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Nostrop
Oh Bugga Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.03.01 16:15:22 -
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Hey guys, So inbetween exploration / ratting and waiting for fleets to get in, im thinking (as a total pvp noob) what ship should i trian for to be able to kill hostile pilots in out alliances home space. (that would mostly meam explorers and gate campers with sabres / svipuls, at least that`s what i have encountered) I`d like to note that i`m a total fan of cov ops cloaking device, and with that im mind i thought of either recon ship or a T3 cruiser, like Loki. On that one i could fit a probe launcher as well, as i have good scanning skills, so i could scan down some pilost as well. So guess what i`m basecly asking for is: is a Loki with a cov ops device and i probe launcher a viable option for killing small to meduim size targets, while having the home space advantage? Or i`m open to any other suggestions? Looking into recon ships (the one`s not decectable by D-scan, and the gallante one has a good bonus for scramblers... Any more ideas ? TY :)
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.03.01 16:19:04 -
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rook or orthrus
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.01 17:18:49 -
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sounds more like a stratios to me, which is in essence a **** vexor with a cloak (good ship mind)
im new to the loki myself so i dont have a ganky-coaky-loki fit for you , i do have a verry tanky one though with **** poor dps but its explicitly not for solo.
Better the Devil you know.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.03.01 19:57:53 -
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Lan Wang wrote:rook or orthrus Nobody sane starts a solo fight with a Rook. If they do, they are probably bait. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.01 23:18:53 -
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I keep reading these posts from new players asking which expensive T2 or T3 ship that they should fly to learn how to PvP.
If you don't know how to PvP fly cheap stuff.
Once you learn how to PvP you'll know when to fly more expensive stuff and which more expensive stuff to fly.
To me the bottom line is that if you have to ask you should not be worrying about it. Meaning if you have to ask which T3 or faction ship to fly into PvP then you should be flying cheaply fit T1 ships.
And here I go again linking the eveiseasy > 17 day old rifter alt pwning years old T2 pilots just to prove that it's not how expensive the ship that you fly is nor how many skill points that you have but how much you know about the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de1hwoFYA_k |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.02 00:09:11 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Lan Wang wrote:rook or orthrus Nobody sane starts a solo fight with a Rook. If they do, they are probably bait.
I think you are mistaken here. An actively tanked Rook with RLMLs (and no ECM, mind you) is pretty baller. It kills frigates like it's nobody's business, can hold it's own against many faction cruisers and can at least drive kiters away that are too fast. And as a cherry on top, it doesn't show up on d-scan, so nobody knows that you are sitting in a site until they land on you. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.02 00:48:54 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Lan Wang wrote:rook or orthrus Nobody sane starts a solo fight with a Rook. If they do, they are probably bait. I think you are mistaken here. An actively tanked Rook with RLMLs (and no ECM, mind you) is pretty baller. It kills frigates like it's nobody's business, can hold it's own against many faction cruisers and can at least drive kiters away that are too fast. And as a cherry on top, it doesn't show up on d-scan, so nobody knows that you are sitting in a site until they land on you. hams are actually pretty boss on that thing too.
Better the Devil you know.
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2016.03.02 04:06:23 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Lan Wang wrote:rook or orthrus Nobody sane starts a solo fight with a Rook. If they do, they are probably bait. I think you are mistaken here. An actively tanked Rook with RLMLs (and no ECM, mind you) is pretty baller. It kills frigates like it's nobody's business, can hold it's own against many faction cruisers and can at least drive kiters away that are too fast. And as a cherry on top, it doesn't show up on d-scan, so nobody knows that you are sitting in a site until they land on you. I think he means no one will want to fight a rook. Which is probably true, although as a recon you stand a better chance of catching people that don't want to fight. If I had to choose one for solo pvp I'd probably choose a pilgrim or curse though.
