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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.21 19:56:34 -
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Question is in the title. For a pvp vindicator with dual 90% 14km faction webs, is void or caldari navy antimatter better? I figure void since the tracking loss doesn't really matter when your target is doing 5 ms? |
Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2016.02.22 01:02:05 -
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i think Void even at 14km. Over 16km Null, but the question was for 14km optimal, so Void |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp The Tuskers Co.
405
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Posted - 2016.02.22 09:58:27 -
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Depends on fits and implants, but just plug it into eft and do a dps graph with every different ammo type and you shall see.
Without any range mods its Null>Antimatter>Void, with 2 range mods its antimatter>void>null. |
Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.22 11:10:35 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Depends on fits and implants, but just plug it into eft and do a dps graph with every different ammo type and you shall see.
Without any range mods its Null>Antimatter>Void, with 2 range mods its antimatter>void>null.
Why do range mods matter though if you're running 90% webs and MWD boosted to around 1500+ ms? Shouldn't I just go for void and get up to and sit on my target?
Wait a minute, why would I even use range mods on a close range pvp vindicator? |
Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.22 11:13:32 -
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Atomeon wrote:i think Void even at 14km. Over 16km Null, but the question was for 14km optimal, so Void
I meant that the base web range without bonus or overheat is 14km. I plan to get up close and personal. Yeah I thought void seemed best. If the target is barely moving then the tracking loss doesn't matter. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
1008
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Posted - 2016.02.22 12:28:58 -
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Optimal is a thing... and your still going to get negative effects to ships with a smaller sig
No Worries
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.22 15:22:36 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Optimal is a thing... and your still going to get negative effects to ships with a smaller sig
I fail to see how optimal matters if I am sat on top of my webbed target. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
1009
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Posted - 2016.02.22 16:08:53 -
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because if you web say.. a cruiser... and it has its own web... it could still be moving faster than you lol... or at least you could be killing stuff fast enough that you dont have time to get any closer.. at which case longer range ammo might still be more efficient.
edit.. Or at least you might not be closing on your target that quickly lol
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
609
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Posted - 2016.02.22 18:06:45 -
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Depends on what you are shooting at.
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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Mysa
Alekhine's Gun Decayed Orbit
48
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Posted - 2016.02.22 18:49:36 -
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Void for Battlecruisers and above Fed Anti for Crusiers, dessys, frigates+drones
SoloFoLife!
-KEKE the Merlin wonder
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.22 22:47:42 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:because if you web say.. a cruiser... and it has its own web... it could still be moving faster than you lol... or at least you could be killing stuff fast enough that you dont have time to get any closer.. at which case longer range ammo might still be more efficient.
edit.. Or at least you might not be closing on your target that quickly lol
My targets will be all double (or triple mostly) 90% webbed so it's doubtful.
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.22 22:50:59 -
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Mysa wrote:Void for Battlecruisers and above Fed Anti for Crusiers, dessys, frigates+drones
What if my fleet composition always has 2-3x 50% sig radius increase target painters and triple 90% webs. Forget antimatter and use void? |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp The Tuskers Co.
405
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Posted - 2016.02.23 02:26:29 -
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If you talk about at 0 dont mention 14km, otherwise, if you know how to fly use void, if you suck use AM (i.e if you know how to lower transversal use void). |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
1010
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Posted - 2016.02.23 09:51:29 -
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So your asking... if your sat at ZERO on a target ... with 2-3 90% webs applied... and 2-3 Bonused TPs... should you use Void or Anti...
WHY ARE YOU EVEN ASKING THE QUESTION!!!!!????
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.23 11:03:25 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:If you talk about at 0 dont mention 14km, otherwise, if you know how to fly use void, if you suck use AM (i.e if you know how to lower transversal use void).
