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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Tomic Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 14:47:52
Originally by: Dianabolic We've said it countless times, we're too good at this game for the devs NOT to watch us
Too good? or too many devs?
I suppose its a chicken and egg situation.
Yes, it must be that the devs are the only reason BoB win, that must be it.
Out of 1k characters, 200 active pilots, those 5 surely must make alllllll the difference...
so you say blacklight, sirmolle etc have no value what so ever and that is the collective bob that does the magic.. of course 5 people have impact in an allliance if they are part of the leadership.. it isnt a matter if they did all the difference it is a matter of tipping the scale..
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani I'm sure that Dianabolic would tell us all sorts of amazing lovely things that could exonerate him, but of course he's been "Sworn to Secrecy".
Band of Developers.
Just sayin'.
You do realise, Mittani, that that particular quote is one that I've never said?
That it's made up?
"CCP" have never spoken to me in any other capacity than moderator mails or kieron replying to my mails.
They've certainly never sworn me to secrecy
It's a great (mis)quote tho, I may even use it in a sig. It's just one example of poor old kugs flowering up his "data" a bit too much.
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Enjolras
Gallente Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:19:00 -
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What the heck, bro? http://staff.ccpgames.com/vincent/ was my favorite blog, why was it replaced?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Dianabolic on 07/02/2007 15:20:50
Originally by: Nyack so you say blacklight, sirmolle etc have no value what so ever and that is the collective bob that does the magic.. of course 5 people have impact in an allliance if they are part of the leadership.. it isnt a matter if they did all the difference it is a matter of tipping the scale..
Nyack, dear chap, that's a mighty big "etc".
Without molle would we be as effective? Surely not. Without BL? Surely not. Without reath? Surely not. How about Valora? Surely not.
If we lose ANY of our pilots, it effects our effectiveness, but so much that we aren't what we are?
Are you serious?
When we first hit Delve and left the north, we did so without molle or BL (iirc, I know he took a long sabbatical for some time around then). Over time we've gone without many of our "Major" players, and many of our "minor" but JUST as important players.
I said...
"Yes, it must be that the devs are the only reason BoB win, that must be it."
We don't play with Devs. We play with characters, normal eve pilots - if one of those pilots turns out to be a dev, I really don't care, because they never got treated any different by me, or anyone else.
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Tomic
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 15:23:13 http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2460/bobspacesg3.jpg
LOl - Suggested alterations to the alliance map.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: The Mittani I'm sure that Dianabolic would tell us all sorts of amazing lovely things that could exonerate him, but of course he's been "Sworn to Secrecy".
Band of Developers.
Just sayin'.
You do realise, Mittani, that that particular quote is one that I've never said?
That it's made up?
"CCP" have never spoken to me in any other capacity than moderator mails or kieron replying to my mails.
They've certainly never sworn me to secrecy
It's a great (mis)quote tho, I may even use it in a sig. It's just one example of poor old kugs flowering up his "data" a bit too much.
AnthonyZ is practically an Asperger's syndrome test case. He has no formal education and English is his second or possibly third language. He has no social skills to speak of, despite all he spews forth about 'social engineering'. When he splattered the contents of our forums all over here, it was a direct copy and paste... and quite boring. If he was the faking type, he could have gone for a much more convincing 'big lie' that the nauseating hypocrites that inhabit this forum would buy hook line and sinker, perhaps something about Remedial killing babies or worshipping Satan.
I have no reason to believe, given his past behavior, that he has suddenly been granted the ability to convincingly fake english language and diction, much less match your own personal style of speaking.
Occam's razor simply says that you are a liar. It is the simplest explanation, and the best. Just as the simplest explanation of Anthonyz is that he is a malicious hacker, and that this 'he was given a db dump' of RKK's forums is utter nonsense. All the parties in this lovely little tiff have blood all over their hands.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Dianabolic I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA?
I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish?
Show me where this was proven to be complete rubbish.
It's in the logs of the forums and pms he posted, Shin, where dbp and Judicator finally decided that no real life cash would change hands for it. I don't have the logs, I'm sure you can sign up to kugs sight for them if you wish.
Either way, dbp says no money changed hands, I believe him, ccp haven't banned him, proof enough for me.
