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Ros'Alin
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Posted - 2007.02.04 15:10:00 -
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Ok i know that this is only another post but be sure ill keep bumpin it everyday i try to run my lvl4 missions and i cant because of UBER MASSIVE LAG.
I run lvl4 Command missions with Tora agent, at Motsu, and all those systems like Saila, Motsu, Laah, and those close eachother are just impossible to play or have any fun, so if you are not going to fix that in a long term, you better lock this post and ban me from this forum otherwise ill keep posting and complaining that iam paying not to train skills only but to PLAY the game.
Some say 'hey if you dont want lag go 0.0 dude'. Well for those i feel sorry that their are such *&¿%$ people that takes whatever they give you.
I pay a caldari account to play in a caldari world. Theres nothing in my EVE Contract that says i cant do it so i want it and i want it now. If you dont like it, well... you can kiss my big white caldari azz.
PS.: If you feel the same, just bump this post. If u dont, well dont even bother replying it.
Rasta J0nes CALDARI HARDCORE PLAYER.
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.02.04 17:51:00 -
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Oh wait a min youre 100% right!
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LordHamSandwich
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Posted - 2007.02.04 18:04:00 -
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Preach On Brother! (p.s) I would have responded sooner, had I not been forced to log in over and over and over on this bug infested website.
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nutbar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.04 21:57:00 -
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Yup, as much as my carebear rear-end hates the lag, I don't get that much enjoyment out of PVP or other such things, and I prefer to do missions for my isk and loot-finding. It's how I play the game and I'd like to do it without horrible lag, and I'd also like to be able to play when *I* want to, not when there's nobody else online so that the lag is (no, not gone... hahha) more tolerable.
Motsu and any surrounding system within 3-4 jumps is absolutely trash. I lagged out in Komo one night just running THROUGH it worse than I did when I went through Jita only minutes later.
Oh, and don't bloody nerf more stuff saying it's a lag fix. We've seen you nerf everything but your wives in the name of "speed". How about you fix how the game works on the servers, instead of fixing a virtual world which you apparently seem to have lost control of.
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Frug
SYOID Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.02.04 22:07:00 -
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Motsu is worse than Jita.
Good place to sell rig parts but I refuse to go near it or saila.
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SturmBringer
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.06 23:46:00 -
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+1 its getting beyond a joke , CCPs latest attempt at a fix has only spread the lag infection further , its now an Epidemic !!! Why pay for a game if you cant play it the way you want due to poor customer service ?
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.02.07 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: RaSTa J0NeS on 07/02/2007 18:07:22 /bump
for those who cant mission in SAILA.
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Joseph Boscorelli
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:56:00 -
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Bumping in the hope of a fix. Lost a Nighthawk and Raven since the last patch due to the awful lag. petitioned the Nighthawk and got it back. Lost interest with the Raven and stopped mission running....has it helped the rest of you? Thought not...what a mess
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2007.02.07 22:08:00 -
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Still think they should implement the idea I posted in the game development forum that got no response...
Change agents to all be of the same quality (start off poor), then their quality increases with the experience you develop with them (note that this shouldn't diminish if you cash in LPs).
Then there's no need for every Caldari agent mission runner to cram into 3 systems and it could reduce the lag as players could be spread out all over caldari space.
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Phoenixhawk
Caldari Farscape Mining Hitchhiker's Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:25:00 -
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kaunokka worse than jita for months and months, its not getting better, 2 jumps out is Oisio with a level 4 qual -10 (i think) 30 or so in system at any give point, lag's just as bad as kaunokka or Motsu which i left due to unplayablity, either the Hardware cant handle it, the coding cant handle it, a mix, or CCP just doesnt get a clue, Moving agents around has done nothing in the past, it just takes the lag from System X and puts it in System Y, More agents of the same qualitys need ADDED to the game. face it, if there is a better qual agent you can use for better rewards as a player your going to seek that agent out. if there was 20 Level 4 Qual 18/19/20 agents and 20 Level 3 Qual 18/19/20 agents added in caldari space, guess what, EVERY fracking mission runner would not be in the same 2 or 3 systems. nor would the servers and code have to handle hundreds of players in the same sytem doing missions at the same time. not to mention putting the LP Store into effect, so people that have 200k LP with a agent wouldnt have to cash out on some crappy implant offer, just to start all over again with the new agents. but ccp lets face it, point blank every move made to reduce lag has often taken away from the game, and done either nothing or next to nothing to improve the quality of the game. Drones yes Drones are the problem, lets take them away, the numbers get cut to half, afterwards no noticable increase in performance on the player end, Bookmarks its those danged bookmarks, warp to 0, over 50% of all BM's are deleted, pirates now have a heck of a time popping you after your on the other side of the gate, fast frigs are all but immune, and again no noticable preformance increase on the player end. but while your pulling things out, how about Removing all those annoying Spam cans, anchored all over the place, thier size makes them really unuseable for all except the lone nooblet mining, so they really serve no reason for being in the game, except spamming the heck out of every station/gate in empire.
/end rant Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
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Ben Murder
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Posted - 2007.02.08 02:10:00 -
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Saila sucks the life out of game play takes a couple hours to solo a lvl 4 mission.. Lag is so bad cant lock fire just wait and hope your not in your pod already..
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IHaveTenFingers
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.02.08 02:14:00 -
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Somehow i dont mind the lag. Its nothing at all like the post-dragon lag or even the post-bloodlines lag. Ive seen several people say "im going to stop playing cuz of this s*#$", and i see them mission whoring the next week or month. Theres nothing thats going to stop us from playing and running our missions. not the most offesive and grotesque amounts of lag will prevent the average player from attempting mission after mission after mission. CCP knows this, and therefore they will do nothing about it. I have no problem with that. Did anyone ever consider for the slightest fraction of a second that the lag in this area is CCP's attempt to get players to broaden their horizons and do something new for a change? They are trying to force us out. Its really very simple... there are 2 options.
1. Endure the "lag". 2. Leave the area and find a new source of income.
Theres my take on the situation. CCP, dont fix the "lag", force out all the whiners and complainers, until there is a steady balance between population and lag in the area of concern. ------------------------------------
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Ros'Alin
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Posted - 2007.02.08 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ros''Alin on 08/02/2007 04:01:43
Originally by: IHaveTenFingers
CCP, dont fix the "lag", force out all the whiners and complainers, until there is a steady balance between population and lag in the area of concern.
Do you believe this guy? Btw, read the post. its only repplies for those who want to complain, not those who wanna kiss ass while sit in station with their market opened for hours.
if you want you chat free, goto mirc
EDIT: Yeah, this post is for us who grinded lvl4 combat missions and put our expensive battleships to have some serious PVE, not lil bunnies.
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SturmBringer
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.08 04:34:00 -
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I pay my subscription every month , that entitles me to do what i want when i want . If i want to run missions i will do so , when doing so i expect to do so without the issue of lag .
There are many fascets to this game , so all you arse kissers out there please leave this thread alone whilst us mission runners continue to grieve at the current state of gameplay in Caldari Space . Hopefully CCP will pull there heads in soon and alleviate our pain .
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.08 10:22:00 -
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The lag has improved immensely since the last few patche's to be fair, some place's do get heavier load's because they share the same node's but is to be expected. Have you optimised your client and done all the thing's to reduce lag/delay's etc? I can fly through empire and do whatever and the ONLY system that bother's my comp is jita, but that is because everyone decides to huddle in the same spot, cloggin up the system.
Instead of moaning how the game won't bend to yourd emand's, how about adapting a little (shock horror ) and moving to a better system/less people/new area/whatever. Or you could even join a 0.0 corp (onoes) and do the mission's there which are far better and have pretty much zero lag.
Bottom line is don't whine about the problem if your'e unwilling to help with the solution
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Galaon
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Posted - 2007.02.08 10:33:00 -
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I dosent make lvl 4, only lvl 2-3 mission, and i am not in Motsu or Jita. I am in a little system with 0-10 people average. There is no big system near, and still i lag. The lag have came reasonly, i dont know why, but i want it to stop.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.08 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Galaon I dosent make lvl 4, only lvl 2-3 mission, and i am not in Motsu or Jita. I am in a little system with 0-10 people average. There is no big system near, and still i lag. The lag have came reasonly, i dont know why, but i want it to stop.
Have look on the sticky on optimising your computer/reducing lag. It help's an incredible amount, seriously.
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Galaon
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Posted - 2007.02.08 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Have look on the sticky on optimising your computer/reducing lag. It help's an incredible amount, seriously.
Where can i find that sticky?
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Galaon
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Posted - 2007.02.08 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59
Have look on the sticky on optimising your computer/reducing lag. It help's an incredible amount, seriously.
Where can i find that sticky?
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Ros'Alin
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Posted - 2007.02.08 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59 Instead of moaning how the game won't bend to yourd emand's, how about adapting a little (shock horror ) and moving to a better system/less people/new area/whatever.
Dude lemme throw some facts for your arse kissing head: 1) Aint client issue, its server side issue. 2) I wanna play caldari lvl4 missions, its up to DEVS not me, to put agents in non-crowded areas. 3) The bottom of line is that the reason probably we wont get this fixed is because people that dont run lvl4 Command/Security missions and come to say they dont care about the lag.
ONCE AGAIN: This post is for Players who run Security/Command lvl4 missions in Motsu, Saila, Laah, Komo with their expensive Ships. Is that you? no? DONT REPLY THANKS
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.08 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Galaon
Originally by: fire 59
Have look on the sticky on optimising your computer/reducing lag. It help's an incredible amount, seriously.
Where can i find that sticky?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=110129, there ya go mate. there is some very good advice in it which really can help.
