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vr0p
Moonshine Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.19 16:51:28 -
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I'm sure this must have been discussed but I can't find any trace of it...
From what I understand, outposts will be phased out over the year as the citadel system solidifies. But what about the history associated with some of these places that have stood for years? And some of them stand as monuments to players who have lost their lives, or represent colossal struggles and devious schemes. It just seems like the history that players have created is about to have a chapter erased... |
stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
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Posted - 2016.02.19 16:59:01 -
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vr0p wrote:I'm sure this must have been discussed but I can't find any trace of it...
From what I understand, outposts will be phased out over the year as the citadel system solidifies. But what about the history associated with some of these places that have stood for years? And some of them stand as monuments to players who have lost their lives, or represent colossal struggles and devious schemes. It just seems like the history that players have created is about to have a chapter erased...
The last thing we need to do is impede game changes because someone feels nostalgic. |
Wolfgang Jannesen
BRETHREN MOONS
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:10:59 -
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Gotta agree with the above poster here, EvE isn't a game about reliving the past, its a game about paving new futures and inevitably large sections of eve's previous player activity dies with it.
I say bring on the new citadels and create more history |
vr0p
Moonshine Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:14:48 -
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I'm not saying that outposts must be preserved, but perhaps some acknowledgement of notable ones via monuments or lore writeups or artwork or something. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:16:07 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Gotta agree with the above poster here, EvE isn't a game about reliving the past, its a game about paving new futures and inevitably large sections of eve's previous player activity dies with it.
I say bring on the new citadels and create more history
More history to be forgotten as soon as the next new thing comes alone? That sounds like a lesson in futility to me.
Preserving (in some fashion) the history of the game and maintaining links to it's awesome past isn't nostalgia, it's proof the EVE is a living thing that has touched the lives of hundreds of thousands of real people.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9946
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:17:03 -
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There is already a monument to EVE players. All of them.
You have to go to Iceland to see it, but whatever. It beats putting the brakes on game development.
Mr Epeen
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stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:27:47 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: More history to be forgotten as soon as the next new thing comes alone? That sounds like a lesson in futility to me.
Preserving (in some fashion) the history of the game and maintaining links to it's awesome past isn't nostalgia, it's proof the EVE is a living thing that has touched the lives of hundreds of thousands of real people.
It's... a game. Are you high?
1000x more people in this world have played Euchre than EVE. We don't have monuments to Euchre IRL because that would be ridiculously stupid. We also don't talk about how Euchre 'touched the lives of millions of people'.
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Wolfgang Jannesen
BRETHREN MOONS
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:28:51 -
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I just view this as phenomenally unimportant, if you want to erect a monument eject a mobile depot |
Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.19 17:35:34 -
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Take screenshot...post it on Reddit, it will be immortalized.
Like the old Maller, awful looking, but there's still traces of it on the web...and always will be
It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
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Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
219
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Posted - 2016.02.19 18:06:19 -
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Converting Outposts to Large Collidable Ojects should be an easy task. Just like Steve, they could sit still and do no harm (by themselves). As long as the assets (model, shaders) remain in the game (unlike Jove ships etc.), it's be no big deal to keep them where they are now. Minus any kind of functionality.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5448
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Posted - 2016.02.19 19:13:39 -
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IF the memory serves them (players) right, they will update the "monuments". Its players role to remember their comrades. There is no CCP dev that will go for you renaming and reinstating everything, because the old system have to be phased out.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.02.19 19:37:44 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:There is already a monument to EVE players. All of them. You have to go to Iceland to see it, but whatever. It beats putting the brakes on game development. Mr Epeen
One of your problems is that you jump to conclusions. You think that someone is trying to "put the breaks on game development". The OP even clarified by saying :
vr0p wrote:I'm not saying that outposts must be preserved, but perhaps some acknowledgement of notable ones via monuments or lore writeups or artwork or something.
How is that unreasonable?
Remembering the exploits and achievements of other players (some of whom may not play anymore, or in specific case my even be deceased) is not putting the brakes on anything, it's simply a small token of appreciation to remember the real life people who we've played with and against. People who had a concrete impact on this player driven game we play.
I understand you don't value such things, but others of us do. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.02.19 19:46:59 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I understand you don't value such things, but others of us do.
Then do something about it. Be proactive instead of whiny. Set up a free website. Call it 'My completely, for realz, unbiased EVE history' and go nuts.
