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Quutar Caldari Auraxian Irregulars	Posted - 2007.02.08 02:55:00 - [1] with the advent of the new(ish) tier 2 battlecruisers and the new tier 3 battleships, have any of the existing battleships or battlecruisers retired? Or maybe due to a new rebalancing? Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon) Ferox is practically unsellable. Scorps are not selling as much as they used to. anything else? is there any ship that is now pretty much useless to fly? Not finding research slots in Empire Space? Try Quutar Research Services.
Mr Peanut STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.02.08 02:57:00 - [2] Prophecy has no niche that I'm aware of. At least Ferox can be a mean frigate popper at long ranges.
Abye Caldari SniggWaffe	Posted - 2007.02.08 03:02:00 - [3] A huge amount of the Ferox use pre Revelations was with 5 heavy missile launchers. Not because they pwn in damage output but because the ferox had a sick tank compared to a caracal. Drake combines both strengths. Myrmidon is a one trick pony compared to a Dominix. Looks way more better, tho
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.02.08 03:04:00 - [4] Apoc is even more useless than before. Anyways, IBTL Originally by: Glenntwo You should be an anti pirate because you enjoy giving a player who is looking for an unfair fight an extremely unfair fight
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2007.02.08 03:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Mr Peanut Prophecy has no niche that I'm aware of. At least Ferox can be a mean frigate popper at long ranges. Rather use an Eagle. They cost almost the same to fit and buy anyway. --------------- PvP in EvE is not consentual.
Skivr	Posted - 2007.02.08 03:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Apoc is even more useless than before. Then I guess so is the Armageddon
Ghostshadow Caldari Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.02.08 03:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Skivr Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Apoc is even more useless than before. Then I guess so is the Armageddon My armageddon makes a good ratter when i'm bored of my raven. Also goon in small gangs. _________________________________ He who laughs last Thinks slowest
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.08 04:10:00 - [8] I haven't seen any Cyclones. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
DunNa	Posted - 2007.02.08 04:23:00 - [9] Scorps (ecm change) Prophs (harb is just all around better the slight tanking boosts don't do much) Cyclones (is there anything this can do better than a cane?) Ferox (drakes are better missle boats and it just doesn't really make that awesome of a rail boat) Hype and Mael are both very much underused. Hypes don't offer much over a mega and cost more, People would just rather fly pests and maels it seems though I really love the visual style of the ship.
Kegger McManus Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 04:30:00 - [10] Maelstrom would be a halfway decent ship if it went on a huge diet. It's way to fat, it moves like a carrier. As it stands right now it's only good for PvE when you dont want to move anywhere.
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 05:28:00 - [11] Quote: Scorps (ecm change) Scorp still works great, just don't rely on multispecs.
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.02.08 05:43:00 - [12] Edited by: X99 Z990 on 08/02/2007 05:42:58 Agreed with Apoc being useless now. Geddon still isnt useless, its 1/3rd the price of an abaddon for starters and has a bigger drone bay. Edit : Oh and a myrmidon isnt half the threat of a domi.
DunNa	Posted - 2007.02.08 06:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Crazy Tasty Quote: Scorps (ecm change) Scorp still works great, just don't rely on multispecs. Works is very personal term I guess you could say. IMO a dedicated ECM ship should be able to use multispecs while non-ecm ships would be forced to have racials as there only option. I don't see racial nosf, racial webs, racial scrams, racial painters, or any other EWAR. Ok thats sorta an ECM rant but stil the ECM changes have really scared off alot of scorp pilots. I don't fly them any more personnally and instead opt for BBs and recons depending on my mood. Rooks are hands down better jammer than a BB and they both have about the same market value (70-80) a rook can also put out "acceptible" dps for a small gang ship. Regardless of the reasons, alot of people just don't fly them anywhere near as much as they used to.
Seine State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.08 06:32:00 - [14] I flew a Cyclone untill I recently got my Sleipnir
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.02.08 07:30:00 - [15] geddon is still very usable as a cheap and disposible fleet ship that can pack a nasty punch Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.02.08 07:47:00 - [16] Originally by: DunNa Originally by: Crazy Tasty Quote: Scorps (ecm change) Scorp still works great, just don't rely on multispecs. Works is very personal term I guess you could say. IMO a dedicated ECM ship should be able to use multispecs while non-ecm ships would be forced to have racials as there only option. I don't see racial nosf, racial webs, racial scrams, racial painters, or any other EWAR. Ok thats sorta an ECM rant but stil the ECM changes have really scared off alot of scorp pilots. I don't fly them any more personnally and instead opt for BBs and recons depending on my mood. Rooks are hands down better jammer than a BB and they both have about the same market value (70-80) a rook can also put out "acceptible" dps for a small gang ship. Regardless of the reasons, alot of people just don't fly them anywhere near as much as they used to. what can i say people are upset they can only render two battleships useless or near cripple three.... sure before the ecm nerf they might have been able to render four useless but isnt that a little exsesive?
