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NVail
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Posted - 2007.02.07 02:01:00 -
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FYI. Maybe everyone already knows this, but I sure couldn't find it anywhere. I spoke to my agent and bought datacores before accepting his T2 bpo offer, and the BPO offer disappeared. Zero warning, zero documentation that I can find, and petition said it was a 'feature'. So, if you're wondering what would happen: Now you know for sure, some fool tried it and bpo goes poof. Needless to say, there are now more datacores on the market, and one more pod pilot rather frustrated about how some game features are rather incomplete.
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 02:41:00 -
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what a retarded feature, did the guy escalate the petition to a senior gm?
its like winning the lottery going to hand the ticket in but tough luck you already bought a ticket for next weeks sorry
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NVail
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Posted - 2007.02.07 03:00:00 -
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The GM was very polite but quite clear - he went and asked for assitance to help me, and came back with it's-a-feature-sorry-can't-help. I know I'm not to post the exact conversation, but that's what it was. Went through two rounds of clarification are-you-sure, and net result is I'm out of a BPO.
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Kolbert
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Posted - 2007.02.07 03:05:00 -
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Wow.. that blows! I'd be QUITE ****ed if that happened to me.. First I head about purchasing datacores makes you loose your T2 BPO offer..
Think that at the very least a warning needs to pop up.. (If you purchase a datacore, I will not be able to give you the BPO I researched) or something..
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 07/02/2007 03:09:17
Originally by: NVail The GM was very polite but quite clear - he went and asked for assitance to help me, and came back with it's-a-feature-sorry-can't-help. I know I'm not to post the exact conversation, but that's what it was. Went through two rounds of clarification are-you-sure, and net result is I'm out of a BPO.
ask him where this feature is documented and ask for a senior gm, dont give in! btw if i was you i would start a thread about it in general discussion , its bound to get spammed with posts and a dev will probably notice it.
dont accept less than a dev telling you tough luck!
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Consrul
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Posted - 2007.02.07 03:15:00 -
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well if it had worked - you would have scammed the system. You knew what you were doing when you tried it..seriously - sucks for you - but had it worked it would have been an exploit.
You get BPO offers with RP's ..you buy DC's with RP's....if you spent all yer RP's on DC's and had less RP's than when you got the offer...why would you think you still would get to spend RP's on BPO's?
Seriously - you tried to scam and you lost out on a T2 BPO over it.
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NVail
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Posted - 2007.02.07 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: NVail on 07/02/2007 03:20:08 There is *no* mention of an RP cost with the BPO offer. There is no mention of an RP cost when you talk to the agent. I understand why it is like it is, but if a choice must be made it, it should be clear. A blueprint costs all of your RPs when you claim it, but it has no fixed price associated with it - you can get one for 100 RP if you manage to get lucky with a lame agent.
I asked where this was documented. The answer was, it isn't documented, but it's still the way it is. As far as I know, this thread is now the only existing "documentation" of this "feature".
I would like a warning dialog added, or a restricted option when you talk to the agent so you can only claim the bpo or decline the bpo when a bpo is outstanding. I want the game to work in a logical sane clear manner, where if you are making an either/or decision it's clear. It wouldn't hurt to have me give up the 4 datacores I bought in exchange for the BPO, but I'm ok with losing it at this point. I really would just rather see a bit of polish on the interface. I'm tired of things that make no sense, ever since I first tried to figure out where to accept the offer to join a corporation up until my first contract bugged out and I lost a rig to now where a T2 bpo disappeared without a warning. Fix the interface. Make the new features actually work. I know I was playing spreadsheets in space, but at least Excel has a manual and a useful help file. Eve just seems to take for granted that you'll take whatever it throws at you and you can't quit and go elsewhere because there is nothing else like it, but there comes a point when you want the new shiny to actually work...
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 03:31:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 07/02/2007 03:27:33
Quote: well if it had worked - you would have scammed the system. You knew what you were doing when you tried it..seriously - sucks for you - but had it worked it would have been an exploit.
no it would have been an undocumented feature oops never mind only a feature when it suits ccp
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Consrul
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Posted - 2007.02.07 04:00:00 -
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Yeah - well I can understand why you are ****ed off - BUT - any sensible person would have taken the T2 BPO IF it was a good one - you made a concious thought to "try" spend your RP's before taking the BPO...because you knew you would have zero RP's after you accepted the BPO.
