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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
209
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Posted - 2016.02.29 03:41:31 -
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One side effect of injectors is that now you can no longer estimate how dangerous someone can be based on their age.
Today I rolled into one system and found a nice level 4 unrated complex. It was low sec, but the only guy in local was less than 30 days old, an alt spy of some kind obviously.
So, I warp into the plex and see yellow cans. Hmm, that's weird, did somebody else start the site and leave? I make my way into the second room.
HOLY COW ! It's the "alt" in an Ishkur in my base killing my doodz !!!
Luckily, I was in an Ishtar, so I was wearing the daddy pants and could chase him off. I messaged him later: how is that you are a new player, but you are flying an Ishkur? (Now, I am thinking maybe it is like a dev cheating or something, hmmm....) Answer: skill injectors. The guy had a lot of bad training in his original character, so he started a brand new character and used to skill injectors to transfer all the points from his old character into his new character in a more focused manner.
Result: 8-day-old character with enough skill points to fly an Ishkur and do level 4 complexes.
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1255
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Posted - 2016.02.29 03:47:14 -
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I got into a legit 1v1 (ew, i know) with an incursus while i, too was flying an incursus. The other pilot was about 2 months old. The fight was long because we both had dual reppers, i won because my cap skills were maxed and i used an ecm drone that worked a couple times. Turned out he had meta 4 armor repper and a small ancillary, while i had the skills to run 2xT2. Fight was close because he had a clue and older pilots to listen to who told him about transversal, optimal, etc. Seen it many times, the pvp alt of a pve main who while young is actually hard as chinese algebra due to game knowledge and experience. TLDR for the livestock: age alone was never reliable intel.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3772
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Posted - 2016.02.29 03:56:56 -
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One wonders why he did not just put the SP back into the same character, just into the desired skills. That way he gets to keep 5 million SP. You only need 5.5 million SP to do the respec. Just pull out 500,000 SP, put them back where you want them, repeat until you get what you want.
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RuleoftheBone
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
33
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Posted - 2016.02.29 04:05:15 -
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Another reason to get rid of local.
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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
209
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Posted - 2016.02.29 04:11:58 -
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RuleoftheBone wrote:Another reason to get rid of local. Just sayin....
If you don't like local, you know where you can go that there is no local. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
136
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Posted - 2016.02.29 04:40:54 -
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Droidster wrote:RuleoftheBone wrote:Another reason to get rid of local. Just sayin.... If you don't like local, you know where you can go that there is no local.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
660
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Posted - 2016.02.29 04:57:53 -
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I will disregard the above poster..... for obvious reasons
This is something I said long before the change that now those day old character youd brush off as harmless will covert cyno a shitstorm onto your head faster than Ron Jeremy slaps a girls ass in a porno.... you just will never know.
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
203
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Posted - 2016.02.29 06:28:11 -
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Get rid of local? I get it! There's people who can't get this off their minds!
"If it weren't for local, nobody'd know I'm here...now I have to learn the game...phooey!"
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4774
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Posted - 2016.02.29 07:11:27 -
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Droidster wrote:One side effect of injectors is that now you can no longer estimate how dangerous someone can be based on their age.Today I rolled into one system and found a nice level 4 unrated complex. It was low sec, but the only guy in local was less than 30 days old, an alt spy of some kind obviously. So, I warp into the plex and see yellow wrecks. Hmm, that's weird, did somebody else start the site and leave? I make my way into the second room. HOLY COW ! It's the "alt" in an Ishkur in my base killing my doodz !!! Luckily, I was in an Ishtar, so I was wearing the daddy pants and could chase him off. I messaged him later: how is that you are a new player, but you are flying an Ishkur? (Now, I am thinking maybe it is like a dev cheating or something, hmmm....) Answer: skill injectors. The guy had a lot of bad training in his original character, so he started a brand new character and used to skill injectors to transfer all the points from his old character into his new character in a more focused manner. Result: 8-day-old character with enough skill points to fly an Ishkur and do level 4 complexes.
I assume you have a point here....
Oh wait, a Droidster thread, never mind.
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Shayla Etherodyne
Vikramaditya
0
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Posted - 2016.02.29 07:27:50 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:One wonders why he did not just put the SP back into the same character, just into the desired skills. That way he gets to keep 5 million SP. You only need 5.5 million SP to do the respec. Just pull out 500,000 SP, put them back where you want them, repeat until you get what you want.
You pay 500K skill point to fill a skill extractor but you get less than that number when you inject them back in. A 17 million Xp character get 400k, a 107 million xp character 150K. I have no idea if a 0 xp character get 500K xp. for sure it is not cost effective to inject them back in the old character unless he has very few XP.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
241
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Posted - 2016.02.29 08:02:23 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:One wonders why he did not just put the SP back into the same character, just into the desired skills. That way he gets to keep 5 million SP. You only need 5.5 million SP to do the respec. Just pull out 500,000 SP, put them back where you want them, repeat until you get what you want. for sure it is not cost effective to inject them back in the old character unless he has very few XP. You need at least 5.500.000 xp to use a skill extractor so you lose at least 100.000 xp when you inject them back.
