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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 16:53:00 -
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I keep reading about how EvE doesn't have enough "Isk sinks" in the game. Particularly for those 0.0 corps who have isk printing machines called T2 BPOs and the ridiculous amount of isk being made in these corps isn't fair to us who want to stay in the NPC corps,cannot get recruited by such corps because of low skills or simply because we don't have the time to do mindless gate camps and corp ops which can take hours, especially during a war.
I think a 30% tax would be a good idea. This tax would be in addition to any tax the CEO has put in and the proceeds simply disapear. When you consider that BoB's slave corps already pay something like 300 million a month and are HAPPY about it. It is obvious that these players need some money taken off of their hands.
It would also narrow the gap between the casual gamer and the people who play 24/7 as they will think twice about outfitting their ships with Faction Mods and T2 equipment because their income will be a bit smaller. This will make PvP much more exciting as casual gamers would be able to go into the pvp knowing they won't need a T2 fitted ship to compete.
Of course, since there are all kinds of levels of player corps, this tax would have to vary a bit. Maybe low sec corps only pay 10% extra and Empire player corps pay and extra 5%. I will leave it up to CCP to implement that part and decide what is fair.
Thanks you.
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Shigsy
Caldari Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:01:00 -
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No No and No.
If anything, make it the completely opposite way around.
Btw, get ready to be flamed
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:01:00 -
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Um ... no.
All a 30% tax does is reduce all the ISK made by 30%. Rich players are already rich, a new 30% tax doesn't hurt them as much as new players, new players don't need to see ISK sinks - they need to see that making ISK is not a big deal so that they are more willing to go do the pew-pew and take risks.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy No No and No.
If anything, make it the completely opposite way around.
Btw, get ready to be flamed
Gee I have never been flamed before. What is it like?
"no,no and no" isn't a good enough reason either. Could you elaborate a bit on why you think it shouldn't be put in?
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Shigsy
Caldari Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Shigsy on 06/02/2007 17:03:09
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: Shigsy No No and No.
If anything, make it the completely opposite way around.
Btw, get ready to be flamed
Gee I have never been flamed before. What is it like?
"no,no and no" isn't a good enough reason either. Could you elaborate a bit on why you think it shouldn't be put in?
Sure.
CCP don't want people to hang around highsec all the time. Eve is a PVP game wether you like it or not. At the moment, highsec is already waaay to rewarding with level 4 missions. People are making billions sitting in highsec with no risk in noob empire corps.
People who go to lowsec are taking RISK, in order for some reward, which at the moment sucks(ie boost lowsec plz). By taxing people in lowsec and 0.0, just means there will be more empire *****s and you will make more money in highsec.
Eve is all about risk v reward, and your tax idea completely goes against that.
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D'an Y'eal
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: D''an Y''eal on 06/02/2007 17:09:11 Because socialism is bad m'kay?
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Adunh Slavy Um ... no.
All a 30% tax does is reduce all the ISK made by 30%. Rich players are already rich, a new 30% tax doesn't hurt them as much as new players, new players don't need to see ISK sinks - they need to see that making ISK is not a big deal so that they are more willing to go do the pew-pew and take risks.
If you need an isk sink, send me 30% of all you make, and I will put it to good use. If you don't like the idea of sending me your isk, then don't ask me to send it into the void.
Yes it would affect player corp members as they would likely fit less Faction and T2 mods on their ships and players who are stuck mining Scordite or doing lvl 3 Missions will be able to compete in PvP with them a bit better. It might even encourage more PvP as the noobs will feel more confident about the situation and take more chances.
Granted, I understand that some players are rich beyond our wildest dreams and it wouldn't affect them much but no solution is perfect. However, this is a good first step in fixing this huge imbalance.
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JeanPierre
Gallente Acheron Vanguard Armada The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:12:00 -
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Here's the plan.
Saturate the forums with one or two themes for a few months, until the Devs, who apparently do not have spines, give in and appease the whiners. After release with new "cut down the highest daisy" suggestions, acquire new target, and apply same strategy.
