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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ifni on 07/02/2007 13:35:52
Originally by: spurious signal ...I feel that people like BoB are always going to get all the goodies. T2BPOs in the lotteries, rigged events that give them motherships, whatever.
FYI, that wasn't BOB, supposedly. But its nice to see Chinese whispers at work.
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SNeAkYbRiT
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Astasia Orian Can I have your stuff (all of you)?
Just ask a DEV for anything u want, u dont need our stuff
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31i73
BGG
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni Edited by: Ifni on 07/02/2007 13:35:52
Originally by: spurious signal ...I feel that people like BoB are always going to get all the goodies. T2BPOs in the lotteries, rigged events that give them motherships, whatever.
FYI, that wasn't BOB, supposedly. But its nice to see Chinese whispers at work.
well, actually, there was one yesterday Sister of eve or something, and just happened to go right were bob were.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
For those wanting to know whether the BPO's were gathered legitimately or otherwise, reread the above quote.
For a character to give an item to someone else an item transfer would be conducted through a trade window (transactional history). If you drop it into a hangar, it would be in the corporation logs, and if you leave it in a tin in space for someone else to loot that would also come under a transaction log.
Since the BPO's were part of the original accusation, I'm sure they were examined in the course of the investigation.
It sickens me to see so many people harping on about them; get off your high horses and realise that in your quest for "justice" and "truth" you've successfully destroyed the ingame lives of some of the people that work to improve the game that you're all addicted to. I hope you're pleased with yourselves.
The "GMs spawned t2 bpos" was never likely to be true. There was never any evidence that it happened. The accusations spawned as a result of chinese whispers.
The accusation that the GM/DEV/whatever gave his legit t2 bpos to RKK when he deleted/renamed his char was not answered.
So get off the horse.
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:43:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Ifni
For those wanting to know whether the BPO's were gathered legitimately or otherwise, reread the above quote.
For a character to give an item to someone else an item transfer would be conducted through a trade window (transactional history). If you drop it into a hangar, it would be in the corporation logs, and if you leave it in a tin in space for someone else to loot that would also come under a transaction log.
Since the BPO's were part of the original accusation, I'm sure they were examined in the course of the investigation.
It sickens me to see so many people harping on about them; get off your high horses and realise that in your quest for "justice" and "truth" you've successfully destroyed the ingame lives of some of the people that work to improve the game that you're all addicted to. I hope you're pleased with yourselves.
The "GMs spawned t2 bpos" was never likely to be true. There was never any evidence that it happened. The accusations spawned as a result of chinese whispers.
The accusation that the GM/DEV/whatever gave his legit t2 bpos to RKK when he deleted/renamed his char was not answered.
So get off the horse.
If they're legit, what does it matter?
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spurious signal
Caldari Brainiacs
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: spurious signal ...I feel that people like BoB are always going to get all the goodies. T2BPOs in the lotteries, rigged events that give them motherships, whatever.
FYI, that wasn't BOB. But its nice to see Chinese whispers at work.
Well, given that Kugutsumens blog is now private and that nobody is able to discuss the specifics on the EVE forums without getting moderated is it any wonder that the information flow isn't clean & clear?
What I'd been told was that it was RKK who had the T2 BPOs given to them by a dev. RKK are part of BoB yes? If it wasn't RKK then who was it? I don't want to be misinformed but with such limited access to information those of us who aren't in big alliances are left scratching around for the truth.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:46:00 -
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Also, to those of you unaware, BOB in no way benefitted from any alleged rigged events.
The story here related to an event held in Curse in which players were required to bring around 4-5 freighter loads worth of various items to a station in that region. The winning team, who recieved a Hel mothership for their troubles, allegedly only needed one freighter to transport all these goods, or so the story goes. Around that time, Nebulai, leader of Aurora was talking about some ISD Aurora member leaking information about an unspecified event that took "6 months of planning". Whether these are related or someone just put 2+3 together and came up with 4 is another story, but it was not BOB that were involed.
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Sadao
Minmatar Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:49:00 -
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Seriously CCP
All of the above
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Masochistic Cannibal
Amarr The Ring of Fire
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: spurious signal ...I feel that people like BoB are always going to get all the goodies. T2BPOs in the lotteries, rigged events that give them motherships, whatever.