For something as focused as an Ishkur pilot, using skill extractors and re-injecting would probably work out cost effective if there are no bonus remaps available.
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Remiel Pollard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7527
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Posted - 2016.02.29 08:26:39 -
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Droidster wrote:One side effect of injectors is that now you can no longer estimate how dangerous someone can be based on their age.
This has never been an accurate measure of one's ability.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5956
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Posted - 2016.02.29 08:39:48 -
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Quote:estimate how dangerous someone can be based on their age
I am old and not dangerous. Your estimates would not work for me.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
328
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Posted - 2016.02.29 08:42:07 -
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Droidster wrote:So, I warp into the plex and see yellow wrecks. Hmm, that's weird, did somebody else start the site and leave? I make my way into the second room. HOLY COW ! It's the "alt" in an Ishkur in my base killing my doodz !!!
your concern is just a small part in getting intel and most of the time irrelevant. i always assume people have more SP than me and decide to fight with their ship/fit.
the bigger concern here is why didn't you dscan before entering the second room? big fail dude.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
314
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Posted - 2016.02.29 14:04:23 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:estimate how dangerous someone can be based on their age I am old and not dangerous. Your estimates would not work for me.
Im old and cant be very dangerous BUT I prefer PVE to keep my account going to let others fund ccp screw ups like this instant gratification.
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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
212
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Posted - 2016.02.29 15:20:25 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Droidster wrote:So, I warp into the plex and see yellow wrecks. Hmm, that's weird, did somebody else start the site and leave? I make my way into the second room. HOLY COW ! It's the "alt" in an Ishkur in my base killing my doodz !!! your concern is just a small part in getting intel and most of the time irrelevant. i always assume people have more SP than me and decide to fight with their ship/fit. the bigger concern here is why didn't you dscan before entering the second room? big fail dude.
I did, I had seen the Ishkur, I just assumed it was abandoned, because I concluded that it was impossible that the 8-day-old character was flying it, and he was the only other person in the system besides me. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2635
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Posted - 2016.02.29 15:28:20 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:
your concern is just a small part in getting intel and most of the time irrelevant. i always assume people have more SP than me and decide to fight with their ship/fit.
I always assume anyone who enter system has more SP than me AND is more skilled as player than me. Mostly because i'm bad. |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
212
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Posted - 2016.02.29 15:34:55 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:
your concern is just a small part in getting intel and most of the time irrelevant. i always assume people have more SP than me and decide to fight with their ship/fit.
You assume 8-day-old players have more SP than you?
You assume 6-month-old players have more SP than you?
You assume 1-year-old players have more SP than you?
Let me tell you what I ASSUME (or at least could assume before skill injectors): if a player is less than 1 year old and I am flying a maxed out Ishtar, then I am going to rip him a new one if he tries to point me. That's what I assume, or at least used to be able to assume.
Unfortunately, that assumption is no longer true because of skill injectors, because now we can have 1-year-old characters with 100 million skill points.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2635
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Posted - 2016.02.29 15:43:46 -
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Droidster wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:
your concern is just a small part in getting intel and most of the time irrelevant. i always assume people have more SP than me and decide to fight with their ship/fit.
You assume 8-day-old players have more SP than you? You assume 6-month-old players have more SP than you? You assume 1-year-old players have more SP than you? Let me tell you what I ASSUME (or at least could assume before skill injectors): if a player is less than 1 year old and I am flying a maxed out Ishtar, then I am going to rip him a new one if he tries to point me. That's what I assume, or at least used to be able to assume. Unfortunately, that assumption is no longer true because of skill injectors, because now we can have 1-year-old characters with 100 million skill points.
And that is a bad thing? |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
329
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Posted - 2016.02.29 15:58:28 -
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Droidster wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:
your concern is just a small part in getting intel and most of the time irrelevant. i always assume people have more SP than me and decide to fight with their ship/fit.
You assume 8-day-old players have more SP than you? You assume 6-month-old players have more SP than you? You assume 1-year-old players have more SP than you? Let me tell you what I ASSUME (or at least could assume before skill injectors): if a player is less than 1 year old and I am flying a maxed out Ishtar, then I am going to rip him a new one if he tries to point me. That's what I assume, or at least used to be able to assume. Unfortunately, that assumption is no longer true because of skill injectors, because now we can have 1-year-old characters with 100 million skill points.
i don't check their DOB, i check what are they flying mostly and their fits, understand? when you are hunting or if you are plexing, things go fast and i won't waste my time checking their DOB.
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Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2016.02.29 15:59:20 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Droidster wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:
your concern is just a small part in getting intel and most of the time irrelevant. i always assume people have more SP than me and decide to fight with their ship/fit.
