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Deej Montana
Iteria Strategic Systems
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Posted - 2016.03.04 07:14:31 -
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Signed! |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:53:23 -
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Faryl Hanaya wrote:Signed.
I miss all the lore. I don't care if I was the only one reading my character's story page. At least I felt like I was part of this universe. I felt I could do some real RP. I felt like Watson writting Sherlock's adventure !
And a read only web site won't bring this back. Saved your page from Google cache. Thank you, Google cache. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.03.04 21:43:34 -
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Definitely signed
I see a lot of people posting that nobody contributed to or kept Evelopedia updated. Well they are wrong.
I created / updated a lot of the Cosmic Anomaly / Cosmic Signature pages in Evelopedia and also updated / completed other Exploration site pages that were created and left unfinished by other players. I also created / updated / completed a lot of the Escalation Expedition pages. I also created / updated most of the Event Agent pages such as Tutorial Agents (retired by CCP), Career Agents, Circle Agents, Data Center Agents and extensively updated the Cosmos Agents page as well. I also contributed / updated the Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar Cosmos guides that were written in the Evelopedia and created quite a few Agent pages.
Not to mention I also contributed to and updated the Epic Arc Agents page. Also while running those Epic Arcs, I updated their Evelopedia mission pages at the same time I was creating / updating Epic Arc pages in Eve Survival. I also created a character / pilot page and contributed to plenty of other Evelopedia pages with minor updates such as fixing typo's, correcting grammar, redoing sentence / paragraph structure, etc. Last but not least I created and contributed the Faction Standing Repair Plan.
I'm not listing all of this for recognition, it's simply to prove that there was indeed people trying to improve and help keep Evelopedia up to date for the Eve Online Community.
The problem with Evelopedia is that CCP didn't keep the initial Database updated and would constantly change things in game with little to no given notice. Updating was then done after the fact by sheer discovery which soon became outdated due to more changes being done by CCP in game.
Keeping Evelopedia updated soon became an overwhelming task. To make matters worse the owners / creators of the other 3rd party wiki's, who first got most of their info from Evelopedia to begin with, decided to promote and advertise their own wiki's instead of helping to keep the Official Eve Wiki updated..
Feodor Mihailovici wrote:Signed !
Evelopedia was one of the best sources of information, this is how I essentially learned everything I know about Eve. CCP says that there are other sites which contain data which was in the Evelopedia, that is not true. Excellent articles like the mineral yield in PI with all planet requirements, Project Atlas with all types of wormholes and where and from where they lead and a plethora of other information was to be found ONLY on Evelopedia.
CCP, PLEASE put Evelopedia back online !
I agree 100%.
koenkoard wrote:Signed.
WTF is wrong with CCP? Stop taking bad decisions already. ItGÇÖs almost like they wanted ppl to stop playing the game altogether... Couldn't have said it any better myself.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.03.05 03:56:05 -
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I went to look up which were the rookie systems today. It strikes me that there ought to be an official source for critical information.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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alindak Kahoudi
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.05 04:45:44 -
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What hurts the most itGÇÖs that they try to insult your intelligence with excuses taken out of their 4sses... According to them thereGÇÖs several more complete sources of information all over.. BS. Tried to look up sansha 7/10 DED today to see what anomaly produced that escalation and the first 6-7 results were the wiki. The rest didnGÇÖt have the information I was looking for. So that crap about ppl not using the tool is PURE and UTTER BS. |
Sere O'Asis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.05 05:51:08 -
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Signed.
When I started playing, EVElopedia made surviving EVE's initial learning cliff possible.
The official tutorials were totally inadequate, and I was not going to pester my corp mates into new clones with all my questions (even though they bravely answered all the questions I put to them), so EVElopedia was open, and consulted, constantly during my first six months of play.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2016.03.05 07:56:24 -
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Since this thread (miraculously) still stays on course...
Signed.
CCP is responsible for documenting their software to the end user. Neglecting that work and relaying it to unpaid volunteers aka users is unethical and cheap.
Also removing the lore pages before having a replacement site for them is shoddy at best.
PS: Would be funny if CCP had DOWNSIZED their data center to the point that even a small web service such as the Evelopedia mattered...
