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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.06 23:48:00 -
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I'm confused. My Alliance is currently at war with Delictum 23216, a bunch of Nefantar and their sympathisers that post here now and then portraying an image of fiery religious fervour. I think all that fervour must have messed with their perception because some of them have some very odd standings for servants of the mandate.
Take Jania Cross for example. She has generally low standings overall but there is clear evidence of work for various Republican companies. (Freedom Extension 1.97, Brutors 1.49)
Then take Pherlopolus. His Bio states Quote: Torn between the need to earn money and a love of spending isk, Pherl splits his time evenly running missions for minmatar agents and killing angel scum in immensea.
Loose your way there Pherlopolus? It would seem so because somehow the Brutors hold him at 7.53 and Freedom Extension at 5.75.
Pulgor seems to have worked for everyone and then some but Republic Fleet standings of 9.28 can't be a source of pride in his current occupation. Still I see he's been putting in some hours for the Ammatar Consulate so good effort there Pulgor.
The CEO, Scagga, claims that the Republic doesn't exist yet has Republic Fleet at 4.76. Mind you seeing that some Mandate stations look so much like ours he must've just docked at the wrong place. You'd think the uniforms would've been a bit of a hint though? However he's been around a long time as well so maybe it's old age creeping up on him.
They do have a couple of model serfs though. Shern has made more of an effort to serve her government and Yaerev Aeyar is quite the model Nefantar. Pity he couldn't get the Mandate to sponsor his pilot's licence though.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 00:25:00 -
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Arnulf Ogunkoya,
Are you saying that you are surprised that there are Ammatar sympthazisers inside the Republic? Sympthazisers that will gladly provide isk, information and resources to these Nefantars you mentioned?
The recent Muritor debacle should have made clear not all Matari noses point in the same direction.
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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.07 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Arnulf Ogunkoya on 07/02/2007 00:36:19
Originally by: Merdaneth Are you saying that you are surprised that there are Ammatar sympthazisers inside the Republic? Sympthazisers that will gladly provide isk, information and resources to these Nefantars you mentioned?
I wouldn't be surprised at the existence of Ammatar sympathisers in the Republic. I seem to recall reading a quote somewhere about the most abundant things in the universe being hydrogen and human stupidity.
That's not the point though. Delictum talk a good talk about being Ammatar patriots. Some of them would appear to have come into this attitude rather late in life. Some just seem to be in it for the guns & snazzy ships.
Now you PIEmen talk the talk and walk the walk. I doubt I could dig up many embarrassing biographical details on your membership. But worry not. I don't like you lot much either. I just respect you is all, which is more than I can say about Delictum. Regards,
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Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.07 00:50:00 -
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All I see is evidence of the corruption within the Republic. The fact that you hold this as an example of ridicule to the Ammatar is beyond me.
The very fact that the Republic which you hold so dear allows those who work against it such luxurious standings is why people like Muritor died in the first place. Never mind freeing your people when there is profit to be made.
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Agustus Caesar
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.07 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi All I see is evidence of the corruption within the Republic. The fact that you hold this as an example of ridicule to the Ammatar is beyond me.
The very fact that the Republic which you hold so dear allows those who work against it such luxurious standings is why people like Muritor died in the first place. Never mind freeing your people when there is profit to be made.
It's obvious these fools used to do immense amount of contract work for Republic corporations before getting suckered in to joining the Ammatar cause; and these people were so below the radar that these corporations haven't bothered reseting their standings toward them. Don't confuse busy bureaucrats with outright corruption and treason.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 02:51:00 -
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Quote: Loose your way there Pherlopolus? It would seem so because somehow the Brutors hold him at 7.53 and Freedom Extension at 5.75.
Obviously the hard work of these faithful Ammatar has so influenced the Brutor agent community and Freedom Extension that they have been swept away in a tide of religious revival and have thus granted such high standings. This is not unusual as the Minmatar realizes all he has lost and turns to God with such devotion.
Quote: Pulgor seems to have worked for everyone and then some but Republic Fleet standings of 9.28 can't be a source of pride in his current occupation. Still I see he's been putting in some hours for the Ammatar Consulate so good effort there Pulgor.
Pulgors work for the Empire has taken him into the heart of sin of the Republic thus its clear those standings are reflective of the level of competence he's exhibited in his mission.
Quote: That's not the point though. Delictum talk a good talk about being Ammatar patriots. Some of them would appear to have come into this attitude rather late in life. Some just seem to be in it for the guns & snazzy ships.
Some may have come to God later in life but the fact they've turned the corner off the path of sin and walked toward Gods light is enough to earn the respect of all Minmatar. They should be your role models not scorned.
Quote: "It's obvious these fools used to do immense amount of contract work for Republic corporations before getting suckered in to joining the Ammatar cause; and these people were so below the radar that these corporations haven't bothered reseting their standings toward them. Don't confuse busy bureaucrats with outright corruption and treason."
I think they were "embraced" by God not "suckered" in by God. I believe you are just jealous at the level of enlightenment these Ammatar have reached and are only bitter as you've not achieved such success yourself.
Archbishop
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.02.07 03:03:00 -
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Delictum 23216 maintains that the factions operating in the terra irridente support our Ammatar cause. You may disagree, but then you are the victim of your gallente spin-doctors.
I hope to see you in space.
Scagga Laebetrovo
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G0rF
Gallente The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:02:00 -
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Delictum's commitment to the Empire looks to me to be as empty as their threats.
G0rF, The Gallente Spin Doctor.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar The Paratwa Ka Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:14:00 -
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Those following the Ammatar are obviously incapable of showing commitment to it's cause for long periods of time. This is just the latest bandwagon to come along for them.