Over, and over, again.
Pathetic. If you don't like how others play, get therapy.
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Philo Farnsworth
Amarr Kador Development Project
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:12:00 -
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Eve is not a "pvp" game, if by that you mean player vs player ship combat in 0.0/low-sec. Eve is a sandbox, supporting a variety of different play styles. If one play style is constantly under attack in order to favor a different play style ("i r pvp god rawr!111!11!11") then the game is weaker and even more marginal than it already is.
I think the t2 monopolies should be broken up. They've been printing isk long enough. Every t2 print that's used from now on should have a 5% chance of "tearing", and being removed from the game. Enough of huge 0.0 alliances sitting and getting rich, buying up all the games resources with NO RISK. It's going to get even easier for them with constellation sovereignty, etc. Nerf t2 and nerf 0.0.
This game is fun. And by game, I mean the cyclical nerf wars on the forums.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: D'an Y'eal Because socialism is bad m'kay? To quote Mr.s Hillary Clinton re: Exxon "I want to take those profits"
So is a Dictatorship......such as trying to force people in noob corps to leave those corps with a similar such tax.
That is a little off topic though....sorry.
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Shigsy
Caldari Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Shigsy on 06/02/2007 17:12:11
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Um ... no.
All a 30% tax does is reduce all the ISK made by 30%. Rich players are already rich, a new 30% tax doesn't hurt them as much as new players, new players don't need to see ISK sinks - they need to see that making ISK is not a big deal so that they are more willing to go do the pew-pew and take risks.
If you need an isk sink, send me 30% of all you make, and I will put it to good use. If you don't like the idea of sending me your isk, then don't ask me to send it into the void.
Yes it would affect player corp members as they would likely fit less Faction and T2 mods on their ships and players who are stuck mining Scordite or doing lvl 3 Missions will be able to compete in PvP with them a bit better. It might even encourage more PvP as the noobs will feel more confident about the situation and take more chances.
Granted, I understand that some players are rich beyond our wildest dreams and it wouldn't affect them much but no solution is perfect. However, this is a good first step in fixing this huge imbalance.
Go to 0.0 for a while and those faction mods wont be too expensive for you. You're basically asking CCP to nerf 0.0, which alliances have lost LOTS of ships fighting over. It's supposed to be rich in 0.0 because you PVP'd for it. Pee Vee Pee
Join an alliance or something who operate in 0.0 and then post a topic about it.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:16:00 -
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Ya, those player corps are making too much money, I say that the empires tax any corp with offices in empire space a minimum of 30% to combat bloated ISK wallets of alliances like BoB and those pesky pirates.
If I can't make good money, no one will.
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UGWidowmaker
Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:20:00 -
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i allready pay 100% wanna take 130% ? I will make your wife/mann a widow. |
Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy Edited by: Shigsy on 06/02/2007 17:12:11
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Um ... no.
All a 30% tax does is reduce all the ISK made by 30%. Rich players are already rich, a new 30% tax doesn't hurt them as much as new players, new players don't need to see ISK sinks - they need to see that making ISK is not a big deal so that they are more willing to go do the pew-pew and take risks.
If you need an isk sink, send me 30% of all you make, and I will put it to good use. If you don't like the idea of sending me your isk, then don't ask me to send it into the void.
Yes it would affect player corp members as they would likely fit less Faction and T2 mods on their ships and players who are stuck mining Scordite or doing lvl 3 Missions will be able to compete in PvP with them a bit better. It might even encourage more PvP as the noobs will feel more confident about the situation and take more chances.
Granted, I understand that some players are rich beyond our wildest dreams and it wouldn't affect them much but no solution is perfect. However, this is a good first step in fixing this huge imbalance.
Go to 0.0 for a while and those faction mods wont be too expensive for you. You're basically asking CCP to nerf 0.0, which alliances have lost LOTS of ships fighting over. It's supposed to be rich in 0.0 because you PVP'd for it. Pee Vee Pee
Join an alliance or something who operate in 0.0 and then post a topic about it.
