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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2016.03.01 08:56:11 -
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Just because someone should make it already.
I DO NOT expect CCP to put EVElopedia back online. I DO NOT think this thread will change CCP mind and force 'em to cancel EVElopedia shutdown. This thread was made to show community's opinion and, probably, to find some other way to bring EVElopedia back to life.
Why?
1. 3rd-party wikias lack on information about New Eden's lore and history.
2. EVElopedia was directly accessable from Help menu and popular among new pilots.
3. EVElopedia was an official resource. 3rd-party wikias may be closed by their owners anytime, access to 'em may be limited, and it's content may not be trusted.
What now?
If someone have enough time and effort, he may be able to make a mirror-site for EVElopedia and community may ask CCP for full EVElopedia dump - if it was not destroyed already.
Take a shot now.
Source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/?_ga=1.178812132.1797931384.1448610908
Related threads: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6362441#post6362441 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6370184#post6370184 |
Suzanne Khale
Khale Privateer
6
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:20:50 -
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Signed |
FIREDASH Visagie
HC-Nightshade
0
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:23:32 -
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Signed aswell |
Jaantrag
44
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:27:55 -
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Signed |
Agent 711
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:29:12 -
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signed |
Sierra Pell Achassi
Corleone Industries
0
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:34:00 -
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Signed |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
88
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:45:36 -
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Signed |
Rondont
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.01 09:47:09 -
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who cares? so many better dbs around ... really |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1042
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:04:41 -
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The folks in backstage.eve-inspiracy.com are hard at work using the CCP data dumps to put together a wiki for lore info. Especially the player-created stuff. Go support their efforts instead.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
77
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:31:32 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Go support their efforts instead. Sounds nice, but let's aim for some higher goal: full-working EVElopedia clone.
May be EVElopedia's closure will give it community attention at last. For years we forget 'bout it - just because it was always here and no one gived a drek to it. Now it's gone - and looks like we still need it. |
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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
262
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:37:56 -
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i noticed one of the devs say he's working for stuff for the new site, but its not online yet... |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
77
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:45:01 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:i noticed one of the devs say he's working for stuff for the new site, but its not online yet... EVElopedia was nice because it provided information on both EVE mechanics AND lore for new pilots right-here-and-right-now. Some other sites may be good, but i don't think it would be the same thing. |
Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:51:43 -
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A mirror site is useless unless it'll be kept up-to-date.
If it is kept up-to-date then it'll just become a player run site and there are already a few good ones of those. |
Pandora Bokks
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:53:31 -
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I would love to support this.
But if you look at Evelopedia at its last state - it was still good, but totally outdated and misleading in a couple of chapters. While this is ok for a fansite and the playerbase might also accept it with a 'better than nothing' argument, I am sure the developer does not want to have an official wiki with outdated and misleading information. And they obviously do not want to allocate ressources to rewriting or updating it.
So if you want to do something for the community, I would suggest to contribute to already existing fansites. I would bet, e.g. Talvorian would also put DED 1-5 complexes on his site, if someone else does the writing. |
Aleksei Kunitckii
Anonymous Hyena
0
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:53:54 -
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SIgned |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
77
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Posted - 2016.03.01 10:58:47 -
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Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:A mirror site is useless unless it'll be kept up-to-date.
If it is kept up-to-date then it'll just become a player run site and there are already a few good ones of those. EVElopedia was outdated in many ways, but it was community's fault only. It was up to players, not to CCP to update wiki with new data.
As about other wikias - i said it already: they are mostly up-to-date and got good explanation on EVE's mechanics for new pilots, but they provide almost no information on lore and history, and they are not officialy approoved. |
Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
663
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:35:58 -
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Why stop there?! Long as we've got devs working on useless and redundant content, lets get them working on walking in stations as well!
Counter un-sign times infinity. |
Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:36:09 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:A mirror site is useless unless it'll be kept up-to-date.
If it is kept up-to-date then it'll just become a player run site and there are already a few good ones of those. EVElopedia was outdated in many ways, but it was community's fault only. It was up to players, not to CCP to update wiki with new data.
As about other wikias - i said it already: they are mostly up-to-date and got good explanation on EVE's mechanics for new pilots, but they provide almost no information on lore and history, and they are not officialy approoved.
In that case other player run sites were more popular, another reason why it could be removed.
Seems to me it's not the information on how things work within the game but the lore you are concerned with.
If CCP doesn't intend to add to the lore then it could be copied and archived, even linked from the main site as it would require no maintenance other than initially moving it. |
Geronimo McVain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:37:45 -
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signed, as a new player found it very helpful |
Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.03.01 11:52:12 -
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From what the guy says in this thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=471658&find=unread post #13
It sounds like the lore will still be accessible.
So your petition is pointless. |
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
83
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Posted - 2016.03.01 13:06:35 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Why stop there?! Long as we've got devs working on useless and redundant content, lets get them working on walking in stations as well! You're blind. Totally.
"Lore is useless, WiS is useless, gimme more crap to grind!!" - i heard dat bullshit thousand times. Lore makes world of EVE interesting for newcommers and RP-freaks. WiS is a new base for interaction among capsuleers, which also makes New Eden to be not only raw mechanics and mindless "search-and-destroy" thing.
New Eden needs to be a world out of pod, not some sort of cooperative butt-kickin'. At least for those, who's not r-¦t-¦rd-¦d.
Aviola von Yodalgut wrote: And as i answered there - i doubt it will be so easily accessible as on wiki engine. It would probably be one more "lore-which-no-one-read" site, not some short and easily gained right from NeoCom information. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
290
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Posted - 2016.03.01 13:13:00 -
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Signed
@lunettelulu7
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Kaivar Lancer
Garoun Investment Bank
895
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:08:20 -
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It makes me wonder why players prefer to update player-run wikis rather than the official one. Is there something specific about CCP that deterred players from updating the official wiki?
Anyway, an official wiki would be nice. Simply because it's a sign of professionalism. |
Molpadia Devaux
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:26:51 -
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With no game manuals, it is incumbent upon CCP to have an in game link to the RULES that govern the Eve universe. Lore, fittings guides etc. might be handled well by 3rd party sites. But CCP is obliged to provide players with the official rules. Imagine a pirate or goon site giving you the "official" rules of engagement. |
Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
663
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:35:48 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote: WiS is a new base for interaction among capsuleers,
Citation needed.
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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments Second Empire.
1723
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Posted - 2016.03.01 15:55:43 -
[26] - Quote
All of the current information on the Eve wiki was dumped and can be downloaded from the news article. Community sites are already up which host the data contained in the dump:
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Main_Page
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
6020
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Posted - 2016.03.01 16:58:43 -
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Its Steve Ronuken's work.
