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Isu Okaski
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.16 14:02:00 -
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OK so not sure if this is the correct place for this thread, don't want to get any carebears angry!
Anyways, some background: My character is a new 3m SP Caldari. He was born directly into my buddy's PvP corp and doesn't have much PvE experience. I can fly a Raven and have the standings to do Lv4 missions but can't quite run them efficiently(lots of warping out and sometimes there is a BS tank I cannot break). I have been brainstorming ways to fund my PvP addiction. I tried mining for a week and made decent ISK in an Osprey, but without putting SPs into it I won't make as much as I want to, and I really did not enjoy the time I spent shooting rocks. So I have been considering doing some ninja salvage/looting as an income generator until my character can run Lv4s or even incursions.
The Question: How much, in terms of ISK, can be generated from looting/salvaging an average Lv4 mission?
Caveats: -Keep in mind I will stay local to Caldari space initially -Not looking for ninja salvage/lootng tactics -Not looking for a guide to squeezing out the most ISK from a station container full of loot -Not looking to hear from frustrated carebears -Assume I will not be taking mission essential items for ransom
I understand there is a lot of variables to this and an exact amount would be impossible to say. Just looking for an estimate. Maybe a High-Low-Mean answer would best describe...
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Gronn
Offensive Logistics Inc -Entropy-
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Posted - 2011.12.16 14:12:00 -
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Some of the bigger missions, angel extravaganza, blockade (level 4) and so on can net me 20 to 30 million each. I really only salvage the big missions and the rogue drone missions. Rogue drones (level 4) have a chance to drop T2 salvage components and I also get some morphite on the refining of their crap.
Just as an FYI, I have an indy alt that I use to clean up an area and also makes rigs as I own BPOs. ItGÇÖs amazing how many minerals you get from looting everything and just refining it all down.
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Maureen Biologist
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.16 14:19:00 -
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Isu Okaski wrote:OK so not sure if this is the correct place for this thread, don't want to get any carebears angry!
Anyways, some background: I have been brainstorming ways to fund my PvP addiction. I tried mining for a week and made decent ISK in an Osprey
Thats an outrageous lie!
To answer your questions though: you could train for a drake in less than 2 weeks and make more money running lvl 3's than you will ninja salvaging.
I can see ninja salvaging making a *bit* of money, but to be honest, even with good scanning skills and a t2 scanning frig with sisters probes + scanner, itll take 5-10 mins to populate your bookmarks with missions to go loot, and then swap to whatever your ship of choice is, and you will get to loot some, some might just be ****** missions with like 2 wrecks, if you come up against someone in a noctis or a marauder you wont stand much chance of getting much money out of it and some people like to shoot the stuff.
THOUGH: there is a mission running channel whose name eludes me at the moment where you can offer your services as a salvager and follow some dude in a pimp mission ship round salvaging all the stuff, give him like 10-20% for the trouble. THAT will make you a reasonable amount (until you can fly that drake).
whatever you do it will make you more money than that osprey will mining, try some ninja salvaging while you train a drake if its what you want to do. try 'legit' salvaging for people too though.
to be completely honest, ninja salvaging without the ability to shoot the carebears if they agress you seems rather pointless to me.
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.16 14:52:00 -
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A Raven pilot that can't fly a Drake? Lol.... A Raven pilot that can't do LVL IV missions? Lol....
Go Ninja salvage for lulz and get killed from time to time when you aggres the wreck holder by looting others ships.
Train for PI. Train for it all.............. |
Maureen Biologist
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.16 15:17:00 -
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I re-read your question.
If you get the scanning down quickly, and get lucky with drops, then I don't see 10m an hour being unreasonable.
factoring the total randomness of drops and your ability to scan plenty of sites down AND your ability to secure the salvage/loot (not get beaten by the bears noctis or whatever), then it could literally be anywhere between 1m/hr and 20m/hr. probably closer to 1m/hr.
before people lol at that number, he wouldn't have to find much more than an arbalest heavy missile launcher to be well on his way.
use a vigil. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.16 15:44:00 -
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Maureen Biologist wrote:even with good scanning skills and a t2 scanning frig with sisters probes + scanner, itll take 5-10 mins to populate your bookmarks with missions to go loot, and then swap to whatever your ship of choice is, and you will get to loot some, some might just be ****** missions with like 2 wrecks, if you come up against someone in a noctis or a marauder you wont stand much chance of getting much money out of it and some people like to shoot the stuff.