FYI, that wasn't BOB. But its nice to see Chinese whispers at work.
Well, given that Kugutsumens blog is now private and that nobody is able to discuss the specifics on the EVE forums without getting moderated is it any wonder that the information flow isn't clean & clear?
What I'd been told was that it was RKK who had the T2 BPOs given to them by a dev. RKK are part of BoB yes? If it wasn't RKK then who was it? I don't want to be misinformed but with such limited access to information those of us who aren't in big alliances are left scratching around for the truth.
The accusations regarding that Event where not aimed at BoB, It was another alliance that mysteriously knew to move thier ships and equipment to a certain area before the event even took place. I cant remember which alliance and I cant be bothered to check But it wasn't BoB!
And you can still view Mr K's site you just need to have registered an account (at your own risk) before registrations where suspended which he did at CCP's request.
I still want to know as we know KNOW that T20 was in BoB why was account sharing and violations of the EULA ignored/swept under the mat ? Guesse we will never know, this will turn into the RA complex issue all over again. CCP will release a load of bullocks such as "we banned 2000 accounts last month"
Ie a vague comment open to interpritation. Where 2000 RA members banned ?
Or where 2000 Ebay spamming trial accounts / macro miners etc banned in that month.... oh I wonder
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Br0wn 0ps
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Merciless1
I'm speculating here, but there's no way that I'm aware of that would allow sombody to find out who a dev is unless the the dev did somthing stupid like tell sombody or use thier "dev magic" to the point where it became obvious or suspicious. If thier behaving as they should then they should just blend in with the rest of us mere mortals.
I'm guessing that it would be easy enough if a dev logged onto a corp/alliance forum from the office, and an underhanded forum admin looked up the IP addresses of everyone to see which ones belonged to CCP...or if you had ever heard a dev speak, and then heard him on TS/Vent
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:53:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sign up to your local witch hunta >>>>>>>>>>>> THATTAWAY!!!
:D
Must make a new sig now, laughing my sweet ass off at all of you haters.
muahahahahahahahaha
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Travis Raven
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:53:00 -
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By Christ you lot, listen to yourselves - this is a GAME!
You realise that you pay thousands in taxes to governments that $*&% you over day in, day out, don't you? If you put half as much effort into moaning about them as you do moaning about this game then democracy might not be as wholly screwed up as it's become.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Ifni
For those wanting to know whether the BPO's were gathered legitimately or otherwise, reread the above quote.
For a character to give an item to someone else an item transfer would be conducted through a trade window (transactional history). If you drop it into a hangar, it would be in the corporation logs, and if you leave it in a tin in space for someone else to loot that would also come under a transaction log.
Since the BPO's were part of the original accusation, I'm sure they were examined in the course of the investigation.
It sickens me to see so many people harping on about them; get off your high horses and realise that in your quest for "justice" and "truth" you've successfully destroyed the ingame lives of some of the people that work to improve the game that you're all addicted to. I hope you're pleased with yourselves.
The "GMs spawned t2 bpos" was never likely to be true. There was never any evidence that it happened. The accusations spawned as a result of chinese whispers.
The accusation that the GM/DEV/whatever gave his legit t2 bpos to RKK when he deleted/renamed his char was not answered.
So get off the horse.
If they're legit, what does it matter?
Its a grey area. AFAIK there are no rules regarding the specifics of such an occurance. You or I might not care, but plenty of people do. There are various ways to look at it. For example, lets say Khatred was a dev in burn eden. He gets caught and leaves us 1 trillion isk worth of t2 bpos. We then buy 10 titans. Fair? Not really. The case with BOB is clearly on a much lower scale but its arguable that the same principal could apply.
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Masochistic Cannibal
Amarr The Ring of Fire
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Masochistic Cannibal on 07/02/2007 13:51:22
Originally by: Dianabolic HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sign up to your local witch hunta >>>>>>>>>>>> THATTAWAY!!!
:D
Must make a new sig now, laughing my sweet ass off at all of you haters.
muahahahahahahahaha
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< THAT WAY TO THE SPECIAL BUS!