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Sim Cognito
Obani Gemini Corporation
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Posted - 2016.03.05 15:47:36 -
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Research Abstract: Project Trinity links to evelopedia from in-game. Of course, all you get is the discontinuation notice now. I don't get why evelopedia couldn't stay at least in a limited capacity for EVE universe information.
EDIT: Specifically http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan
The page that provided a basic overview for Arek Jaalan is now gone, even if in-game links and Google point to it. How exactly is this beneficial to EVE? |
Darkblad
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Posted - 2016.03.05 23:47:52 -
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Sim Cognito wrote:Research Abstract: Project Trinity links to evelopedia from in-game. Of course, all you get is the discontinuation notice now. I don't get why evelopedia couldn't stay at least in a limited capacity for EVE universe information. EDIT: Specifically http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan The page that provided a basic overview for Arek Jaalan is now gone, even if in-game links and Google point to it. How exactly is this beneficial to EVE? Items currently still pointing to the EVElopedia from their descripion are many of the Arek'Jaalan Documents, Pax Ammaria, Loyalty Points and ... Probe Launchers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11i-quMuz5aMVkzA9Lq9l67decSPXN8HyXkcrrbBDayc/edit#gid=0
Unfortunately, I don't see CCP considering anything in regards of the wiki, not just the lore portal but also player created information on pages about e.g. Solar Systems and Items.
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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Fabrizio Faggetino
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.06 12:26:59 -
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Signed
pÇé.:pâ+°Gÿå FABRIZIO pÇé.:pâ+°Gÿå
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:03:42 -
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Signed.
This one makes me really sad. I agree the Evelopedia has not been updated much for ages and a lot of the stats etc were totally out of date. Some stuff on there was essential to play parts of the game such as the oft maligned COSMOS stuff. So this really is CCP kicking themselves in the face if it was physically possible. I have no idea what CCP is trying to do - It's really like s******* all over yourself. Usually only prisoners in jail would do such a thing on a dirty protest so I really don't understand why these changes continue to happen. |
Colan Tyler Powel
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:27:13 -
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Given the huge number of forum posts that link to various EVElopedia articles, It would make more sense to task a small team to update and maintain this invaluable resource.
Failure to, at least fix the broken links, will be a constant source of frustration and aggravation to players needing answers to questions that can only be found on EVElopedia.
A more reasonable solution might be to post a disclaimer for those using EVElopedia with a link to a source of up to date sources of information.
Many forum articles are applicable today and that information is no longer accessible. |
Karina Ivanovich
Raiders of Celestial Dawn
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Posted - 2016.03.06 23:23:12 -
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Signed |
Sama Dobrota
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.07 10:47:12 -
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Signed.
To begin this: EVElopedia contains A LOT of materials, hence, a plenty of LABOUR has been required to compile link and organize these. AFAIK, many ISD guys had participated in these efforts and, I am sorry, but I hardly can believe authors and contributors were willing and happy to eliminate their efforts.
CCPlease, bring the wiki back and kindly ask ISD people to take care about it by inserting banners like: GÇ£obsoleteGÇ¥ GÇ£requires editingGÇ¥ for outdated/controversial pages.
Destructing someone's else work is easy. |
Delta Naskingar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:09:01 -
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signed |
Donatien de'Sade
Ars Industria
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:19:26 -
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Signed
Relying on 3rd party sites for your game's information and back story is indicative of a company in steep decline... |
FatalityOne
Yolo Corp Many Reckless Corps
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:23:28 -
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Signed This is needed for many people, not just new ones. Given the complexity of EVE, the prospect of remember everything is not likely. Yes there are other sites but not as complete as the people who wrote the game. |
Yedras Olacar
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:30:11 -
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As someone that has recently started playing eve, a good portion of the stuff I google about the game now attempts to display the defunct wiki, I don't really see any rational reason for the site being taken down in the first place. I also find it quite rude that CCP seems to expect the community to foot the cost of running unofficial information sources considering they aren't getting paid to do it.
/Signed |
Samantha Hawkins Ortez
Shuji Shuriken Universal Industry Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.07 17:39:46 -
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Signed |
Donna Lucia d'Alvadorez
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.07 20:42:02 -
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Signed.