So what you are saying is that you don't think your play style should be nerfed?
Oh and I have been in 0.0. I have seen both sides of the fence and I can tell you that 0.0 players just make WAY too much isk and it imbalances pvp to the point where "the poor or time deprived of EvE" do not even want to participate in combat and just carebear in Empire.
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Neon Genesis
Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:21:00 -
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Why on earth would you be taxed for being in a player corp. Lets punish people for experiencing 90% of the content of the game?
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Genesis Why on earth would you be taxed for being in a player corp. Lets punish people for experiencing 90% of the content of the game?
Because they ignore that 10%, making them sub-human and requiring our abuse.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:23:00 -
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Yes instead, lets punish the people who experience 10% of the game.
Whoops!....there i go, getting off topic again.
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:26:00 -
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Click me
Not a flaming you, I seriously believe this could be more to your liking.
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Trypho
Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:28:00 -
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Just because you are poor doesn`t mean everyone should be.
Lowsec brings alot more risk than empire. You can fly a year with a battleship not getting popped in empire, while you constantly have to watch your back in lowsec. I think it`s very logical that risk brings more money.
I`d suggest you stop whining and come have fun in lowsecurity, indeed this is the place where money gets made fast, but it has a good reason for it.
Don`t take it as a flame, but the real EVE happens in lowsec, and not in empire where you rat and mine happily every day.
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Neon Genesis
Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 06/02/2007 17:27:38
Originally by: Hasak Rain Yes instead, lets punish the people who experience 10% of the game.
Whoops!....there i go, getting off topic again.
Well we know what this thread is about anyway because you post lots of repetitive posts about the subject of npc corp tax.
Also, for everyone trying to seriously debate in this thread,
Originally by: Hasak Rain I do know that half my threads are bait threads to get a rise out of people
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Black Torment
Caldari Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:31:00 -
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How do you think corps actually get isk? They pull it out of some deep secret hole in the dark recesses of 0.0?
No. They make it the good old fashioned way of hard work / luck, just like everyone else. The reason they have more isk than you is because they either work harder than you or got luckier than you.
Any money a corp gets is generated from things the players in it do or set up. Theres no automatic isk bursaries for being in a player corp.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: kublai Click me
Not a flaming you, I seriously believe this could be more to your liking.
You are so creative and clever posting a WoW link. I never seen a response like THAT before! Can I be your friend? I think I should spend more time with pre schoolers such as yourself so that I can get more acclimated with some of the playerbase which is under 12 years of age.
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Hypo Psycho
Minmatar Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hypo Psycho on 06/02/2007 17:31:26
Originally by: Hasak Rain
So what you are saying is that you don't think your play style should be nerfed?
Oh and I have been in 0.0. I have seen both sides of the fence and I can tell you that 0.0 players just make WAY too much isk and it imbalances pvp to the point where "the poor or time deprived of EvE" do not even want to participate in combat and just carebear in Empire.
its each individual persons game if they wanna carebear let em, if they wanna PvP thats thier choice THEY pay the subriscription fee they can play anyway they want.
as for charging 30% tax that will only cause smaller player run corps to disolve, also causing alot more players to remain in the NPC corps.
most ideas that want to NERF something arise because of jealousy and anger, you are jealous that they have more money than you and angry that you cant have it your own way now pick up your toys and stop having a tantrum.
"see you on the other side"
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Black Torment How do you think corps actually get isk? They pull it out of some deep secret hole in the dark recesses of 0.0?
No. They make it the good old fashioned way of hard work / luck, just like everyone else. The reason they have more isk than you is because they either work harder than you or got luckier than you.
Any money a corp gets is generated from things the players in it do or set up. Theres no automatic isk bursaries for being in a player corp.
I never said they don't work for it or haven't earned it. That isn't what i am talking about.
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Neon Genesis
Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Black Torment How do you think corps actually get isk? They pull it out of some deep secret hole in the dark recesses of 0.0?
