an ocean by boat. Then think about how you can cross it in hours by aircraft. If you had to get across an ocean, what would you prefer? But imagine if you had a boat ready with the host of concerns about it for crossing an ocean, and somebody gives you a plant ticket. Would that not take off the pressure and leave your faculties up for other matters, like what you are going to do when you get to the other side? Now that somebody is maxed out, it does not matter when somebody is maxed out. It's irrelevant, and Eve Online didn't implode. (and the server didn't crash either) Consider it a good thing. Carrying the analogy forward... While you can choose to slowboat across an ocean, to be competitive, one must choose the quickest route. Your competition will be. In the not so far future, SP-injected characters will be the expectation. --Gadget
With attributes and attribute implants removed and the training speed increase to at least compensate. That should help new players especially those that can't afford sp injectors.
If there is an sp-injected character expectation then that is the players that are enforcing such a thing.
CCP can give the tools to do things but if the players want to enforce restrictions then the players can't blame CCP.
If you're excluded from a corp. because of sp then find another one, chances are you might not like it there anyway (at least if it was me).
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Posted - 2016.02.16 23:32:06 -
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Pandora Bokks wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Avvy wrote:Well then if people except the bazaar then they shouldn't have any problem with sp injectors.
Characters from the bazaar already tainted the purity of the sp tree. The fact it was an out of game process ment that most people didn't even notice. Enlighten us how you get a max skill char over the bazaar previous to SP trading. AS soon as you explain to me exactly what a maxed character can do that an army of alt can't. Especially since with the current diminishing return of SP injection, you can have a "perfect" army for less than a "perfect" character. - He builds Marauders 1% quicker than my Indie alt and has access to 1 research agent more - also he can produce things that need astronautic engineering skills - He has higher shield resists on passive hardeners than my main and can jump in a titan, and his damage rapairs quicker with paste. Also his Cruise Missiles do higher damage and he uncloaks 1 sec faster. - He has connections with mining and distribution agents - he can modifiy buy orders at a range 5 jumps more than my Jita trader How will I ever be able to compete against such superhero? No point in trying, best to give up and leave.
How did you compete when you were new?
Chances are he probably won't even use it for those purposes. |
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Posted - 2016.02.16 23:39:34 -
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Pandora Bokks wrote:
Damn, forgot to put the sarcasm sign up
It's your portrait that threw me, you look so serious. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.02.17 21:43:07 -
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Dalketh wrote:I realize this was done as a joke (and the owner's need for attention) but it does make me sad.
Before this buying of skillpoints - a pilot hitting the max would have been admirable and something very very special.
Instead it is now a sad joke.
A pilot should never have hit the max as new skills would have been added.
Problem is they don't want to be adding skills just to extend the skill tree.
The skills have a long training time and there are a lot of skills, that's normally a sign that they want players to be different as in what skills they have trained.
Those that made it their goal to train all skills should realise that, that was never the intended purpose of the skill tree.
Which is probably why CCP didn't add a hard point in respect to sp injectors use. Although I did initially think they should, but the more I've thought about it I realise they did the right thing by not adding one. |
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