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Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.04 02:06:12 -
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I've joined with my main to one of the nullsec blocks and thought I'll have some good time have some action and basically I wanted to see how it is to be a part of player owned internet space empire.
In one word > boring. In one long word > Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring.
Just let's be honest here I won't specify names or any specific I'll just share my general experience.
In general the null plebeians lives in extremely boring space, it's mostly empty and except for 1-2 systems here and there in most systems there isn't a single living soul. As a result in order to meet someone and partake in proper shooting between space station one need to be prepared to jump loads of systems.
I overall in 24 hours since moved to my new null system jumped somewhere between 60 to 100 jumps just inside the null region. It's sucks the life out of me. In the few years I played eve I never had to jump so much.
At any rate all trade hubs are more expensive in margin of around 10-20% which is respectable but you can feel the lack of variety. on the Jita\Amarr\Dixie line of trade hubs one can get anything he wants in competitive price. In null it's challenge to find something, one must trust in contracts set by your alliance.
At any rate seems most null dwellers are worst then high sec isoboxer miners. I never seen a "less" enthusiast group of players in my life.
I'll explain, In the beginning I did highsec pve missions and such. My old corp used to make frigate and cruiser sized roams into low sec and we had some action then came back. then I switch to mining and even then when pvp arrived at our doorstep we stood and fight. Then I tried FW in lowsec and over there people actively went out and searched for fights, ones found each duel was to the death (as everyone carried points and webs etc...).
In null... oh it's painful. everyone hides. like bunch of scared puppies.
It started with fleet ops I've joined where I had to sit and look on boring ass titan parking maneuver. after 40 minutes fleet dispersed and I had to jump 15 systems back to my home base. on the way inside allied space I've noticed a warp scram deployable and some hostiles on the area. As I was alone I reported in intel channel and after 20 minutes no one came they just avoided the system. I started shooting the warp scram until it almost pop'd and only then the owner had the dignity to come out and fight my glorious t1 frigate with his Dictor. seriously... fricking dictor vs t1 frig show some balls.
After taking the Pod Express back to the station I started scouting around while being in the "militia" fleet of that region I was in and while participating in intel channel.
Every turn of the way when we had eyes on enemies the Null dwellers just tailed and ran away. It was disgraceful. I mean... it's a game. A pvp game. the whole point is take ships and shoot other ships.
At any rate after 2 hours of that chicken mentality showed by the local dwellers I decided to take some heavy tanked ratting ship and sit in a plex and rat while I wait for decent fight... FINALLY! someone had the decency to fight and I was tackled in the plex. While still in the "militia fleet" there were another 4-5 fleet members in same system with me + over 10 other pilots in the system. Once I shared intel and told the fleet I got intruder on me and invited everyone to warp to my location in order to share the festivities.. what is the first thing they all did?
Docked.
The fricking cowherds docked and hide in the station.
Overall we had tonight 3 roaming gangs, fleet of stealth bombers and entire fleet of campers camping on the fricking base.. home station inside the home system of that alliance I joined to.
even then meager 10 pilots managed to subdue the flow of operations of gigantic thousands members corps which is member in alliance which hold significant area of space.
Then I ask on my corp chat wtf is going on and why my old mining corp had more balls then them, Then I was told those roaming people just look for easy kills (dafuc easy kills mid capital system of a space empire) and they just dock and bore them to death until they will leave them alone.
you see, those lovely null dwellers spend most of their time ratting in one of the 30-40 plexes spawning in their systems or eve... hold it... mining! in 5-10 alts mining fleets.
24 hours and over 60 jumps I didn't encounter any significant battle. everything was pure hide and seek, pure chicken **** tactics and in all truth... after watching the online videos of those "epic battles" and reading about how nullsec empires are awesome it's plain boring. it's worse then highsec as in highsec you can actually get more proper fights while having access to proper trade hubs and access to more activities then in null. Also I was extremely disappointed with that defeatist mentality of the local dwellers.
TL;DR why highsec miners have bigger balls then nullsec dwellers? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.03.04 02:08:56 -
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Welcome to the blue doughnut. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
907
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Posted - 2016.03.04 02:13:48 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Welcome to the blue doughnut. /thread |
Lee Maulerant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.04 02:37:25 -
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Forum Toon wrote:cowherds
This made my morning, thank you
Anyway, I have to agree, I've gone out looking around for a little scrap in a simple T1 fit Executioner on my old character, spent over a 2 hours looking around for a fight and found one single pilot, me in a T1 frigate, the other person in a Sacrilege HAC.