That is, of course, entirerly possible. But its not excalty conclusive proof that will shut up everyone is it? So passing it off like that in an arrogant sort of way isn't really helping is it?
Also, Judicator is still in Reikoku. What happened?
Jud left the game and gave the character, gratis, to dbp.
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Gummi
The Short Bus Squad
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:26:00 -
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It's times like these where you see how low this community has fallen. It's all very sad really.
I think kieron underestimated the amount of information it would take to settle this, because 6-12months ago this is all it would have taken.
But I think he said it best 7 months ago..
Originally by: kieron
If you are a part of the community that believes the Devs are cheating/hacking/<insert conspiracy theory here>, then there is not really much any representative of CCP can do to disuade you from that line of thinking. Accusations and responses can be posted until the thread is in the hundreds of pages and there will still be one more "what about this..." to address.
Long and short of it, you either believe the Devs and continue to play EVE, or you don't believe the Devs and you chose whether or not to continue playing EVE.
Oveur has stated that Dev cheating and abuse won't be tolerated. I've echo'ed the same for the vols. We are all fervent supporters of EVE and don't want to risk our jobs over a small game advantage.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani Occam's razor simply says that you are a liar. It is the simplest explanation, and the best. Just as the simplest explanation of Anthonyz is that he is a malicious hacker, and that this 'he was given a db dump' of RKK's forums is utter nonsense. All the parties in this lovely little tiff have blood all over their hands.
It is the simplest because you want it to be, Mittani, that doesn't make it correct.
Kugs needed sensationalism, you didn't have this kind of drama sitting within your boards, so why would he need to be?
AnthonyZ doesn't need to be smart to sensationalise a story, it's something anyone that reads a tabloid newspaper can do.
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Stahlregen on 07/02/2007 15:28:33 http://youtube.com/watch?v=ayd_OAOsAgs
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Liet Traep
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Auman Presumerbly all the Black Lance members going mental over the last few pages have cancelled their subscriptions? I mean you'd have to have zero morals to continue playing if you truly believed these allegations and that a cover up was going on...
Ah morals. We had a laugh on vent about a BoB member mentioning that word. I'm assuming you didn't choke or catch on fire when saying it? Just curious. As for cancelling my subscriptions. I will wait and see if CCP makes an open disclosure. If I don't feel they are I might take a break. Check out what else is going on in the MMORPG world. Read a book. Do something else. My response is based on how I feel CCP handles this situation.
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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Pryde LOL @ all these dimwitted BoB haters and other slightly biased folk ...
The one issue were most of you guys cling on is that some Char who was seemingly played by a dev handed his BPOs to his former corp before leaving. If anybody would try to look objectively at that he d know that having 10 BPOs (even gaining them from lottery) is by far no single event, i know plenty of people to who that applies. If one reads Kieron's statement one sees that everything is logged and can be checked upon.
Naturally, if one isnt interested in truth or fact, but simply cares about making somebody (BoB seems to be the target of choice here) look bad then this a perfect opportunity for one hell of a flamefest, isnt it ? :P
Who in his right mind trying to be somewhat objective and using his brain could not assume that CCP as a rather serious company, and by now also not so small anymore, has the measures and means to prevent and/or verify any misconduct.
The sheer biased-ness and hypocricy of many posters is quite obvious and anything but productive. You guys only ruin your own gameplay if you actually start to believe what you write.
The statement isnt all-encompassing nor giving too many details. Quite right. But thats not needed. One has the choice to actually read it and take it as it is. Or to ignore it a ramble about what one would have liked to see. From what i read here most ppl's choice was the latter. I for one am content with it
I guess i might be called a BoB alt now, but well, i ve been called a G alt before too, and i can assure you neither is true :P
Thank you. You have restored my faith in humanity. .
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Saint Juniper
The Black Seal
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:35:00 -
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"The objective of an internal enquiry is not to find the truth but rather to clear those involved"
Good to know all it's been done about this is toss red tape all over it.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: XirtamVotf Kieron,
Since people fail to have reading comprehension 101, could you please state, if ANY wrongdoings at all were found? From Sir Molle
I think that you personally posting player personnel Info on the forums is a bannable offense correct? You editing and removing AFTER half of the EVE community already read the post says alot that your still in game eh ?