My vote was not wasted.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
71
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:00:21 -
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I can't sign on against the closure of something that I felt had limited use in its current form. I might sign on against the timing of it, I think it still has use and its replacement(s) aren't fully functional yet. Closing something before it's truly redundant isn't the smartest thing to do unless there is another serious set of pressures driving it.
Newbie help, in so far as getting to know the basic concepts and working the game properly, should be IN-GAME as far as I'm concerned. I haven't seen this in-game help enough other than to start up a new toon and at that point it's really not done well.
What the game needs for help is actual video, either animated or live action (which would be fun to get some fans together and shoot with some props and such), that goes over the various concepts and forces you into simulations that show how things work. The game is super complex and the videos only need to cover the basics, but that's what it should have. I've seen some of the stuff they are doing now and it's not as far along as I'd have hoped.
The videos can be supplemented by an official library reference that details exactly how to do all the functions of the game but leaves the theory-crafting out of it (which can be confusing to a beginner as they don't understand the ramifications of it) which most 3rd party libraries include. Cross linking stable 3rd party resources is also a good idea for those that are ready to dive into theory-crafting.
So, I can see why CCP is dropping the resource, just not happy with the timing. The replacement needs to be fully operational first. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
6020
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:05:28 -
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https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Sacred_Flesh
Its good to see that back.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Skeleton Crew.
216
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:27:25 -
[30] - Quote
i was thinking about hosting it so ill try do it i have a eve site im working on so it should fit in. ive downloaded the database so watch this space. |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11061
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:30:55 -
[31] - Quote
More toilet paper, please
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17520
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:36:02 -
[32] - Quote
Molpadia Devaux wrote:With no game manuals, it is incumbent upon CCP to have an in game link to the RULES that govern the Eve universe. Lore, fittings guides etc. might be handled well by 3rd party sites. But CCP is obliged to provide players with the official rules. Imagine a pirate or goon site giving you the "official" rules of engagement.
When you say 'obliged' do you actually mean "I want them too"?
Because I'm not aware of any such obligation, and CCP have never done so in the past.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
88
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:46:07 -
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tiberiusric wrote:i was thinking about hosting it so ill try do it i have a eve site im working on so it should fit in. ive downloaded the database so watch this space. Sounds nice. Take a try and tell us how we can support it.
The 102 Mb download linked in news post is just a dump for "player content" only, i guess. And i don't think there was a lot.
Bumblefck wrote:More toilet paper, please Sure thing, i'll send you some to fight your diarea. |
Aquiileia
Zempafy
2
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Posted - 2016.03.01 18:25:37 -
[34] - Quote
Signed.
I can't fathom why such a resource would be shut down to begin with...
Zempafy.com - Industrial Corporation: A Goal Oriented Corp With Stock Share System and Dividend Payouts To Division Managers. Grow with Zempafy!
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Samantha Calderon
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
24
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Posted - 2016.03.01 18:37:01 -
[35] - Quote
Signed.
Wherever I May Roam: Blog sobre EVE Online en castellano!
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Dominique Saint-Clair
Les Gardiens
268
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Posted - 2016.03.01 18:44:26 -
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Just can't believe it. It's a base of New Eden. Are you joking? To say that it's biggest step down it's to say nothing. This is the final destruction of the universe we knew.
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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Skeleton Crew.
216
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Posted - 2016.03.01 19:05:28 -
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i think the initial post says alot really it was never up to date. players never really took to it and updated it and they are right wikis like eve university is far far more detailed and thats ccp problem always has been. dont worry someone else will do it attitude. killboards, wikis, help sites and eft for example and all the sites chribba does are to name but a few.
but why waste resource and money if someone else builds it, right?
we need everyone contributing to it to make it work just like wikipedia. im not sure how passionate people are to do that? its been up for a few years and im thinking if it aint been working then its probably not going to change . would need some serious show of hands to bring it back.
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
206
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Posted - 2016.03.01 19:43:23 -
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Oh joy! Another internet petition! I so love these! They're testimonies to how delusional people can actually be!!
PS This isn't a signature!
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Sim Cognito
Obani Gemini Corporation
20
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Posted - 2016.03.01 19:53:48 -
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Signed. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
404
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Posted - 2016.03.01 22:06:59 -
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Signed.
In such a complex game it's really CCP's responsibility to provide documentation and not an unpaid third party's. |
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Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2016.03.01 22:23:25 -
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Typical
Before its removal players tended to use other sites because they were better.
Since its been removed all of a sudden people care, pity they didn't care enough before its removal. |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
94
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Posted - 2016.03.01 22:27:48 -
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Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:Typical
Before its removal players tended to use other sites because they were better.
Since its been removed all of a sudden people care, pity they didn't care enough before its removal. You make it sound like someone like you pay attention to what they have before they lose it. |
Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2016.03.01 22:29:04 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:Typical
Before its removal players tended to use other sites because they were better.
Since its been removed all of a sudden people care, pity they didn't care enough before its removal. You make it sound like someone like you pay attention to what they have before they lose it.
Well if you don't notice what you have then you don't deserve it anyway. That goes for relationships as well. |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
94
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Posted - 2016.03.01 22:31:51 -
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Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:Arkoth 24 wrote:Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:Typical
Before its removal players tended to use other sites because they were better.
Since its been removed all of a sudden people care, pity they didn't care enough before its removal. You make it sound like someone like you pay attention to what they have before they lose it. Well if you don't notice what you have then you don't deserve it anyway. That goes for relationships as well. That's in human nature. People usually suck in some many ways so there's no need to point it out. |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
214
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Posted - 2016.03.01 23:04:03 -
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For me the big issue is that the EVElopedia was the only place you could find good descriptions of the complexes (cosmic anomalies, unrated complexes, DED complexes, ghost sites, data sites, relic sites, etc).
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Memphis Baas
1261
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Posted - 2016.03.02 00:26:37 -
[46] - Quote
Signed.
Pink ribbon worn.
Let's organize a "rally flight for Evelopedia", say, we all fly frigates from Amarr to Dodixie.
Because that's how wikis are kept current and relevant: people sign, wear pink ribbons, and organize walks. |
Nadja Hawk
Out of Pod Exploration
4
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Posted - 2016.03.02 00:51:32 -
[47] - Quote
signed |
Mark Reston Dethahal
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.03.02 01:59:40 -
[48] - Quote
signed
how 'new player unfriendly' is that from CCP to close down such an knowledge data base... |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1043
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Posted - 2016.03.02 03:17:53 -
[49] - Quote
Droidster wrote:For me the big issue is that the EVElopedia was the only place you could find good descriptions of the complexes (cosmic anomalies, unrated complexes, DED complexes, ghost sites, data sites, relic sites, etc).