Be the EVE advocate that you have to date painted yourself as but never actually showed evidence of.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5448
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Posted - 2016.02.19 19:54:41 -
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I would gladly read history book written from a "go nuts" perspective.
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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments Second Empire.
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Posted - 2016.02.19 19:58:24 -
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If nullsec player-built stations do eventually get 100% removed, things like a beacon commemorating important/historical stations like 9UY4-H and 5P-AIP wouldn't be bad.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.02.19 20:54:10 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: I understand you don't value such things, but others of us do.
Then do something about it. Be proactive instead of whiny. Set up a free website. Call it 'My completely, for realz, unbiased EVE history' and go nuts. Be the EVE advocate that you have to date painted yourself as but never actually showed evidence of. Mr Epeen
If CCP will let me (or anyone else) in some way place in game monuments (with approval, like logos maybe?) to commemorate important things in places where they won't if they don't have the time, I'd be happy to help if it will lesson some of the strain on whatever team this impacts (the team that handles lore maybe?).
I don't see why the idea of a small write up in some places , or a beacon is such a big deal. Again, no one is asking for a halt to any development, just perhaps a small token towards memorable events and people. Like I said, I know that means nothing to you, but it does to others. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5747
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Posted - 2016.02.19 21:01:31 -
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vr0p wrote:I'm sure this must have been discussed but I can't find any trace of it...
From what I understand, outposts will be phased out over the year as the citadel system solidifies. But what about the history associated with some of these places that have stood for years? And some of them stand as monuments to players who have lost their lives, or represent colossal struggles and devious schemes. It just seems like the history that players have created is about to have a chapter erased... Do you know what the abandoned station in Isanamo commemorates? |
vr0p
Moonshine Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.19 21:24:11 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote: Do you know what the abandoned station in Isanamo commemorates?
Nope
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5747
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Posted - 2016.02.19 22:57:51 -
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vr0p wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote: Do you know what the abandoned station in Isanamo commemorates?
Nope Exactly my point. [I believe it was a prop for a player event in the early days of EVE. ]
Someday few will remember POS and outposts either (except perhaps some CCP dev waking in a cold sweat from a coding nightmare).
Heck, NASA doesn't even have the original moon-landing video. They recorded over it. Now that's a loss. |
vr0p
Moonshine Industries
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Posted - 2016.02.19 23:14:04 -
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If you don't know what it is, why do you assign the attribute of commemoration to it? |
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2016.02.19 23:19:10 -
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ccp might gives us tools to make our own monuments
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Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2990
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Posted - 2016.02.19 23:39:15 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: If CCP will let me (or anyone else) in some way place in game monuments (with approval, like logos maybe?) to commemorate important things in places where they won't if they don't have the time, I'd be happy to help if it will lesson some of the strain on whatever team this impacts (the team that handles lore maybe?).
I don't see why the idea of a small write up in some places , or a beacon is such a big deal. Again, no one is asking for a halt to any development, just perhaps a small token towards memorable events and people. Like I said, I know that means nothing to you, but it does to others.
You could always put a Citadel up in the same place and name it appropriately. Just you know, a stray thought there and all. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1393
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Posted - 2016.02.20 00:04:56 -
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From the moment all functionality has been taken over by new structures all outposts should become permanently vulnerable to attack. The owners can choose to defend them and repair them if they get damaged, but if they are destroyed they are gone forever. In their place will then appear a wreck of the old outpost that will serve as a permanent monument to olden times.
At the very least a beacon or something but I kinda agree with the OP, outposts have been long thing of EVE history. Once they disappear, they should go in style.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
642
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Posted - 2016.02.20 03:53:33 -
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stg slate wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: More history to be forgotten as soon as the next new thing comes alone? That sounds like a lesson in futility to me.
Preserving (in some fashion) the history of the game and maintaining links to it's awesome past isn't nostalgia, it's proof the EVE is a living thing that has touched the lives of hundreds of thousands of real people.
It's... a game. Are you high? 1000x more people in this world have played Euchre than EVE. We don't have monuments to Euchre IRL because that would be ridiculously stupid. We also don't talk about how Euchre 'touched the lives of millions of people'. So youre talking about a game with a few players. It doesnt matter than millions have played the same game what matters is that they didnt ALL play with each other nor did their games affect the outcome of anyone elses games like Eve does. Eve WoW which has millions of users doesnt affect each other in any meaningful way you can play on different shards forever and never meet or know or be affected by anyone else unlike Eve. That is the difference why theres no monuments to these games in these ways.