Now before I talk about how he didn't have an MwD I'll talk about how his yellowboxing scared the hell out of me, so there I was, floating around just using my simple compact AB zapping at him with lasers, he finally targets me after 10-15 seconds of zappings, then simply approaches a stargate and jumps. It was probably the most terrifying yet exhilarating experience of my life!
Seriously, a HAC doesn't want to step up to a tier ONE frigate because I want a fight.
I won't judge though, I'll bide my time and wait for a good 1v1, patience is a virtue |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2016.03.04 03:28:37 -
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Have to agree Was in providence with 4th They imposed a strict do t shoot reds or talk to reds in local
I left soon as I could after that.
They waste no time shooting at me when I'm in local though! Hopefully they dropped that silly rule |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
665
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Posted - 2016.03.04 03:46:49 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Welcome to the blue doughnut. Yup.
Low is now much more active for fights than its ever been, its cheap and quick and if you need to step afk for a moment docking up isnt an issue as a pirate. Null is a very different beast. All areas of Eve offer different things tbh though and CCP has changed a lot over the years as have the player base.
Imam: Have you heard anything I've said?
Richard B. Riddick: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
Imam: That's right.
Richard B. Riddick: Had to end sometime.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.03.04 03:53:37 -
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Lee Maulerant wrote:Seriously, a HAC doesn't want to step up to a tier ONE frigate because I want a fight. Maybe because a solo t1 frigate trying to agress a HAC just screams cyno bait?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.04 04:57:31 -
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I can't complain.
And I'd wager that highsec miners don't have bigger balls, but just don't know any better.
Edit: Grr, Goons! |
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2016.03.04 05:07:08 -
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Go to Querious. It's one of the most violent regions, and an example of sov actually working, because it is made by and for fun-havers.
Null mechanics are still in dire need of revision because avoidance is still the optimal strategy.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM XI
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
697
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Posted - 2016.03.04 05:09:55 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:Null mechanics are still in dire need of revision because avoidance is still the optimal strategy.
There's definitely some truth in that. |
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Cristl
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Posted - 2016.03.04 05:24:09 -
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Cowherds eating blue donuts. Happy Friday everyone :) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2016.03.04 05:42:01 -
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Good thing you didn't get dropped on.
CCP Grimmi: With all players on a single server and in direct competition with each other even your trade and industry activities are PvP.
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Pandora Bokks
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:06:37 -
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Sounds like your main joined SMA |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:39:05 -
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null sec best sec
Also grrr goons. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:52:54 -
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try lowsec
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:53:33 -
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Sounds like you joined a crappy group, or haven't gotten to know who to fly with in it.
You also pretty clearly suck at hunting if you couldn't get fights. Yes, people tend to bail when the situation looks dicey - the trick is not letting it look dicey, or making their likely bail route into a trap. T1 frigates ******* SCREAM "I AM A CYNO", never ever presume you look harmless in one.
Also, the most fun I had in EVE was in null, and I've lived pretty much everywhere in EVE. Granted, when I lived in null, **** was going down - it was between the rise of TEST / final fall of BoB and the Delve war. Null gets incredibly exciting when major powers have conflicting interests and decide to start ******* with each other, at least when both parties are competent. CFC vs PL&Co was much more fun than TEST vs -A-. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.03.04 06:58:11 -
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Darth Terona wrote:Have to agree Was in providence with 4th They imposed a strict do t shoot reds or talk to reds in local
I left soon as I could after that.
They waste no time shooting at me when I'm in local though! Hopefully they dropped that silly rule
Providence is basically highsec. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2016.03.04 07:53:43 -
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Forum Toon wrote:(...)
Every turn of the way when we had eyes on enemies the Null dwellers just tailed and ran away. It was disgraceful. I mean... it's a game. A pvp game. the whole point is take ships and shoot other ships. (...).
Bolded your mistake -it's a pretty common one. World of Tanks is a PvP game. League of Legends is a PvP game. DUST 514 is a PvP game.
EVE is a sandbox, and inside the sandbox, PvE outnumbers PvP massively and on every scale. Nullbears are just the spoiled top of the pyramid, enjoying the best everything but not doing that much PvP after all.
Quote:TL;DR why highsec miners have bigger balls then nullsec dwellers?