I was just stating that I have 14km webs 90% (18km with boosts). The point was that I will likely be able to get to 0km from my target, who will be mostly immobile. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
219
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Posted - 2016.02.23 12:36:45 -
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Cometopappa wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:If you talk about at 0 dont mention 14km, otherwise, if you know how to fly use void, if you suck use AM (i.e if you know how to lower transversal use void). I was just stating that I have 14km webs 90% (18km with boosts). The point was that I will likely be able to get to 0km from my target, who will be mostly immobile.
Except you lose yr mwd when they scram you and turn yours off and then they web you as you web them. grats you are now 3km off them and very slowly being kited by said frig/crusier. What are you planning on hitting that wont have a scram/web? a procurer? in which case who cares if your using lead ammo cos its dead anyhow!!?
Honestly your question has been asked and answred and now your just arguing for the sake of it.
Will gank for food
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.23 15:40:41 -
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Tarojan wrote:Cometopappa wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:If you talk about at 0 dont mention 14km, otherwise, if you know how to fly use void, if you suck use AM (i.e if you know how to lower transversal use void). I was just stating that I have 14km webs 90% (18km with boosts). The point was that I will likely be able to get to 0km from my target, who will be mostly immobile. Except you lose yr mwd when they scram you and turn yours off and then they web you as you web them. grats you are now 3km off them and very slowly being kited by said frig/crusier. What are you planning on hitting that wont have a scram/web? a procurer? in which case who cares if your using lead ammo cos its dead anyhow!!? Honestly your question has been asked and answred and now your just arguing for the sake of it.
If i'm webbed 3km from them they are very much going to take a face full of 1800 dps. Optimal with T2 neutrons is near enough 7km.
I also don't hunt alone, we use three or more vindicators together in a pack. |
Telvar
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.02.24 01:13:56 -
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So let me get this right, there are 3 or more of you flying vindicators & none of you have a clue on what ammo to use?
Just a hint that you should not be fitting a scram on a vindicator with 2 x fed navy webs as they overheat to 18km & you want them to activate their mwd.
My advice is get a thorax & when you can fly it, get a brutix (rinse & repeat until you know how to fly a BS) |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
451
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Posted - 2016.02.24 08:24:36 -
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Cometopappa wrote:I was just stating that I have 14km webs 90% (18km with boosts). The point was that I will likely be able to get to 0km from my target, who will be mostly immobile. With that sort of range control the majority of the issues you're likely to have with tracking will be from yourself... But at 0km it doesn't take very much at all on the part of the target to cause you issues - even at 250m it only takes about 17m/s in the right direction to beat your Void tracking, something which is almost viable for battlecruisers (without prop mod) under a single 90% web... |
Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.24 14:23:57 -
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Telvar wrote:So let me get this right, there are 3 or more of you flying vindicators & none of you have a clue on what ammo to use?
Just a hint that you should not be fitting a scram on a vindicator with 2 x fed navy webs as they overheat to 18km & you want them to activate their mwd.
My advice is get a thorax & when you can fly it, get a brutix (rinse & repeat until you know how to fly a BS)
Without a scram how am I going to stop my target from activating a MJD? My last targets used them constantly and a scram was required. |
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.24 14:27:41 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Cometopappa wrote:I was just stating that I have 14km webs 90% (18km with boosts). The point was that I will likely be able to get to 0km from my target, who will be mostly immobile. With that sort of range control the majority of the issues you're likely to have with tracking will be from yourself... But at 0km it doesn't take very much at all on the part of the target to cause you issues - even at 250m it only takes about 17m/s in the right direction to beat your Void tracking, something which is almost viable for battlecruisers (without prop mod) under a single 90% web...
What about 3 90% webs, is that sufficient enough for it to not matter? Because that's what we have. Most stuff will be reduced to less than 5 ms. We also have a couple of 50% sig radius increase target painters also, which more than doubles the sig of any target. Each vindicator has improved drop for 25% increased tracking too, which negates the tracking loss of void (rarely ever get a booster penalty with improved drop or a penalty that matters).
