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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.02.03 13:13:00 -
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*LISTEN!!*
This is NOT a thread about the recent allegations so please dont post about them.
What I am interested in is hearing what the eve comunity thinks would be an appropriate method to prevent possible in game interferance from anyone with higher level access. Like it or not GM's and DEV's play the game and I personally am more than happy with that. Some however seem to think that they should not be in the game at all.
My opinion on how to handle the possibility of interferance is one of damage limitation. IMO the only real way that interferance could be done on a long term scale is with BPO's. The right BPO is just a financial atom bomb and can give a massive advantage to the right side. Put against such things as the faction fitted rattlesnake that was spawned and it dwarfs it in comparison. Ships can be lost but BPO's continue to make shed loads of isk pretty much for ever, albiet with changing amounts of profitability due to ship changes etc. Chenge the BPO methadology and you change the ability to make significant long term effects on the game.
Anyways thats my uninformed platform :D, what do the rest of you think is the best method of preventing accusations however baseless they may or may not be, and make the game more transparant in that respect?
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The Pointless
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.03 13:33:00 -
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Short of kicking all the Devs and GMs out - that's a bit draconian in my opinion - what can you do?
I mean, they are within their rights to play their own game, why should they not be allowed to play with their own creation?
(I've never heard anyone get so political about this in any game - including Guild Wars, which I play alongside EVE. GW Devs play their own game all the time, and nobody give a flying ...)
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.03 13:36:00 -
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There is no way, they shoulod be free to playt he game as any player can, without any limitations that normal players do not have.
So that leaves nothing but trust, and checking whatever can be checked to enforce internal piolicies (that do exist, obviously, CCP are not retarded you know)
Oh, and is it spamtime again today ?
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.03 13:41:00 -
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We know it sucks and we've been waiting forever for ccp to fix it.
Looks like finally it's going in the right direction with invention, I haven't tried after the disapoinment after the kali patch.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2007.02.03 13:47:00 -
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The true value of tec 2 BPOs in alliance hand is not the ISK it makes. ISK never is a problem for any dedicated and smart player. The true advantage is that you can build your stuff where you need it. The big production in BoB happens in NOL-. Now look up the map and see how far NOL- is from Jita. Then imagine that a few hundred of players dont have to travel that distance once a week. Sum that time up (in hours) and take it times 40 and you get a number that tells you how many million ISK the players in a alliance can (can!) make simply from the saved time.
Invention did not solve this issue. There are no R&D agents anywhere in 0.0 and hence an 0.0 alliance has to go with tec 2 BPOs.
You further imply that tec 2 holder in alliances sell their stuff on the open market. At least the successfull parties in the map dont. They give it to their players to get an advantage on the battle field. They are not vulnerable to short supply on the open market. Here invetion failed again. The whole process is way to complicated that you simply can start to build the stuff that is on high demand. And once again it happens in empire where the interesting parties simply dont want to go.
The 2nd big advantage of ISD members or Devs in your ranks is the ability to find out who is who's alt. The only way to counter this would be to give anybody the ability to do the same. At least in the EU you may get legal problems with that. I have no problem with that for myself but a lot ppl do.
Case No. 3, the tip form Aurora, dont really got a impact of the gameplay of many. Nobody is going to use that tec 2 stabber in combat. And the items given out and sold afterward may sum up to a total of 10B. Looking at my wallet I dont bother with some ppl getting a few billion for free.
Leaked information about upcomming changes are no problem at all in my eyes. Go to the fanfest and you can learn anything a dev would know. CCP keeps us informed about changes. You just have to read the forum and go to Sisi and open your eyes. --
Number of pilots that logged while I scrambled, bubbles or shooten them: 9.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.02.03 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 03/02/2007 13:48:43
Originally by: Blitz'Krieg *LISTEN!!*
This is NOT a thread about the recent allegations so please dont post about them.
