You do realize that most of us Hisec carebears have done Nulsec, Lowsec and WH before, mmm?

You do realize that most of us Hisec carebears have done Nulsec, Lowsec and WH before, mmm?

Using your "friends" list to track the people you hate?

I just sent him an entrance to my WH chain. I'm in this for fun, not KB stats by keeping any one character in HS to inflate them. I will thoroughly enjoy him hunting me, provided he risks that KB ratio and does it with that toon.

Assuming he's not to afraid of ******* up his KB on that toon by leaving HS, let the games begin. Again, thats the point of all this.

I will literally give you the j-sig of the system I'm in if you actually risk leaving HS.

He's just trolling you Mortlake, he knows it is practically impossible to find a specific character in a random WH (no Local), which he can move from whenever, where he can't be Located anyhow (This individual is out of my zone of influence. Thank you for using my services, your Agent.) and especially since you don't even know if he's online, thanks to CCP.

At this point he is just trolling and being obnoxious.

What I'd do, is bid my time, wait for the war to wear off, and gank the **** out of him on gate when he travels to Jita or Amarr to sell his stuff.

Or just ignore his chiildish behaviour.

No, you didn't. You sent a mail stating that the entrance to your chain is in one of 20 possible systems. It might have helped if you'd sent the actual J so I could at least attempt to narrow it down. If you're not serious then simply say so, because now you just look like you're stalling.[/quote

I gave you an entrance to a chain I was in. You decided to whine on forums instead of hunting me. Thanks for proving my point. The fact that you whined on forums instead of trying to hunt me proves what a bear you are. Step out of HS and actually take a risk, or just go back to shooting miners and indys, as most HS bears do. But fine. Sending you the specific j-sig now. I look forward to you (and not an alt or friend) leaving HS to find me.

[quote=Starrakatt]He's just trolling you Mortlake, he knows it is practically impossible to find a specific character in a random WH (no Local), which he can move from whenever, where he can't be Located anyhow (This individual is out of my zone of influence. Thank you for using my services, your Agent.) and especially since you don't even know if he's online, thanks to CCP.

At this point he is just trolling and being obnoxious.

What I'd do, is bid my time, wait for the war to wear off, and gank the **** out of him on gate when he travels to Jita or Amarr to sell his stuff.

Or just ignore his chiildish behaviour.

chances are high that already someone else said that but anyway i will do. For my chars who are doing a lot of mining in highsec the watchlist is our only intel. Dont tell me i should have scouts in other systems as i already sub 6 accs - my only chance is to see when people who had aggressed me before come on and then decide maybe better get the fleet back to station. When i see them on the OV it's already too late. Thanks CCP for making mining even more exciting and rewarding (just in case - this sentence is sarcastic)

chances are high that already someone else said that but anyway i will do. For my chars who are doing a lot of mining in highsec the watchlist is our only intel. Dont tell me i should have scouts in other systems as i already sub 6 accs - my only chance is to see when people who had aggressed me before come on and then decide maybe better get the fleet back to station. When i see them on the OV it's already too late. Thanks CCP for making mining even more exciting and rewarding (just in case - this sentence is sarcastic)

Or do what I do on my mining alt. find yourself a belt and open up d-scan. It works best if you find a belt far from the busiest parts of the system and keep your eyes on the scanner. That way when you're mining in your skiff and a few catalysts show up you can think "these guys are likely here for me, better bail" before they are even on grid with you. Watchlist is not your only intel, it's not even that useful intel (for a HS miner) all it does is say a certain player is online. Local and d-scan tell you useful intel, who is in system able to harm you, and what ships are they flying.

chances are high that already someone else said that but anyway i will do. For my chars who are doing a lot of mining in highsec the watchlist is our only intel. Dont tell me i should have scouts in other systems as i already sub 6 accs - my only chance is to see when people who had aggressed me before come on and then decide maybe better get the fleet back to station. When i see them on the OV it's already too late. Thanks CCP for making mining even more exciting and rewarding (just in case - this sentence is sarcastic)

chances are high that already someone else said that but anyway i will do. For my chars who are doing a lot of mining in highsec the watchlist is our only intel. Dont tell me i should have scouts in other systems as i already sub 6 accs - my only chance is to see when people who had aggressed me before come on and then decide maybe better get the fleet back to station. When i see them on the OV it's already too late. Thanks CCP for making mining even more exciting and rewarding (just in case - this sentence is sarcastic)

D-scan works really well if you're mining in a gated dead-space area too, set the distance and direction so that it covers the entrance gate, anybody that attempts to enter the dead space area has to come through the gate and thus shows on d-scan.

Good riddance.

Even setting aside the "free intel" part, this feature had a Titanic-sized potential to be used in all kinds of exploits and harassment.

Good riddance.

Even setting aside the "free intel" part, this feature had a Titanic-sized potential to be used in all kinds of exploits and harassment.

So on Twitter CCP said they were going to look at the watchlist issues over a month ago. Have they posted anything that I missed?

Free intel, pff, what a joke. All it ever told you was whether the person was online at the moment or not, didn't tell you where they were, what they were flying, whether they were docked or in space, afk or active.

Free intel, pff, what a joke. All it ever told you was whether the person was online at the moment or not, didn't tell you where they were, what they were flying, whether they were docked or in space, afk or active. Just online/offline, and even then you didn't know if that guy that just logged off was doing a logoff trap or was disconnected or was genuinely logging off.

Oh look, CCP made it easier to gank. So what else is new?

"In hisec people will have to actually hunt or just camp trade hubs and choke points, I expect even more blanket war decs until that collapses under its own stupidity, I hope that CCP makes war decs only possible against entities that have a POS or their replacements, a citadel or own space, in other words having skin in the game or a reason to fight. Hopefully that will enable corps in hisec to develop more than in the main being one man or single account corps."

The first part of this is a direct result of this change, except the hunting bit... that's become a great deal more difficult now that locator agents are basically a waste of money and time. Some of us are still trying, but it's starting to get more than a little discouraging. I doubt it's going to collapse any time soon though, mercs tend to be tenacious and are more likely to just make those areas into their private hunting grounds until things are either changed for the better or CCP succumbs to the wailing of the 'Just one more nerf' crew.

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm personally against any changes that dumb down or narrow the focus of wars in high security space. Wars exist for a variety of reasons beyond bashing structures and reducing it to that would be for lack of a better word, bad. We need some ability to prosecute wars for hire in a meaningful fashion and for reasons other than 'smash that structure'.

And no, I'm not arguing for the return of the watchlist as it was... that ship has sailed for better or for worse. I do think that the consequences of it need to be addressed though.

Thanks for all watchlist feedback great and small, thoughtful and mean!

We'll be discussing this as a team and I'll endeavour to get some responses on your points and suggestions.

Thanks for your patience!