The purpose of all of this is to make sure that we can apply near enough maximum potential dps to most of what we can catch in our webs. Triple 90% webs, 2x 50% sig increase target painters and 25% tracking increase from drop booster. 900+ dps from our drones too for anything that has super small sig. |
Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
921
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Posted - 2016.02.25 04:58:42 -
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ITT: If I'm shooting frigate guns at a moon with 25 Target Painters on it that is moving 0m/s, will the guns hit? |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp The Tuskers Co.
405
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Posted - 2016.02.25 08:06:33 -
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By this thread it seems clear that you shouldnt be flying a vindicator at all.
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.02.25 08:25:25 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:By this thread it seems clear that you shouldnt be flying a vindicator at all.
I've already tested all of this stuff myself, and found the results to be what I wanted. This thread is more to get opinion to make sure I am not doing something horribly wrong.
Why shouldn't I be flying a vindiciator? With over a trillion isk self earned and more than a billion skillpoints self trained among my characters I can fly whatever the hell I want. I've probably been playing EVE much longer than you too. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
1012
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Posted - 2016.02.25 08:41:43 -
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Cometopappa wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:By this thread it seems clear that you shouldnt be flying a vindicator at all.
I've already tested all of this stuff myself, and found the results to be what I wanted. This thread is more to get opinion to make sure I am not doing something horribly wrong. Why shouldn't I be flying a vindiciator? With over a trillion isk self earned and more than a billion skillpoints self trained among my characters I can fly whatever the hell I want. I've probably been playing EVE much longer than you too.
And yet you still asked....
this thread is stupid
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp The Tuskers Co.
406
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Posted - 2016.02.26 11:29:13 -
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Cometopappa wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:By this thread it seems clear that you shouldnt be flying a vindicator at all.
I've already tested all of this stuff myself, and found the results to be what I wanted. This thread is more to get opinion to make sure I am not doing something horribly wrong. Why shouldn't I be flying a vindiciator? With over a trillion isk self earned and more than a billion skillpoints self trained among my characters I can fly whatever the hell I want. I've probably been playing EVE much longer than you too.
As if any of that matters. |
MajorJenkins
UK Corp Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2016.03.03 14:38:53 -
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Cometopappa wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:By this thread it seems clear that you shouldnt be flying a vindicator at all.
I've already tested all of this stuff myself, and found the results to be what I wanted. This thread is more to get opinion to make sure I am not doing something horribly wrong. Why shouldn't I be flying a vindiciator? With over a trillion isk self earned and more than a billion skillpoints self trained among my characters I can fly whatever the hell I want. I've probably been playing EVE much longer than you too.
One billion skill points you sure bro ? |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp The Tuskers Co.
407
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Posted - 2016.03.03 20:25:31 -
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MajorJenkins wrote:Cometopappa wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:By this thread it seems clear that you shouldnt be flying a vindicator at all.
I've already tested all of this stuff myself, and found the results to be what I wanted. This thread is more to get opinion to make sure I am not doing something horribly wrong. Why shouldn't I be flying a vindiciator? With over a trillion isk self earned and more than a billion skillpoints self trained among my characters I can fly whatever the hell I want. I've probably been playing EVE much longer than you too. One billion skill points you sure bro ?
Amongst his characters, not on one. |
Lucy Callagan
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
47
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Posted - 2016.03.03 21:39:59 -
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Cometopappa wrote:What if my fleet composition always has 2-3x 50% sig radius increase target painters and triple 90% webs. Forget antimatter and use void?
Quote:[Rook, rip u]
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Cometopappa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.03.04 19:27:43 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:Cometopappa wrote:What if my fleet composition always has 2-3x 50% sig radius increase target painters and triple 90% webs. Forget antimatter and use void? Quote:[Rook, rip u]
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Legion ECM Ion Field Projector Legion ECM Ion Field Projector Legion ECM Ion Field Projector Large Shield Extender II Kaikka's Modified ECM Multispectral Jammer Kaikka's Modified ECM Multispectral Jammer Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
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I run with close to 100 sensor strength and 300+ dps from drones alone. total 1700+ dps. Also, 330k ehp. If that's not enough, we run 3 of these.
Rip rook. |
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