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Xoria Krint
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:39:00 -
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If you knew you had a dev in your corp and he traded you a tech II bpo and said he spawned it for you, Would you accept it?
If you where hauling expensive **** and needed information about the route, would you ask the dev to scout it for you?
Have you ever seen/heard that someone broke the EULA without sending a petition? Account Sharing/IRL money sales/third party programs?
Some of us might say yes. Some of us no. Would love to see some honest answerers on these question. But the guys that say yes to any of this question would probably not admit it. In my opinion its not the player that cheat if they say yes to a spawned tech II bpo, its the dev.
Banning Kugusuhblaha was wrong in my opinion, I would like to see the vise versa. Facing court but not banned.
Don't hate the player, hate the dev.
Im not from a English speaking country so there might be some grammatic/spelling wrong. ---
My Movies
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2007 11:39:09
Originally by: Ander
Fact(?): The CCP dev player had 10 t2 bpo's which he left to BoB. Question: What's the chance of accumulating 10 t2 bpo's on a few characters? How many characters did he have? Did he pay for all "player" accounts/characters which got bpos through R&D?
of those 10 bpos 8 were ammo bpos as far as im aware. Those 8 bpos would be worth about 10-15 bln isk in total. Not a huge sum if you buy them over time. The other 2 Bpos which i remember were a malediction and a sabre. Both no items which cant be afforded.
I myself bought in the early days of eve an interceptor bpo for 1 bln isk and i know of a few non BoB guys selling their t2 cruiser bpos for 30bln isk so ask yourself how likely it is to gain enough wealth to be in the possession of 10 (minor) t2 bpos, even with just a single agent (who drops a t2 cruiser bpo of a ship in demand).
The questions of how many bpos he got is really pointless. I got a m8 who got 3 bpos from 5 agents while one of my char got 1 and the other got 0. The lottery system was always borked.
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SNeAkYbRiT
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2007 11:39:09
Originally by: Ander
Fact(?): The CCP dev player had 10 t2 bpo's which he left to BoB. Question: What's the chance of accumulating 10 t2 bpo's on a few characters? How many characters did he have? Did he pay for all "player" accounts/characters which got bpos through R&D?
of those 10 bpos 8 were ammo bpos as far as im aware. Those 8 bpos would be worth about 10-15 bln isk in total. Not a huge sum if you buy them over time. The other 2 Bpos which i remember were a malediction and a sabre. Both no items which cant be afforded.
I myself bought in the early days of eve an interceptor bpo for 1 bln isk and i know of a few non BoB guys selling their t2 cruiser bpos for 30bln isk so ask yourself how likely it is to gain enough wealth to be in the possession of 10 (minor) t2 bpos, even with just a single agent (who drops a t2 cruiser bpo of a ship in demand).
The questions of how many bpos he got is really pointless. I got a m8 who got 3 bpos from 5 agents while one of my char got 1 and the other got 0. The lottery system was always borked.
so can i have them BPO's as well plz????
I guess not so wake up bud this is CHEATING if we all cant have these BPO's why should BoB.
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Starblizz
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2007 11:39:09
Originally by: Ander
Fact(?): The CCP dev player had 10 t2 bpo's which he left to BoB. Question: What's the chance of accumulating 10 t2 bpo's on a few characters? How many characters did he have? Did he pay for all "player" accounts/characters which got bpos through R&D?
of those 10 bpos 8 were ammo bpos as far as im aware. Those 8 bpos would be worth about 10-15 bln isk in total. Not a huge sum if you buy them over time. The other 2 Bpos which i remember were a malediction and a sabre. Both no items which cant be afforded.
I myself bought in the early days of eve an interceptor bpo for 1 bln isk and i know of a few non BoB guys selling their t2 cruiser bpos for 30bln isk so ask yourself how likely it is to gain enough wealth to be in the possession of 10 (minor) t2 bpos, even with just a single agent (who drops a t2 cruiser bpo of a ship in demand).
The questions of how many bpos he got is really pointless. I got a m8 who got 3 bpos from 5 agents while one of my char got 1 and the other got 0. The lottery system was always borked.
btw, thanks for conferming what everyone has being saying about bob for ages
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT
so can i have them BPO's as well plz????
I guess not so wake up bud this is CHEATING if we all cant have these BPO's why should BoB.
Huh? Winning or buying T2 BPO's is cheating?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:47:00 -
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Confirming what ?
He said that the fact one guy had ten bpo's isn't that strange at all.
The real question is wether he spawned them or bought/won them. That's what he meant. The number of them indicates nothing in itself.
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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dj lightning
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: dj lightning on 07/02/2007 11:45:55
Originally by: Kcel Chim Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2007 11:28:24
Originally by: dj lightning Just shows u are only where u are b/c u are CHEATS.