You sure the information isn't in the Eve University wiki?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Dri'i Oasis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.02 04:08:01 -
[50] - Quote
signed |
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2640
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Posted - 2016.03.02 06:14:30 -
[51] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Droidster wrote:For me the big issue is that the EVElopedia was the only place you could find good descriptions of the complexes (cosmic anomalies, unrated complexes, DED complexes, ghost sites, data sites, relic sites, etc).
You sure the information isn't in the Eve University wiki?
Of course it is, but as Droidster still has absolute no clue about the game...
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2640
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Posted - 2016.03.02 06:19:15 -
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I'm pretty sure, that none of you, who are whining about Evelopedia's dead right now has done anything to keep it updated. Entitled prats as you are, you just took it for granted and now you're whining, bitching and moaning about its demise. There wouldn't have been a close down, if some of you would have spent just a little of your time to keep it updated, but of course that would have made personal commitment necessary, but as always, it's easier to QQ about something afterwards.
So please keep QQ more! Your tears and salt are just so delicious!
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
404
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Posted - 2016.03.02 06:47:34 -
[53] - Quote
And I'm pretty sure that morons who like trolling get reported. Now you go QQ more. |
Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2641
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Posted - 2016.03.02 07:14:56 -
[54] - Quote
Nick Bete wrote:And I'm pretty sure that morons who like trolling get reported. Now you go QQ more.
That wasn't trolling, that was an (my) opinion about the topic, of course you must not entitle it, i don't have a problem with that.
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
96
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Posted - 2016.03.02 07:39:51 -
[55] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Because that's how wikis are kept current and relevant: people sign, wear pink ribbons, and organize walks. It's good to see i'm not the only one toxic in this thread. |
Roderick Raholan
Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate
46
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Posted - 2016.03.02 07:45:44 -
[56] - Quote
Signed |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
96
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Posted - 2016.03.02 07:51:40 -
[57] - Quote
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:I'm pretty sure, that none of you, who are whining about Evelopedia's dead right now has done anything to keep it updated. Yeap, we done nothing. Is it a reason to close an official infomation resource? I don't think so.
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:So please keep QQ more! Your tears and salt are just so delicious! This is EvE. So just try to pretend mature. |
Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2641
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Posted - 2016.03.02 08:11:39 -
[58] - Quote
Arkoth 24 wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:I'm pretty sure, that none of you, who are whining about Evelopedia's dead right now has done anything to keep it updated. Yeap, we done nothing. Is it a reason to close an official infomation resource? I don't think so.
Tbh, you're raising a good question with that sentence. Was it a source of information? Imho, it wasn't, the most time it was outdated or even wrong information caused by the said lack of updates. Another question should be " would it have been shutdown when it had said updates? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't. Again, in my opinion, it was better to shut it down than let it give false infos to New Bros which could cause them making costly mistakes.
Arkoth 24 wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:So please keep QQ more! Your tears and salt are just so delicious! This is EvE. So just try to pretend mature.
Nope, this is GD after all.
The beginning of the End
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zarana oriely
Nine Pirate captian
0
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Posted - 2016.03.02 08:15:25 -
[59] - Quote
signed,
i used this everyday |
Pornogeros
Pornogeros A.E.
0
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Posted - 2016.03.02 08:17:46 -
[60] - Quote
signed |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44617
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Posted - 2016.03.02 08:26:54 -
[61] - Quote
Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:Typical
Before its removal players tended to use other sites because they were better.
Since its been removed all of a sudden people care, pity they didn't care enough before its removal. Yeah, funny thing about this thread is there used to be an ISD team that specifically looked after the Wiki.
For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki.
Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Valkin Mordirc
1921
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Posted - 2016.03.02 08:35:52 -
[62] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:Typical
Before its removal players tended to use other sites because they were better.
Since its been removed all of a sudden people care, pity they didn't care enough before its removal. Yeah, funny thing about this thread is there used to be an ISD team that specifically looked after the Wiki. For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki. Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along.
It's easier to give a simple /signed then it is to actually put forth the effort to keep something you enjoy active.
It's typical but depressing.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Apocalypse Now.
215
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Posted - 2016.03.02 09:32:09 -
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Now I come forth to roar the mighty roar. To breath fire and bathe the unworthy in the cleansing warmth of death's embrace.
Okay enough blah -
Now my issue with the wiki going down is this
1: a lot of it needed to go, as it is outdated and worth crap 2: there are parts that need to be replaced; lore, combats sites (as I have yet to find one to replace the wiki) -- if it was up to me, I would set up a new limited wiki. This limited wiki would cover the lore, combat sites and a handful of other items. Basically what flight academy can't or won't cover. And what can't be read from ingame show info.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1045
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Posted - 2016.03.02 09:36:06 -
[64] - Quote
Valkin Mordirc wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:Typical
Before its removal players tended to use other sites because they were better.
Since its been removed all of a sudden people care, pity they didn't care enough before its removal. Yeah, funny thing about this thread is there used to be an ISD team that specifically looked after the Wiki. For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki. Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along. It's easier to give a simple /signed then it is to actually put forth the effort to keep something you enjoy active. It's typical but depressing.
Slacktivism ho!
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
99
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Posted - 2016.03.02 12:40:36 -
[65] - Quote
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Again, in my opinion, it was better to shut it down than let it give false infos to New Bros which could cause them making costly mistakes. Just as i pointed out in original post - there's no resource at the moment, which is 1 - up to date 2 - contains EVE lore and history 3 - officially approved at the same time.
So there's nothing to replace EVElopedia in full.
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Nope, this is GD after all. It is your god given right to be pathetic. |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2016.03.02 13:27:35 -
[66] - Quote
Signed |
AOAm Adranas'Lira
Atreidun Order
1
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Posted - 2016.03.02 13:28:30 -
[67] - Quote
Signed |
AOSA
Atreidun Order
6
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Posted - 2016.03.02 13:29:44 -
[68] - Quote
Signed |
Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2016.03.02 13:33:35 -
[69] - Quote
Well I hope all those that are signing it (I'm not btw) are prepared to help maintain it and not just plan to use it. Otherwise nothing would ever get done.
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Regulus Scyssor
Arsenic. The Volition Cult
8
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Posted - 2016.03.02 13:45:02 -
[70] - Quote
signed, evelopedia is helpful for beginners
Venture is love
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Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2016.03.02 13:52:05 -
[71] - Quote
Regulus Scyssor wrote:signed, evelopedia is helpful for beginners
A better petition would be from people that are actually prepared to help in its upkeep (stating that they are), you know making sure it's all up-to-date.
