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Heavy Arms
Gallente The Phoenix Mercenaries The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Heavy Arms on 09/02/2007 04:22:50 Edited by: Heavy Arms on 09/02/2007 04:22:00 Edited by: Heavy Arms on 09/02/2007 04:21:19 ooppps hit enter to quickly.
my question is im am currently training to use the dictor launcher and i am wondering if there is any point to using a dictor without the launcher? as in a frig killer, and what would be the highest class of ship to bother trying to kill. fyi this is for pvp in 0.0 space.
edit: is it viable to use a dictor as a tackler or is it better to just use a inty.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.02.09 04:28:00 -
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Sabre is pretty damn viable as a heavy interceptor.
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The Multiplicity
The Edenists
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Posted - 2007.02.09 08:44:00 -
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The only 2 'dictors worth anything are the Flycatcher and Sabre, and of those, the Sabre is akin to a heav interceptor due to its speed. Speed combined with the range you can get from small autocannons, and the added hitpoints means that its likely to kill most ships, cruiser sized and down.
You'd have to be immensely lucky to do the same with the Eris or Heretic.
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Killer Dragon
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Killer Dragon on 09/02/2007 16:14:31 My Flycatcher Setup Was :
6x Rocket II (Normal Thorn Rockets), 75mm II ( Spike), Bubble Launcher
1mn mwd II, dark blood stasis web, 20km (lowcpu scram), darkblood cap recharger, medium fs9 shield ext (lowcpu)
local hull istab
RIGS: -Mass Rig, +Missile Velocity or Flight Time rig..
Sabre Setup :
7x 200mm II (phased plasma/barrage), Bubble Launcher
Gistii MWD, Fleeting Web, t2 24km scram ( i think ), Med Shield Ext II
Local Hull iStab, Gyrostab II
RIGS: -Mass, +MWD/AB Speed
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I had a few LG Snakes + Hardwirings and the flycatcher was around 4,300ms and the sabre around 5800ms.
I prefered the flycatcher though. I would set orbit at 10,400m keep mwd on.. giving me approx a 13.5km orbit. From there I would spam rockets and kill my target, also with Propulsion Jamming V and Dark blood cap recharger... The modules ran for a long time.
This gave me the ability to kill t1 cruisers, all interceptors, frigs etc. I also killed 2 fairly skilled Sabre Pilots with this setup.
The Sabre on the otherhand I didn't like too much as it has to go in web range to deal its maximum damage. Although the sabre deals out far more damage than the flycatcher it was too vulnerable to webbing, thus getting owned by decent cruiser pilots.
Alot of people will tell you the best interdictor is the sabre, I would say otherwise and recommend the flycatcher for its ability to hit outside web range.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.02.09 16:41:00 -
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To be honest you are better off with an inty to tackle.
The lack of a sig radius bonu on an interdictor means you will get molested on approach.
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gazarsgo
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.02.09 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Dragon Alot of people will tell you the best interdictor is the sabre, I would say otherwise and recommend the flycatcher for its ability to hit outside web range.
i guess you don't know how falloff works? not surprising, since you fly caldari :P
i fight at 10-13km in my sabre, depending on if i think they have nos or not. i'd be happy to run into one of your faction/rigged flycatchers. here's a hint: the sabre is dictating range in this conflict.
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Maxine Blade
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Posted - 2007.02.09 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Maxine Blade on 09/02/2007 22:00:51
Originally by: gazarsgo
Originally by: Killer Dragon Alot of people will tell you the best interdictor is the sabre, I would say otherwise and recommend the flycatcher for its ability to hit outside web range.
i guess you don't know how falloff works? not surprising, since you fly caldari :P
i fight at 10-13km in my sabre, depending on if i think they have nos or not. i'd be happy to run into one of your faction/rigged flycatchers. here's a hint: the sabre is dictating range in this conflict.
Hmm. I have both a Sabre and a Flycatcher... In this fight, the Flycatcher would win, even though the Sabre is faster and dictating range, I don't see how you can hit the Flycatcher with transverse above 2000m/s (assuming both have MWDs on).
HOWEVER, a good Sabre pilot would close and web; therefore, the Sabre would win. More DPS than a Flycatcher.
The point of the guy who posted that the Flycatcher is better in dictating range is that with a warp disruptor, the flycatcher can hang out at 18km and still hit, even though transverse is above 1000m/s.