I also remeber a CNR and Nighthawk take down 5 IAC ships in the championships the CNR was not even taking any shield damage 1 word HAX.
As for the tech 2 BPO`s u have HAXED that has got u important isk for Mothership/Titan BPO`s + more tech 2 BPO`s in my book u will always be CHEATS.
1 more thing as for the Titan wreak where is the 1`st dread wreak in game CCP or was it b/c we was NBSI and not BOB that u have not put this in.
DJ
I hope ure not serious with that post....
If you are i recommend you a) check the Tournament Video again since ure lacking abit of info or remmeber it abit different then the rest of us. b) reconsider / recalculate the amount of isk those ammo bpos + the 2 ship bpos can produce and compare it to the amount needed for the capitals you named. c) Ask yourself what kind of real proof you have that someone actually rigged the t2 lottery from another account for BoB chars and if or how that is even possible (sorry i lack the dev skills to know how all gamemechanics work) d) reconsider and compare the importance of the first dread kill - worth 1.5 bln isk, very common ship, for everyone and his dog affordable and flyable to the first titan kill - worth 150 bln isk, 3-5 ingame, highly unlikely to ever reach common status due to the nature and work it requires till its build.
It was the 1st ever CAPITAL SHIP to be killed and the biggest ingame at that time when they was few dreads ingame its not about isk value its about eve history but b/c we are not in BOB that it does not matter.
As your point about the tech 2 BPO`s u sure know alot about what was given out.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Starblizz
btw, thanks for conferming what everyone has being saying about bob for ages
confirming what you believe anyways ?
Im not part of the investigation, im not even part of the BoB IGA. I guess we all have to wait on kieron to clear up the t2 bpo thing for the slow kids amongst us.
However my post above gave enough food for thought to ask yourself how awesome those supposed to be haxed t2 bpos really were. Wouldnt u think a dev cheating, risking his rl job and additionally his 3 years gaming past / future for some iskies would atleast spawn large t2 weapons, hacs, commandships and not ammo + small ships?
I guess this kind of thought never dawned for the hatemongers and forumkids....
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SNeAkYbRiT
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 07/02/2007 11:49:16 ummm you've taken my post out of context and trying to twist it...CHEATS!
ever thought that spawning the lower T2 BPO's wouldnt be noticed as much but still give an advantage...guess not, but continue with the put downs cos ya making ya self look pretty slow.
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Kldraina
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:50:00 -
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People keep complaining about how kieron's post doesn't ease the suspicions of CCP bias. Maybe the real reason kieron's post is so vapid, is because he is secretly trying to make all of EVE rise up against BoB. |
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2007 11:51:00
Originally by: dj lightning
As your point about the tech 2 BPO`s u sure know alot about what was given out.
I do know what Mr.K presented to the public. Hey mentioned the bpos i refered to. If true or not i cant, similar to anyone else not prove. Ill take, like its the fashion of the day, his word for it on this occasion and just put his blog as a reference for their kind and nature.
As for the first capital ship kill, where is the first Bs, the first hac, the first faction cruiser, the first carrier or the first minging barge (they are ORE ships so special too) ?
A titan was both from background and from the dev blogs always a special, a mystical ship. Back in 2003 Tomb made statements about titans already and how they would be flying monuments only huge alliances could be afford to fly. A statement which would be nicely backed up by a monument for the first destroyed one. However i dont remember him talking about dreads or commandships or mining barges.
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Sally Va
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:53:00 -
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So this is CCP's official final statement on the matter ?
I cannot even begin to describe how much you've disappointed me.
If my company had built a new car, say a prototype and wants to test how it performs, they take it to a test-track, put it in windtunnels, and undergoes crash-tests with dummies.
Saying 'no it has to be out in the streets of real everyday traffic from day 1' is plain criminal and accidents are bound to happen !
If DEV's need testing to be done, do it in controlled TEST environments, end of story. DEV's playing EVE and mingling in corporation/alliances/decisionmaking is undermining your company credibility and your game. |
Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:53:00 -
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If CCP had any will at all to fix the tech 2 problem this wouldn't bother the community so much. BoB still has a collection of bpo's longer then my arm, so for all it cares they still have the i-win eve button.
In the end most of the eve fun imo is flying nice toys and blowing things up, Bobbits can do it 95% of the time they are online due to not having to carebear like every other player to fly those toys.
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Danny Hawk
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sinlare
Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT ummm you've taken my post out of context and trying to twist it...CHEATS!
God cheated by putting you all in one corporation. Never knew he could be so sadistical.
sry i guess only multiple bob and alts can post there opinions on here
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ollymac
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:55:00 -
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as so say mentioned the bpo's that where spawned or given is irrelevent due to the fact the there small makes them less conspicuous at the time. but there value is also in that catergry,but the value after making and selling the produced so said items is in the billions. all i can say is bob are Cheats !!!!
ollymac
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Starblizz
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Starblizz
btw, thanks for conferming what everyone has being saying about bob for ages
confirming what you believe anyways ?