You have no right to kick CCP over it - Kick yourself.
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NVail
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Posted - 2007.02.07 04:11:00 -
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Hm, so Eve should be about punishing people for trying things? This game has plenty of actions that have consequences, but warning dialogs or tutorials or manuals or the knowledgebase or *something* somewhere at least give you a *chance* to find out what the consequences are before you choose to get blown up or whatever.
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Ionia
Advanced Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.02.07 04:21:00 -
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This is completely your fault, you tried to manipulate the system to be more profitable for yourself and it backfired. The GM was 100% right in his response.
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Arric Rohr
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Posted - 2007.02.07 04:46:00 -
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If I got a T2 bpo offer, I would slowly and carefully press the right button, making sure not to slip... I wouldn't try to buy datacores first, fearing that it would screw up the incredibly more valuable T2 bpo offer.
I have to agree. Maybe it's not documented, but it's not documented anywhere that running into a wall may hurt your head. You have to just kind of assume...
AR
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Consrul
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Posted - 2007.02.07 04:46:00 -
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*Warning* If you warp to this asteroid belt - you might die *Warning* If you sit on this gate in a carrier you might get ganged annd lose your carrier *Warning* If you sell this item under market value - you might lose ISK *Warning* If you accept this lame ass Social Adaption V Implant offer - you might lose money *Warning* If you are at war with a corp and you fly around in a hauler - you might lose all yer crap *Warning* If you buy ISK off e-bay you might find your ISK in the negative *Warning* If you use exploits you might lose your character
You blew it - stop blaming CCP and get on with it. Personally this game has so many mechanics and is so deep - I would hardly expect to have warnings - in fact I find them annoying - everytime I am presented with an option.
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IonHammer
Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: NVail Hm, so Eve should be about punishing people for trying things? This game has plenty of actions that have consequences, but warning dialogs or tutorials or manuals or the knowledgebase or *something* somewhere at least give you a *chance* to find out what the consequences are before you choose to get blown up or whatever.
If you did this and said you wernt thinking i would say tough luck, but u have to know that your offer is based on the pile of rp's your got when the offer comes right.
I can imagine the code monkeys thinking nah! no ones going to try that for crying out loud.
If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith |
CynoJane
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:33:00 -
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This "feature" is new to the latest patch. 2 weeks ago I had an offer for a fairly crappy bpo and I bought 4 dc's before I took the offer. Jealousy about his offer is not a good reason to call it an exploit as the most dc's you could possibly get before the offer expired is 28. Considering the bpo cost me over 100k rp's, spending a few hundred to help further the crappy invention system instead of acting like a noob and clicking the "accept free isk button" as fast as you can, should be a good thing...
I would complain a bit further about this considering there was no mention in the last patch notes that this changed.
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:35:00 -
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then if it wasnt mentioned in the patch notes by all rights he should have the t2 bpo.
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Fabienne Runestar
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:29:00 -
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Wow what a bunch of bitter people here. Nvali, don't just go with the first or second answer from CCP's staff on this issue. As has been stated in this very thread, this was a new undocumented change from how things were done in the past. You deserve the chance at the BPO, go for it, keep the petition going as long as you can. Ask for this be escalated to a Lead GM to get what should be yours. --
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Maggie Moo
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Fabienne Runestar Wow what a bunch of bitter people here. Nvali, don't just go with the first or second answer from CCP's staff on this issue. As has been stated in this very thread, this was a new undocumented change from how things were done in the past. You deserve the chance at the BPO, go for it, keep the petition going as long as you can. Ask for this be escalated to a Lead GM to get what should be yours.
Of course, on the other hand, they don't always document that they fixed an exploit either.
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NVail
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:05:00 -
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Thanks for the update CynoJane. Interesting to know it used to work. I'm not making this up, it definitely doesn't work now. :(
Maggie, current practice regarding actual exploits is to put the fixes in the patch notes after the patch has gone live.