Anyway I agree with erg. Eve is a complicated game. No one is immediately good at pvp. You will be much happier in the long run if you start cheaper. You'll be able to take more fights, which means more experience, which means you'll get better faster. And your losses will be less discouraging. Because you will lose quite often in the beginning. So budget for it and you'll enjoy the experience more.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.03.02 05:52:47 -
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as ergherhdfgh said, plan your train to fly big ships (if you really like them) but don't rush into them. start and learn with cheap T1 frigs/dessies/cruisers first because you are guaranteed to die alot. a decently fitted T3 cruiser will cost a minimum of 500m and don't expect that a single ship will last for a couple of days if you are genuinely gonna be active in PvP.
train your core and fitting skills to atleast 4 and i suggest to train AWU 5 and thermo 5 as soon as possible, it will be long but very useful.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.02 06:33:04 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:
train your core and fitting skills to atleast 4 and i suggest to train AWU 5 and thermo 5 as soon as possible, it will be long but very useful.
This is good advice to follow when planing your training. However don't get caught in the trap of waiting for skills to train. No amount of skill points can compare to experience and you are far better off going out and gaining experience than sitting around and waiting for skills to train.
This is a game about personal human based player skills and knowledge and not so much character skill points. There is no level cap or structured and balanced PvP in this game. Waiting for skills to train is what players from other MMOs do that come here and don't bother to learn the game. Players like that often wash out in short order with a rage post and biomass involved somewhere along the way. |
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Nostrop
Oh Bugga Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.03.02 07:02:27 -
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Dears, Thank you a lot for all the input. I do agree that RvB would definetly get me more pvp experiance and with less isk, and that`s probalbly what i should do with an alt, but here`s an example - 3 ships (most probably multiboxed) a sabre / svipul and one more i cant recall, but a frig / destroyer calss are sitting in a pipe system in 0.0 camping gates. If i show up in any T1 frig, do i really stand a chance ? I asked about the T3 ship not because i want to fly a shiny toy that costs isk, but because in my opinion i maybe could fight with thoes 3 and kill them. And yes, the fact that a it`s a T3 might help me in the lack of pvp experiance.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.03.02 07:53:29 -
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No.
In reverse order.
T3 doesn't help you at all. It just makes you a juicy km. Sure you'll have a powerful ship, but without the experience you earned getting blown up in frigates fighting t3 ships, you don't know how to defend against a t1 frigate piloted by someone that knows what they are doing. One of the reasons you need to learn to fight IN frigates is so later when you fly bigger ships you know how to fight OFF frigates.
PvP isn't really about showing up in the bigger ship. Could you fight them in a t1? Probably not. Svipul and Sabre are dessy so they are specifically designed to kill frigates. For a frigate to take a dessy on, you have to totally be on your game, and you have to fit specifically for the occasion.
You see, PvP in eve isn't about being awesome enough to take on those three ships, not that there aren't players that can't, because it happens. PvP in eve is being able to look at those three ships, know what they are, what their role is, and a couple different ways they could be fitted, and INSTANTLY evaluate whether you have a chance of winning or not. Then either attack in the most effective manner, or retreat in the most effective manner. If you can't instantly evaluate this situation, then you shouldn't be flying an expensive ship. This is one of those player skills we mention.
RvB is a good way to get your pvp game on.
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Nostrop
Oh Bugga Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.03.02 08:07:09 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:No.
In reverse order.
T3 doesn't help you at all. It just makes you a juicy km. Sure you'll have a powerful ship, but without the experience you earned getting blown up in frigates fighting t3 ships, you don't know how to defend against a t1 frigate piloted by someone that knows what they are doing. One of the reasons you need to learn to fight IN frigates is so later when you fly bigger ships you know how to fight OFF frigates. Sure a good t3 pilot could take out those 3 ships. But you're not a good t3 pilot. So a t1 frigate piloted by a competent pilot, might be able to kill your t3 cruiser without the help of the dessys.
PvP isn't really about showing up in the bigger ship. Could you fight them in a t1? Probably not. Svipul and Sabre are dessy so they are specifically designed to kill frigates. For a frigate to take a dessy on, you have to totally be on your game, and you have to fit specifically for the occasion.
You see, PvP in eve isn't about being awesome enough to take on those three ships, not that there aren't players that can't, because it happens. PvP in eve is being able to look at those three ships, know what they are, what their role is, and a couple different ways they could be fitted, and INSTANTLY evaluate whether you have a chance of winning or not. Then either attack in the most effective manner, or retreat in the most effective manner. If you can't instantly evaluate this situation, then you shouldn't be flying an expensive ship. This is one of those player skills we mention.