Im not part of the investigation, im not even part of the BoB IGA. I guess we all have to wait on kieron to clear up the t2 bpo thing for the slow kids amongst us.
However my post above gave enough food for thought to ask yourself how awesome those supposed to be haxed t2 bpos really were. Wouldnt u think a dev cheating, risking his rl job and additionally his 3 years gaming past / future for some iskies would atleast spawn large t2 weapons, hacs, commandships and not ammo + small ships?
I guess this kind of thought never dawned for the hatemongers and forumkids....
if you wanted to draw attention to your self then yes, as a dev you would spawn those bpos. however you your self have pointed out that this would be a great risk.
the simple fact remains: that a dev can/has done this. this alone makes people belive that there is an unbalance.
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Kerdrak
Amarr 3B Legio IX Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:56:00 -
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CCP must remove all TechII BPO from game. CCP must stop playing this game. This game is their source of income not their source of leisure... The game is for the players.
If CCP doesn't do that 2 points, corruption will continue...
________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
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UKM Thorgrim
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:57:00 -
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CHEATS .. BAN THE THEM ALL for Cheating
but if the Devs and GM's only favour one side, corp, alliance is there really any point in contuining to play, this game. as it's all a little one sided, as to the best moons, systems, BPO's, you name it,
i beleive that it's not just bob that are to blame,
This looks like the End to a very good game..
Honour & Steel. |
Aleric Vikyz
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:58:00 -
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I am both disgusted and dissatisfied with CCP's reactions to these claims. It's unfortunate that I need be so cynical and disillusioned about a game whose idea is actually rather grand.
Your paying customer, Anton (AKA: Aleric)
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Starblizz
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim Edited by: Kcel Chim on 07/02/2007 11:51:00
Originally by: dj lightning
As your point about the tech 2 BPO`s u sure know alot about what was given out.
I do know what Mr.K presented to the public. Hey mentioned the bpos i refered to. If true or not i cant, similar to anyone else not prove. Ill take, like its the fashion of the day, his word for it on this occasion and just put his blog as a reference for their kind and nature.
As for the first capital ship kill, where is the first Bs, the first hac, the first faction cruiser, the first carrier or the first minging barge (they are ORE ships so special too) ?
A titan was both from background and from the dev blogs always a special, a mystical ship. Back in 2003 Tomb made statements about titans already and how they would be flying monuments only huge alliances could be afford to fly. A statement which would be nicely backed up by a monument for the first destroyed one. However i dont remember him talking about dreads or commandships or mining barges.
in that day and age dreads were titans, or maybe you've forgoten those days... how convient
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 07/02/2007 11:49:16 ummm you've taken my post out of context and trying to twist it...CHEATS!
ever thought that spawning the lower T2 BPO's wouldnt be noticed as much but still give an advantage...guess not, but continue with the put downs cos ya making ya self look pretty slow.
technically a flagging system doesnt make a difference between spawning a low level item and a high level one since ingame value is very subjective. To rig the lottery in the fashion you describe would require alot of work i guess and alot of hassle for very small profit. If someone would want to cheat it would be far more convenient to spawn -1- high or medium value bpo. Instead of risking to create -10- possible points where things could go wrong.
As you said yourself, 1 time lucky possible without a doubt. 10 times without further explination would surely make ppl raise eyebrows.
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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Logan Feynman on 07/02/2007 11:57:24
Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT ummm you've taken my post out of context and trying to twist it...CHEATS!
This is not about "you", "me", "them", or anything else. This is about allegations of dev misconduct, regardless of the alliance they were in.
Incident with faction-fitted scorpion gave reasons to believe that, if any miscondut was found, it would be stated so (which happened then). It was not.
The only thing Kieron stated was that some people unfortunately lost their accounts.
Either Kieron is BoB, CCP heads are all BoB, or this whole matter was blown out of proportion by some conspiracy fanatics.
Say "screw you CCP and BoD" and leave or think it through and STFU. Or wait a bit more in case Kieron decides to post a clarification for the thinking-impaired.
Edit: Which I doubt anyone would believe that doesn't already believe CCP anyway. .
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Captain Thunk
Explode. Now. Please.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Confirming what ?
He said that the fact one guy had ten bpo's isn't that strange at all.
The real question is wether he spawned them or bought/won them. That's what he meant. The number of them indicates nothing in itself.
No, The dev in question was outed months ago and as a result had to leave RKK - presumably to go to the biomass and be reborn elsewhere per CCPs stance on dev outings. This had nothing to do with Kugu or his site as it happened long before by the way, I think the guy who petitioned this dev for "fixing the t2 lottery" was actually in RKK, his main was never identified. If you know who he is contact Dianabolic as I think he's still looking for him.