To the op, dude, i expressed my opinion on the matter and you responded like a retard. i gave an honest non bias opinion on the matter. I used to carebear and until i was shown how to optimise my client/take steps to reduce lag, it was awful. Now i can do whatever anywhere, only suffer in jita or in massive fleet battle's, and even then after the intial load up, it's all good.
If you want to start a flame war with me, keep insulting me and stuff and we can go mate.
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nutbar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.09 00:15:00 -
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There are reasons why people may not want to move even if the lag is bad... here's my reasons and I am sure others may share it:
1) I run lvl4 missions for my isk so I can get new toys and play with them. 2) I don't want to join a player corp - pvp or pve related, even with 0% tax. I like my solo life, and it's not boring. 3) I have a 9.99 standing with Caldari Navy, and a 9.8 with the q18 Motsu chick, and I have every intention to get her to a true 10.0 before I move out. 4) I have LOTS of ships and stuff parked in Motsu - moving bases is out of the question until #3 is met. 5) People accrue lots of LP with an agent to get specific offers (I am currently not bothering with this - just cashing out on skillbooks now). Until LP can move agents, people will not move. Similar to my #3. 6) There is no lowsec space even close to Motsu, so all lvl4 missions will never send you to lowsec where you could get ganked/probed down. This is QUITE a relief for non pvp'ers - or heck, *ANYONE* fitted for a mission and not pvp.
I'm sure there are more reasons, but there are 6 solid reasons why I personally am not moving yet - why should I be forced out of the area because CCP can't alleviate the lag in other non-destructive ways? I am hoping that the changes in missions (reducing #'s, increasing difficulty of the individual npc's) will help the lag, but I quite strongly object to being forced out of something I wish to do when I am paying for the game. I shouldn't be there for much longer - but while I am, I'd prefer to be able to enjoy the game, not endure it.
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.02.09 02:12:00 -
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Hi, can i have Motsu avaliable for playing now? Its just creep now (lag of course).
Thanks
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Frug
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Posted - 2007.02.09 07:21:00 -
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Jeez it's like the caldary navy is the only caldari corp with lvl 4 combat agents.
Oh wait, there's a whole crapload more.
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nutbar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.09 07:34:00 -
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Do the others give out CNR offers though? :)
Plus, CN rules!
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bringme2life
Caldari Imperial Ravens
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Posted - 2007.02.09 12:22:00 -
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Ok peoples cut the complains, and find yourself less populated system. CCP cannot do anything about the lag...we all know they've tried. The amount of traffic and missions generated around Motsu and Saila is just too big for their hardware to handle. There are good lvl4 agents available in low secs. Use their services. Or start doing like I do, ditch the f missions and start doing something real: make your profit off pirating
I pity those 23/7 mission runners who're thinking that beating the hardest missions is a challenge, or even interesting.
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nutbar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.10 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: bringme2life
I pity those 23/7 mission runners who're thinking that beating the hardest missions is a challenge, or even interesting.
I can't see how it's any worse than chaining BS spawns in 0.0 - and not everyone wants to do the pirate thing. I figure had you read the posts here you'd have figured out that some of us just want to do our missions and not have people tell us that we should go do something else as a "solution".
So, cut the preaching :)
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.02.11 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: nutbar I can't see how it's any worse than chaining BS spawns in 0.0 - and not everyone wants to do the pirate thing. I figure had you read the posts here you'd have figured out that some of us just want to do our missions and not have people tell us that we should go do something else as a "solution".
Thats exacly what the post want to say but some are just trying to transform a technical problem in a cultural problem, which iam sorry to see but this will keep on, no matter if u guys dont wanna see this post on top of board or not.
This isnt a flame post or whatever, its meant to complain a real problem that is a lack of the quality of the service. We bump this everytime we cant play so if u dont want to see it, dont open it, but i guess some are just too curious to read replies for a post that doesnt concern their daily EVE playing.
Coming again 23:53 EVE Time, Motsu isnt even workin. Cant do nothing without a 30 secs or more delay. Can i hate Motsu working?
Thanks.
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Lag Hon
Minmatar Lag Hon Security
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Posted - 2007.02.12 04:05:00 -
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I know this probably wont go down well with the general Caldari population but Im not trolling or trying to upset people just offering what I see is some of the cause to the problem so here goes anyway. Nerf Caldari ships a bit. If Caldari ships wernt so easy to fly and mission with, less people would gravitate to Caldari space and more would consider other races, thus reducing server load in Caldari space. Im not saying send the Caldari back to the stoneage but make them a little more SP and players skill hungry to use. That way if you have actually work with the ships then they would be a little less attractive to every other player.
Quote:
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand. G'Kar
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nutbar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.12 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lag Hon I know this probably wont go down well with the general Caldari population but Im not trolling or trying to upset people just offering what I see is some of the cause to the problem so here goes anyway. Nerf Caldari ships a bit. If Caldari ships wernt so easy to fly and mission with, less people would gravitate to Caldari space and more would consider other races, thus reducing server load in Caldari space. Im not saying send the Caldari back to the stoneage but make them a little more SP and players skill hungry to use. That way if you have actually work with the ships then they would be a little less attractive to every other player.
I think before nerfing happens like that, CCP needs to find out WHY so many people pick Caldari - and I don't mean guess or just say "this is why" - mean really ask... run a poll or something.
This is my first character in EVE - ever. I picked Caldari based on many things, none of which had to do with ships or missions, because I didn't even know about those when I made my character. I picked it based off of the description of the race, the looks, and career path choices. I don't like religion, I live near Quebec (so no Gallente) ;P, and I'd rather not be a slave thanks. That's why I'm Caldari.
Why do I run missions? Because I wanted to do a little RPG stuffs in the game - I'm by no means a "roll player", but I like storyline stuff and I thought that was something I was supposed to do in the game since it starts off with storyline stuff. Of course now I know it just loops the storyline missions after a while, but hey, I've got tons of stuff for running missions, my skills are set towards the ships to do it in, and I can run a mission on my own time/terms without having to wait for prey (pvp) or do anything with gangs or whatever if I don't want to - and I can roam around afk somewhat without the worry of being in a pod if I sit at a gate for more than a few seconds in "carebear" space :P
Nerfing Caldari is not the answer IMHO. It's not that the ships are so easy to fly, it's that missile launchers don't require as much skill to get good damage from them. That makes them decent for beginners to use and they work relatively well for pve missions. That's just how it goes.
I bet that if they made a new race in the game and gave them some elite sort of "superhuman" description about their race, and gave them some cool military and warfare related career paths, you'd end up with lots of people picking those as their race, and not Caldari... but they'd still end up doing missions, for the exact same reasons.
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.02.12 14:47:00 -
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2007.02.12 - 14:45 EVE time.
Saila (or "Sailag") isnt working. Agent sent me there. Its around 15 secs delay and its just too much lag. Can i have the sistem working?
Thanks.
/bump for report.
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Alaris
Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.02.12 20:52:00 -
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Just add more agents of the same qualities and spread them around, I don't understand why this hasn't been done already. If you give people more choices, they'll probably end up spreading out enough to drop the lag a ton. Moving the same agent from one spot to the next isn't fixing this issue.
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Jeff Badger
Caldari Doom Guard FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 21:27:00 -
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The lag can be quite annoying, but the solution is not just
"go to 0.0 and pirate" or "mission somewhere quiet"
as you would just get a yo-yo effect as the system clears up and other people come in to fill it.
Also people should be able to do what they choose to in eve and if that means lag free missioning then so be it
Like others have already said, moving agents doesn't really make a difference and introducing new similar quality agents may mean less people start missioning with agents like Toras Egassuo, but you will still have the issue with the players (like myself) already established with the agents in the laggy systems who dont want to move due to standing and LP (and the effort of moving loads of ships, which players shouldn't have to do to resolve server lag issues)
Could CCP work with the players to create some new agents in different systems and fully migrate players to new agents, hangers, LP etc etc?
personally i'm off to 0.0 cos its too scary trying to mission run in a laggy system full of Privateers
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Azuse
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Posted - 2007.02.12 22:24:00 -
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Ther certainly are some good ideas in here (lets hope ccp actually take these on-board), however this post is about the problem not the solution so..
MOTSU IS NOT PLAYABLE WHEN 200 PEOPLE ARE IN LOCAL, ALL RUNNING MISSION FOR THE SAME AGENT
Say what you want ccp are aware of this, more over they're aware that each months they take money from myself and others for (here at least) an unusable service at peak times. So why pay? It's a server issue yet nothing is being done, where are the fees going?
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Shelby Cobra
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Posted - 2007.02.13 04:01:00 -
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I Moved like 17 Fracking Times, on avg 10 people in local in the system I decide to move to. within a month or two the system floods, and its unplayable able. I've played my hand a pirating, but sorry blob warfare doesnt do it for me. its either I have more ships and we omfgwtfbbq I pwned you... or you have twice the ships and you omfgwtfbbq you pwned me. Most the time I'm running solo, so missioning is my thing, I can blow things up, make some isk and not worry if i'm by myself or if you have 50 people in your blob to jump my lone vulture. when i pvp i do it on my terms, if i dont want to risk my ship i dont pvp, when i feel like risking it, i have fun win or loose. There is nothing fun however to loosing a ship to PvE in a mission due to module lag over 2 mins (have Screenshots & Fraps to prove it) for me, i've always got the ship replaced in minutes, and every single time i've got my ship and mods back (2 months later on avg) but for a newer player thats a major loss of income to loose a battleship and not be able to run a level 4 or even a level 3 due to the lag, or not having the ship untill its replaced. and Point in fact it would take next to nothing to add more agents to the game. and for the 0.0 addicts that think moving to 0.0 is the solve all, CCP has been trying to force players into 0.0 since castor, and point blank, few want the BS & Drama involoved in 0.0, and the reward isnt worth the risk. this is why empire stays packed. and pretty much the same old names control the same old space in 0.0, Alliance names may chance, and even a few of the corp names happon to change, but those of us that have flown 0.0 know for a fact its the same ole names in local
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dets
Caldari DOMINATIO
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Posted - 2007.02.13 19:49:00 -
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Heck I just lost 2 ships in a lvl 3 mission in a sec lvl 6 system that only had 31 people in it. I warped in went to a line up for a jump and could not move, the next thing I know I was in a pod, I could move then.