Still trying to get in cheap digs i see ? Fyi the info Molle posted (and edited) contained no direct rl information apart from a town in a certain country. The nickname Molle used to call him, which the mods removed from all further posts was the one used by Mr.K himself both on the goon forums and how he identified himself on various occasions.
As for the rest of your accusations, an edited post before a mod looks is as good as a non existant post, one can always see the light of his own wrongdoings....
As for the request to kieron i oddly agree with you.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:37:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: The Mittani Occam's razor simply says that you are a liar. It is the simplest explanation, and the best. Just as the simplest explanation of Anthonyz is that he is a malicious hacker, and that this 'he was given a db dump' of RKK's forums is utter nonsense. All the parties in this lovely little tiff have blood all over their hands.
It is the simplest because you want it to be, Mittani, that doesn't make it correct.
Kugs needed sensationalism, you didn't have this kind of drama sitting within your boards, so why would he need to be?
AnthonyZ doesn't need to be smart to sensationalise a story, it's something anyone that reads a tabloid newspaper can do.
If Kugu goes for sensationalism, and we didn't have this kind of drama within our boards, your argument suggests that he would fabricate allegations to get that sensationalism he needs. You also state than anyone can sensationalize something, that they don't need to be 'smart'.
Except that his drivel about us was raw, unedited copy&pastes from our forums. Not spiced up. Not spruced up. Not 'tabloidized' to make it more interesting.
If I am to believe your explanation, Kugu has suddenly grown the ability to not only lie, but also convincingly imitate your particular style of posting. That while he did not bother sensationalizing the leaks from goonfleet, but he did with yours.
It is much more reasonable, given the ferocity with which you mash the post button and the way in which you are flailing, to accept that you are simply a liar.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
That is, of course, entirerly possible. But its not excalty conclusive proof that will shut up everyone is it? So passing it off like that in an arrogant sort of way isn't really helping is it?
Also, Judicator is still in Reikoku. What happened?
The "prosecution" doesn't need conclusive proof, but the defense does?
Seriously Shin, get a grip mate.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Lin Dze
PsyCorp Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sinlare
Originally by: jamesw Devs are people too
Indeed, grats to all cheating devs! you've ruined someone's fun in real life. Hope you sleep well at night.
Fixed it for you.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Dianabolic I don't see how anything urban II has posted is in any way controversial or against EULA?
I'd also love to hear what EULA RKK has broken, considering the only one that anyone has accused us of (buying a char for cash) was subsequently proven to be complete rubbish?
Show me where this was proven to be complete rubbish.
It's in the logs of the forums and pms he posted, Shin, where dbp and Judicator finally decided that no real life cash would change hands for it. I don't have the logs, I'm sure you can sign up to kugs sight for them if you wish.
Either way, dbp says no money changed hands, I believe him, ccp haven't banned him, proof enough for me.
That is, of course, entirerly possible. But its not excalty conclusive proof that will shut up everyone is it? So passing it off like that in an arrogant sort of way isn't really helping is it?
Also, Judicator is still in Reikoku. What happened?
Jud left the game and gave the character, gratis, to dbp.
Ok, again plausable, though apparently decreasingly so...
I'm trying to be pretty objective here dude and even after this statement, I will try and be so. I would not expect so many other people to believe this though.
You admit that Judicator was transferred from the original owner to dbp. If this was done gratis, then we have only your word to say so. This would imply that there is no possible way for CCP to proove that cash was/wasn't exchanged.
So at the very least this shows that, other than someones word, there is no proof available to any of us. So I think that your statement about the accusation being proven to be complete rubbish, is infact, ironically, complete rubbish.
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:41:00 -
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This is what I figured would happen, no real answer from ccp just spin.
And for the people in BOB who benifited from this, I hope you burn in EVE for it....
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Shin Ra
That is, of course, entirerly possible. But its not excalty conclusive proof that will shut up everyone is it? So passing it off like that in an arrogant sort of way isn't really helping is it?
Also, Judicator is still in Reikoku. What happened?
The "prosecution" doesn't need conclusive proof, but the defense does?
Seriously Shin, get a grip mate.
Not what I said at all.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Shin Ra
That is, of course, entirerly possible. But its not excalty conclusive proof that will shut up everyone is it? So passing it off like that in an arrogant sort of way isn't really helping is it?