The problem here is that when he left he donated his T2 BPOs to RKK rather than taking them with him.
I believe Kugu said he owns(owned) a hulk BPO amongst others - wonder where that is now he's banned.
CAPTAIN THUNK.
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team. |
Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ishmael Hansen If CCP had any will at all to fix the tech 2 problem this wouldn't bother the community so much. BoB still has a collection of bpo's longer then my arm, so for all it cares they still have the i-win eve button.
In the end most of the eve fun imo is flying nice toys and blowing things up, Bobbits can do it 95% of the time they are online due to not having to carebear like every other player to fly those toys.
Your post is a perfect example of hidden agenda's of the posters in this thread. You find a good scapegoat (BoB) and accuse them of all that is wrong with your petpeeve (in this case the t2 lottery) and hope CCP will change it by claiming this is the thing that bothers the community. |
Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Starblizz
in that day and age dreads were titans, or maybe you've forgoten those days... how convient
Dreads were never titans. Tomb talked in his early blogs about flying stations. The concept of a titan and the ship already existed ingame since 2003 / 2004. Dreads were at no point anywhere close to that concept. They were a byproduct of the Structure / Station implementation which required a new superpower siegeweapon.
The titan as a flying station however is part of the history and the story arc of eve ever since its creation and has been in the dreams of many ppl for as long.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 07/02/2007 12:01:58
Originally by: Shin Ra In typical "New Labour" Style, this seems severely lacking in content. I do appreciate your attempt to look into this. I'm not aware if you are aware of the full effect of the allegations. There was multiple evidence by those in question about certain other people breaching various parts of the EULA, including buying/selling character for $$$. Have any of these been investigated and if so what was their results?
Originally by: Xendie
when will db preacher be banned for ebaying101
Originally by: Masochistic Cannibal # Why did Dev's ignore account sharing and character sales for $$$ within BoB ?
A very simple check by CCP will confirm that there is no dodginess on any of my accounts.
I would happily allow CCP to release information pertaining that investigation because I have nothing to hide.
However, the very fact that I remain in the game in the light of those serious allegations should prove that no part of the EULA was broken by myself.
Quite frankly, and I did say so at the time, the dude was full of crap but it's far easier to smell the stench of deciept regardless of what is said.
I was targetted specifically. First with the "allegations" of character sales, then with the demand that I quit or future potential CCP players names would be released. I guess some people forgot where the game stopped and real life started for a little bit.
Either way, it's the last time I'll comment on this point and any further comments in any other threads about this (exluding this one ofc) will simply be petitioned.
Cheers, dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Starblizz
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Starblizz
in that day and age dreads were titans, or maybe you've forgoten those days... how convient
Dreads were never titans. Tomb talked in his early blogs about flying stations. The concept of a titan and the ship already existed ingame since 2003 / 2004. Dreads were at no point anywhere close to that concept. They were a byproduct of the Structure / Station implementation which required a new superpower siegeweapon.
The titan as a flying station however is part of the history and the story arc of eve ever since its creation and has been in the dreams of many ppl for as long.
does the whole first cap ship kill and the largest ship in the game being killed (at that time) mean nothing?
sorry to me the whole killing a logged off titan means nothing to me as well
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Starblizz
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Starblizz
in that day and age dreads were titans, or maybe you've forgoten those days... how convient
Dreads were never titans. Tomb talked in his early blogs about flying stations. The concept of a titan and the ship already existed ingame since 2003 / 2004. Dreads were at no point anywhere close to that concept. They were a byproduct of the Structure / Station implementation which required a new superpower siegeweapon.
The titan as a flying station however is part of the history and the story arc of eve ever since its creation and has been in the dreams of many ppl for as long.
does the whole first cap ship kill and the largest ship in the game being killed (at that time) mean nothing?
sorry to me the whole killing a logged off titan means nothing to me as well
youre right killing the biggest ship at a time means nothing. The titan, regardless of how it was killed, was always supposed to be the uberendgame ship and since it requires a whole alliance and alot of manhours to fly its just natural that its considered a major achievement. Far above the first dread which took 1 person 2 hauls in a freighter, a bpo and back then a 1.0 empire station to build. A freighter which btw was the first capital ship ingame not the dread class. Which also means that the first dread kill wasnt even the first kill of "a new class of ships".
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Comstr
Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:09:00 -
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So apart from deleting a couple of comprasmised characters, nothing else was done.
CCP, this is a stain on your honor. One you don't seem to really care about, or something would have been done. You belive nothing was wrong really, the dev's breaking the rules was a bad call, but nothing that deserves punishment.
People are closing accounts, and the stain on your honor will cost you far far more, than the cost of hiring a new developer or two.
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Danny Hawk
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 12:11:00 -
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ok then if thats ure stance the first freighter kill was by rat via a loggin trap the olny one theve ever used so weres the rat monument?
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