My last big bucket list goal in Eve was to solo build an outpost. As to leave a record of my 12 years in this game when I left that would remain permanently in the game. That I could point at and say I did that and itd last forever as record of me playing other than 12 years worth of credit card statements. Now that that is gone the last thing I wanted to leave in this game permanently is gone to and Im greatly disappointed that CCP killed that dream for me. As atm there is NOTHING permanent left thats great or grand to accomplish at all.
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Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
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Posted - 2016.02.20 12:52:10 -
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stg slate wrote:vr0p wrote:I'm sure this must have been discussed but I can't find any trace of it...
From what I understand, outposts will be phased out over the year as the citadel system solidifies. But what about the history associated with some of these places that have stood for years? And some of them stand as monuments to players who have lost their lives, or represent colossal struggles and devious schemes. It just seems like the history that players have created is about to have a chapter erased... The last thing we need to do is impede game changes because someone feels nostalgic.
Yup, out with the old, in with the new. |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
233
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Posted - 2016.02.20 13:20:56 -
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vr0p wrote:I'm not saying that outposts must be preserved, but perhaps some acknowledgement of notable ones via monuments or lore writeups or artwork or something.
Why couldn't emotionally significant towers become permanantly offlined indestructible monuments? That way history is preserved but the game can move on. Although who would decide what classes as emotionally significant I do not know.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2993
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Posted - 2016.02.20 13:54:20 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote: Why couldn't emotionally significant towers become permanantly offlined indestructible monuments? That way history is preserved but the game can move on. Although who would decide what classes as emotionally significant I do not know.
And who decides how long an 'emotionally significant tower/outpost' needs to have existed before it gets a permanent monument also. Why should players who started before a magic date get to have permanent monuments while players after a certain date don't.
All these emotionally significant things are also enshrined in the lore & history of the wiki's including the official wiki, and in the news articles on many gaming websites, as well as in stories passed down from player to player. There is no need for permanent monuments of everything a player believes is significant. If CCP want to establish a monument to some kind of record shattering event, like the number of titan wrecks they put in place, that is interesting since it shattered a CCP record massively, but a monument just for a players emotions should be kept in place by players, ala build a citadel & rebuild it as needed. |
May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
117
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Posted - 2016.02.20 14:18:03 -
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vr0p wrote:I'm sure this must have been discussed but I can't find any trace of it...
From what I understand, outposts will be phased out over the year as the citadel system solidifies. But what about the history associated with some of these places that have stood for years? And some of them stand as monuments to players who have lost their lives, or represent colossal struggles and devious schemes. It just seems like the history that players have created is about to have a chapter erased...
If it's such a big deal, make the effort to commemorate them yourself. These monuments already exist within the current mechanics, and if they mean enough to someone they will continue to exist under the new mechanics. That's how EVE works in case you'd forgotten. Pour concrete into a sandbox and you ruin the sandbox.
As for player-built monuments, not a terrible idea assuming you're fine with them being destructible. Maybe people will be motivated to actually defend things if they have meaning. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
662
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Posted - 2016.02.20 16:13:51 -
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stg slate wrote:It's... a game. Are you high?
1000x more people in this world have played Euchre than EVE. We don't have monuments to Euchre IRL because that would be ridiculously stupid. We also don't talk about how Euchre 'touched the lives of millions of people'.
That's because Euchre didn't, really. People don't spend several hours every day for years playing Euchre together with thousands of other players in a round that lasts for 13 years and it doesn't typically form social groups and friendships like Eve does. A round of Euchre lasts a few minutes, maybe an evening if you play several hands and involves 3 guys you are either already friends with or you just met in a pub and will never meet again. You win some, you lose some, it doesn't matter, you are probably drunk anyway.
So - the comparison doesn't hold up, really.
However - I couldn't care less about outposts. If players want to remember their old outpost, they can just put up an XL Citadel and call it whatever silly name the outpost had.
If it's so important to people, it's up to them to make sure Eve history will not be forgotten. CCP can't just put up a beacon or permanent wreck up for everything that mattered to someone in the game, lest they want to turn it into Kessler Syndrome Online. |
Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
166
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Posted - 2016.02.20 18:44:55 -
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EVE is about...whatever some random player comes on the forum and claims it's about. EVE is about:
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