Today a player wondered in a Help channel if this is Okay to shoot newbies at rookie systems. The page explaining what theses systems are (4x3x2+1(Arnon)) is completely gone. Of course, Eve Uni has a copy, but that player's reaction was logical enough: Eve Uni is a third-party site, hence this can not be official. Eve Online appropriate forum posts refer to now non-existing Evelopedia page. Why so? |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.03.07 22:13:15 -
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Obviously the Evelopedia was a little bit out dated but overall it was still a very good source of info, especially pertaining to the PvE aspect of Eve Online.
Seeing that there's still a need for Evelopedia, I talked to Mr. Peabody and Sherman who both agreed to let me use their Wayback Machine to get a usable working snapshot.
Evelopedia via Wayback Machine This link enables viewing but no updating. Hopefully someone can transcribe this info into a new wiki which can then be updated.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.03.08 12:14:30 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously the Evelopedia was a little bit out dated but overall it was still a very good source of info, especially pertaining to the PvE aspect of Eve Online. Seeing that there's still a need for Evelopedia, I talked to Mr. Peabody and Sherman who both agreed to let me use their Wayback Machine to get a usable working snapshot. Evelopedia via Wayback MachineThis link enables Evelopedia viewing but no updating. Also the search option doesn't work so you'll have to manually go to a specific page by using the various inside wiki links. Hopefully someone can transcribe this info into a new wiki which can then be updated. DMC The best news since EvElopedia is gone.
Because this thread (surprisely) did not sink still and because it looks like a lot of people around want EvElopedia to be back, it would be nice if some ISD-guys bring this thread to DEV's attention so they may tell their official "NO F***ING WAY!" to community. |
Aizek Arsten
Underwater rebels
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Posted - 2016.03.08 12:47:35 -
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Signed |
Sanych Sukarala
Sanych Lonetrek Research Consultancy
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Posted - 2016.03.08 14:56:29 -
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Signed
Rather bad idea to get rid of consolidated surce of guieds, walkthrough's e.t.c. |
XeX Znndstrup
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Posted - 2016.03.08 15:29:44 -
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Signed.
We already express our opinion directly on twitter. Evelopedia was full of interesting information even if not up to date.
We knew about shutdown 3 days before it has been discontinued. Serious business ?
Eve University Wiki is absolutly good, Brave Newbies likely also, but what will happen if they decide to stop ? CREST is a good tool but should we study IT to be able to play Eve Online now ? We don't even speak about the dump. We can't do anything with that even if Steve tried to propose a page.
We don't speak about all time spent by some players to write on this wiki. It's definitely not respectuous for their time and subscription.
Sometimes, it's good not to go over the top.
Judge of The Law Organization and President of Stellar Order.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
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Aldarin Makanen
EVO Legion. I N G L O R I O U S
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Posted - 2016.03.08 16:24:17 -
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Signed.
Evelopeida was my go-to reference for all things EVE. I would regularly have several pages open at a time, practically every time I was online and playing. I found it helpful...more so than other 3rd party pages. Seeing it go was a kick to the groin.
Props to DeMichael "DMC" Crimson for posting the link to the Wayback Machine. Many thanks for that. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
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Posted - 2016.03.08 16:45:24 -
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Signed.
In all the years I have been playing EvE I have used EVElopedia several times weekly. Some info was indeed out of date, especially info on hulls and modules. But a most was definitely not and therefore still viable.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.08 17:54:48 -
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Signed. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2016.03.08 19:06:14 -
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Soeculation, but most likely with the addition of new investors and board members they are trying to tighten the ship, maximize the income and cut down on all costs. I'm not really surprised although saddened by this.
The CSM XI Election are now open until March 25th, 2016. Please consider Niko Lorenzio for CSM XI.
CSM matters, your voice matters, your vote matters!
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Achanjati
Royal Amarr Science Institute
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Posted - 2016.03.09 10:16:51 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: Yeah, funny thing about this thread is there used to be an ISD team that specifically looked after the Wiki.
For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki.
Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along.
In the first, yes, there was a topic an you could fill out an application. On the second view, there are cases where you fill out the application and didn't even get a response. And if asked, CCP just say: "Sorry, we can't see your application". CCP Phantom stated in the german forum that they had "technical issues" in the past so not all applications could processed or could get lost. But "it should be fixed now, just fill out your application again." It's not a funny thing saying this to players after destroying their motivation by disregarding them. |
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