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.02.13 23:14:00 -
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2007.02.13 23:12 EVE TIME
Motsu/Saila are just not even working. Cant do my mission "Enemies Abound 5 of 5" in Saila. Can i have the system working please? This isnt a child play game, this is me paying you to give me and youre not doing it. Please respect contract clauses.
Caldari Soldier.
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Ros'Alin
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Posted - 2007.02.14 15:46:00 -
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/bump
Motsu isnt working now. Can we have the sistem working please?
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:39:00 -
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they said in a blog that they will move around agents as part of the need for speed initiative.
why do you all run missions for caldari navy or whatever is clustered in motsu? there's plenty of other lvl4 q18 agents in high sec from other caldari npc corps with more lvl4 agents close. i'm not getting bad lag and i usually run lvl4s in a smaller mission hub. not atm tho as we have war decs on. --
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.02.24 17:33:00 -
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/bump cause SAILA is saying "i want yer ship down".
Oh, say you dont like a caldari subscriber that pays caldari account to play in best of caldari world complainin in yer your so dear complainin board? well guess what
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.25 11:37:00 -
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I kinda undertand what you mean but if you know somewhere is going to be messy or laggy etc, your taking a chance when you could move or whatever, at least until they do something. I used to do mission's a long time ago before i moved into 0.0 and it was cool, the population steadily increased though and it got filled up with farmer's and mission runner's and basically became an environment i din't want to be near so i moved.
I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but for example, you could leave your uber kit in empire and get a clone into stain or curse etc and run mission's there. The reward'sare far better and is also a welcome change of pace. The lag get's too bad where you are, jc to another spot and do it there. Less frustration and also keep's it abit more fresh, plus you meet different people and would make new frinds etc.
You'll find that there is an element of risk but if your careful you will be fine. Other mission runner's there will leave you alone and if you get hassled or whatever, hop to another clone. Jc technology has made it so we can move about the universe in an instant, use it
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Posted - 2007.02.25 11:50:00 -
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Before you continue to request it to be fixed you should really read the dev blogs.
The majority of people causing the lag are high end mission runners and the npcs of their missions (I know this to be true as I enjoy the convosation in local whilst doing my missions).
Most people will use the best agent they can.... new agents are coming in low sec. Missions are being altered to have fewer npcs in them (but they will be harder npcs to compensate).
So as soon as this is implimented the lag issue will be resolved in areas like Motsu. Jita will still be an issue as its a trade/route hub. The only possible solution I can think of for these trade hubs is to reduce the stations in them, remove the agents and the astroid belts. This would remove the missioners and miners leaving the system as what the majority use it for.
But as this thread is concerning missioning in Caldari state space and the solution has already been posted by the devs I feel that this thread can be closed.
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Ros'Alin
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Posted - 2007.02.25 14:00:00 -
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Waw... if there were any DEV/BOB at Motsu now... if they care...
/bump cause Motsu right now you cant even chat or sell loot. Totaly un-functional.
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DiNoer
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.02.25 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: DiNoer on 25/02/2007 14:24:51 /signed
Even if you run all the client optimizations that are suggested here, and believe me I have em; Motsu as of right now is totally unplayable. Lost a Raven fully T2 kitted to the monster. No use in petitioning it as usual as officially GM's can't do nothing about it since "... we cannot reimburse for a lag related issue ...".
CCP needs to do something more concrete than just court us with the SOP "We are on it" PR message. Guys you been on it since -03. The last 6 months is going steadily from bad to worse.
I know this is a business for you, but things are at that stage where I really am considering leaving the game. And the buzz on the TS intune with my thoughts. It is that serious.
I duly understand that EVE is a hardcore PVP game, but not everyone likes the 0.0 blob wunderland. 3h of rolling your thumbs up somewhere moist and where the eternal darkness prevails: just for 15mins of uber action. Sorry, I want more for the 3h guys. Thus I PVE. Yes it holds no candle to a sweet PVP-op, but least it's there when I have time to play.
Sorry for the ****ed off whine, but honestly I am! And seems like I'm not alone.
La prospTritT de l'Gme libre. La prospTritT de la fTdTration |
yahai
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Posted - 2007.02.25 15:11:00 -
[45]
msu is now completely unplayable. CCP fix this or get to reimburse every loss vs npc in these systems.
30+sec for any module to activate is no way to play the game
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.02.25 16:26:00 -
[46]
One guy said in local chat a few ago "this is the way they found to nerf mission runners".
I gave him my personal OSCAR.
Err any GM reading this? Hello? Can i have 50kbps of bandwidth so i can undock and leave the place?
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Rhaven
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Posted - 2007.02.25 16:33:00 -
[47]
hmm ravens galor with NPC's firing missles .. find a way to get rid of the missle effects and lag will go away .... ctrl alt shift e doesnot do anything for missles.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.26 08:49:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ros'Alin Waw... if there were any DEV/BOB at Motsu now... if they care...
/bump cause Motsu right now you cant even chat or sell loot. Totaly un-functional.
Eh, was that an attempt to be funny. Seriously though, can understand that it must be hard if the hamster's are on holiday but can you not seriously just move to another agent for abit UNTIL something is done?
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DiNoer
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.02.26 11:09:00 -
[49]
Edited by: DiNoer on 26/02/2007 11:06:11
Originally by: fire 59 Eh, was that an attempt to be funny. Seriously though, can understand that it must be hard if the hamster's are on holiday but can you not seriously just move to another agent for abit UNTIL something is done?
Coz most high sec (with decent agents) mission systems in eve suffer from the same exact phenomenon.
And plz fire, don't suggest moving 0.0 nor low-sec. Just ain't gona happen for the obvious reasons. We are not idiots.
La prospTritT de l'Gme libre. La prospTritT de la fTdTration |
Elain Reverse
Caldari Shokei
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Posted - 2007.02.26 19:44:00 -
[50]
Running missions in Lowsec ? No thx, losing 0.5b worth ship twice a week because pirates are insta camping those mission runners system is not solution. Lowsec in curent state is out of question for now as long as it dont get fixed some serious fixes. (Sentry guns atacking player who want to defent itself as well sec hit if he kill agresor and many more things need to be fixed). Yes make more high quality agents, but not only in lowsec, i sugested that many times. As for Caldari Navy, they have most L1-3 agents from all caldari Corps I tryed and if you already have 9+ standing and 100k+ LP you dont want to move so easily. I now trying get standing with other Corp witch have trading and R&D agents, but I dont want to go thru all that L1->L4 missions every few weeks. Also CN having most of agents around my corp Main Base and having qite some stations with 50% refining is another reason.
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MMXMMX
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.02.27 08:08:00 -
[51]
Bump .
O yeh and when do we get the new missions ?
O yeh and when ar the going to remove all those friggys out of the missions ?
And i stil see a lot off graffic bugs to .
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Capt Kees
Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.02.27 12:19:00 -
[52]
Only lvl4 agent for Caldari Navy i can find is in Salia, or close by Motsu :x But the lag is to bad there, it took about 5mins even to undock/dock and modules takes ages to get activated, thus i left my raven in Salia, stepped in a Jumpclone and headed to lowsec, hoping one day the lag gets so, that i can at least undock my raven and have it fly to lowsec...
I'm a PvP player, allthough a fresh one, cant live from pvp yet solely, so i need to do the occasional mission running, and dont wanted to use my expensive raven yet in lowsec..(soz, not that rich yet i can throw one away)..
For me personally it aint a too much of a deal, but it would be great if i could now and then be able to use that agent again.
(Sidenote) Caldari Navy, and War Tribunal seems to be small NPC corpsen with very limited lvl4 agents, since most Cald players start with one of those, alot of players stick to them, making those few agents of this corp, beeing massively used.. Maybe a few more high lvl agents spread out over Highsec (It seems Navy and Tribunal are HighSec only) maybe will help a bit..
But then, thats allready part of the speed iniative, so best is to stick it out, and get standings with a other corp, so your not restricted to a single agent.. (i know it sucks, its much more extra work)
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Hauling
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Posted - 2007.03.21 22:12:00 -
[53]
I couldnt have Motsu working. Actually i have lost a full t2 raven in mission cause infinite lag loop. Petitioned but who cares, this is crappy service for years.
/bump.
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atrophocy
The Shaw
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Posted - 2007.03.21 23:24:00 -
[54]
i run missions out of motsu. i use that agent for the same reason as everyone else. although i get the occasional bit of lag i've never found it stops me from playing the game. sometimes, like today when it has been really bad, i get module lag of 10-15 seconds but never more than that, also a 5 second delay when changing ships and such. sometimes when undocking in motsu or jita i get a 10 second blackscreen. once everyfew days it doesnt recover from the blackscreen and i have to reboot the client. [sucks when there's war targets waiting outside]
I have gone to alot of effort to tweak my client so it performs as best as possible. i have increased buffer size and memory usage, but at the same time enabled multisampling which has lowered framerate. i run off a fairly crappy cable connection in new zealand, so a long way from the servers.
I guess what i'm trying to say is yes, ccp have work to do on fixing things on their end but it's not entirely their fault, there is alot people can do to reduce lag at their own end. in motsu and jita it used to be a constant slide show for me but now runs relatively smoothly. i almost never find the lag unbearable.
i understand that alot of people probably have taken steps to do what they can on their end and are still having problems. i'm just sharing my experience.