RvB is a good way to get your pvp game on.
Made a lot of sense, awsome :) TY Iria. |
Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2016.03.02 15:52:00 -
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I'm not saying you have to go to highsec and use only frigates. A t1 cruiser with a clever fit cam handle the situation you describe. And then when it turns out there were actually 20 of them, you'll just be losing a neut vexor and not a loki. Also if the fight is more challenging you'll learn more about piloting and tactics. You don't learn anything from fights that are too easy.
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Yumiko Momaki
Dark Horse Cartel. Lost Cause Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.03.05 06:05:04 -
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Are you going to solo or fleet? wtf. You need something fast for solo |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.05 13:32:12 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote: T3 doesn't help you at all. It just makes you a juicy km.....
Iria's whole post is awesome I just clipped the quote to save space but wanted to add on to what he says here.
Other MMOs teach players bad habits that don't work in Eve and need to be unlearned if you want to be good at this game.
In other MMOs With level caps and gear progression bigger is most certainly better and you want to make sure that you are level capped and in the best gear that you can get your hands on before you PvP.
In Eve a 2 week old pilot in a cheap T1 small ship can take out a 10 year old pilot in an expensive T2 or faction Battleship with officer mods. Also in Eve when there is no running back from the graveyard or respawning at the nearest spawn point. When you loose your ship in Eve you have to replace it which means that unless you are funding your looses with the trust fund that you dad Bill Gates made in your name then flying expensive ships means that you can afford less engagements and thus less experience. The experience will do you way more good than the expensive ship.
I also want to expand on what Iria is talking about with you being a juicy KM:
Let's just say for example's sake that you were and experienced pilot and could take on those 3 ships in a T3 cruiser and win. If they were at all decent pilots then they would know that as well. So that leaves them with 2 choices. One they could just run and not engage you. Two they could engage you and take turns taking damage and keeping you in the fight just long enough for their buddies to show up and finish you off. It's called baiting, it's part of the meta game and Eve is all about meta gaming.
I live in null sec and I can tell you that the only thing that gets players more jacked up about KM whoring and running out to a location just to get in on the KM than a T3 is a cap ship. I see T3 KMs linked all day long. That is what null sec PvPers live for and once you are reported in intel every PvPer with in several jumps will be headed your way to get a piece of the action and be in on your KM.
At that point the only way being in a T3 can help you is that if the other players got too eager and could only play with one hand because dreaming about your KM has them with their phallus out and stroking to the thought of your half a Billion isk KM with their other hand.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.05 13:40:18 -
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A general point about life and how the human experience works and how we learn:
We don't learn from things that are easy we learn from things that are challenging. People who are really good at what they do did not get there by seeking out easy they got their by seeking out difficult.
If you are looking for easy wins then it will take you longer to get good at this game and you will likely never be great at it.
If you seek to put yourself in challenging situations and learn from each experience then you can become really good at this game and become what is often referred to as a content creator. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.03.05 13:57:22 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:If you don't know how to PvP fly cheap stuff. +1. That's top notch advice right there.
There's a plethora of cheap T1 cruiser down hulls that you should be learning in before jumping into horrifically expensive T3 cruisers. Remember also that dying in a T3 cruiser will cost you another ~4-6 days of training (depending on your current attribute map) to retrain the subsystem skill you lost.
Stabber, Vexor, Thorax, Moa, Maller, Omen, Caracal, Rupture are all great choices and won't break the bank.
You can also look at even cheaper options in smaller hulls.
The T1 destroyers are all well capable of completely wrecking any frigate you come across, so long as you don't do silly things with your fitting. A top notch frigate pilot will be able to take you on and win, but 99% of frigates you can get a tackle on will asplode in a satisfying manner. I've had immense fun with a 10MN afterburner fit Algos in the past.
The T1 frigates are somewhat less durable, however if you're in your alliances space and can get tackle onto something, you can hold them down until help arrives. I've done this numerous times myself in a range of frigates from an Atron (cheap!) to a Dramiel (not so cheap).
You will make piloting mistakes and in EVE, one mistake can often cost you your ship. Start cheap, you'll be glad you did. (just look at my combat alts early killboard (details in sig). it's a vast ocean of losses. those early losses were mostly cheap Atron and Maulus frigates.)
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