You assume 8-day-old players have more SP than you? You assume 6-month-old players have more SP than you? You assume 1-year-old players have more SP than you? Let me tell you what I ASSUME (or at least could assume before skill injectors): if a player is less than 1 year old and I am flying a maxed out Ishtar, then I am going to rip him a new one if he tries to point me. That's what I assume, or at least used to be able to assume. Unfortunately, that assumption is no longer true because of skill injectors, because now we can have 1-year-old characters with 100 million skill points. And that is a bad thing?
I see that as a very good thing. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
5977
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Posted - 2016.02.29 17:36:56 -
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Agondray wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:estimate how dangerous someone can be based on their age I am old and not dangerous. Your estimates would not work for me. Im old and cant be very dangerous BUT I prefer PVE to keep my account going to let others fund ccp screw ups like this instant gratification. Gratification part is horribly overrated recently.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11059
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Posted - 2016.02.29 17:55:07 -
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Droidster wrote: Let me tell you what I ASSUME (or at least could assume before skill injectors): if a player is less than 1 year old and I am flying a maxed out Ishtar, then I am going to rip him a new one if he tries to point me. That's what I assume, or at least used to be able to assume.
That's a pisspoor assumption, especially if you have no combat experience...it's much along the same lines as a newbie jumping into Egghelende that he's invincible because he's in a battleship (as I did, once upon a time).
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Terminal Insanity
Pwn 'N Play SpaceMonkey's Alliance
867
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Posted - 2016.02.29 18:41:10 -
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now we have 3 day old titan pilots, and endgame sov is fought in interceptors. Something is seriously backwards here.
But seriously, with all the hurfing over monocles, which gave no advantage whatsoever.... where is the outrage over skill injectors?
Skill injectors are the literal definition of Pay2Win, yet theres no jita statue shooting protests, like there were with the monocle.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6950
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Posted - 2016.02.29 19:02:54 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:now we have 3 day old titan pilots, and endgame sov is fought in interceptors. You should really just inject for Interceptors and small guns (or rocket/light missile). Confirmed.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
679
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Posted - 2016.02.29 19:05:37 -
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Droidster wrote: The guy had a lot of bad training in his original character
Idiot player... "bad training" there is no such thing.
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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
212
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Posted - 2016.02.29 19:08:53 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Droidster wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:
your concern is just a small part in getting intel and most of the time irrelevant. i always assume people have more SP than me and decide to fight with their ship/fit.
You assume 8-day-old players have more SP than you? You assume 6-month-old players have more SP than you? You assume 1-year-old players have more SP than you? Let me tell you what I ASSUME (or at least could assume before skill injectors): if a player is less than 1 year old and I am flying a maxed out Ishtar, then I am going to rip him a new one if he tries to point me. That's what I assume, or at least used to be able to assume. Unfortunately, that assumption is no longer true because of skill injectors, because now we can have 1-year-old characters with 100 million skill points. i don't check their DOB, i check what are they flying mostly and their fits, understand? when you are hunting or if you are plexing, things go fast and i won't waste my time checking their DOB.
Before skill injectors I only checked the kill board if the other pilot is older than 1.5 years. Anyone less than that has (or at least HAD) a low probability of creating a threat to me by themself. I suppose if you want to go "checking the fit" on every 6-month character you run across, you could do that, but for me that is a time waster.
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ugh zug
106
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Posted - 2016.02.29 20:45:49 -
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age was never really reliable form of checking sp to begin with, just saying.
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Memphis Baas
1237
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Posted - 2016.02.29 21:01:00 -
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Droidster wrote:The only guy in local was less than 30 days old, an alt spy of some kind obviously. [...] I am thinking maybe it is like a dev cheating or something. [...] I had seen the Ishkur, I just assumed it was abandoned. [...] Let me tell you what I ASSUME: if a player is less than 1 year old and I am flying a maxed out Ishtar, then I am going to rip him a new one.
Your thought processes are always fascinating, Mr. Droidster.
Interesting that you assume "devs cheating" right away, and that a maxed-out Ishtar has no counters that can be trained in less than 1 year. And also, that the guy couldn't possibly have had any friends in fleet just itching to spike local and come for you as you sat there tackled in your maxed-out Ishtar.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2145
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Posted - 2016.02.29 21:19:33 -
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Droidster wrote:
Let me tell you what I ASSUME (or at least could assume before skill injectors): if a player is less than 1 year old and I am flying a maxed out Ishtar, then I am going to rip him a new one if he tries to point me. That's what I assume, or at least used to be able to assume.
This is the kind of thing one would only assume if they had no practical PvP experience, in which case it is pretty much a sure thing that there are plenty of 1-year old, "organically grown" characters who could cheerfully disassemble your maxed-out Ishtar with about as much difficulty as tying their shoelaces.
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