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Lidza
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:35:00 -
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Before all, many thanks for your time reading/replying to my post...
First question...
Why CCP allows to have more than one unique character?
Second question...
What are the main reasons to provide more than one character per account?
Third question...
Would CCP one day, remove the other 2 characters that are usually used for thief acts, scam, piracy and to hide the person and its main character?
But I really makes me wonder why we are able to use 3 chars instead of just one...
Because if a policy of just on char was placed and forced by CCP, then alot of problems with this game where Alternative chars doing **** would be solved!
On other hand...
Makes me wonder if the main reason of allowing ALT chars isn't only to show the World that this game has more users that the reality has. Based on the grounds that generally on each house would have two or more kids to play the game therefore its necessary to give them more than 1 char per account... allowing everyone to cheat and scam others.
Well many unanswered questions...
Take care
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:41:00 -
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Well in the award ceremony my main character got stuck. So I dusted of my alt and logged in with him and started to chat with my mates.
So I couldn¦t relly do anything but I still could play EVE __________ Capacitor research |
Khar'du
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:45:00 -
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Mine with main, haul with alt ? Farm with main, haul with alt ? Pvp with main, scout with alt ? Post with main, flame with alt
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:47:00 -
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Quote: Well in the award ceremony my main character got stuck. So I dusted of my alt and logged in with him and started to chat with my mates.
So I couldn¦t relly do anything but I still could play EVE
your version of play=use eve in a bad way,using it as a advanced chatt program.. go and play sims dammit you should be podded directly without passing go homeo
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:50:00 -
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Quote: Mine with main, haul with alt ? Farm with main, haul with alt ? Pvp with main, scout with alt ? Post with main, flame with alt
I dont think you can be logged with 2 characters of the main accout at the same time no?
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Blood Hawk
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:52:00 -
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Quote: Mine with main, haul with alt ? Farm with main, haul with alt ? Pvp with main, scout with alt ? Post with main, flame with alt
I think the original poster was reffering to each account having 3 chars on one account, not 2 accounts ... little difficult (risky) to be farming/mining with one char then docking and re-logging as an alt and hoping ur loot/ore is still sat in the roid belt!
Quote: Makes me wonder if the main reason of allowing ALT chars isn't only to show the World that this game has more users that the reality has
CCP gives us (or at least claims to) the number of "subscriptions" NOT number of total characters (as this would be misleading since there can be up to 3 chars in every subscribed account)
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dust Puppy on 10/12/2003 13:52:51
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Quote: Well in the award ceremony my main character got stuck. So I dusted of my alt and logged in with him and started to chat with my mates.
So I couldn¦t relly do anything but I still could play EVE
your version of play=use eve in a bad way,using it as a advanced chatt program.. go and play sims dammit you should be podded directly without passing go homeo
Well this was the old me. I used to sit in my station and wait for an instamission. That¦s when I realized that I could as well be playing minesweeper and run msn at the same time. So I decided to make a use of myself and started in this great pirate hunting corp. Now I¦m all better and sit in stations for more than I need to
Edit: btw I blame those damn agent missions __________ Capacitor research |
Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:54:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Dust Puppy on 10/12/2003 13:52:51
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Quote: Well in the award ceremony my main character got stuck. So I dusted of my alt and logged in with him and started to chat with my mates.
So I couldn¦t relly do anything but I still could play EVE
your version of play=use eve in a bad way,using it as a advanced chatt program.. go and play sims dammit you should be podded directly without passing go homeo
Well this was the old me. I used to sit in my station and wait for an instamission. That¦s when I realized that I could as well be playing minesweeper and run msn at the same time. So I decided to make a use of myself and started in this great pirate hunting corp. Now I¦m all better and sit in stations for more than I need to
Edit: btw I blame those damn agent missions
so basicly you sit just as mutch in a station as befor but know in a diffrent way
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:56:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Dust Puppy on 10/12/2003 13:52:51
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Quote: Well in the award ceremony my main character got stuck. So I dusted of my alt and logged in with him and started to chat with my mates.
So I couldn¦t relly do anything but I still could play EVE
your version of play=use eve in a bad way,using it as a advanced chatt program.. go and play sims dammit you should be podded directly without passing go homeo
Well this was the old me. I used to sit in my station and wait for an instamission. That¦s when I realized that I could as well be playing minesweeper and run msn at the same time. So I decided to make a use of myself and started in this great pirate hunting corp. Now I¦m all better and sit in stations for more than I need to
Edit: btw I blame those damn agent missions
so basicly you sit just as mutch in a station as befor but know in a diffrent way
pretty much yeah __________ Capacitor research |
Khar'du
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Posted - 2003.12.10 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Khar'du on 10/12/2003 13:59:21
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Quote: Mine with main, haul with alt ? Farm with main, haul with alt ? Pvp with main, scout with alt ? Post with main, flame with alt
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I think the original poster was reffering to each account having 3 chars on one account, not 2 accounts ... little difficult (risky) to be farming/mining with one char then docking and re-logging as an alt and hoping ur loot/ore is still sat in the roid belt!
