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Baden Luskan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:41:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:basically there is a big, huge gap of DPS and sizes between sub and capital ships. and TOO small gap among sub capital ships.
battleships are on the range of the 600 to 1600 dps, while a dreadnought DPS starts at staggering 13000 on siegue mode. i feel the boundary that separates ship damage roles is becoming too diffuse, since they have way too similar stats:
Highest dps per class: (mostly blasters...) ____________ _____________DPS/ price Ratio with previous class frigate _____________255 ( incursus __________50k Assault ships _______352 (Enyo _____________11 mil _____________ 1.5/220 faction frigate _______423 (daredevil __________69 mil _____________ 1.5/6 destroyer __________583 (Catalyst ___________100k _____________1.2/0.0014 Cruiser ___________745 (thorax _____________3 mill _____________1.5/30 Heavy assault ______892 (Deimos ___________100 mill ___________ 1.1/33 Faction cruiser _____980 (vigilant _____________280 mil ___________1.2/3 Battlecruiser _______980 (brutix _____________17 mill _____________ 1/0.06 tier 3 BC __________1351 (talos ____________55 mill _____________ 1.3/3 Command ship ____1186 (Astarte ___________189 mill _____________0.8/3 Battleship ________1506 (Hyperion __________139 mill ____________ 1.4/0.6 Faction battleship___1694 (vindicator _________1bill _______________ 1.1/9 Marauder _________1411 (Kronos ___________750 mill _____________ 0.8/0.7 Moros ______ _____13233 (moros __________1.8 bill _______________10/2
at least on blaster ships, the dps gap can be noticed, on the other ships, their DPSs in general are sooo close to each other, all the ships are basically the same thing dps wise.
why big ships got such a ******* ineffective damage ratio compared to their price? and why size to damage ratio is so Small? twice the size, but 15% more damage ?
it would be nice if maybe ships dps ranges were scaled better compared to their price and size.
lets put this way, 3 destroyers, will do 1500 dps, for 300k isk, and having hull size of 65 meters. this makes them: 1400 times more price effective than battleships, able to kill anything smaller or bigger, and being 15 times smaller.
Signature radius totally makes this information pointless. It is also why a new player can have an impact in this game when fighting more veteran players. the Moros may do 13233 dps, but I wanna see it put all that damage on a sub-capital.
DPS is great on paper, but applying it in Eve is a totally different matter. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
307
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:50:00 -
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Also player numbers Anyone can buy 200 rifters, but not everyone can find 200 friends to fly them Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks. |
Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E. The Lostboys
7
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Posted - 2011.12.16 22:59:00 -
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Dont know if anyone has said this, did not read the entire thread. 30 destroyers may be the same dps as 10 battleships, but 10 players cannot bring 30 destroyers to the field. They can bring 10 battleships.
In many things in eve there is a very strong "diminishing returns" trend. Skill training (5 times longer per level), named module price, and going to bigger ships. Even mining, something like 5 Bantams can mine about as much as a Hulk.
All of this is due to one very scare resource: A player at the keyboard. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
308
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:01:00 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:Dont know if anyone has said this, did not read the entire thread. 30 destroyers may be the same dps as 10 battleships, but 10 players cannot bring 30 destroyers to the field. They can bring 10 battleships.
I just said that you horrible person Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks. |
Hark Hanam
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.12.16 23:39:00 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:Dont know if anyone has said this, did not read the entire thread. 30 destroyers may be the same dps as 10 battleships, but 10 players cannot bring 30 destroyers to the field. They can bring 10 battleships.
In many things in eve there is a very strong "diminishing returns" trend. Skill training (5 times longer per level), named module price, and going to bigger ships. Even mining, something like 5 Bantams can mine about as much as a Hulk.
All of this is due to one very scare resource: A player at the keyboard.
True but IMO anyone can buy 200 rifters, not everyone can find 200 friends to fly them.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2083
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:02:00 -
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Yes?
Welcome to EVE. Bigger is not better (and GÇ£betterGÇ¥ exists on at least five different axes). Price does not measure performance and does even not scale linearly with itself. Marginal improvements come at massive expense.
So what? All of these are intended design decisions to create balance and variety.
Nothing is ****** up GÇö you've just acknowledged that things are working perfectly. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
416
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:04:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Ignoring tank, damage application and deployability makes your thread a complete fail i did want to add tanking ability but on that field the problem is just as bad, while deploy ability you know small ships will excel at movement while big ships suck at it. specially now on times of hot dropping everywhere. also all this ships are using blasters so their damage aplication is the same, or actually it makes the problem worse, the destroyers will be able to apply their damage at EVERYTHING, while the battleship is solely limited to other ships of its class or battlecruisers if lucky.
Sure because the tank, damage application, cap stability and deployability of a Siege Dreadnought makes it so unfair to those Abaddon pilots.... Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:14:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Feligast wrote:This is the worst thread.
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
309
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:18:00 -
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According to my calculations, Estamel's invulnerability field should be 1,6666666666666666666666666666667 times pricier than the Invulnerability Field II.
It is currently a bazillion times pricier.
CCP plz fix Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
514
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:23:00 -
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Feligast wrote:This is the worst thread.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
305
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:28:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Feligast wrote:Feligast wrote:This is the worst thread.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
208
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:32:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Feligast wrote:Feligast wrote:This is the worst thread.
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
310
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:39:00 -
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And thus it was proven that those who say
on the EVE forums have no idea why they're supposed to not empty quote.
Empty quoting. It's allowed. Here. Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks. |
Jita Alt666
658
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Posted - 2011.12.17 00:41:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:And thus it was proven that those who say on the EVE forums have no idea why they're supposed to not empty quote. Empty quoting. It's allowed. Here.
Not Empty Quoting
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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
582
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Posted - 2011.12.17 01:38:00 -
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If you want to make your ratios neat, readable, and comparable, then keep one number constant between them. 1:23 1:54.2 etc |
Thaylon Sen
The Istari Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2011.12.17 02:32:00 -
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Xolve wrote:... do you have any idea how big a 1400mm round would be? ... Hmm.... At a wild guess I'd say 1.4 metres. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
310
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Posted - 2011.12.17 02:37:00 -
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Thaylon Sen wrote:Xolve wrote:... do you have any idea how big a 1400mm round would be? ... Hmm.... At a wild guess I'd say 1.4 metres.
Curse you non-americans and your effective SI units.
12 inches in a foot 3 feet in a yard 1760 yards in a mile It gets better when you have to deal with the derivative units for force and etc.
It is a testament to humanity that we were able to go to the moon with that crap Do not take me for some conjurer of cheap tricks. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2083
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Posted - 2011.12.17 02:39:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:It is a testament to humanity that we were able to go to the moon with that crap We weren't. They used SI units as wellGǪ
GǪsplitters!
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
344
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Posted - 2011.12.17 10:02:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Alara IonStorm
629
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Posted - 2011.12.17 10:34:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Moved from General Discussion. Welcome OP to Ships & Modules.
We all think your an idiot. Allow the following stream of replies to clarify why.
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