*waits for "CALDARI HARDCORE PLAYERS" and other's who told me to get F*ed in local today to rip my post to bits*
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R3dSh1ft
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.22 00:15:00 -
[55]
add agents/move them to low sec that will thin out the numbers.
i started out this game as a mission ***** and i'm one day hoping to retire a wealthy gentile back where i started in good old lonetrek. ______________________________________
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Trilori
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Posted - 2007.03.22 00:59:00 -
[56]
HEAR HEAR!!!
I haven't read all the posts, but I'd like to say you're not all the only ones neither am I. Lag is evident in Essence, The Citadel, Lonetrek.
The market is a farce you can't even sell your stash to make ANY money whatsoever unless you're directly selling which is kinda pointless because I tend to want to sell right away.
I don't know much about the game, I'm new but I'm not new to MMOs and one thing I dislike about MMOs that I have played is they keep taking things that are "uber" and dulling it out making it NO fun like the recent nano is now nerfed... I have little knowledge about it but why?
I read some info about the patch and ccp seems to think that they have a good excuse for loading up a buggy patch because the playerbase on singularity is small... well you know what... TOO BAD if you can't find the holes DON'T BRING it to the live side until you can FIX IT 100% IN TEST FIRST I would NEVER EVER do that whether its for gaming or as a real tangible product I always do tests myself or with people who do not pay for it or those who do not depend on it.
I may have only paid for my first month... but I am getting a very bad taste of EVE with all its bugs... the first week I came we had wallet issues and now this? Shoulda stayed with jumpgate with crappy graphics and excellent server speeds small community etc etc :)
I know ccp can do better than this... look at blizzard, they have just as many players if not more or less. I don't know who else to compare ccp to because the other MMOs are not the same. And actually blizzard and CCP can't be compared because blizzard uses too many servers.
Anyway... it seemed to me EVE worked fine all day yesterday and I couldn't play because I was on detail obligations yesterday and now I come to play this morning to only get disconnected 4 times in a row during login to only find out the server goes down then I finally get on to see players in an uproar about the market.
If I have to put up with this until Friday you know what that means? One less player to lag this fubar system!
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Hauling
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:31:00 -
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The problem here is that if you are a good 'clicker', good gamer, and train it wisely, in couple months youll be runing lvl 4 agent missions and trust me, if you are a caldari playing caldari you will get screwed down in yer dark button.
You will *NOT* be able to play properly. You will *NOT* be able to have fun at all.
So whats the point?
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Ashareth
Caldari Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.03.22 22:03:00 -
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I, for one, wouldn't trust CCP on any agent move...
Early in the beginning of my carrier, i was bored by the lag in the places where i was doing missions(core of Caldari State) and i searched a place where i(and my brother and friend i'm playing with) could settle and not being harassed by lag or too much players.
We found a constellation with one very good qual lvl 2 combat agent(yes we were doing lvl 2 at this time), one very good lvl 3, and 2 poor lvl 4 agents, one from the same corp, one from another one.
This corp is Cal Nav. At that time we were more oriented Spacelane Patrol, but we worked our standings to have access to them, and started missioning there, in our own quiet piece of space(we were never more than 40 in local so great nearly no lag and so on).
Then, come the time when CCP finally realized that the Caldari Core was blobbed, specially because of the agent density, and the multiple high qual and high level fight and courrier agents near starting systems, so they decided to move agents...
With their "oh so great" intelligence and cleverness, they choose to add TWO(yes TWO) lvl 3 qual 0 and 15 fight level agent RIGHT in the same station in the system i was missioning(if you read me, you know there was already one of this kind of agent here).
The two agents were coming from two of the more crowded systems at that time.... And it was not enough, they put two lvl 3 courrier agents there(high qual too, coming from crowded systemes too) and two lvl 4 courier agents at one jump.
So we jumped from 30/40 people in local to 100/150 then 200/250 at all times. :( Nearly all the old mission runners there petitionned it(it was obious it would not solve anything, juste ruin the experience from those that had CHOSEN to came here before) to have the new agents reloacated, and at least spreaded around different systems.
Nothing was done, and now it's nearly as laggy as Motsu.
It's hard to have so much agents in Caldari State and seeing that most of them end ups in the same systems or really close one to another.
I know a LOT of systems near my base of operation with one or two agent lvl 3/4 in them, not nearly 10 now in my system, it would have been better with agents spreaded everywhgere, it would have ease the charge on the nodes, made people to spread over space and change the market, and would'nt have made all people(combat mission runners, courier mission runners, producers, miners, trades and so on) all come in the same system.
The same was done to Motsu.
Right now i'm ****** and i know it. I'll work to Cal faction 7.0 to have access to all lvl 4 agents and run them to have enough standing for each corp, but then i'm out of here, going into Minmatar or Amarr space.:D
Oh and there is A LOT of reasons for the multiple caldaris, one of them is that it's ALWAYS and for years the first race. When you stay on beginner channel and you ask why they choose caldari, 3 times on 4 it's because they picked up "the first without reading". The other big winner is Gallente, cause "the chick on the picture looks hot". To reduce lag it's simple : - make a random for race order in creation screen(with caldari as last for at least 6 months) - move agents to spread them all over systems and not all in the same ones - seed as much stations and agents for gallente/amarr/minmatar as Caldari(and not cal agents= gallente+amarr+minmatar agents). With that lag will be greatly reduced and population spread all over empire which would ease the task on the nodes and would allow to divert more power on other nodes when needed, and would lessen the importance of systems like jita. I guess that CCP doesn't want it since it has been suggered in petitions at least a dozen times by mission runners in my system, and i think there was a thread on this nearly one year ago...:( (Oh and moving to low sec/00 is NO solutions to lag making mission running in high sec impossible....It's something you can choose to do but it's no solution.. :() ------------------------------------------------
"Heaven is for the Dead Hell is for the Living"
Harrisson Flowerchild AndromFde |
Elain Reverse
Caldari Shokei
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Posted - 2007.03.23 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59 The lag has improved immensely since the last few patche's to be fair, some place's do get heavier load's because they share the same node's but is to be expected. Have you optimised your client and done all the thing's to reduce lag/delay's etc? I can fly through empire and do whatever and the ONLY system that bother's my comp is jita, but that is because everyone decides to huddle in the same spot, cloggin up the system.
Instead of moaning how the game won't bend to yourd emand's, how about adapting a little (shock horror ) and moving to a better system/less people/new area/whatever. Or you could even join a 0.0 corp (onoes) and do the mission's there which are far better and have pretty much zero lag.
Bottom line is don't whine about the problem if your'e unwilling to help with the solution
I changed my agent 4 times, all of them became more laggy after some time. Yes most of us changed everything possible to reduce lags, but we cant do anything with server side latency. Why would someon new or someon with industrial alt go to 0.0, not mentioning geting standing with some corporations, not mentioning training with expensive implants ? And or flying faction ship with faction fiting.
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Ashareth
Caldari Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.03.23 08:02:00 -
[60]
Oh and one last thing when i still have it in mind, it would be nice of all those low sec pirates and 00 npc *****s who suggest that we should move to low sec/00 to remember their beginning, when as nearly everybody, they started their living on mission running and made their first hundred milions on it.
Not everybody can play frequently and long enough to join a 00 corp/alliance(i could have done it a long time ago to join friends but one of my main problem is rl life issues that makes that i can play 10h a day during hollidays but could be unable to play more than 30min a day for weeks/months, and most of the time it's inaceptable for a 00 corp/alliance and will get me booted[at least the interessting ones] and it's not really viable in low sec/00 like that, unless you are playuing 2+ account at the same time, to have scout/tacler and co for pvp...Not everybody is.)
Oh and realize that a strong part of high end mission runners are 00 denizens alt account to gain money easily and fast when they are at war or broken due to pvp..
Everybody needs missions to be fixed, not only missions *****s like us( :D ) but pvpers and co. Oh and most of all, the little things called "faction/officers modules" that you are dropping in 0.0 are mostly sold in Empire to mission runners(and it's hardes and hardest cause implants and faction ships that are mission runners income are badly nerfed for some time and sell to 1/3 of their value...:/) and the day where there is no more high sec mission runners, or they can't have a real income on it you'll stop to sell them, and hence is far less richer. The same way for minerals... Even if they are used a lot in 00 economy(cap ships constructions and co), sometimes in pvp, empire is one HUGE part of your income... Think about it before making comments. ------------------------------------------------
"Heaven is for the Dead Hell is for the Living"
Harrisson Flowerchild AndromFde |
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.03.23 13:11:00 -
[61]
Edited by: RaSTa J0NeS on 23/03/2007 13:10:21 myself, after loosing my rigged/t2 raven for lag, i have finaly gave up on missioning. back to 0.0 gonna ratt for living, which is hard as it can be but at least iam close to my alliance, to my friends. they petiion gave it back to me but yes i did repackage a rigged raven, even lost insurance, but i hate bad memories so...
And then after all this i ask (because i refuse to read dev blob crap): what are they saying they gonna do about it? is there any hope in the end of the tunnel?
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UMEE
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Posted - 2007.03.25 05:41:00 -
[62]
yea, bump as well.
i just returned to the game (after a 6 month break) and running lvl1 missions in Caldari State is ridiculously choppy for me.
i used to be able to run EVE no prob... but now it's many times slower. what up wit dat?
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Mal Renolds
Caldari Team America World Cops
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Posted - 2007.03.28 08:18:00 -
[63]
There is something esp wrong with the Lag in the motsu saila area This Lag wasnt this bad around RMR . If you are a say like myself a older person who just wants to play for 2 3 hours then 0.0 isnt a option
Ive played in 0.0 and its a time sink best for people with a very very understanding wife , A maid and not much going on at work . Eve is a game and the hard core gamers tend to not see the point of some of us mission runners hell some of these missions are 4 5 hours alone which is more time than i want to spend online sometimes
There is a issue in caldari space and nothing is being done about it
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CurryFunt
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Posted - 2007.03.28 08:30:00 -
[64]
/bump
Worse since the latest patch, each patch has progressivly made these systems worse. Please fix CCP :)
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.03.28 14:23:00 -
[65]
/bump
Because iam killing unbountied drones instead of guristas and not being able to finish my LP goal.