Dont dribble on the seats
Cannibal
I eat babies ! [Hauling services available~ Contact ingame] |
Phoenix Pryde
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.07 13:59:00 -
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LOL @ all these dimwitted BoB haters and other slightly biased folk ...
The one issue were most of you guys cling on is that some Char who was seemingly played by a dev handed his BPOs to his former corp before leaving. If anybody would try to look objectively at that he d know that having 10 BPOs (even gaining them from lottery) is by far no single event, i know plenty of people to who that applies. If one reads Kieron's statement one sees that everything is logged and can be checked upon.
Naturally, if one isnt interested in truth or fact, but simply cares about making somebody (BoB seems to be the target of choice here) look bad then this a perfect opportunity for one hell of a flamefest, isnt it ? :P
Who in his right mind trying to be somewhat objective and using his brain could not assume that CCP as a rather serious company, and by now also not so small anymore, has the measures and means to prevent and/or verify any misconduct.
The sheer biased-ness and hypocricy of many posters is quite obvious and anything but productive. You guys only ruin your own gameplay if you actually start to believe what you write.
The statement isnt all-encompassing nor giving too many details. Quite right. But thats not needed. One has the choice to actually read it and take it as it is. Or to ignore it a ramble about what one would have liked to see. From what i read here most ppl's choice was the latter. I for one am content with it
I guess i might be called a BoB alt now, but well, i ve been called a G alt before too, and i can assure you neither is true :P
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Callistus
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Apocryphai http://staff.ccpgames.com/vincent/ Says "t20" in several places there.
Hmm when I first clicked that link it just showed a white page with the CCP logo and the words "Under Construction"
Then it showed a big poster for an old film called "Clue". Beneath it was written in small print "Get one." (lol btw)
Now its just a black page with an exclamation mark. --------------
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Bertram Russel
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Madelchai Can I have your stuff (all of you)? quote]
Why? You guys don't seem to need it. Ask a dev for some if your in need |
Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:01:00 -
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Shin Ra.
I'd look at this (bpo) issue from the following viewpoint:
Would things have been any different if the character in question had been a regular normal non-dev guy ?
Answer in this case: most likely not, it's fairly customary within certain BoB corps that t2 bpo's end up corp property, especially when people quit or take breaks.
So, assuming ths guy in question would have been any regular trusted longtime member, things would have ended up the same, hence I see no issue.
People that distuinguish dev-owned player chars from paying cutomer chars and assert that only the latter should be allowed to own tech2 bpo's need to scratch themselves behind their ears and wonder if that would then need to go for being allowed to run 10/10 complexes, own outposts, motherships or titans, be ceo or director or whatever else we have in Eve that is available in limited quantity and thus can only exist in so and so large numbers.
Honestly, that's going way too far, and as Kieron stated CCP are not about to stop their devs from playing or limiting what they can do. So ...
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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Wodanonline
Pringles Inc. YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:02:00 -
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Ban them and end their relations to their in game friends/relations because their identity as a ccp employee is discovered? Because they abused their position thats why they got discovered.
how about fire them since they abused their position as dev or gm or whoever got that access to "help" their ingame relations ? such a person cant REALLY like this game if he has to do such stuff.
And it has a great impact to the ppl who DO like this game and pay MONEY for this game.
grtz
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra For example, lets say Khatred was a dev in burn eden. He gets caught and leaves us 1 trillion isk worth of t2 bpos. We then buy 10 titans. Fair? Not really. The case with BOB is clearly on a much lower scale but its arguable that the same principal could apply.
If Khatred obtained the T2 BPO's fairly through the lottery or market as any other player can, then yes it would be completely fair.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Quote:
- Did BoB know they were devs?
Not relevant. A good ethical player that finds out about the player identity of a dev shuts the **** up and lets the dev get one with his gameplay. Yes it creates an awkward situation because you don't want a dev to be put in a position where his interests collide. It's when the retards get hold of dev identities and use it to further their omgh4x crusades that things start stinking and characters get deleted. Serves noone.
This not irrelevant, it's the only really relevant thing in this case. The rules for Dev chars exist because players can not be expected to be good and ethical. And if the the logs posted are true the RKK leadership have not been good and ethical as they have passed on the knowledge of who these devs are among them selfs.