I use this in deep 0.0 space, 30+ jumps from a station. Main farms or mines, alt haulks to secure can in nearby system. Rinse repeat. The risk of ore thieves this far out of the way is minimal. And we usually mine as a corp.
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Lidza
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Posted - 2003.12.10 15:39:00 -
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All replies make sense, but no one addresses the reason why we would need ALT chars
I understand that some people also does mining and use ALT chars to help (to be fair I also used). However isn't a valid reason because this is a multi-player game where cooperation is needed so to solve that issue its very easy... just join a corp or get a buddy that helps you without the need to relogon to get the ALT.
The reason that I've posted this is simple, huge numbers of the users use the ALT chars for the following:
Get into other corps, get info from their locations and things to feed its corp in war against the other. Get the ALT into other corps to steel everything if possible...and after that scrap the ALT to leave no trace Others use their ALT to do what they are afraid of doing with their own main character... all the above and/or pirating or even killing other player's pods... again not to leave trace when the things go hot with their ALT. Others use their ALT just to scam on the market/other channels, and again these ALT quickly disappear... Others use their ALT and create a corp with a unique member (them self) to declare wars to all others to attack on secure regions
I've made my point on ALT chars, I really don't see why we would need the second and third chars... and the only possible explanation is to do one of the above points and change the mask when the things go hot just to prevent losses... meanwhile the damage to others is done.
Worst, I can't understand why CCP promotes the existence of those chars per account and why they eyes are close when everyone recognizes that exists a potential problem with ALTs... and you can named it as an exploit.
Today its useless to recruit new members to corps because around 90% are ALTs and majority of them have as interest one of the above points... so... why no one seams interested to solve game problem and what are the reasons behind for compliancy to not act?
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.10 15:51:00 -
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We need alts so we can get stuff the easy way.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.12.10 15:55:00 -
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You can have a main combat type charater, and someone with high intelligence/memory be your personal manufaturer/researcher. Many CEOs are alts because they don't want their main character bogged down with that nasty charisma.
If I want to buy something and can't find it out in 0.0, I have an alt in empire space to check prices and locations.
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Khar'du
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Posted - 2003.12.10 16:25:00 -
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OK, as far as NEEDING alt's goes, you're right.
Any other player (if so skilled) could do what my alt does. However, alts can play a role in role-play communities, to perform purely RP functions (minister of decadence or somethin').
thought about that yet ?
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2003.12.10 16:32:00 -
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after much debate i got a second account.
goes against my morales but if you want to be one up on the people who are already one up it makes thing 2x faster.
incedently i had to do the same thing as chaos in that making a copied dir for the alt account as it wasnt liking my cache and prefs for the main one..
anyone know what ill have to do on patch if it dosent specify a CCP directory and auto patches it ? "Teh lord of Nonni"
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Luxer
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Posted - 2003.12.10 16:53:00 -
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You could try switching the foldernames. _________________ Do unto others before they do unto you. |
Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.12.10 17:55:00 -
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From a practical standpoint, other than the previously mentioned abilities, having alts lets you do things like be in two places at once. Many times same-account alts are good for holding down the fort at a corp shop where trades are needed to be made while you're main is off 30 jumps away.
You can also use the alt as an extra checking account, maybe for separating corp funds (not in a corp theft kind of way ). You could put buy and sell orders up on your alt since you have to do it by person rather than being able to do it as a corp. It keeps your main's wallet from flashing constantly if you have a lot on the market.
From an rp perspective, it gives you the freedom to explore the game from different race and faction perspectives. You can get into a different line of work without having to lose everything you did before on the previous character. It would not be fun if you spent 3 months becoming an Amarr fighter and have to delete the character because you wanted to try your hand at being a Gallente politician.
Although it does present the ability engage in some more underhanded business practices, it does have genuine place in the game. There have been many suggestions on how to reduce the misuse of this ability but overall it's a good ability to have.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Mon Palae
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Posted - 2003.12.10 18:25:00 -
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Quote: Although it does present the ability engage in some more underhanded business practices, it does have genuine place in the game. There have been many suggestions on how to reduce the misuse of this ability but overall it's a good ability to have.
I think you are understating the issue. I'd like to see the possible suggestions for reducing misues of ALTS. In my view all of the legitimate uses you listed for an ALT, while nice, take some of the point away from the. You should have to live with your character where and how he/she is. As for using an ALT to explore the game in a different way you cannot offline train more than one character. As such exploring a different route in the game with a ALT is not very practical.
In practice I agree with the OP and feel ALTS are FAR overused to skimp, cheat or otherwise break the overall game mechanics. Worried abuot being a pirate and not being able to visit Empire space to sell your loot? No need to worry. Create an ALT. Now the pirate doesn't have to live with his decisions as he/she can get the best of both worlds. Same goes fro all the rest. Scouting, trading and so on. Part of the point of the game is living with the decisions you make and ALTs almost completely defeat that purpose.