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Avid Amari
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Posted - 2007.03.28 14:58:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Avid Amari on 28/03/2007 14:58:58 This single server crap sure shows now.
Why do you think NO other mmorpg game masters out there made a single server for their game?
Because international internet infrastructure is FAR from perfect and fluctuates, or the perfect option is prohibitively expensive. They built this server and calculate its load only by the NUMBERS ALONE in a perfect setting LOL. Kinda like: ok w have 30k players online, each requiring 15 kb/s transfer rate, that adds up to 450Mb link. Great lets get that and start the monster up. WHAA? What happened to overkill LOL, get a freaking 1 Gb link and whatnot. Allways get better equipment and/or service YOU THINK you require. But all this power is nothing without a great ISP with an awesome switch in their datacenter.
Cant you make 5 server hubs worldwide that interlink on a central server farm via satelite connection?
Well by todays standards CCP is doing great, concidering technology available. If this game expands any more (numbers of players), curent players are gonna find it more and more difficult to keep a cool nerve. You gonna see many more rants and complaints, and some players will even leave the game. i was reall close when I had disconnect issues whom by the way magically solved out by themself.
I said then, I rather have lag than disconnect every 5 minutes.
But Ill say this again: PAYING service should be worthy of being a paid service, otherwise there are a lot of games out there that are free and have no such issues. Sure we wont be playing a space mmorpg, but hey its free and without issues. SIMPLE
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Mal Renolds
Caldari Team America World Cops
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Posted - 2007.03.31 05:36:00 -
[67]
/bump
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Xeat Norwal
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Posted - 2007.03.31 12:15:00 -
[68]
/bump, I have optimized my setup.
I have played w/ the settings until I'm blue in the face. None of these things really make a difference.
Granted my system may be dated, p4 2.8 w/ 2gb ram, nvidia fx 5200. On 3meg cable connection.
Everytime they've patch some other issues comes up. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
Any attempts to report problems gets you a generic reply.
How about today?! Sit at the login screen that says 'aquiring bulk data'
15 minutes in fact, next screen to pop up
Connection to server lost.
See yall in a couple of years.. maybe
Account canceled
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.03.31 22:20:00 -
[69]
Bump , b/c last night @ 4AM est in Laah only 50 ppl in local ..lag was so bad my Shield Booster that I just tapped on and off, would not go off until all my Cap was empty on my CNR .. 2min reloading times for missiles .. all during a mission
CCP how about a reply...
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Garimpeira
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Posted - 2007.04.02 12:55:00 -
[70]
Originally by: F90OEX CCP how about a reply...
theres only two possible reasons why they wont reply:
1) They wanna control the "everybd loves Caldari Navy" thing and force people to leave the area
2) They dont wanna put extra bandwidth for us
Either way, it suck.
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BuyerSeler
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Posted - 2007.04.04 18:26:00 -
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Hey Heyyyy!!!! How about some bandwidth for SAILAg my dears!? Cant play with that not even if i try!
to the t.o.p
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Rhovana
Dziarskie Chwaty
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Posted - 2007.04.04 18:47:00 -
[72]
signed/
Its great that i have drake on passive to lvl 4 missions... i died once on active and that was enough. SAILAG is worst system i've seen. Reloading take 5 minutes, one by one
2007.04.04 18:27:44 Notify The item is being transferred to the Drake. Please wait for the transfer to complete.
i have no idea why is so great, quite depresive when u traing make something and this take u couple of hours without effect...
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Visionsz
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2007.04.05 21:38:00 -
[73]
It's a bloody joke, can't reload missiles, can't activate modules... why bother :/
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.04.05 21:39:00 -
[74]
LOL Motsulag.
Hey CCP can i have what i pay for so i can finish this?
thnx!
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.04.06 12:33:00 -
[75]
still waiting .. for a reply.
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BuyerSeler
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Posted - 2007.04.06 16:15:00 -
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HEY %$&@*#! CAN WE HAVE ¿%$! SAILA WORKING OR STOP SENDIN US THERE DAMN IT
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.04.14 15:22:00 -
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Well can i have any bandwidth so i can finish this loot and get the hell out of Motsu? isnt working.
/bump
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.04.16 02:12:00 -
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/bump
SAILA isnt working.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.16 08:18:00 -
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You know guy's, aside from the stuff previously mentioned, and i don't know where the 0.0 becoming a time sink came from, it's easier out there in empire btw, that area may be unfortunate enough to be on the same node as a heavily contested area of space somewhere in eve. Large war is raging in eve atm and large battle's rocking evrywhere, all the performance in the world won't held if it share's the same node as a huge capital battle/fleetfight at the time.
If it's STILL really bad, why are you still there? I personally suggested some other stuff you could do earlier in this thread but it seem's the general consensus is i don't want to, the game should revolve around me, i refuse to adapt. When i lived in empire a LONG time ago, i was based in luminaire for awhile, doin lv3 missions like a happy little bunny, but as the population grew, so did the lag. Then macro farmer's moved in and i didnt like it, so i, gasp, moved .
Seriously, mix it up if it's that bad, don't just sit there complaining about it, do some 0.0 ratting. Fit a cloak on it, have an alt scout and you are laughing, launch some gsc in a ss and salvage and such and you will make a mint. Extremely little lag if you find your own personal spot. But i want to do mission's? Ok, sure, but why don't you mix it up a little until they fix it, sitting there in heavy lag demanding they answer you is abit pompous, no offense. Go to stain, curse or whatever, join a local corp and do mission's out there. Jump clone's mean you can switch between all area's of the universe in an instant so once setup, it's hardly an issue
Once you get a grip's with the basic's which your corp mate's will help you with, you'll wonder why you ever stayed in filthy empire, Mission's are better, reward's are better, money is better, and the only price you have to pay is to be alert and nt be stupid, which unfortunately seem's to be empire autopilot unfortunately.
I'll quote it because it is true: 'Those who fail to adapt become victim's of evolution'
BoB vs the coalition of family value's |
RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59 You know guy's, aside from the stuff previously mentioned, and i don't know where the 0.0 becoming a time sink came from, it's easier out there in empire btw, that area may be unfortunate enough to be on the same node as a heavily contested area of space somewhere in eve. Large war is raging in eve atm and large battle's rocking evrywhere, all the performance in the world won't held if it share's the same node as a huge capital battle/fleetfight at the time.
If it's STILL really bad, why are you still there? I personally suggested some other stuff you could do earlier in this thread but it seem's the general consensus is i don't want to, the game should revolve around me, i refuse to adapt. When i lived in empire a LONG time ago, i was based in luminaire for awhile, doin lv3 missions like a happy little bunny, but as the population grew, so did the lag. Then macro farmer's moved in and i didnt like it, so i, gasp, moved .
Seriously, mix it up if it's that bad, don't just sit there complaining about it, do some 0.0 ratting. Fit a cloak on it, have an alt scout and you are laughing, launch some gsc in a ss and salvage and such and you will make a mint. Extremely little lag if you find your own personal spot. But i want to do mission's? Ok, sure, but why don't you mix it up a little until they fix it, sitting there in heavy lag demanding they answer you is abit pompous, no offense. Go to stain, curse or whatever, join a local corp and do mission's out there. Jump clone's mean you can switch between all area's of the universe in an instant so once setup, it's hardly an issue
Once you get a grip's with the basic's which your corp mate's will help you with, you'll wonder why you ever stayed in filthy empire, Mission's are better, reward's are better, money is better, and the only price you have to pay is to be alert and nt be stupid, which unfortunately seem's to be empire autopilot unfortunately.
I'll quote it because it is true: 'Those who fail to adapt become victim's of evolution'
Didnt even read it all. Dude you can stfu or go crazy i dont care plus u can noob flame this crap i also dont give a lil piece of damn for ya so you can keep up with yer bs replies but you better get used with this cause doenst matter what a hamster like you think, the complaint will keep on.
doesnt like it? dont see it. or do and get cum'ed.
you can flame now, iam hot no worries
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Bob Farsenbruck
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Posted - 2007.04.17 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Bob Farsenbruck on 17/04/2007 11:01:43 I was a mission runner to get ISK to do PVP in motsu, but i gotten upset by lag. I spend my lp with caldari navy, and i move to another system to run lvl4 missions out of caldari space. There are a lot of agents out of caldari space, and i prefer a worse agent that a region with lag.
Then, solution. Find another caldari agent for run lvl 4 missions out of lag, its possible doing lvl4 missions without lag.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.18 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear Still think they should implement the idea I posted in the game development forum that got no response...
Change agents to all be of the same quality (start off poor), then their quality increases with the experience you develop with them (note that this shouldn't diminish if you cash in LPs).
Then there's no need for every Caldari agent mission runner to cram into 3 systems and it could reduce the lag as players could be spread out all over caldari space.
/Signed
Same idea expressed below,
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=506421&page=1#1 -AS |
RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.04.25 20:12:00 -
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Waw... bump? Cant even walk
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Bowlance
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Posted - 2007.04.26 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rhovana Edited by: Rhovana on 04/04/2007 18:47:56 signed/
Its great that i have drake on passive to lvl 4 missions... i died once on active and that was enough. SAILAG is worst system i've seen. Reloading take 5 minutes, one by one
2007.04.04 18:27:44 Notify The item is being transferred to the Drake. Please wait for the transfer to complete.
2007.04.04 18:49:28 Notify An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed.
i have no idea why is so great lag, quite depresive when u trying make something and this take u couple of hours without effect...