I've done plenty of ninja salvaging in a T1-fitted magnate. It takes me about a minute per target to scan down a like mission runner and get to his deadspace. And I rather like the marauders: just park a few km ahead of them and loot/salvage as they tractor things in. Just be sure you have a good PVP ships on standby in case they get trigger happy when you go red.
Maureen Biologist wrote:THOUGH: there is a mission running channel whose name eludes me at the moment where you can offer your services as a salvager and follow some dude in a pimp mission ship round salvaging all the stuff, give him like 10-20% for the trouble. THAT will make you a reasonable amount (until you can fly that drake).
It's also quite possible to get into a mission hub and simply ask if anyone running missions is willing to abandon their wrecks and make a bookmark to them so you can go salvage. I did that once and had five bookmarks from four different players in a matter of minutes. |
Isu Okaski
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.16 16:09:00 -
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Thanks all for the info!
FWIW I can fly a drake and have Lv3 missions available to me. I did Lv3's for about two weeks and stockpiled all of the loot and salvage. Did not keep a great record of it but it almost seemed that I made more on loot and salvage than I did on mission rewards/bounties. That is where the idea came to me of just looting and salvaging as much and quickly as possible.
Anyways, another detail is the fact that my corp is often waging war 20+ jumps away from my hometown. Ideally I would like to be able to jump-clone back when the bad guys are determined to spin their ships for hours.
Well I think I will give it a try next week. I figure a cheap Heron for scanning and a Cormorant for salvaging/looting.
I will keep a record and update here with the returns I get after 1 week! |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.12.16 16:10:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:It's also quite possible to get into a mission hub and simply ask if anyone running missions is willing to abandon their wrecks and make a bookmark to them so you can go salvage. I did that once and had five bookmarks from four different players in a matter of minutes.
This. I know when I am running missions on a roll, I would love to have someone slavage them. You could, honestly, probably get contracts where bears will give you bookmarks to all their missions for something like a 25% cut of profits off the salvage and loot. You can easily end up with far more salvaging to do than you have time for, and you'll build up some iskies awfully quick. |
Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.12.16 17:33:00 -
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Join our public channel and you get the skinny on how to make enough ISK to keep your pew pew going. The best ISK you get as a ninja is from ransoms and blingy modules dropped from your hapless victims ships. It's not as as steady of an income stream as say an Incursion or LP-grinding Alt, but it's considerably better than mining income. Those who think there's no ISK in it haven't practiced the trade. Find the good tag missions and dolts who will shoot at you and you can do quite well. Recruiting is OPEN Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info |
Spineker
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Posted - 2011.12.16 19:46:00 -
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One of the dumbest questions I have seen all week. Ninja Salvage and Looting in Caldari space? Making good isk at it? About as bad as it gets.
I love when they find me which hasn't happened in a while, I just blow everything up and laugh at them for wasting their time. Sometimes it is fun to for them to rush in and you just warp away and come back and they have a wreck there in the room. Hahahaha ransom I wouldn't pay ransom to any nerd for mission item. People really are pathetic can't make it in low or null so they pretend they are badasses in high... |
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Isu Okaski
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.16 19:58:00 -
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Quote: One of the dumbest questions I have seen all week. Ninja Salvage and Looting in Caldari space? Making good isk at it? About as bad as it gets.
I love when they find me which hasn't happened in a while, I just blow everything up and laugh at them for wasting their time. Sometimes it is fun to for them to rush in and you just warp away and come back and they have a wreck there in the room. Hahahaha ransom I wouldn't pay ransom to any nerd for mission item. People really are pathetic can't make it in low or null so they pretend they are badasses in high...
Big tough guy...I say lol |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2011.12.16 20:21:00 -
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Ninja looter here i make about 150M to 300 M per hour ninja looting. My technique is a little bit more advanced than just scanning random mission runners down but it's still pis easy. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2011.12.16 20:23:00 -
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I laugh at you wannabe badasses it really is funny and pathetic. What does that have to do with toughness I love to watch this "I am going to be bad!" whatever sounds like 10 year olds talking about beating up some other kid on the playground.