This petition as it stands doesn't mean a lot as the player base wouldn't have changed much since before its removal and we already know what the result was from before. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
131
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Posted - 2016.03.02 14:10:08 -
[72] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki.
Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along.
Funny you mention that! A few months ago I tossed an application to join the ISD Mercury/YARR team and never got a reply.
So yeah, they kinda gave up on EVElopedia for some time, and the effort to improve it just wasn't there. Good riddance. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
2130
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Posted - 2016.03.02 21:22:43 -
[73] - Quote
Signed. Sad that the players care more about the lore/backstory of the game than CCP apparently does.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Tumac Shahni
Alderaan Trading CO
0
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:45:52 -
[74] - Quote
signed |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
946
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Posted - 2016.03.02 22:55:51 -
[75] - Quote
Signed |
Runeghar Buchner
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.02 23:45:37 -
[76] - Quote
signed |
koenkoard
Bogan Nation I N F A M O U S
12
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Posted - 2016.03.03 01:35:28 -
[77] - Quote
Signed.
WTF is wrong with CCP? Stop taking bad decisions already. ItGÇÖs almost like they wanted ppl to stop playing the game altogether... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
44622
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Posted - 2016.03.03 02:08:40 -
[78] - Quote
Yarosara Ruil wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki.
Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along. Funny you mention that! A few months ago I tossed an application to join the ISD Mercury/YARR team and never got a reply. So yeah, they kinda gave up on EVElopedia for some time, and the effort to improve it just wasn't there. Good riddance. You're lucky.
I did receive a reply when I applied about 2 years ago.
Unfortunately the process was similar to submitting a full API to join a Corp, but all real life related. A heap of questions that required detailed replies, phone interview...the full works.
I gave up after a few emails back and forth because the process was not very efficient.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2607
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Posted - 2016.03.03 02:32:19 -
[79] - Quote
Already used a Google cache of the EVElopedia because the 3rd party sites were insufficient.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
EVE is becoming shallow and childish; it will not satisfy either crowd.
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Bozar Malukker
Light Red Unicorns Something To Fear
0
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Posted - 2016.03.03 02:35:26 -
[80] - Quote
Signed. |
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TrustMe I'amIngener
K.A.D.M.U.S
0
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Posted - 2016.03.03 07:10:06 -
[81] - Quote
Signed. |
Geronimo McVain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.03.03 07:32:26 -
[82] - Quote
One interesting detail: If you searches for something on google UniWiki and evlopedia where the first 2 hits. So Evelopedia was used a lot.
Second: Will CCP distribute Webspace to the player Wikis? They are saving all the money for updating the evelopedia so they should at least give free webspace to the people that will do their job |
Spc One
Sulek Nolich
296
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Posted - 2016.03.03 08:31:23 -
[83] - Quote
Signed |
PAPULA
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
75
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Posted - 2016.03.03 08:32:07 -
[84] - Quote
Signed |
Feodor Mihailovici
Mare Anguis
0
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Posted - 2016.03.03 09:02:01 -
[85] - Quote
Signed !
Evelopedia was one of the best sources of information, this is how I essentially learned everything I know about Eve. CCP says that there are other sites which contain data which was in the Evelopedia, that is not true. Excellent articles like the mineral yield in PI with all planet requirements, Project Atlas with all types of wormholes and where and from where they lead and a plethora of other information was to be found ONLY on Evelopedia.
CCP, PLEASE put Evelopedia back online ! |
Jake Torston
Beermen's Souls
12
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Posted - 2016.03.03 11:16:40 -
[86] - Quote
Singed
Just bring it back please. |
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
583
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Posted - 2016.03.03 15:03:22 -
[87] - Quote
Signed.
Removing Evelopedia seriously hampers my enjoyment of the game. Bring it back please (there, I've asked nicely).
Quality Assurance
Recruiting intrepid explorers and BlOps/Cov Ops combat enthusiasts
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
295
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Posted - 2016.03.03 15:27:05 -
[88] - Quote
Biggest gripe I have is they didn't make a replacement for the lore the day they closed evelopedia.
Seems to be lots of people assuming there wasn't any work done by those that are signing.. I've tidied up a couple sites ... it's not much.. but tbh I didn't consider myself enough of an authority to make those kinds of changes. (been with Eve Online for 10 months) Also worth mentioning that I'm an accountant, not a hacker so what would take one of you guys 5 minutes to do a simple website edit takes me like an hour..
I agree there was a bit of a lacking community on that part. Or it was hard to find.
@lunettelulu7
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Mashie Saldana
Tundragon Project.Mayhem.
1638
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Posted - 2016.03.03 15:27:52 -
[89] - Quote
Signed.
How to win EVE
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Faryl Hanaya
Faire des Tas
1
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Posted - 2016.03.03 16:14:05 -
[90] - Quote
Signed.
I miss all the lore. I don't care if I was the only one reading my character's story page. At least I felt like I was part of this universe. I felt I could do some real RP. I felt like Watson writting Sherlock's adventure !
And a read only web site won't bring this back. |
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Deej Montana
Iteria Strategic Systems
0
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Posted - 2016.03.04 07:14:31 -
[91] - Quote
Signed! |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
104
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:53:23 -
[92] - Quote
Faryl Hanaya wrote:Signed.
I miss all the lore. I don't care if I was the only one reading my character's story page. At least I felt like I was part of this universe. I felt I could do some real RP. I felt like Watson writting Sherlock's adventure !
And a read only web site won't bring this back. Saved your page from Google cache. Thank you, Google cache. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53488
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Posted - 2016.03.04 21:43:34 -
[93] - Quote
Definitely signed
I see a lot of people posting that nobody contributed to or kept Evelopedia updated. Well they are wrong.
I created / updated a lot of the Cosmic Anomaly / Cosmic Signature pages in Evelopedia and also updated / completed other Exploration site pages that were created and left unfinished by other players. I also created / updated / completed a lot of the Escalation Expedition pages. I also created / updated most of the Event Agent pages such as Tutorial Agents (retired by CCP), Career Agents, Circle Agents, Data Center Agents and extensively updated the Cosmos Agents page as well. I also contributed / updated the Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar Cosmos guides that were written in the Evelopedia and created quite a few Agent pages.
Not to mention I also contributed to and updated the Epic Arc Agents page. Also while running those Epic Arcs, I updated their Evelopedia mission pages at the same time I was creating / updating Epic Arc pages in Eve Survival. I also created a character / pilot page and contributed to plenty of other Evelopedia pages with minor updates such as fixing typo's, correcting grammar, redoing sentence / paragraph structure, etc. Last but not least I created and contributed the Faction Standing Repair Plan.