I have this same issue doing missions from Koroma in the Lonetrek region. I've had times where modules didn't reload, or activate, no matter how many times I clicked or used the hotkey shortcuts. I've noticed sometimes where I have to manually dump missiles into each launcher one by one to force them to reload, or other times where all that "pretty" stuff on the screen occludes the mission objectives (ie; a huge white cloud, with hidden buildings somewhere inside it)
I also have problems with the session management not linking between different states, where I jump from one system to the next, and then it doesn't notice the transition, and I'm stuck unless I login. Very annoying when it's 12+ jumps and you come back to a blank screen.
I've also had problems with too many enemies firing at me at the same time, causing it to lag, and stutter until I zoom way way out to stop the turrent affects from crippling me from doing anything.
In regards to all those people saying 0.0 is safer/better than empire. Put a sock in it. This is about missions, not PVP.
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Naverum
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Posted - 2007.05.07 08:02:00 -
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What can I say. I hate lag. I have to bump this.
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:07:00 -
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ZOMGWTFPWNED BY LAG
BUMPAGE
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Horatio Nately
Caldari 808 Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Frug Motsu is worse than Jita.
Good place to sell rig parts but I refuse to go near it or saila.
QFT. Having 30 sec reload cycles and 20 sec mod activation time sucks for missioning. Can we get some node reinforcement please?
It has been like this for the last 3 days ---------------------------------------
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coolruningc
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:42:00 -
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Nods is head this system is wors then jitta needs new severs now the lag starts at 200 people. The agents are all in same system up gade the sever so it can suppot 800 people please we beg you.
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Dhejay Centrix
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:51:00 -
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There are currently 235 people in local as I write this. This really is unnaceptable, my torps are not firing and apparently i've been taking hits on armour but my shield was still showing as having hp. Nearly killed by lag for the nth time today. Missions given by agents in motsu need to spawn further away and definately NOT in motsu itself. Please can we have some help here, and not help that involves changing game mechanics so people just don't run missions any more.
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:07:00 -
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I really dont understand how can this be. I mean, the system isnt even loading, i undock and nothing but balck screen.
wtf is going on with this? the only thing you can get from this is:
1) CCP dont gives a fek about caldari mission runners 2) CCP actually is making this happening or not helpin it trying to 'unpopulate' it (another great user strategy) 3) People loosing ships and not even being able to play and cause they are such lazy they dont even complain.
Whatever it is, its just pathetic
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RaSTa J0NeS
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:25:00 -
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/bumpage for those who are in the living hell now
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Parnel McGruder
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Posted - 2007.05.16 21:52:00 -
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Far too much lag. This is one of the MOST EXPENSIVE MMRPGs on the market yet the game plays like a crappy unfinished test server.
Account cancelled.
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Zeko Rena
Caldari Tangent Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.17 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zeko Rena on 17/05/2007 01:10:00 It used to be alot worse, i used to do level 3 missions in kusommon or somthing like that, and they were close to impossible, but now i hardly ever lag there, although that agent sucks now haha.
And im on ****ty nz broadband :)
Christ they nerfed my sig again... <br> How lame, its not like you guys host the file, 24KB is like one pixel
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Xplained
Caldari Ticon Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.17 09:57:00 -
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Yeah can we please have this fixed please..
I stopped doing caldari L4 missions because of the lag associated with Motsu, Salia and aramachi.
I turned to amarr, it's impossible to run for the highest quality security agent's in amarr navy because of the pirate alliance in sahtogas, they probe out your missions, etc..
now back in SaiLAG, plz can we have these few systems reinforced, like the dev's do for BOB!!
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Travissienna
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Posted - 2007.05.18 00:56:00 -
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i am realy bored from it to, at least i manage to reach 500k+ lp with toras, well she keep giving +5 charisma implant pffers but well thats another issue, the real fact is trying to doing missions in salia, motsu, laah is like shaving a monkey with a screwdriver, well here is a suggestion about this, the cream de la cream caldari navy agents in that location so why just ccp cant move them to other systems at least with a 9j away each other so at least its reduce lag by half
ps: stupid alts
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Karl Wyvern
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Posted - 2007.05.18 18:08:00 -
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Too true the lag is crap. Lately I get a 5 second lag every 30 or so seconds, despite diffeent servers and computers. CCP need to sort this out
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Joseph Boscorelli
Caldari Collateral Damage Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.05.18 21:38:00 -
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God only knows how much time CCP spends reviewing petitions and replacing ships related to lag. I have lost several myself Motsu is bloody awful. You should be fixing this issue before you start worrying about us walking around stations. Why not give Toras Egassuo a twin 10 jumps away, I'll use her instead. I don't mind moving a short distance to reduce the lag. Come on, sort it. Bosco
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Dungheap
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.18 23:20:00 -
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this needs to be stickied, cuz every few days there's a new thread about motsu/saila lag.
ccp probly won't do anything, as problem will take care of itself once LP's get switch to corp instead of just agent.
until then you pack ur stuff and do something else or quit. it sucks and it's a damn shame ccp let the game deteriorate to this level.
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Feretic
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:22:00 -
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sticky Indeed, this is a serious matter.
Jita is freaking terrible, it took me 8 min to get into moon 4 Assembly plant.
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Crove
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Posted - 2007.05.21 20:49:00 -
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I will now have to postpone a level 4 in isinokka until just after the next downtime. Currently the system has a 15+ second lag. All other systems are smooth and flawless.
Why oh why has this not been fixed? Myself and other mission runners are missing out on millions of isk because we can't do the missions in time, not cause we lack the skills or equipment, but because it's not possible to even control our ships. When it takes 30+ seconds for my turrets to turn on or for my drones to unload I may as well just go pvp in a 300 man blob where the lag is better.
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Nikki Starcatcher
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Posted - 2007.05.21 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nikki Starcatcher on 21/05/2007 21:01:27
Originally by: Crove I will now have to postpone a level 4 in isinokka until just after the next downtime. Currently the system has a 15+ second lag. All other systems are smooth and flawless.
Why oh why has this not been fixed? Myself and other mission runners are missing out on millions of isk because we can't do the missions in time, not cause we lack the skills or equipment, but because it's not possible to even control our ships. When it takes 30+ seconds for my turrets to turn on or for my drones to unload I may as well just go pvp in a 300 man blob where the lag is better.
/signed.
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The Kinetic
Caldari Sword Production
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Posted - 2007.05.22 04:42:00 -
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CCP please add more agents to other systems so the load is spread across systems and hardware. Some systems are just unplayable atm --------
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The Kinetic
Caldari Sword Production
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Posted - 2007.05.22 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: The Kinetic on 22/05/2007 04:50:53 Oops --------
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.05.22 11:36:00 -
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I know you don't like ideas or suggestions but just to let you know, it's no lag at all in Gallente space including the lvl 4 mission hubs.
Just because you are born Caldari doesn't mean you only have to do Caldari missions, the Ravens are just as efficient in Gallente/Minmatar/Amarr missions.
Oh btw, you can get 15k+ LP per mission for the pirate factions in NPC controlled 0.0...
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Iok Sototh
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Yarek Balear Change agents to all be of the same quality (start off poor), then their quality increases with the experience you develop with them
Seems like a very nice idea, and I can't see any downsides to it. CCP may prefer to retain control over some aspects, e.g. limiting certain missions to be in low sec or 0.0, but that could be done by agent classifications, with only some types being found in certain areas, or by having agents have a 'max' quality level.
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Ender Strife
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:51:00 -
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[Quote]Originally by: fire 59
You know guy's, aside from the stuff previously mentioned, and i don't know where the 0.0 becoming a time sink came from, it's easier out there in empire btw, that area may be unfortunate enough to be on the same node as a heavily contested area of space somewhere in eve. Large war is raging in eve atm and large battle's rocking evrywhere, all the performance in the world won't held if it share's the same node as a huge capital battle/fleetfight at the time.
If it's STILL really bad, why are you still there? I personally suggested some other stuff you could do earlier in this thread but it seem's the general consensus is i don't want to, the game should revolve around me, i refuse to adapt. When i lived in empire a LONG time ago, i was based in luminaire for awhile, doin lv3 missions like a happy little bunny, but as the population grew, so did the lag. Then macro farmer's moved in and i didnt like it, so i, gasp, moved .
Seriously, mix it up if it's that bad, don't just sit there complaining about it, do some 0.0 ratting. Fit a cloak on it, have an alt scout and you are laughing, launch some gsc in a ss and salvage and such and you will make a mint. Extremely little lag if you find your own personal spot. But i want to do mission's? Ok, sure, but why don't you mix it up a little until they fix it, sitting there in heavy lag demanding they answer you is abit pompous, no offense. Go to stain, curse or whatever, join a local corp and do mission's out there. Jump clone's mean you can switch between all area's of the universe in an instant so once setup, it's hardly an issue
Once you get a grip's with the basic's which your corp mate's will help you with, you'll wonder why you ever stayed in filthy empire, Mission's are better, reward's are better, money is better, and the only price you have to pay is to be alert and nt be stupid, which unfortunately seem's to be empire autopilot unfortunately.
I'll quote it because it is true: 'Those who fail to adapt become victim's of evolution'[/Quote]
Well said.
A famous line from another MMO I play...
Learn2Play or GTFO and QQ some more.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ros'Alin Edited by: Ros''Alin on 14/02/2007 22:13:35 Ok i know that this is only another post but be sure ill keep bumpin it everyday i try to run my lvl4 missions and i cant because of UBER MASSIVE LAG.
I run lvl4 Command missions with Tora agent, at Motsu, and all those systems like Saila, Motsu, Laah, that are close eachother are just impossible to play or have any fun, so if you are not going to fix that in a long term, you better lock this post and ban me from this forum otherwise ill keep posting and complaining that iam paying not to train skills only but to PLAY the game.