They even work for the Republic to maintain some form of living. Shows you how poor a choice the Ammatar Mandate is ...
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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Aava Nefarr
Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aodha Khan Those following the Ammatar are obviously incapable of showing commitment to it's cause for long periods of time. This is just the latest bandwagon to come along for them.
They even work for the Republic to maintain some form of living. Shows you how poor a choice the Ammatar Mandate is ...
Your beloved 'republic' cannot discern friend from foe.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:47:00 -
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Quote: Your beloved 'republic' cannot discern friend from foe.
I agree fully look at the tribal bickering going on daily here as they fight back and forth amongst themselves. Clearly they are in need of Enlightenment and the stable guiding hand of God and the Amarr Empire.
Archbishop
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.07 17:29:00 -
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I agree with many of the Ammatar here - the Ammatar are investing in the future.
They are well aware that when CONCORD and other empires get tired of the constant breaching of the Yeoul Treaty that goes on every single time an Amarrian or Ammatarian refuses to recognise the Minmatar Republic as a sovreign state and actually does something about it, they'll need someone's skirts to hide under. Preferably someone with big enough guns to protect them from both CONCORD and their angry former masters.
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I agree with many of the Ammatar here - the Ammatar are investing in the future.
They are well aware that when CONCORD and other empires get tired of the constant breaching of the Yeoul Treaty that goes on every single time an Amarrian or Ammatarian refuses to recognise the Minmatar Republic as a sovreign state and actually does something about it, they'll need someone's skirts to hide under. Preferably someone with big enough guns to protect them from both CONCORD and their angry former masters.
The "Republic" never was or is a soveriegn state. The are a bunch of Tribes at war with eachother. Their minds and spirits clouded by delusions of Spirit Ancestors and Tribal Rituals given to them by the Betrayer.
I don't think the Amarrians nor Ammatari need to hide from anyone, in fact the Great Reclaiming has begun.
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Agustus Caesar
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.07 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ostos Marek
The "Republic" never was or is a soveriegn state. The are a bunch of Tribes at war with eachother. Their minds and spirits clouded by delusions of Spirit Ancestors and Tribal Rituals given to them by the Betrayer.
I don't think the Amarrians nor Ammatari need to hide from anyone, in fact the Great Reclaiming has begun.
Funny, seems you and your Amarrian pupeteers are the only ones who subscribe to that theory. Every other nation and respecatble organization has recognized the Republic long ago. Make whatever claim you want, when I fly through Republic controlled space, the CONCORD registry shows the Republic, not the Mandate or the Empire, as having control over the system. We can go back and forth all day about who has the actual rights to the territory; but at the end of the day the systems are patrolled by Republic ships and the stations are leased out by the Republic government, with no heed paid to the Amarr or Ammatar governments. When the Republic no longer shows up on the CONCORD registry as holding any systems, THEN you can claim the Republic doesn't exist; in the meantime everyone who makes this claim displays a poor grasp on reality.
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:18:00 -
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Rather than deal with the absurd discussion the author would wish, let us turn to something else. Delictum pilots swear loyalty to the Mandate and the Empire. They fight hard, and they are worthy of respect. Certainly they have more substance than the author, or members of your friendly departed PW. At the very least you and yours are in no position to judge them.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:19:00 -
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Agustus, bear in mind that being right does not immediately equate to being in the 'majority'. Your claims can be likened to a man defined by popular opinion. They lack any vestige of truth, merely a endless oaf-like rendition of the filth proponated by the masses.
Think for yourself, Agustus. Analyse the your sources. You will see endless conflicts of interest. You may be a clever man, able to see past their lies and understand why we cannot recognise this 'republic'.
The righteous must tolerate the ignorance of many to save those who will listen to truth...a truth that supercedes the fripperies so valued by heathen organisations. They are blissfully ignorant. We offer our hand, let us lead you, in the spirit of the Emperor (Blessed be HIS name) to the path of true learning and advancement.
I hope you may one day be of those who accept the truth, freed from the malicious lies that eat to the very core of the non-enlightened.
Kindest regards
Scagga Laebetrovo
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Agustus Caesar
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.07 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Agustus, bear in mind that being right does not immediately equate to being in the 'majority'. Your claims can be likened to a man defined by popular opinion. They lack any vestige of truth, merely a endless oaf-like rendition of the filth proponated by the masses.
Think for yourself, Agustus. Analyse the your sources. You will see endless conflicts of interest. You may be a clever man, able to see past their lies and understand why we cannot recognise this 'republic'.
The righteous must tolerate the ignorance of many to save those who will listen to truth...a truth that supercedes the fripperies so valued by heathen organisations. They are blissfully ignorant. We offer our hand, let us lead you, in the spirit of the Emperor (Blessed be HIS name) to the path of true learning and advancement.
I hope you may one day be of those who accept the truth, freed from the malicious lies that eat to the very core of the non-enlightened.
Kindest regards
Scagga Laebetrovo
The comment on the Ammatar/Amarr bloc being the only ones not to recognize the Republic government was a just one part of my over all argument; granted it was the opening statement, but you still leave the rest of it unadressed. I was stating that its foolish to pretend to claim ownership over 3 regions in which you have, at best, a marginal military presense or political control. I have examined the evidence, read up on both sides' claims to the territory; and I still believe that the Republic holds claim to the territory in every way shape or form. Other than the occasional military incursion neither the Amarr nor the Ammatar seem to posses any substantial claim on the territory. My position still stands, so long as the Republic maintains control over its territory you cannot make a believeable claim that it doesn't exist. Religious dogma is no substitution for military victories and territory controlled. As for your backhanded comments on my intelligence and ability to think for myself; I'm not the one pretending a nation of billions is a myth.
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