Being a highsec miner is a challenge. Only a few succeed to beat it. It is boring. It is barely rewarding. It implies being despised, scorend and ignored by CCP. It is the backbone of the sandbox and its success is to be as invisible as a perfect administration.
Nobody notices when there's water on the tap, power on the outlet and trashcans are empty. Same in EVE, nobody notices when minerals are affordable and ships are cheap.
And yet without all the invisible heroes who spend hours F1'in rocks, exposed to a gank or a wardec, EVE would not be.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:09:57 -
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I must admit, OP managed to produce the longest post in eve forums, that I was willing to read. Usually I do not read post with more, than 200 words, but here I did. So OP succeed.
From my point of view null is a very special place to live, not to PvP. Just as a wromhole. Live often means PvP but not necessary. You want PvP - go into FW. There is so many systems, where 2-3 minutes in novice will get you fight, sometimes even fair one. You need to feel, that you have a place called your home, something to build and defend etc - you can try this null sov games. Even parking titan for 40 minutes can be meaningfull than, IMHO. Jump clones allow you to do whatever you want to do pretty comfortable.
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:41:29 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: ...to be as invisible as a perfect administration. I really like this line. I like it so much, I'm going to allow a decent interval before I steal it.
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2016.03.04 08:53:48 -
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joined the wrong nullsec block my incognito friend.
Having a blast and racking up the kills and isk.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Chalkias Bosphorus
The Pleiadians Justice League of Space
5
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Posted - 2016.03.04 11:32:46 -
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There are %5 players in Null sec. But all %5 want you to die.
That is the difference. |
Commander Spurty
Moosearmy I N F A M O U S
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:19:05 -
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Chalkias Bosphorus wrote:There are %5 players in Null sec. But all %5 want you to die.
That is the difference.
Except when you're blue to 4% of them *SNORK*
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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DrugsDen
Temple of Swords Warped Intentions
8
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Posted - 2016.03.04 12:47:34 -
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This game is so much more then crap pvp pvp is just a very small part of the game a lot of ppl dont even play eve for pvp pvp is dead its 10 v 1 nowdays so a waste of time |
Lee Maulerant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.04 13:01:28 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Lee Maulerant wrote:Seriously, a HAC doesn't want to step up to a tier ONE frigate because I want a fight. Maybe because a solo t1 frigate trying to agress a HAC just screams cyno bait?
It's a fair point, but nonetheless, he would've flattened me easily with 2-3 volleys even with an AB active, assuming he has the appropriate skills to pilot one, which I'm assuming he had since he was willing to lose it.
You know what they say, only fly what you can afford to lose. So there you go, I'm cheap. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:05:15 -
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WTF did I just read?
The real problem isn't null (I had a blast last night running plexes and killing a bunch of DARKNESS Hurricanes, and for once I didn't die), it's the preconceived notions of the OP (notions he spent not even on day trying to dispel). If one needs easy access to markets and instant gratification, why would you go to sov null?
Over the last 8 years I've tried numerous times to live in low sec. It just hasn't worked out, I'm fundamentally unsuited to that kind of game life. I can do wormholes, both types of null and high sec, but low just rubs me the wrong way. The difference between my experience and what the OP vomited here is that I understand that it's my temperament and preferences that are my issue with low, not that "low sec sucks" or some such. Plenty of people live in low sec and enjoy it. |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2016.03.04 14:12:32 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:WTF did I just read?
The real problem isn't null (I had a blast last night running plexes and killing a bunch of DARKNESS Hurricanes, and for once I didn't die), it's the preconceived notions of the OP (notions he spent not even on day trying to dispel). If one needs easy access to markets and instant gratification, why would you go to sov null.
Over the last 8 years I've tried numerous times to live in low sec. It just hasn't worked out, I'm fundamentally unsuited to that kind of game life. I can do wormholes, both types of null and high sec, but low just rubs me the wrong way. The difference between my experience and what the OP vomited here is that I understand that it's my temperament and preferences that are my issue with low, not that "low sec sucks" or some such. Plenty of people live in low sec and enjoy it.
fair point. the problem ia with this game most of the time playing solo is boring when its pvp. mostly pvp is not for soloists its a team sport. ezploration mining missions are all solo pvp really isnt |
Forum Toon
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.04 16:31:30 -
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some of you forget that you face 3 choices, 1. try to play with other people in a team, which fails miserably most of the times as people for some reason afraid to undock. 2. Try to solo, which might be boring due to game mechanics of jumping between giant systems and trying to find someone. 3. dock in the station and spin your ship. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17528
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Posted - 2016.03.04 16:35:14 -
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Forum Toon wrote:I've joined with my main to one of the nullsec blocks and thought I'll have some good time have some action and basically I wanted to see how it is to be a part of player owned internet space empire.