Some say 'hey if you dont want lag go 0.0 dude'. Well for those i feel sorry that their are such *&¿%$ people that takes whatever they give you. (EDIT: Censored).
I pay a caldari account to play in a caldari world. Theres nothing in my EVE Contract that says i cant do it so i want it and i want it now.
PS.: If you feel the same, just bump this post. If u dont, well dont even bother replying it.
EDIT: Iam at Komo, 1 station, 51 local, and TOTAL LAG.
CALDARI HARDCORE PLAYER.
Amarr space has no lag whatsoever. :) -------------------------------------------------- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity !
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Smoky DaBud
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Posted - 2007.05.23 19:42:00 -
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Hey guys whats the deal! Motsu gets worse every day! With 160 players in local it is impossible to do anything. Jita runs well with upward of 600 players in local. Come on now. How much complaning do we have to do before motsu gets its own node? I am proud to be caldari please dont force me out of my homeland because of issues such as these! As a matter of fact I tried to leave, but when I undocked... Couldnt warp Anywhere when I undocked and could not even redock at the station. I was forced to log off. Typical day in The citadel.
My advice to anyone who can still move in motsu...Run.. Run Now as fast as you can!!!!!
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Lars Lodar
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Posted - 2007.05.24 09:41:00 -
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Sometimes Caldari Space is unbearable. I had to move away from Jita because it was getting way too much traffic. So I move to Saila which is aptly called SaiLAG. Usually the lag is a minor inconvenience which would be generous. Tonight Mostu has reached it's pinnacle of mind numbing lag. My corp mates and I were trying to run a lvl 4 like the hundreds of others who populate the system and the lag was so bad sometimes I wonder why I'm paying for this?
It must have been around 5 minutes of straight lag. And that was just to activate the warp drive to enter the mission. Which by the way I never even got to. Instead my drake warped into 'empty' space where I sat the unresponsive for another 6-10 minutes. Then I started receiving damage from an unseen enemy and I couldn't warp out or activate modules for at least another 5 minutes. I nearly lost my 100 million dollar ship and definitely my patience.
Something NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS. Instead of spending your time and OUR money developing new features, you guys at CCP need to first fix a prevalent problem that hinders gameplay at the most fundamental of levels.
This shouldn't become a race problem or reason to nerf Caldari; this is a problem of stability and CCP creating a FUN envirnoment to play in unimpeded by constant lag.
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Foppemoa
Caldari Royal Swedish Capsulers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 11:20:00 -
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I'm also quite sick of all the lagg in these systems. i hang around in Saila because i want to do CN lvl4 missions. end of story. And personally i don't find it acceptable that it sometimes takes over 30 secs to activate a module and whatnot. But everytime you start to mention it you always get the same fanboy answers like: "move to another system", "change corp", "move to 0.0, lol" etc. etc. etc. Well congrats, you just made up your own crappy solution to a service we are paying for and should be fixed. And yes, i have been in 0.0 chaining BS spawns and corp fights. But after i while a got bored of that too and wanted to vary my gameplay with some empire mission running again. But even in the holy and almighty 0.0 space there where times with extreme lagg.
Here is a silly and generally crappy comparison story:
What if the electricity company you are using couldn't deliver poperly too your apartment. Every 10 seconds you get major fluctuations so that the lights flicker and your computer restarts. And then when you complain about it you just get a response saying that you should move because there is too many people living in your general area. - "but... but.. i live here, pay my bills and it's close to work" - "well, live with it or stop complaining" - "..."
(note that this isn't aimed at the gm's but towards all the fanboys)
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:38:00 -
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I have filed many petitions about the massive lag in The Citidel (Saila, Aramachi, Motsu, Laah), and the responses back we NOT encourging. Sure, whomever responded back were polite, but they offered nothing but the standard "We are working on it". From what I'm hearing from long time vets of this game, CCP is NOT going to do anything about this lag. I signed up for a year, and now I'm regretting it. I'm actually in conversation with my CC company about getting some of my cash back. If they can make this happen, then I will surely leave until (if) this lag issues is resolved.
CCP, get off the wallet and upgrade!!! When I signed up, nothing in my contract said I would have to deal with such huge lag. I have a 10meg down, 1meg out cable connection, so don't even go there with the "check your connection" statement. I play other online games and have ZERO problems.
We just want this fixed. Sure, we're upset, but it is because you haven't done anything about the lag except to make it worse. Eve is a great game, but your making it horrible by not addressing the lag. I'll take a lag free universe rather than the ability to walk around a station. Keep your priorities straight and true, deal with the current problems before you create more...
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Getschi
Mining and Trading Corp Old Merchant's Club
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:42:00 -
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Go to an other Agent!
There are soo many other good Agents in Space!
Why all Guys must fly for Caldari Navy???
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Foppemoa
Caldari Royal Swedish Capsulers Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Getschi Go to an other Agent!
There are soo many other good Agents in Space!
Why all Guys must fly for Caldari Navy???
*sigh*
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Crove
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Posted - 2007.05.29 21:31:00 -
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Why must everyone fly for caldari navy? A mongoloid ****** could see it in a fraction of a second. The navy issue raven is just about the best PvE ship in the game. Since CCP wubs missiles SOOO much for PvE and makes it so that a few hundred k in missiles handily outdoes the DPS of a few million in gunnery, that 7th slot on a BS ship makes it uber. Thus, those of us who really have no use for LP have an easy way to convert 500k-600k LP into 600-700M.
CCP COULD just fix racial balance, but that's a lot of work. So until they do, I'd prefer if they would just do whatever they need to do to fix the lag in the caldari state.
As far as the fellow who would like me to go to 0.0, I spend quite a bit of time there, as a matter of fact. The simple fact is that empire is more profitable for me, at a rate of 5-7M per hour, which is really quite a significant bit. Since I run missions to fund my PvPing, it's important that missions pay as much as they can so I can spend as much time as I can fighting in 0.0. Your suggestion is simply a CCP cop out and it's not going to stop me from asking CCP to just do their job and create a STABLE game world.
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Dacari
Lerx
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Posted - 2007.06.01 12:52:00 -
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Im An Intaki and I fly the Navy Mega for the mission's in Motsu, Saila and Aramachi.. Yeah I guess I was a bad boy when I started as I was not able to use any agents cept Caldari.. Ifully understand the lag promblems in this area.. Moving Agents will only move the mission runners and the lag to the next system so in my mind theres only one way to fix this..
Let the agent quality rise as your standings with the agent rise's.. So lets say every 15 missions you would increase the agent quality by a point or 2 depending on the Q lvl of the agent you start with.. this would allow players to use any agent in eve and work that agent to a high Q agent... This is the only way to not have 100 mission being run in the same system or atleast give us an option to move to a lesser Q agent knowing we can make that agent better..
As for others saying go PVP or go to 0.0 I've been there and let me say something your not willing to say.. The lag in 0.0 is worse then the lag in Emp!!! Plus chaining belt rats and sitting at gates for hours on end is no way to play a game lol..
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.01 13:39:00 -
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The fact is everyone has to stick with only ONE agent because LP are agent related. Don't you see the LP shop coming to ease you and allow you to move to other agent without leaving the LP behind? This just means they are working on something to help in this issue.
Also, don't compare too much a trade system (jita) and mission systems, it's not really the same activity, missions seems to eat much ressources.
I hope rev 2 helps you to move on other (new?) agents not too far the actual systems you are in. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Happy owner of a Vexor Navy Issue and few ishkurs. The Vexor Navy Issue is much more fun than the Myrmidon ! |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.03 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana I know you don't like ideas or suggestions but just to let you know, it's no lag at all in Gallente space including the lvl 4 mission hubs.
Just because you are born Caldari doesn't mean you only have to do Caldari missions, the Ravens are just as efficient in Gallente/Minmatar/Amarr missions.
Oh btw, you can get 15k+ LP per mission for the pirate factions in NPC controlled 0.0...
There's none in several of the L4 agents in The Forge either. My corp has three people running L4 missions in The Forge and another contact doing the same. That's four people running L4 missions in different systems within The Forge and not seeing any lag.
I know some people aren't going to like this but the fact of the matter is that it's only some agents within Caldari space that have problems. Although it'd be nice to have a proper fix from CCP for now people should just accept the limitation and relocate. Anyone running missions in Motsu, Saila and surrounding areas is beating their head against a wall and since that wall doesn't look like being removed any time soon they just stop doing it and move away.
You've had four months to realise what the situation was and if you continue to hang out there you have only yourselves to blame. Yes you paid your sub and yes you have the right to run the agent of your choice but if you choose to run an overscubscribed agent in the most crowded part of the map you have to accept the consequences. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Myfanwi
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Posted - 2007.06.04 13:07:00 -
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The solution would seem to be spreading out the Lvl4s across systems, but you also need to look at the load being placed on certain corps thanks to the CNR issue. I'd say compare LPs for CalNav compared to other Caldari corps (say) and ratio up the LvL4 agents for CalNav in accordance with this. IMO there are far too many CNRs around at the moment - faction BS's should be an exclusive item, yet it is a rare day when you don't bump into one somewhere along the line.
Why not set a faction standing to be able to use them in the first place? That is, not just a standing of 8+ with Caldari navy, but also with Caldari State...would shift peeps across to other corps as well to build that standing? A thought mebe? Those already with a CNR, who would then not be able to fly them, would either have a shed-load of cash at hand, or a mighty fine PvE ship to use in the future.
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Garan Tormas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.04 15:04:00 -
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Bump. So, I am in Motsu. I'd love to go out and run "The Assault" for my nice little agent. But considering it took five MINUTES just to undock, that ain't going to happen. It was appalling at the weekend, and it's still bloody awful today (Monday). There were ~200 people in the system.
And this is absolutely 100% a server-side problem. If I switch to e.g. Minmatar-space, whee! everything is peachy.