No. They make it the good old fashioned way of hard work / luck, just like everyone else. The reason they have more isk than you is because they either work harder than you or got luckier than you.
Any money a corp gets is generated from things the players in it do or set up. Theres no automatic isk bursaries for being in a player corp.
This as well, let me just add 'teamwork'.
It could be you too Hasak Rain!
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kublai
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: kublai Click me
Not a flaming you, I seriously believe this could be more to your liking.
You are so creative and clever posting a WoW link. I never seen a response like THAT before! Can I be your friend? I think I should spend more time with pre schoolers such as yourself so that I can get more acclimated with some of the playerbase which is under 12 years of age.
If you're so above me and the majority of our player base, I fail to see how you can have problems playing the high sec markets solo well enough to make a fortune.
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Shigsy
Caldari Four Horsemen
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shigsy on 06/02/2007 17:33:56 Edited by: Shigsy on 06/02/2007 17:33:33
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: Shigsy Edited by: Shigsy on 06/02/2007 17:12:11
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: Adunh Slavy Um ... no.
All a 30% tax does is reduce all the ISK made by 30%. Rich players are already rich, a new 30% tax doesn't hurt them as much as new players, new players don't need to see ISK sinks - they need to see that making ISK is not a big deal so that they are more willing to go do the pew-pew and take risks.
If you need an isk sink, send me 30% of all you make, and I will put it to good use. If you don't like the idea of sending me your isk, then don't ask me to send it into the void.
Yes it would affect player corp members as they would likely fit less Faction and T2 mods on their ships and players who are stuck mining Scordite or doing lvl 3 Missions will be able to compete in PvP with them a bit better. It might even encourage more PvP as the noobs will feel more confident about the situation and take more chances.
Granted, I understand that some players are rich beyond our wildest dreams and it wouldn't affect them much but no solution is perfect. However, this is a good first step in fixing this huge imbalance.
Go to 0.0 for a while and those faction mods wont be too expensive for you. You're basically asking CCP to nerf 0.0, which alliances have lost LOTS of ships fighting over. It's supposed to be rich in 0.0 because you PVP'd for it. Pee Vee Pee
Join an alliance or something who operate in 0.0 and then post a topic about it.
So what you are saying is that you don't think your play style should be nerfed?
Oh and I have been in 0.0. I have seen both sides of the fence and I can tell you that 0.0 players just make WAY too much isk and it imbalances pvp to the point where "the poor or time deprived of EvE" do not even want to participate in combat and just carebear in Empire.
Yes, it shouldn't be nerfed. Your stupid ****ty playstyle should.
Edit: nerf resellers
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: kublai Click me
Not a flaming you, I seriously believe this could be more to your liking.
You are so creative and clever posting a WoW link. I never seen a response like THAT before! Can I be your friend? I think I should spend more time with pre schoolers such as yourself so that I can get more acclimated with some of the playerbase which is under 12 years of age.
If you're so above me and the majority of our player base, I fail to see how you can have problems playing the high sec markets solo well enough to make a fortune.
What makes you think I am in high sec? The topic isn't about me or my personal siuation.
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Black Torment
Caldari Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hasak Rain
Originally by: Black Torment How do you think corps actually get isk? They pull it out of some deep secret hole in the dark recesses of 0.0?
No. They make it the good old fashioned way of hard work / luck, just like everyone else. The reason they have more isk than you is because they either work harder than you or got luckier than you.
Any money a corp gets is generated from things the players in it do or set up. Theres no automatic isk bursaries for being in a player corp.
I never said they don't work for it or haven't earned it. That isn't what i am talking about.
You're talking about taking it away from some who gain it just as fairly, but you don't want that restriction on yourself and anyone else in an NPC corp. Why? Do you simply like making other people miserable? :)
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Zeno Kang
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.02.06 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Black Torment
Do you simply like making other people miserable? :)
Apparently there are many people on the Eve-O forums who do. --
Originally by: Blue Pixie
Not wanting to get wardec'd = n00b
Not wanting to get Concord'd = 1337
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