Also, Judicator is still in Reikoku. What happened?
The "prosecution" doesn't need conclusive proof, but the defense does?
Seriously Shin, get a grip mate.
Is this a court of law?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Shin Ra
That is, of course, entirerly possible. But its not excalty conclusive proof that will shut up everyone is it? So passing it off like that in an arrogant sort of way isn't really helping is it?
Also, Judicator is still in Reikoku. What happened?
The "prosecution" doesn't need conclusive proof, but the defense does?
Seriously Shin, get a grip mate.
Is this a court of law?
Does it matter? Are you saying the burden of proof should be different... just because you say so?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Is this a court of law?
lol, clearly not.
If it was this case wouldn't be getting heard, that's for sure.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
You admit that Judicator was transferred from the original owner to dbp. If this was done gratis, then we have only your word to say so. This would imply that there is no possible way for CCP to proove that cash was/wasn't exchanged.
So at the very least this shows that, other than someones word, there is no proof available to any of us. So I think that your statement about the accusation being proven to be complete rubbish, is infact, ironically, complete rubbish.
So if there is no proof but a baseless accusation, why are we still going on about it ? The facts are simple, judicators acc was transfered to dbps account and it was paid by judicator. Both were corpm8s at that time and apart from some "could be dbps mails" from a forum hacking (ack illegal information obtaining) we have nothing to actually backup this claim.
In short ure telling us here Shin that if i would come around and tell you some random allianceleader or highprofile poster on these forums received one of his known chars via moneyfunded chartransfers you would jump right away onto it and believe me ? Especially if i back it up with some cheesy quotes or screenshots ? Seems rather easy to accuse ppl of stuff these days without any proof i guess....
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Travis Raven
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma Is this a court of law?
No no it's clearly MUCH MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:50:00 -
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Without reading every page of this soon to be epic thread, what I see happened was this.
The fact that a dev was playing in BoB at one time came out from the illegal hacking.
Lots of tinfoil hats were donned.
CCP investigated if there was cheating involved but the logs were not adiquate to prove it or disprove it.
For the good of the game the characters involved in all this get deleted even though it may have been grossly unfair to those involved.
Based on what t2 bpo's he had, for a guy who started playing at the start of the game, it seems quite possible that they were legit. Now being a dev would mean you would know how to 'play the r&d game' before everyone else, so it might have been 'unfair' in that way, but in terms of mechanics I'd be willing to bet no cheating went on. If I were cheating to get t2 bpo's I'd have had much better ones.
But if people have lost their characters just to keep the vultures happy thats pretty sad.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra So at the very least this shows that, other than someones word, there is no proof available to any of us. So I think that your statement about the accusation being proven to be complete rubbish, is infact, ironically, complete rubbish.
Except there IS proof, Shin. In fact, the same logs that you are using to say that he DID pay cash for it... later show that he did not. So, the proof of transfer comes from the same source.
You've believed it thus far, but now it's in contradiction you claim it is "absolute rubbish"? I appreciate your attempt to being neutral mate, you can either take us at our word or not, or go register on those forums and see where the pm convos end.
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Sophie Aubrey
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sophie Aubrey on 07/02/2007 15:50:16 Edited by: Sophie Aubrey on 07/02/2007 15:48:31 Why are there so many BoB posts? You are in essence trolling since you are encouraging arguments instead of just directing your responses to Keiron and CCP. Quit trying to be moderators and let CCP handle it.
The reason why this thread has exploded is cause of you. Quit trolling for no good reason YOU won't change anyone's mind. Hopefully CCP will settle this.
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Aubrey Edited by: Sophie Aubrey on 07/02/2007 15:48:31 Why are there so many BoB posts? You are in essence trolling since you are encouraging arguments instead of just directing your responses to Keiron and CCP. Quit trying to be moderators and let CCP handle it.
Agreed go home mods
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.07 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tomic Edited by: Tomic on 07/02/2007 15:23:13 http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2460/bobspacesg3.jpg
LOl - Suggested alterations to the alliance map.
You need a warzone.
And, for my final post on this thread (as sophie is ofc quite correct):
Decide to stay and play, or don't
Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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