As has been flogged to death in this thread already, please either spend some quality time optimizing your code (if that is an option), add more hardware (if that is an option), or spread the Caldari Navy agents out (which definitely is an option). Surely moving them around isn't *that* difficult???
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Myfanwi
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Posted - 2007.06.04 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Garan Tormas Bump. So, I am in Motsu. I'd love to go out and run "The Assault" for my nice little agent. But considering it took five MINUTES just to undock, that ain't going to happen. It was appalling at the weekend, and it's still bloody awful today (Monday). There were ~200 people in the system.
And this is absolutely 100% a server-side problem. If I switch to e.g. Minmatar-space, whee! everything is peachy.
As has been flogged to death in this thread already, please either spend some quality time optimizing your code (if that is an option), add more hardware (if that is an option), or spread the Caldari Navy agents out (which definitely is an option). Surely moving them around isn't *that* difficult???
It could be argued that wtf is a Minitart character doing missions for a Caldari Navy agent in the first place?
Lets get the faction standing rule in place so we can remove the unclean from our space LOL.
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Crove
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Posted - 2007.06.04 18:58:00 -
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Once again, he's doing them for the Caldari because the CNR is such a super dee duper PvE ship. There is no other ship that can be as effective and as skillpoint efficient. As a Gallente with 10M+ now in a tech 2 fitted hyperion, my friend with 4M or so in a plain old Raven can still out-DPS me. It'll be scary when his skills get all the way up there. Ofc, I still have plenty of room for improvement, but the fact of the matter is that I was not cruising through 4's with ease when I had 4M SP's, because rails need a lot more SP in them to be effective than missiles.
So, either spread the Caldari agents out since they are the master race anyway, or make some missile boats for the other factions -- heck, you made a railboat for the Caldari. Or just beef up the nodes, if coding time is at such a premium.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.04 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Garan Tormas Bump. So, I am in Motsu. I'd love to go out and run "The Assault" for my nice little agent. But considering it took five MINUTES just to undock, that ain't going to happen. It was appalling at the weekend, and it's still bloody awful today (Monday). There were ~200 people in the system.
And this is absolutely 100% a server-side problem. If I switch to e.g. Minmatar-space, whee! everything is peachy.
As has been flogged to death in this thread already, please either spend some quality time optimizing your code (if that is an option), add more hardware (if that is an option), or spread the Caldari Navy agents out (which definitely is an option). Surely moving them around isn't *that* difficult???
It must be - you think CCP are stringing this along just for kicks? They don't like the lag in those systems any more than you and would surely have fixed it by now if they could.
Unfortunately I suspect there is no solution people like you just keep flocking to those systems in the mistaken belief that it's the only way to get a CNR and heaven forbid that you take an extra couple of days to get it by finding a quieter agent of lower quality
Getting off your arse and moving is even easier and we know that will work and can be completed within a day. If you've been running L4 for one Caldari corporation you can probably run them for any Caldari corporation (and yes you'll still get your CNR). Just pick up your stuff and move.
* You don't need to run Caldari Navy to get a CNR. * You don't need to put up with lag just because you run missions in Caldari space.
The time 'wasted' relocating will probably be paid back to you in reduced hassle and time saved fighting lag and its effects.
As I wrote earlier:You are at least half of the problem. Stop waiting for CCP to sort it out and fix it yourself. You have the tools, now you have the knowledge. All that remains is for you to make the effort. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Andrue
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Originally by: Crove Once again, he's doing them for the Caldari because the CNR is such a super dee duper PvE ship. There is no other ship that can be as effective and as skillpoint efficient. As a Gallente with 10M+ now in a tech 2 fitted hyperion, my friend with 4M or so in a plain old Raven can still out-DPS me. It'll be scary when his skills get all the way up there. Ofc, I still have plenty of room for improvement, but the fact of the matter is that I was not cruising through 4's with ease when I had 4M SP's, because rails need a lot more SP in them to be effective than missiles.
So, either spread the Caldari agents out since they are the master race anyway, or make some missile boats for the other factions -- heck, you made a railboat for the Caldari. Or just beef up the nodes, if coding time is at such a premium.
But how does that make any sense? You run L4 missions for months in order to get a ship to run them better? The CNR isn't that much better than the standard. I can make 20mil an hour with a standard Raven.
By the time you've earned the points for that offer you already have a ship, modules and expertise that:
a)makes it unneccessary to use a CNR yourself. b)makes the money made from selling the CNR pretty irrelevant.
Factor in all the irritation and angst that comes from people slavishly running CN missions in laggy systems and I have to say I don't understand any of it. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Posted - 2007.06.04 19:25:00 -
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You're right, it IS unnecessary. You are also correct on the count that by the time you get one, you will definitely have a pile of SP.
If you had to pick one "navy issue" ship to use, what would it be and what would you use it for? If you use it for PvP, that's really quite silly, unless you are so rich you can just buy navy issues whenever you want (must be nice). So what else do you use it for? PvE. Now you will always have some that choose other navy issues simply to be different, but the simple fact remains that the CNR is the premier mission runner.
Why would a non-carebear care? For combat pilots, mission running is a pretty good way to replace your ship. In the course of building isk for another fleet mega, I've gotten 3 named and a whole pile of standard 425mm's, named istabs, 1600mm RRT's, etc. that now I won't have to buy. If I could run these missions in anything, I'd pick a CNR, because as you pointed out, even the normal raven is an amazing mission runner, and the faster I run missions the faster I get back in the action (whew, sorry for the run-on).
So again, either give other races missileboats, move the caldari agents around (and I know you don't have to do Caldari Navy, I run for a diff. caldari corp and even "off the beaten path" the lag is terrible sometimes with 20 ppl in local or less, due to the node system). This will let Caldari RPers like Ros'Alin that want to play caldari do so, and the rest of us who just want to get an equally good reward go off to less inhabited space to do so.
There's a reason there's almost 80mil in isk difference between CNR and Navy Mega right now.
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Bumping this thread as a precaution.
I don't do lvl4 missions yet, and I ain't in Caldari space. But I'm afraid that if this is a problem today (and has been for a long time), it might become a problem in other regions as well.
I mean, the increase of population in EVE have been skyrocketing the last two years, and I am pretty sure this increase will continue... Thus creating more lag, and possibly in other systems, since many will read up on where it's good to start, and then "clog" other regions...
My two cents.
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Edited by: Tragoth on 05/06/2007 09:02:21 Saila/Motsu/Aramachi all laggy beyond belief (although aramachi isn't bad some days). Everyone in my corp was a mission runner for the Caldari Navy, but we recently moved to one of the Caldari police corps (i.e. Home Guard, Spacelane Patrol, Corporate Police, Peace and Order Unit, etc).
All of those corps, and there are about 8 of them, have great, high quality level 4 kill agents (Command/Security/Surveillance) in non laggy places and will still offer you a CNR for your hard earned LP. I have to say its been wonderful since moving away from Saila to a more remote system.
Best advice I could give right now, cash in your LP and move to another agent. If your a hardcore mission grinder your State rep should give you access to any Caldari LVL4 agent anyway.
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Are you guys nuts or something, there is no hardware on the client end or CCP's end, and no home connection that can coupe with 900, 800, 1000, 750 monkeys hanging on the same node at the same time doing God knows what.
This is not just a CCP's problem but also a player sensibility and sympathy problem towards CCP.
Spread out the trade hub towards more systems, make a net or something.
Everybody knows that these guys are trying to isolate some problem so why not facilitate and relieve the node?
It would be better for everyone, not just CCP but to the players also. _______________________
What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Xedrik
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Originally by: Dionisius Are you guys nuts or something, there is no hardware on the client end or CCP's end, and no home connection that can coupe with 900, 800, 1000, 750 monkeys hanging on the same node at the same time doing God knows what.
This is not just a CCP's problem but also a player sensibility and sympathy problem towards CCP.
Spread out the trade hub towards more systems, make a net or something.
Everybody knows that these guys are trying to isolate some problem so why not facilitate and relieve the node?
It would be better for everyone, not just CCP but to the players also.
Ehm... You haven't read most of this thread it seems. Even systems with under 100 pilots are lagging (not only the most populated ones, but ofc. they are a part of the problem). And, 1000 concurrent users (for one node) isn't a lot tbh. If they've built it right, they should be able to expand the node with more/better hardware that can cope with the load.
So before calling people names, read up on clusters and nodes. Because you don't seem to know how they work and how scalable they are (or at least should be). And about this being just a CCP's problem, it is. I don't see CCP paying me to fix the lag issues? However, I do pay them for a service that includes fixing bugs and lag issues. So your implication is invalid!
One last thing, if you also had read the original post, we don't want anyone posting ass kisser opinions in here! Now begone.
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Edited by: Fat Momma''San on 05/06/2007 15:39:22
Originally by: fire 59 The lag has improved immensely since the last few patche's to be fair, some place's do get heavier load's because they share the same node's but is to be expected. Have you optimised your client and done all the thing's to reduce lag/delay's etc? I can fly through empire and do whatever and the ONLY system that bother's my comp is jita, but that is because everyone decides to huddle in the same spot, cloggin up the system.
Instead of moaning how the game won't bend to yourd emand's, how about adapting a little (shock horror ) and moving to a better system/less people/new area/whatever. Or you could even join a 0.0 corp (onoes) and do the mission's there which are far better and have pretty much zero lag.
Bottom line is don't whine about the problem if your'e unwilling to help with the solution
Yeah, Join BOB, that will help stop lag. They never "huddle in the same spot, cloggin up the system".
Fire 59... get all the 0.0 alliances to limit their blobs to 100v100 battles, it'll reduce the lag and not strain the empire systems tied to where you're blobbing. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
"The only problem with an Online Community is the people" -Deus Ex Machina Developer
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