I'm not listing all of this for recognition, it's simply to prove that there was indeed people trying to improve and help keep Evelopedia up to date for the Eve Online Community.
The problem with Evelopedia is that CCP didn't keep the initial Database updated and would constantly change things in game with little to no given notice. Updating was then done after the fact by sheer discovery which soon became outdated due to more changes being done by CCP in game.
Keeping Evelopedia updated soon became an overwhelming task. To make matters worse the owners / creators of the other 3rd party wiki's, who first got most of their info from Evelopedia to begin with, decided to promote and advertise their own wiki's instead of helping to keep the Official Eve Wiki updated..
Feodor Mihailovici wrote:Signed !
Evelopedia was one of the best sources of information, this is how I essentially learned everything I know about Eve. CCP says that there are other sites which contain data which was in the Evelopedia, that is not true. Excellent articles like the mineral yield in PI with all planet requirements, Project Atlas with all types of wormholes and where and from where they lead and a plethora of other information was to be found ONLY on Evelopedia.
CCP, PLEASE put Evelopedia back online !
I agree 100%.
koenkoard wrote:Signed.
WTF is wrong with CCP? Stop taking bad decisions already. ItGÇÖs almost like they wanted ppl to stop playing the game altogether... Couldn't have said it any better myself.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2720
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Posted - 2016.03.05 03:56:05 -
[94] - Quote
I went to look up which were the rookie systems today. It strikes me that there ought to be an official source for critical information.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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alindak Kahoudi
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2016.03.05 04:45:44 -
[95] - Quote
What hurts the most itGÇÖs that they try to insult your intelligence with excuses taken out of their 4sses... According to them thereGÇÖs several more complete sources of information all over.. BS. Tried to look up sansha 7/10 DED today to see what anomaly produced that escalation and the first 6-7 results were the wiki. The rest didnGÇÖt have the information I was looking for. So that crap about ppl not using the tool is PURE and UTTER BS. |
Sere O'Asis
The Scope Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2016.03.05 05:51:08 -
[96] - Quote
Signed.
When I started playing, EVElopedia made surviving EVE's initial learning cliff possible.
The official tutorials were totally inadequate, and I was not going to pester my corp mates into new clones with all my questions (even though they bravely answered all the questions I put to them), so EVElopedia was open, and consulted, constantly during my first six months of play.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4849
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Posted - 2016.03.05 07:56:24 -
[97] - Quote
Since this thread (miraculously) still stays on course...
Signed.
CCP is responsible for documenting their software to the end user. Neglecting that work and relaying it to unpaid volunteers aka users is unethical and cheap.
Also removing the lore pages before having a replacement site for them is shoddy at best.
PS: Would be funny if CCP had DOWNSIZED their data center to the point that even a small web service such as the Evelopedia mattered...
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Sim Cognito
Obani Gemini Corporation
22
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Posted - 2016.03.05 15:47:36 -
[98] - Quote
Research Abstract: Project Trinity links to evelopedia from in-game. Of course, all you get is the discontinuation notice now. I don't get why evelopedia couldn't stay at least in a limited capacity for EVE universe information.
EDIT: Specifically http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan
The page that provided a basic overview for Arek Jaalan is now gone, even if in-game links and Google point to it. How exactly is this beneficial to EVE? |
Darkblad
7
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Posted - 2016.03.05 23:47:52 -
[99] - Quote
Sim Cognito wrote:Research Abstract: Project Trinity links to evelopedia from in-game. Of course, all you get is the discontinuation notice now. I don't get why evelopedia couldn't stay at least in a limited capacity for EVE universe information. EDIT: Specifically http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan The page that provided a basic overview for Arek Jaalan is now gone, even if in-game links and Google point to it. How exactly is this beneficial to EVE? Items currently still pointing to the EVElopedia from their descripion are many of the Arek'Jaalan Documents, Pax Ammaria, Loyalty Points and ... Probe Launchers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11i-quMuz5aMVkzA9Lq9l67decSPXN8HyXkcrrbBDayc/edit#gid=0
Unfortunately, I don't see CCP considering anything in regards of the wiki, not just the lore portal but also player created information on pages about e.g. Solar Systems and Items.
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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Fabrizio Faggetino
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2016.03.06 12:26:59 -
[100] - Quote
Signed
pÇé.:pâ+°Gÿå FABRIZIO pÇé.:pâ+°Gÿå
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
197
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:03:42 -
[101] - Quote
Signed.
This one makes me really sad. I agree the Evelopedia has not been updated much for ages and a lot of the stats etc were totally out of date. Some stuff on there was essential to play parts of the game such as the oft maligned COSMOS stuff. So this really is CCP kicking themselves in the face if it was physically possible. I have no idea what CCP is trying to do - It's really like s******* all over yourself. Usually only prisoners in jail would do such a thing on a dirty protest so I really don't understand why these changes continue to happen. |
Colan Tyler Powel
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
0
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Posted - 2016.03.06 13:27:13 -
[102] - Quote
Given the huge number of forum posts that link to various EVElopedia articles, It would make more sense to task a small team to update and maintain this invaluable resource.
Failure to, at least fix the broken links, will be a constant source of frustration and aggravation to players needing answers to questions that can only be found on EVElopedia.
A more reasonable solution might be to post a disclaimer for those using EVElopedia with a link to a source of up to date sources of information.
Many forum articles are applicable today and that information is no longer accessible. |
Karina Ivanovich
Raiders of Celestial Dawn
0
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Posted - 2016.03.06 23:23:12 -
[103] - Quote
Signed |
Sama Dobrota
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2016.03.07 10:47:12 -
[104] - Quote
Signed.
To begin this: EVElopedia contains A LOT of materials, hence, a plenty of LABOUR has been required to compile link and organize these. AFAIK, many ISD guys had participated in these efforts and, I am sorry, but I hardly can believe authors and contributors were willing and happy to eliminate their efforts.
CCPlease, bring the wiki back and kindly ask ISD people to take care about it by inserting banners like: GÇ£obsoleteGÇ¥ GÇ£requires editingGÇ¥ for outdated/controversial pages.