If one RKK member found out who was a dev and kept it to himself this would never have happened but the member that found these devs where not ethical enough to do so and spread the knowledge to others in RKK and so here we are. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Auman
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:05:00 -
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Presumerbly all the Black Lance members going mental over the last few pages have cancelled their subscriptions? I mean you'd have to have zero morals to continue playing if you truly believed these allegations and that a cover up was going on...
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi If one RKK member found out who was a dev and kept it to himself this would never have happened but the member that found these devs where not ethical enough to do so and spread the knowledge to others in RKK and so here we are.
Actually, it would still have happened, as much of the supposed correspondence was between the accused dev characters and non-dev characters, so your point is moot, and rod is right - it's irrelevant.
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Br0wn 0ps
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Achura Not fired over this and that alliance still keeps all the t2 bpo's and all the isk made off this.... This is a great game, but its run like crap, I am canceling all my accounts and taking my 90 bucks a month to a different game that is Fair to all its player base.
Can I have your stuff?
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bioqaz eylee
Amarr LifeLine Solutions
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Callistus
Originally by: Apocryphai http://staff.ccpgames.com/vincent/ Says "t20" in several places there.
Hmm when I first clicked that link it just showed a white page with the CCP logo and the words "Under Construction"
Then it showed a big poster for an old film called "Clue". Beneath it was written in small print "Get one." (lol btw)
Now its just a black page with an exclamation mark.
when i looked, when it was first posted, it was a blog that just had a link to someone's bf2 score card. hehe they edited that quickly.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Shin Ra.
I'd look at this (bpo) issue from the following viewpoint:
Would things have been any different if the character in question had been a regular normal non-dev guy ?
Answer in this case: most likely not, it's fairly customary within certain BoB corps that t2 bpo's end up corp property, especially when people quit or take breaks.
So, assuming ths guy in question would have been any regular trusted longtime member, things would have ended up the same, hence I see no issue.
People that distuinguish dev-owned player chars from paying cutomer chars and assert that only the latter should be allowed to own tech2 bpo's need to scratch themselves behind their ears and wonder if that would then need to go for being allowed to run 10/10 complexes, own outposts, motherships or titans, be ceo or director or whatever else we have in Eve that is available in limited quantity and thus can only exist in so and so large numbers.
Honestly, that's going way too far, and as Kieron stated CCP are not about to stop their devs from playing or limiting what they can do. So ...
Your assesment depends on knowing whether or not RKK got 100% of the bpo profits beforehands? If the dev kept some of the profits for himself to buy stuff or whatever, then RKK would still not be recieveing 100% of the bpo profits, as I assume they are doing now. So no, in that sense things are not equal. Of course, you can add things like if we had another pilot here we would have done xyz, but thats apples and oranges.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:10:00 -
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"others", if it happened at all btw, consists of maybe 3 people in this case. I don't think it happened at all tbh, but even if, that's the extent of it right there.
If RKK keeping that info to themselves shows anything, it is that they, as opposed to alot of people, can actually be considerate and ethical enough to stfu about it. Why, what a surprise, thought they were all cheating lying lowlifes...
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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Tomic
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Actually, it would still have happened, as much of the supposed correspondence was between the accused dev characters and non-dev characters, so your point is moot, and rod is right - it's irrelevant.
Keep digging guys :)
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Betonela
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: bioqaz eylee
Originally by: Callistus
Originally by: Apocryphai http://staff.ccpgames.com/vincent/ Says "t20" in several places there.
Hmm when I first clicked that link it just showed a white page with the CCP logo and the words "Under Construction"
Then it showed a big poster for an old film called "Clue". Beneath it was written in small print "Get one." (lol btw)
Now its just a black page with an exclamation mark.
when i looked, when it was first posted, it was a blog that just had a link to someone's bf2 score card. hehe they edited that quickly.
saved this http://bf2s.com/player/43339543/
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 14:10:18 Shin Ra, RKK are alot like Evol, they're maybe not as extreme as we are with our 100% corptax, but they're definately in the "filthy commie" category. So my guess would be that your question would be answered affirmatively.
Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
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