Destr0math Tritanium Workers Union	Posted - 2007.02.08 08:10:00 - [17] Edited by: Destr0math on 08/02/2007 08:07:10 Autopest (thats autocannons on a tempest) just don't work well vs. any of the new bs's. So the minmatar battleships all have 1 thing they can do now nanophoon, sniperpest, reprocessmaelstrom tbh, 'phoon can still be a close-up brawler, but no one flies it as that. Bleh.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.08 08:54:00 - [18] I don't see Apocs around (however, I do see a large amount of Geddons and Domis). Among Battecruisers, the Ferox is pretty much in a coma and waiting indefinitely for the rescuing turret slot transplantation (Are you a donor? Contact CCP today!).
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.08 08:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Destr0math Edited by: Destr0math on 08/02/2007 08:07:10 Autopest (thats autocannons on a tempest) just don't work well vs. any of the new bs's. AC pest was never realy popular as it dont have the firepower of a Bthron, but it is still a decant ship and will do ok. Problem with ac pest, its not like a bthron, approaching, stopping, waiting for killmail :D
The Anointed Caldari StarBug Industries	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Quutar Domminixes seam to be less used than before (myrmidon) Erm, have to disagree with that one. The mymidon has a smaller drone bay by far, and less slots for the flavour of the month (nano ships) and in comparison, isnt really that much cheaper in the long run. The mega might have taken a hit to the number of people using it, as it seemed to be the choice of caldari pilots who wanted a fleet ship, and now we have the rokh. Scorps probably took a hit as well, especially seeing as caldari recons are really pretty affordable.
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Destr0math So the minmatar battleships all have 1 thing they can do now nanophoon, sniperpest, reprocessmaelstrom Rofl, you just made my day :D N.F.F. Recruitment
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Destr0math Edited by: Destr0math on 08/02/2007 08:07:10 Autopest (thats autocannons on a tempest) just don't work well vs. any of the new bs's. AC pest was never realy popular as it dont have the firepower of a Bthron, but it is still a decant ship and will do ok. Problem with ac pest, its not like a bthron, approaching, stopping, waiting for killmail :D Seriously, killing blasterthron is easier than killing tempest. F1,f2,f... wtf where did my cap just go. -------- .....
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:27:00 - [23] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: Destr0math Edited by: Destr0math on 08/02/2007 08:07:10 Autopest (thats autocannons on a tempest) just don't work well vs. any of the new bs's. AC pest was never realy popular as it dont have the firepower of a Bthron, but it is still a decant ship and will do ok. Problem with ac pest, its not like a bthron, approaching, stopping, waiting for killmail :D Seriously, killing blasterthron is easier than killing tempest. F1,f2,f... wtf where did my cap just go. OMG I AGREE WITH A BOB :D Anyhow AC pest was as said never that popular, only one who got known for using acs on pest/macha was Ryan Routine, see a lot more Bthron that ac pest, just because of the blasterhype.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:36:00 - [24] I retired my rohk before I even bought one to save on isk. Seriously, what a peice of ****.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Thor Xian I haven't seen any Cyclones. I must say.. i saw only 3 figts between Cyclones and hurricanes since kali.. all the 3 the cyclone won..... If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Skivr Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Apoc is even more useless than before. Then I guess so is the Armageddon With max skills, a fleet Geddon does only 30 DPS less than an Abaddon, but can shoot for almost twice as long if both have triple cap rigs, more than twice as long if not using rigs. Hardly useless. The Apoc on the other hand does absolute garbage for DPS and has no other useful function other than as a mining barge or bait ship.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:51:00 - [27] Edited by: Goumindong on 08/02/2007 09:49:18 The only battleship i can see as totaly useless now is the Apoc. It is just outdone in every way by the Abaddon, since it doesnt use its laser bonus anyway[fits ACs/projectiles] and the Abaddon has a better secondary bonus as well as fitting abilities. The scorpion still works fine for ECM, the Megathron is still better than the Hyperion at range due to the hyps low locking range and cost. The Maelstrom is an entirely different type of ship that the minmatar just dont apreciate because it isnt a meaner version of the tempest though it still has strong applications in both pve and pvp. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:53:00 - [28] The ferox was never a good ship to begin with. People who flew it usually ended up getting killed in low sec by a frig, brutally raped in the close 0.0 systems, or were never in PVP to begin with, so their opinion is worthless. It was a half decent anti-frig platform before, but with the eagle/vulture it's not used except in trash fleets anymore. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.02.08 09:53:00 - [29] Cyclone is by no means a bad ship...its just not that popular esp for solo work. I would kill a run-of-the-mill Cyclone in my Hurricane np. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Got Alliance? Contact me ingame for alliance creation services.
Viktor VonCarstein Amarr Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.02.08 10:31:00 - [30] Maybe I'm going against the grain but I still prefer the Apoc to the Abaddon for mission running, complexes etc. So much so that I now use a Navy Apoc. Normal Apoc has the same slot layout as Abaddon but oodles of cap which means you can have a mean tank. Yes you don't have the resist bonus but you can use the rigs for armour repair amount increase as well as armour hp increase. Also the low slots are not filled with as many cap items. This makes it very easy to run a dual LAR tank with 4 active hardners giving high resists and HP BS level 5 helping immensly. It does take longer to kill stuff but never a worry about tank failing in missions, complexes etc. No worry about lag problems either as cap never runs out. http://sprayandpray.xippy.co.uk

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