What I am interested in is hearing what the eve comunity thinks would be an appropriate method to prevent possible in game interferance from anyone with higher level access. Like it or not GM's and DEV's play the game and I personally am more than happy with that. Some however seem to think that they should not be in the game at all.
My opinion on how to handle the possibility of interferance is one of damage limitation. IMO the only real way that interferance could be done on a long term scale is with BPO's. The right BPO is just a financial atom bomb and can give a massive advantage to the right side. Put against such things as the faction fitted rattlesnake that was spawned and it dwarfs it in comparison. Ships can be lost but BPO's continue to make shed loads of isk pretty much for ever, albiet with changing amounts of profitability due to ship changes etc. Chenge the BPO methadology and you change the ability to make significant long term effects on the game.
Anyways thats my uninformed platform :D, what do the rest of you think is the best method of preventing accusations however baseless they may or may not be, and make the game more transparant in that respect?
Now you listen!
1. This topic have been posted a billion time. And been locked just as many. Can you please leave the topic! 2. I dont want to play a game the devs cant play itself! How the hell should they know how to help, fix, improve and add stuff if they cant play the game???
So can you please go play the bloody game???
ADDED: And YES! This also includes the GMs and the Mods. They have to play the game too, to better help us!
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Topaz Skydiver
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Posted - 2007.02.03 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 03/02/2007 14:11:51 They need clear responsibilities like who would be responsible, if tech-2 BPOs were entering the game in an irregular way and it stayed unnoticed for several months. And they should keep track of all dev and ISD related player accounts. If the employees know that someone is in charge to check that everything is done correct, someone who has easy access to all the data he needs to see, if something fishy is going on, then they chance that someone abuses his power is low.
( Btw. currently I don't believe that something bad has happened, until Kieron has stated otherwise. I was more generally speaking. )
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Chronus26
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.03 14:18:00 -
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Hypotheticaly speaking, I highly doubt anybody with the availible access would be able to manipulate the T2 BPO system without being noticed. T2 BPOs are seeded in a comparitivly small quantity, now, I have no knowlage of what goes on within CCP, but I would imagine that the distribution of T2 BPOs would be the subject of regular review in order to plan for further tweaks and improvments to the system. I would say this would have become of increasing importance of late during the development of Invention. Since T2 BPOs exist in such a small and finite quantity, any 'extras' would quickly show up on the radar and no doubt be investigated.
Please note that I base my oppinions entirly on my own observations and assumptions and have no real understanding of the internal processes of the game and the workings of CCP.
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Terrak2
GalacTECH Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.02.03 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless (I've never heard anyone get so political about this in any game - including Guild Wars, which I play alongside EVE. GW Devs play their own game all the time, and nobody give a flying ...)
Guild Wars blows, that's why nobody cares if the devs play.
I'm hard to come by like a straight guy workin' at Starbucks.
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.03 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 03/02/2007 13:43:29 There is no way, they should be free to play the game as any player can, without any limitations that normal players do not have.When a dev get onto that normal account, he should be a normal player, just with an eye for possible improvement of the playing experience.
apparently that thing dont work.
Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.03 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Blitz'Krieg What I am interested in is hearing what the eve comunity thinks would be an appropriate method to prevent possible in game interferance from anyone with higher level access.
You can't.
At the end of the day you have to weigh the effectiveness of controls up against the cost of implementing them.
For a control to be 100% effective in this environment it would take an obscene amount of manual work to ensure (and who polices the police to make sure they rent corrupt?!). Hence, as always, an organizatin is forced to fall back on trust.
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Jelek Coro
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.03 14:49:00 -
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The only problem exists in peoples conspiracy inclined minds.
Plenty of sa***uards exist.
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Serathu
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.03 15:01:00 -
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The discussion on these lines has been locked pending further information from kieron and I ask that you are patient until this time.
May I remind you all that reopening such discussions is against the forum rules and could earn you a forum warning or ban. Please desist.
Thank you!
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