Destructing someone's else work is easy. |
Delta Naskingar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:09:01 -
[105] - Quote
signed |
Donatien de'Sade
Ars Industria
0
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:19:26 -
[106] - Quote
Signed
Relying on 3rd party sites for your game's information and back story is indicative of a company in steep decline... |
FatalityOne
Yolo Corp Many Reckless Corps
3
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:23:28 -
[107] - Quote
Signed This is needed for many people, not just new ones. Given the complexity of EVE, the prospect of remember everything is not likely. Yes there are other sites but not as complete as the people who wrote the game. |
Yedras Olacar
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.03.07 11:30:11 -
[108] - Quote
As someone that has recently started playing eve, a good portion of the stuff I google about the game now attempts to display the defunct wiki, I don't really see any rational reason for the site being taken down in the first place. I also find it quite rude that CCP seems to expect the community to foot the cost of running unofficial information sources considering they aren't getting paid to do it.
/Signed |
Samantha Hawkins Ortez
Shuji Shuriken Universal Industry Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.03.07 17:39:46 -
[109] - Quote
Signed |
Donna Lucia d'Alvadorez
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.03.07 20:42:02 -
[110] - Quote
Signed.
Today a player wondered in a Help channel if this is Okay to shoot newbies at rookie systems. The page explaining what theses systems are (4x3x2+1(Arnon)) is completely gone. Of course, Eve Uni has a copy, but that player's reaction was logical enough: Eve Uni is a third-party site, hence this can not be official. Eve Online appropriate forum posts refer to now non-existing Evelopedia page. Why so? |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53494
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Posted - 2016.03.07 22:13:15 -
[111] - Quote
Obviously the Evelopedia was a little bit out dated but overall it was still a very good source of info, especially pertaining to the PvE aspect of Eve Online.
Seeing that there's still a need for Evelopedia, I talked to Mr. Peabody and Sherman who both agreed to let me use their Wayback Machine to get a usable working snapshot.
Evelopedia via Wayback Machine This link enables viewing but no updating. Hopefully someone can transcribe this info into a new wiki which can then be updated.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
125
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Posted - 2016.03.08 12:14:30 -
[112] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously the Evelopedia was a little bit out dated but overall it was still a very good source of info, especially pertaining to the PvE aspect of Eve Online. Seeing that there's still a need for Evelopedia, I talked to Mr. Peabody and Sherman who both agreed to let me use their Wayback Machine to get a usable working snapshot. Evelopedia via Wayback MachineThis link enables Evelopedia viewing but no updating. Also the search option doesn't work so you'll have to manually go to a specific page by using the various inside wiki links. Hopefully someone can transcribe this info into a new wiki which can then be updated. DMC The best news since EvElopedia is gone.
Because this thread (surprisely) did not sink still and because it looks like a lot of people around want EvElopedia to be back, it would be nice if some ISD-guys bring this thread to DEV's attention so they may tell their official "NO F***ING WAY!" to community. |
Aizek Arsten
Underwater rebels
0
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Posted - 2016.03.08 12:47:35 -
[113] - Quote
Signed |
Sanych Sukarala
Sanych Lonetrek Research Consultancy
0
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Posted - 2016.03.08 14:56:29 -
[114] - Quote
Signed
Rather bad idea to get rid of consolidated surce of guieds, walkthrough's e.t.c. |
XeX Znndstrup
98
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Posted - 2016.03.08 15:29:44 -
[115] - Quote
Signed.
We already express our opinion directly on twitter. Evelopedia was full of interesting information even if not up to date.
We knew about shutdown 3 days before it has been discontinued. Serious business ?
Eve University Wiki is absolutly good, Brave Newbies likely also, but what will happen if they decide to stop ? CREST is a good tool but should we study IT to be able to play Eve Online now ? We don't even speak about the dump. We can't do anything with that even if Steve tried to propose a page.
We don't speak about all time spent by some players to write on this wiki. It's definitely not respectuous for their time and subscription.
Sometimes, it's good not to go over the top.
Judge of The Law Organization and President of Stellar Order.
"Long is the way, and hard, that out of hell leads up to light". John Milton, Lost Paradise.
@ /// f
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Aldarin Makanen
EVO Legion. I N G L O R I O U S
0
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Posted - 2016.03.08 16:24:17 -
[116] - Quote
Signed.
Evelopeida was my go-to reference for all things EVE. I would regularly have several pages open at a time, practically every time I was online and playing. I found it helpful...more so than other 3rd party pages. Seeing it go was a kick to the groin.
Props to DeMichael "DMC" Crimson for posting the link to the Wayback Machine. Many thanks for that. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
1617
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Posted - 2016.03.08 16:45:24 -
[117] - Quote
Signed.
In all the years I have been playing EvE I have used EVElopedia several times weekly. Some info was indeed out of date, especially info on hulls and modules. But a most was definitely not and therefore still viable.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
1118
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Posted - 2016.03.08 17:54:48 -
[118] - Quote
Signed. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
526
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Posted - 2016.03.08 19:06:14 -
[119] - Quote
Soeculation, but most likely with the addition of new investors and board members they are trying to tighten the ship, maximize the income and cut down on all costs. I'm not really surprised although saddened by this.
The CSM XI Election are now open until March 25th, 2016. Please consider Niko Lorenzio for CSM XI.
CSM matters, your voice matters, your vote matters!
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Achanjati
Royal Amarr Science Institute
767
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Posted - 2016.03.09 10:16:51 -
[120] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote: Yeah, funny thing about this thread is there used to be an ISD team that specifically looked after the Wiki.
For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki.
Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along.
In the first, yes, there was a topic an you could fill out an application. On the second view, there are cases where you fill out the application and didn't even get a response. And if asked, CCP just say: "Sorry, we can't see your application". CCP Phantom stated in the german forum that they had "technical issues" in the past so not all applications could processed or could get lost. But "it should be fixed now, just fill out your application again." It's not a funny thing saying this to players after destroying their motivation by disregarding them. |
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Dori Tos
Galactic Innovations
58
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Posted - 2016.03.09 20:20:05 -
[121] - Quote
Signed.
Not only is it bad to rely solely on third party websites to provide information for your game, the said websites also don't have all the information that was contained within the EVE wiki. Now leaving a lot of info on the game pretty much unavailable.
I'm delicious.
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Astenia Riraille
Skolly fleet Southern Sitizens
0
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Posted - 2016.03.10 12:51:46 -
[122] - Quote
Signed |
olegez
Russia Caldari RUCA Emperor
4
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Posted - 2016.03.10 14:38:21 -
[123] - Quote
signed |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
148
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Posted - 2016.03.10 16:14:27 -
[124] - Quote
Signed |
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2016.03.10 16:55:55 -
[125] - Quote
Aviola von Yodalgut wrote:
The person referred to is, unfortunately, not official CCP, nor does he provide a link to a reliable CCP post.
Petitions like this are VERY useful, IF CCP is paying any attention to their playerbase.