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Johnathan Roark
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Posted - 2003.12.10 18:40:00 -
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I leave my alt in a station to conduct trades (I sometime Spam the trade Channel). He is untrained. This allows me to move arround in eve without having to fly 50+ jumps to make a trade. ------------------------------------- Quantum Industries
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Val Amon
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Posted - 2003.12.10 19:34:00 -
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An alt afk hauls bistot cause when he dies who cares, while my main char stays way out in 0.0 to mine and issue ***** slaps to npcs. market checking too. Or have your favorite suicidal alt at the bottleneck you always go through. If there is someone who likes to kill people, log with alt wait at JIP for others then warp to gate with small weapons firing and hopefully big mean pirate guy targets someone else since you only have 1 small gun or 2 if you actually put time into training skills. Is it effective, no it sure is fun though. _ _ How many pilots does it take to wire a Flux Capacitor? 3, 1 to wire it and 2 to talk about how the old one was better. |
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.12.10 19:51:00 -
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I use one alt to move goods in and out of empire space & to sell stuff on trade since I can't do it myself.
I use the other to hang out with newbies, teach them how to play, make nice little frigates for them, etc., another thing I can't do with my main.
it's a role-playing game and some people want to play more than one role. no reason to stop them.
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Riffix
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Posted - 2003.12.10 20:40:00 -
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Marcus Grisbius and Mon Palae made the most sense so far...
This is a ROLE - PLAYING - GAME. At the heart of any role-playing game are characters that players can use to play different roles. Why do we have multiple characters? Because it would be criminal to create a role-playing game and give players the ability to only play one role.
The problem here stems from the fact that in the end the same person controls the different characters. People create multiple characters who, as far as the Eve world is concerned, have no connection or business with eachother and then use them together to whatever end they see fit even if it makes no sense or would be realistically impossible if the two characters weren't being played by the same person.
Some people would call this bad role-playing. Other people would call this cheating.
The sad part is, there is no good way to fix this because of a fundamental problem with 2 parts:
1) There is no good way to simultaneously limit what a person can do with their alt and give the alt character all the freedom any character in the world should have.
2) People will do whatever they possibly can to ________ .
We are fortunate that the designers of Eve created a game where you have so much choice in your role-playing experience. Unfortunately, this choice is more often abused.
The bottom line is if everyone role-played the game many problems like this would not exist. But they don't, and as far as anyone can tell, they never will.
"Lead, follow, or get the #@$@#$ out of the way" |
Igwilve
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Posted - 2003.12.10 23:34:00 -
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I use my alts. All three have trained skills, and all three are very useful to me. They all work for one corp, all performing similar but distinct tasks that the others can't do.
I would be very annoyd if my alts were removed, as my gameplay style requires that I have all 3.
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Constantina
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Posted - 2003.12.11 01:35:00 -
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One thing could be done to so that people would be able to see if players are using alts, if it where possible to see if players are using the character that has the most skillpoints on theyre account. Like I have 1 main character and he has some kind of signal or collor that would show that this where my highest trained character. Or just something as a number. nr 1 highst skillpoint, 2 med, 3 low. this could help people when they are letting others join theyre corp and things like that. Well I think you get where I¦m going with this :)
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.12.11 02:49:00 -
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I don't mind alt's, unless they start bothering me somewhere demanding I come fight their velators and reapers because they're bored with their main char.
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.12.11 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mynobe Soletae on 11/12/2003 04:50:48
The argument for alts is that they're useful for a number of valid, non-scamming purposes.
The argument against alts is that so many people use them to scam and grief.
Problem is that most griefers, scammers, etc. don't use alts, they use different accounts. I know I would! If I get banned, hopefully just the second account gets banned, my main is on a different account, unaffected. Seriously, if I'm making billions ISK that I can then sell on ebay for $$, I can well affort a few additional accounts, to make tracking things harder.
So, deleting everyone's alt will NOT solve the problem. So they may as well leave them for people with legitimate uses, basically.
With seeing people's alt points: same deal. A scammer would use a different account simply so that no one can figure out who his main is. A lot of corps already ask for screenshots of the logon screen, and it ain't doing them a bit of good, since scammers have a really nice "I'm a newbie, I only have this one character, look!" picture on their separate scamming account.
Another thing: the biggest fear with MMORPG's is that of losing your character. Newbie sees he can only make one character, and thinks "Hey, I have to delete this, lose all my work so far, just to try something new? What if I wanna go back to the old character? This sucks!" and they don't buy the game.
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Riffix
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Posted - 2003.12.11 17:50:00 -
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Another thing: the biggest fear with MMORPG's is that of losing your character. Newbie sees he can only make one character, and thinks "Hey, I have to delete this, lose all my work so far, just to try something new? What if I wanna go back to the old character? This sucks!" and they don't buy the game.
Like I said, criminal
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