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:13:00 -
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I guess its easy to fall into that trap if you never won a bpo before. When your agent offers you a bpo, it will deduct all your RPs when you accept it, and return you to zero RP, i.e. the project has ended. If you claim datacores and the RP is no longer there, then you can't claim the BPO. Makes sense in a way, but I have never demanded datacores so I am not sure how that works either. Does that suck all your RP at once? -------------------
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Live Eye
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Live Eye on 07/02/2007 16:14:16
Originally by: Consrul *Warning* If you warp to this asteroid belt - you might die *Warning* If you sit on this gate in a carrier you might get ganged annd lose your carrier *Warning* If you sell this item under market value - you might lose ISK *Warning* If you accept this lame ass Social Adaption V Implant offer - you might lose money *Warning* If you are at war with a corp and you fly around in a hauler - you might lose all yer crap *Warning* If you buy ISK off e-bay you might find your ISK in the negative *Warning* If you use exploits you might lose your character
You blew it - stop blaming CCP and get on with it. Personally this game has so many mechanics and is so deep - I would hardly expect to have warnings - in fact I find them annoying - everytime I am presented with an option.
Can't wait to meet you in space, get ready to see your clone tank cover from the inside...
Live Eye
PS- These people aren't bitter, they're ****s.
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Vol Jbolaz
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Posted - 2007.02.07 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Consrul *Warning* If you warp to this asteroid belt - you might die *Warning* If you sit on this gate in a carrier you might get ganged annd lose your carrier *Warning* If you sell this item under market value - you might lose ISK *Warning* If you accept this lame ass Social Adaption V Implant offer - you might lose money *Warning* If you are at war with a corp and you fly around in a hauler - you might lose all yer crap *Warning* If you buy ISK off e-bay you might find your ISK in the negative *Warning* If you use exploits you might lose your character
People are so judgemental and "it's my toy, go away" on this board.
When you go to reprocess something or repackage something, there is a warning of sorts. If you commit a hostile act in empire space, you get a big ol' warning. I do agree that there should be a warning if the action you are getting ready to take will cancel an offer of any sort.
Now, I do think the OP should've realized that his RPs were tied up in the BPO offer and that he couldn't buy DCs without canceling the BPO offer first. Failing to understand that is failing to understand how research works. Maybe CCP should put together better documentation, but they can't give you that BPO offer again. There is a limited number of T2 BPOs, and as soon as you canceled that offer, it went back into the lottery and was offered to someone else. To give it back to you would mean taking it from them.
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Marcusi
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Marcusi on 07/02/2007 18:46:11 If you get an evemail from a missioning agent saying they have an important job for you, it doesn't disappear if you do another mission first. If you get an offer from a missioning agent to trade in LP for something, there's an actual amount listed for the exchange.
With the T2 lottery, it's not entirely naive to expect it to behave similarly. So he sat on the offer and "bought" something else with some RPs in the meantime while he considered it, only to discover an undocumented game mechanic. One that royally screwed him.
So he comes here to document the game mechanic for others to help the community and he gets lambasted. Nice community. ___________________________
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City Chick
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Posted - 2007.02.08 01:01:00 -
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LOL
And you think we pvper's are always trying to exploit the systems to our advantage. I have seen carebare's in a completly different light, your greedy little gits arn't ya.
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2007.02.08 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ashira Twilight on 08/02/2007 01:59:58 I've known that you lose your RP when you accept a tech 2 bpo offer from your R&D agent since my first week of playing eve.....and I have zero R&D agents. It's a lottery. If you went out and bought 300k lottery tickets, and WON, it's not like you get to keep those tickets for the next drawing...
And besides, if it were a good bpo offer, why did you even wait to accept it? If it was a craptacular bpo, don't sweat it.
I'd trade every single bit of isk on my accounts, and every sp between them for a hulk bpo....mmm
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Genericforumalt
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.02.08 02:11:00 -
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YOU LOSE
GOOD DAY SIR
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.08 05:36:00 -
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Sounds like a retarded feature.
If one RP is a "ticket" in the lottery and you have 100k RP then theres a one in 50 chance that you "spent" that RP on datacores.
Escalate, escalate, escalate. Ignore the jealous noobs and trolls here
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.08 09:31:00 -
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The limit of 4 datacores per day will soon disappear, or be changed to something much higher. When that happens, someone getting a Bpo offer could theorically buy 100, 200 datacores, and then get the Bpo.
That, would be an abuse of the game mechanics. It's only logical that you can't do it. The OP knew that all his RP would be lost if he accepted the bpo. And the game is full of undocumented things. Everyone also know that. He tried to be smarter than the game mechanics, he lost, tought luck...
About this not appearing in the patch notes, CCP usually don't advertise potential exploits before they're corrected, unless they're already common knowledge (carrier cargohold bug, or light drones used as pos decoys, comes to mind...). ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types. |
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