I don't care what you say means nothing to me I am laughing at you. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2011.12.16 20:24:00 -
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Quote:Ninja looter here i make about 150M to 300 M per hour ninja looting
LMAO |
Isu Okaski
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.16 21:58:00 -
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Spineker wrote:I laugh at you wannabe badasses it really is funny and pathetic. What does that have to do with toughness I love to watch this "I am going to be bad!" whatever sounds like 10 year olds talking about beating up some other kid on the playground.
I don't care what you say means nothing to me I am laughing at you. Lol why be a badass in game when I can do it in real life? I don't get to steal, ****, pillage, and screw with care bears in real life so I will probably have more fun doing that in game!
stop trolling brah |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:02:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Quote:Ninja looter here i make about 150M to 300 M per hour ninja looting LMAO
LOL, what's so funny I do mak 150m per hour ninja looting and ganking. Do you not belive me? |
Arctur Vallfar
Knights Adamant
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:09:00 -
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Wanting to make the most efficient amount of isk without resorting to acts such as ransoming isn't going to help you out. Watered down, it's hard to really make a significant amount of isk when you depend on luck or really know what you're doing. There are too many variables, but that doesn't necessarily mean that a profit won't be made. It's enough for me to say that it isn't worth it unless you are more so doing this for your enjoyment than making prime isk as a lone wolf.
Ransoming isn't exactly effective, either. Plenty of mission critical loot is on the market.
My advice is to hunt down a ninja salvaging corp. There are plenty of trade secrets I'm sure people aren't willing to spill out over the forums. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:55:00 -
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Dunno witha 3 week char you can make 150 mill isk per hour ninja ganking. I think it's probabbly the ebst career for noobs out there |
Isu Okaski
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:40:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Dunno witha 3 week char you can make 150 mill isk per hour ninja ganking. I think it's probabbly the ebst career for noobs out there Don't think I will be anywhere close to that. If I pull in 20m ISK/hr I will be ecstatic.
Will work this for a week soon and update on returns. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.18 20:59:00 -
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Back in the day before T2 tractors, before changes to probing, before the Noctis, before the loot nerfs, a ninja looter could make 300mil/wk working a couple hours per day. But that was then and this is now. With probing requiring a higher skillset to achieve the same quality of results of the past, the lack of real loot and the noctis it is the perfect storm to make ninja salvaging more time consuming and less profitable. Choose something else.
As previously suggested, running level 3 missions is probably more profitable than ninjaing....and that's saying a lot about how much ninjaing has been indirectly nerfed because l3's don't pay crap. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2011.12.19 11:07:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Dunno witha 3 week char you can make 150 mill isk per hour ninja ganking. I think it's probabbly the ebst career for noobs out there
Stop throwing around this number. If you talk about getting carebears to shoot at you - that happens too rarely to put up an ISK/h figure. Unless real noobs shoot you which usually drop crap. If you talk about brute force ganking - that will not happen solo, especially now with the insurance change. |
Rayvonuk
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2011.12.20 03:15:00 -
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Spineker wrote:I laugh at you wannabe badasses it really is funny and pathetic. What does that have to do with toughness I love to watch this "I am going to be bad!" whatever sounds like 10 year olds talking about beating up some other kid on the playground.
I don't care what you say means nothing to me I am laughing at you.
Just so you know they are laughing at you too, for playing missions in a PVP game. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:56:00 -
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OP, are you willing to shoot things? Retaliation can provide a nice, if rather rare, income boost. One faction kill (which will eventually happen if you do it enough) can set you up for a long time. One 3B ISK deadspace-fit active-tanked mission drake is worth a lot of time just looting.
Otherwise...I'm not up on salvage and loot prices, but it largely depends on your scanning skills, your ninjaing skills, and your...luck. Good missions with lots of battleship wrecks (think Blockade) can make you a reasonable amount of ISK in a short amount of time. If you keep running into **** missions your income will suffer.
I'd say ninjalooting is a very reasonable, but not ridiculous, way of earning ISK. I couldn't give a precise figure on it, though I certainly don't agree with one of the original replies that you'd make more running L3s in a drake.
If I had to give a number....30-15-21 for high/low/mean, not counting potential space-pinata kills (which are too random for me to factor into an average figure). Do note I haven't been actively ninjaing in awhile, these prices are highly dependent on the value of Caldari-space pirate loot/salvage value. Way back when I started it was complete **** but as far as i know it has increased since then. Salvage-wise, you'll be looking for circuits and ward consoles. Loot-wise, 'arbalest' launchers (specifically torp launchers) and perhaps ECM (which may be found on small wrecks you would normally ignore).