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
271
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Posted - 2016.03.10 16:57:07 -
[126] - Quote
And signed.
Lore is important for world building. |
Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
343
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Posted - 2016.03.11 09:53:13 -
[127] - Quote
I agree. Evelopia should live. And it should still provide the barebone game knowledge as it were, and featured in the game itself, as it was pre-opportunity age. But it also needs more tender care. So who will care for it? Isn't that what we have the ISDs for as well? ISD Mercury is I think the part that also shepherds the lore, so at least they will have a significant impact on it.
THere are too many third party knowledgebases tout there, and part of them are a) outdated b) too wordy c) biased d) Parts or all of the above.
I'd like to keep an unbiased, up-to-date and short source for eve, and evelopia has to be that. Because it's official.
The more CCP outsources their game, the worse it gets.
EDIT: As a prime example; how am I going to discuss ship crews now with people if I cannot reference to the original document any more? |
Yuri Ovechkin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.11 11:01:11 -
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http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki
i'm just posting that link, simply wondering why there seems to be no eve wiki on their site... why doesn't someone start it up, gamepedia is the official site for so many games, why not band wagon and join the club
and of course there's
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page
for now... |
REE POMANIUS
Heaven's Harvesters
1
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Posted - 2016.03.11 21:19:54 -
[129] - Quote
Signed.
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Sildriel en Chalune
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.03.12 03:42:24 -
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The EVElopedia was the best source of information regarding DED sites. Signed. |
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Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
346
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Posted - 2016.03.12 10:39:06 -
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I think we should salvage things before it is too late. Because I get the feeling that CCP will not even bring back the lore-portion of the wiki.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
http://web.archive.org/web/20160119152537/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53511
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Posted - 2016.03.13 20:11:22 -
[132] - Quote
I agree 100%.
Even though you're a little bit late with the link, it's definitely good to see I'm not the only one who uses the Wayback Machine.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
785
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Posted - 2016.03.13 21:13:28 -
[133] - Quote
Signed. Was my go-to for info on PvE sites of all types plus other info...there does not seem to be any comparable resource so I'm now reduced to guesswork and memory.
Evelopedia was a critical resource and I don't understand why it was shuttered.
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Otto3d
Aerospace Corporation
8
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Posted - 2016.03.16 03:07:02 -
[134] - Quote
Signed.
EVElopedia < add this to your sig to show u WANT it back
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Galaxxis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2016.03.16 04:50:29 -
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EVElopedia was super useful! Even though some stuff there was out of date, there was tons of good information. Please bring it back! |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
144
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Posted - 2016.03.18 08:39:14 -
[136] - Quote
Surprisely this thread is still here. |
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
278
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Posted - 2016.03.22 22:06:36 -
[137] - Quote
It is, but someone said that CCP was putting the information in a new place rather than just deleting it and letting 3rd parties do what they may? |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
27
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Posted - 2016.03.23 09:05:54 -
[138] - Quote
I knew, given time, this thread would grow to rival EVE-lo-peedia... Instead of building a threadnaught, why not build another informational site? No. WAIT! You want someone ELSE to do it! I GET IT! |
Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
19
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Posted - 2016.03.23 11:14:07 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:
1. 3rd-party wikias lack on information about New Eden's lore and history.
So add it, thats the point of a wiki
Quote:2. EVElopedia was directly accessable from Help menu and popular among new pilots.
Until they realised it was rarely ever updated and showed stats from patches released a decade ago?
Quote:3. EVElopedia was an official resource. 3rd-party wikias may be closed by their owners anytime, access to 'em may be limited, and it's content may not be trusted.
Well even official ones can be pulled so it being "official" or "3rd party" doesn't change that fact
Well you could start your own that wont disappear randomly overnight, domains are cheap and hosting isn't the most expensive thing in the world
Quote:If someone have enough time and effort, he may be able to make a mirror-site for EVElopedia and community may ask CCP for full EVElopedia dump - if it was not destroyed already.
To be fair you're probably better off just using the SDE and coding something from the ground up, the issue with evelopedia is the pages were static, they had to be manually updated whereas using the SDE all you do is update the database and bam your "wiki" is already up to date with ship stats, item names and more :P
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The Golden Serpent
Order of Jamyl
149
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Posted - 2016.03.24 11:07:07 -
[140] - Quote
My husband still plays Eve and on the launcher got a notice saying free 10 days if people who quit before february come back.
I came back to find out they deleted Evelopedia with no notice, a site I used everyday when I was playing as a yearling newbie. Also the roleplaying community completely decimated, from the capital of Providence to Amarr Prime. I am not sure what they think I want to come back to. Evelopedia was a great roleplaying resource, with entertaining player biographies. It was not perfect but they were very unresponsive to volunteers.
I volunteered to help update evelopedia last summer when they put out a call but never got a reply back.
If they want the players to keep websites up to date why not give them evelopedia for starters, instead of deleting it? |
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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2016.03.24 13:23:30 -
[141] - Quote
letting third parties control the flow of information is subject to abuse. an article about certain complexes may contain notes to discourage from running them (either explicitly or implicitly by adding a few more neut towers :D), or more subtly you could get advertisement to stuff like corporations. Or pages about corporations might include messages which allude to the meaning of: "If you don't join a player corp you're bad at eve" and propaganda directed at other corporations. (I'm as subtle as a brick but i know some of you goebbels' out there know how to do this and people don't even know.)
So i am all for a neutral, objective CCP site that gives a base of information about stuff in the game. It may be a sandbox but that doesn't mean it has to turn into a mudpit. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
328
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Posted - 2016.03.24 13:47:49 -
[142] - Quote
yeah they need to reopen it, I no longer have access to my disclaimer of ccp saying that its not encouraged to run multiple accounts at once....
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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The Golden Serpent
Order of Jamyl
150
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Posted - 2016.03.27 08:12:22 -
[143] - Quote
Wikipedia does just fine and backstage isn't worried about it, they shouldn't either. Here's the new evelopedia migration
http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Main_Page |
Voron Gray
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.03.27 22:48:53 -
[144] - Quote
Signed. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
53943
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Posted - 2016.04.06 00:49:30 -
[145] - Quote
The Golden Serpent wrote: Well, I checked that site out and quite frankly it's very disappointing. They've deleted a lot of important pages that were in Evelopedia. Don't know what their criteria was for deciding what to save and what to delete but in my opinion that site is now way less informative than the original Evelopedia.