In one word > boring. In one long word > Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring.
Just let's be honest here I won't specify names or any specific I'll just share my general experience.
In general the null plebeians lives in extremely boring space, it's mostly empty and except for 1-2 systems here and there in most systems there isn't a single living soul. As a result in order to meet someone and partake in proper shooting between space station one need to be prepared to jump loads of systems.
I overall in 24 hours since moved to my new null system jumped somewhere between 60 to 100 jumps just inside the null region. It's sucks the life out of me. In the few years I played eve I never had to jump so much.
At any rate all trade hubs are more expensive in margin of around 10-20% which is respectable but you can feel the lack of variety. on the Jita\Amarr\Dixie line of trade hubs one can get anything he wants in competitive price. In null it's challenge to find something, one must trust in contracts set by your alliance.
At any rate seems most null dwellers are worst then high sec isoboxer miners. I never seen a "less" enthusiast group of players in my life.
I'll explain, In the beginning I did highsec pve missions and such. My old corp used to make frigate and cruiser sized roams into low sec and we had some action then came back. then I switch to mining and even then when pvp arrived at our doorstep we stood and fight. Then I tried FW in lowsec and over there people actively went out and searched for fights, ones found each duel was to the death (as everyone carried points and webs etc...).
In null... oh it's painful. everyone hides. like bunch of scared puppies.
It started with fleet ops I've joined where I had to sit and look on boring ass titan parking maneuver. after 40 minutes fleet dispersed and I had to jump 15 systems back to my home base. on the way inside allied space I've noticed a warp scram deployable and some hostiles on the area. As I was alone I reported in intel channel and after 20 minutes no one came they just avoided the system. I started shooting the warp scram until it almost pop'd and only then the owner had the dignity to come out and fight my glorious t1 frigate with his Dictor. seriously... fricking dictor vs t1 frig show some balls.
After taking the Pod Express back to the station I started scouting around while being in the "militia" fleet of that region I was in and while participating in intel channel.
Every turn of the way when we had eyes on enemies the Null dwellers just tailed and ran away. It was disgraceful. I mean... it's a game. A pvp game. the whole point is take ships and shoot other ships.
At any rate after 2 hours of that chicken mentality showed by the local dwellers I decided to take some heavy tanked ratting ship and sit in a plex and rat while I wait for decent fight... FINALLY! someone had the decency to fight and I was tackled in the plex. While still in the "militia fleet" there were another 4-5 fleet members in same system with me + over 10 other pilots in the system. Once I shared intel and told the fleet I got intruder on me and invited everyone to warp to my location in order to share the festivities.. what is the first thing they all did?
Docked.
The fricking cowherds docked and hide in the station.
Overall we had tonight 3 roaming gangs, fleet of stealth bombers and entire fleet of campers camping on the fricking base.. home station inside the home system of that alliance I joined to.
even then meager 10 pilots managed to subdue the flow of operations of gigantic thousands members corps which is member in alliance which hold significant area of space.
Then I ask on my corp chat wtf is going on and why my old mining corp had more balls then them, Then I was told those roaming people just look for easy kills (dafuc easy kills mid capital system of a space empire) and they just dock and bore them to death until they will leave them alone.
you see, those lovely null dwellers spend most of their time ratting in one of the 30-40 plexes spawning in their systems or eve... hold it... mining! in 5-10 alts mining fleets.
24 hours and over 60 jumps I didn't encounter any significant battle. everything was pure hide and seek, pure chicken **** tactics and in all truth... after watching the online videos of those "epic battles" and reading about how nullsec empires are awesome it's plain boring. it's worse then highsec as in highsec you can actually get more proper fights while having access to proper trade hubs and access to more activities then in null. Also I was extremely disappointed with that defeatist mentality of the local dwellers.
TL;DR why highsec miners have bigger balls then nullsec dwellers?
Sorry you joined a bunch of bads. It happens, no denying it. But one group isn't the same as the whole of 0.0
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.03.04 16:48:45 -
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Null was underwhelming in my experience too. And the alliance I was in lacked a JF service. IMO We were the target audience for fozziesov.. Then they nerfed how many wormhole connections there were in null and it became way too tough to do anything out there.
@lunettelulu7
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