Personally, during my ninja career I only ended up with a small handful of high-value kills, though I don't exactly play to maximize the chance of being shot at by dumb pilots with too much money. Ninjalooting in a fleet stabber doesn't exactly scream "I'm a dumb newbie who can't defend himself", after all. I know people who specifically fit and fly their ships to maximize the chances of a missioner thinking they're an easy target. This vastly increases the chance of high-value kills (and thus big rewards) but, outside of ganks, it also decreases the efficiency of the actual looting and salvaging. The numbers I gave above were for my style of looting. If you did this, that would likely be lower (but you might happen upon a multi-bil ISK kill. Or, you might not and it ends up being a waste of your time. Random is random, etc). |
Isu Okaski
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.21 02:29:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:OP, are you willing to shoot things? Retaliation can provide a nice, if rather rare, income boost. One faction kill (which will eventually happen if you do it enough) can set you up for a long time. One 3B ISK deadspace-fit active-tanked mission drake is worth a lot of time just looting.
Otherwise...I'm not up on salvage and loot prices, but it largely depends on your scanning skills, your ninjaing skills, and your...luck. Good missions with lots of battleship wrecks (think Blockade) can make you a reasonable amount of ISK in a short amount of time. If you keep running into **** missions your income will suffer.
I'd say ninjalooting is a very reasonable, but not ridiculous, way of earning ISK. I couldn't give a precise figure on it, though I certainly don't agree with one of the original replies that you'd make more running L3s in a drake.
If I had to give a number....30-15-21 for high/low/mean, not counting potential space-pinata kills (which are too random for me to factor into an average figure). Do note I haven't been actively ninjaing in awhile, these prices are highly dependent on the value of Caldari-space pirate loot/salvage value. Way back when I started it was complete **** but as far as i know it has increased since then. Salvage-wise, you'll be looking for circuits and ward consoles. Loot-wise, 'arbalest' launchers (specifically torp launchers) and perhaps ECM (which may be found on small wrecks you would normally ignore).
Personally, during my ninja career I only ended up with a small handful of high-value kills, though I don't exactly play to maximize the chance of being shot at by dumb pilots with too much money. Ninjalooting in a fleet stabber doesn't exactly scream "I'm a dumb newbie who can't defend himself", after all. I know people who specifically fit and fly their ships to maximize the chances of a missioner thinking they're an easy target. This vastly increases the chance of high-value kills (and thus big rewards) but, outside of ganks, it also decreases the efficiency of the actual looting and salvaging. The numbers I gave above were for my style of looting. If you did this, that would likely be lower (but you might happen upon a multi-bil ISK kill. Or, you might not and it ends up being a waste of your time. Random is random, etc).
Thanks for the response Kahega, exactly what I was looking for. Have been crunched for time lately so I will likely start my trials after the holidays.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2011.12.21 06:17:00 -
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It is worth noting that while I have not personally been heavy into ninjasalvaging in a fair amount of time. You may wish to talk to some people in Suddenly Ninjas, they may be a bit more...current. There's an ingame public channel, "Ninja Dojo". However, most of these people do it less for the ISK return and more for the killmails/tears. |
Jordan River
Substatic Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.21 17:19:00 -
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OP, I have several characters, one in particular has spent several years Ninja Salvaging. I can confirm that you can make a good living from Ninja salvaging/looting and ganking.
Ninja Salvaging/looting has one known advantage over mission running, fun, loads of fun. Fun is better than isk in my opinion. You cannot AFK Ninja Salvaging like you can do in missions. Missions can get boring. Its nothing more than a LP and isk cow. In fact I would dare to say that you need more 'human' skill and 'wits' to Ninja Salvage/loot/gank than you need for mission running.
I say make it your EVE career.
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.12.21 22:39:00 -
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Confirming Kahega's summary. Most of us continue to ninja because it's fun and we like the ISK from the shiny kills. I will say that most of the guys in SN who hunt mission bears for any length of time make superb ISK from pi+Šata Mission Bear kills and frequent ransoms. The loot and salvage are just extras. Recruiting is OPEN Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info |
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