Anyway, in case you missed it I had posted a link to view Evelopedia in this thread and I also created a thread in Missions & Complexes sub-forum called :
EVELOPEDIA via The Wayback Machine
The Wayback Machine enables Evelopedia viewing but no updating. The search option doesn't work so navigation to a specific page is done manually by using the various links inside the wiki.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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black cree
Utopian Research I.E.L.
52
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Posted - 2016.04.06 18:22:10 -
[146] - Quote
Signed. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1108
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Posted - 2016.04.06 20:42:14 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:For a long time there was a sticky'd thread here in GD calling for people to join the team. It had virtually no active players as volunteers to help maintain and update the Wiki.
Now it's been removed people are complaining. They could have become an ISD on the relevant team and helped all along. Or they could have let players with an active account log in and update the data without all the ISD fuss. It's fine when it comes to forum moderation. But for updating a game wiki ?
Remove insurance.
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Marie Curiiee
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.04.06 23:46:48 -
[148] - Quote
bring back eveopedia!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Lugh Crow-Slave
2533
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Posted - 2016.05.14 10:26:55 -
[149] - Quote
The wiki was full of outdated and sometimes just flat out misinformation that did nothing but screw over players trying to learn
The lore part is a sad bit of collateral though
Citadel worm hole tax
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54733
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Posted - 2016.05.14 10:34:00 -
[150] - Quote
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:The wiki was full of outdated and sometimes just flat out misinformation that did nothing but screw over players trying to learn People keep saying this but never point out exactly what they're talking about.
Now I've checked out other 3rd party Wiki's and in my opinion they're all just as bad. That's why my character Bio has links to multiple Wiki's.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Pix Severus
Empty You
4388
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Posted - 2016.05.14 11:21:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:The wiki was full of outdated and sometimes just flat out misinformation that did nothing but screw over players trying to learn
The solution to this was actually quite simple, and didn't require taking down the entire thing.
Simply put the line "This article may be outdated and/or incorrect" in large, noticable text at the top of the page.
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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
290
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Posted - 2016.05.19 15:04:15 -
[152] - Quote
Pix Severus wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:The wiki was full of outdated and sometimes just flat out misinformation that did nothing but screw over players trying to learn The solution to this was actually quite simple, and didn't require taking down the entire thing. Simply put the line "This article may be outdated and/or incorrect" in large, noticable text at the top of the page.
Exactly.
Lore and detail are important for world-building. World-building creates a more interesting environment for players in that world. To remain consistent, it generally needs to be done by someone with a vested, long-term interest in that world and game. |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
152
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Posted - 2016.06.15 10:12:55 -
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Sustrai Aditua wrote:I knew, given time, this thread would grow to rival EVE-lo-peedia... Instead of building a threadnaught, why not build another informational site? No. WAIT! You want someone ELSE to do it! I GET IT! For a reason. I'm too lame in web-codin' by myself and quite not sure 'bout building new wiki on some pre-made engine for a reason described here:
Alexandros Balfros wrote:To be fair you're probably better off just using the SDE and coding something from the ground up, the issue with evelopedia is the pages were static, they had to be manually updated whereas using the SDE all you do is update the database and bam your "wiki" is already up to date with ship stats, item names and more :P But, if i'll have enough time for it, may be i'll take a try. Anyway, it looks like community accepted CCP's choice, and new wiki may become just my very own toy for myself only. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2722
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Posted - 2016.06.15 11:03:51 -
[154] - Quote
CCP are already working on a replacement for the lore part of EVElopedia. The biggest issue is that EVElopedia was taken down before the replacement could be made.
Mechanics details will remain a third party thing though. |
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
75
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Posted - 2016.06.16 02:53:42 -
[155] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:CCP are already working on a replacement for the lore part of EVElopedia. I'll believe it when I see it. inb4 one year from now we still don't have it. |
Velarra
523
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Posted - 2016.06.16 04:16:00 -
[156] - Quote
Main page http://web.archive.org/web/20160227175748/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Main_Page
The lore & fiction http://web.archive.org/web/20160227180049/https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Portal:EVE_Fiction |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
86
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Posted - 2016.06.16 06:38:23 -
[157] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:CCP are already working on a replacement for the lore part of EVElopedia. The biggest issue is that EVElopedia was taken down before the replacement could be made.
Mechanics details will remain a third party thing though. I really don't believe it. Evelopedia was just some webspace with virtually no costs for CCP. Why should they take something down that costs no money and angers the community when they are working on an replacement? Doesn't make sense only when they realized that they made an mistake and in that case to put evelopedia back online would be a simple task for some web admin. Best example of how bad this idea was are the Force Auxiliaries. Try to find them on Uni Wiki. Force Auxiliaries you just can't find and if you search for the ship name you get a stump with just the lore and no stats at all. And Uni Wiki is THE recommended site by CCP as an evelopedia replacement. EVE without a manual is a really bad idea! CCP should create and refresh the side and just open it up to comments. They need the documentation for internal use anyway.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
820
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Posted - 2016.06.16 08:12:28 -
[158] - Quote
Geronimo McVain wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:CCP are already working on a replacement for the lore part of EVElopedia. The biggest issue is that EVElopedia was taken down before the replacement could be made.
Mechanics details will remain a third party thing though. I really don't believe it. Evelopedia was just some webspace with virtually no costs for CCP. Why should they take something down that costs no money and angers the community when they are working on an replacement? Doesn't make sense only when they realized that they made an mistake and in that case to put evelopedia back online would be a simple task for some web admin. Best example of how bad this idea was are the Force Auxiliaries. Try to find them on Uni Wiki. Force Auxiliaries you just can't find and if you search for the ship name you get a stump with just the lore and no stats at all. And Uni Wiki is THE recommended site by CCP as an evelopedia replacement. EVE without a manual is a really bad idea! CCP should create and refresh the side and just open it up to comments. They need the documentation for internal use anyway.
Maybe the point is to destroy a knowledge base of mission and complex data that erodes some of the mystery of the game. It could be because people keep railing on them for how outdated and lame so much of the pve is. It could be for technical issues. It could be for financial reasons. It could be simple misanthropy. It makes no sense that much worse websites are left intact and online like the godawful spacejam site from the 90's while evelopedia which contains an appreciable amount of community and employee constructed data is removed with weak reasoning.
Personally I think it its all those things I mentioned. It's suspicious at best and incompetent at worst. |
Arkoth 24
Phayder
185
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Posted - 2016.06.23 09:08:19 -
[159] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:The biggest issue is that EVElopedia was taken down before the replacement could be made. Looks like a kind of habbit:
- take down Wiki before make any replacement and ask users to make their own;
- take down browser with no replacement at all and let third-perty devs clear up the mess;
- swith off Dust and say that someday it will be replaced with some other project. |
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