I use my Sabre more than my Flycatcher, but lobbing Fury Bloodclaws at Cruisers who can't hit me is a hell of a lot of fun in a Flycatcher going with full MWD on, and more effective my Sabre at that speed. You can't even hit a target with MWD on with Artys or ACs.
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Heavy Arms
Gallente The Phoenix Mercenaries The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:02:00 -
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Well im not flying a flycatcher so im only using the sabre thus the post topic name.. but what is a good setup using the sabre as a tackler since atm i cant use the launcher for another week or so. also no faction stuff for the most part. only t2/t1 named stuff. thanks for any info.
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Maxine Blade
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Maxine Blade on 09/02/2007 23:03:08 This is my setup today.
200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Improved Cloaking Device II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Fleeting Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Shield Extender II
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
Rigs : Empty Slot \ Empty Slot \
2012 shield, 10.73/s, E/T/K/Ex=10/19/39/59 781 armor, E/T/K/Ex=79/35/25/10 377.34375 cap, +3.52/s, -8.835/s 814.0 m/s
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POOPSCOOPER
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:15:00 -
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would be ok to just swap the AC's for arties. i would like to stay out of web range if at all possible. and would it be a good tactic to use my alt in his domi to use 3 ogre II and maybe 2 heavy TP drones to up the dps of my turrets? just a thought not sure if it would be smart to do so.
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Heavy Arms
Gallente The Phoenix Mercenaries The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Heavy Arms on 09/02/2007 23:17:47 SCOOPER is my alt sry ^^ since i cant say the first part without sensor lol.
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Fruchten
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.10 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: ****SCOOPER would be ok to just swap the AC's for arties. i would like to stay out of web range if at all possible. and would it be a good tactic to use my alt in his domi to use 3 ogre II and maybe 2 heavy TP drones to up the dps of my turrets? just a thought not sure if it would be smart to do so.
Arties don't fit on the sabre. It has much less PG than the thrasher. Well I guess you could fit a few MAPCs and maybe fit arties, but ACs are so much more fun :P
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FFGR
Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Fruchten
Originally by: ****SCOOPER would be ok to just swap the AC's for arties. i would like to stay out of web range if at all possible. and would it be a good tactic to use my alt in his domi to use 3 ogre II and maybe 2 heavy TP drones to up the dps of my turrets? just a thought not sure if it would be smart to do so.
Arties don't fit on the sabre. It has much less PG than the thrasher. Well I guess you could fit a few MAPCs and maybe fit arties, but ACs are so much more fun :P
250's II is possible, 280's count them out _______
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Harry Voyager
Obscurity LLC
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Maxine Blade Edited by: Maxine Blade on 09/02/2007 22:00:51
Originally by: gazarsgo
Originally by: Killer Dragon Alot of people will tell you the best interdictor is the sabre, I would say otherwise and recommend the flycatcher for its ability to hit outside web range.
i guess you don't know how falloff works? not surprising, since you fly caldari :P
i fight at 10-13km in my sabre, depending on if i think they have nos or not. i'd be happy to run into one of your faction/rigged flycatchers. here's a hint: the sabre is dictating range in this conflict.
Hmm. I have both a Sabre and a Flycatcher... In this fight, the Flycatcher would win, even though the Sabre is faster and dictating range, I don't see how you can hit the Flycatcher with transverse above 2000m/s (assuming both have MWDs on).
HOWEVER, a good Sabre pilot would close and web; therefore, the Sabre would win. More DPS than a Flycatcher.
The point of the guy who posted that the Flycatcher is better in dictating range is that with a warp disruptor, the flycatcher can hang out at 18km and still hit, even though transverse is above 1000m/s.
I use my Sabre more than my Flycatcher, but lobbing Fury Bloodclaws at Cruisers who can't hit me is a hell of a lot of fun in a Flycatcher going with full MWD on, and more effective my Sabre at that speed. You can't even hit a target with MWD on with Artys or ACs.
According to the Eve Tracking Guide's calcs, a maxed skill Sabre, using 7x200 II and Barrage is going to be dealing 98.06 dps at 12.5km to a 90m target with a transverse of 2km/s. You close to 5km, and you're looking at 160+ dps. You then slow down to 1km/s and you're looking at 180dps
200mm autos have high base tracking, and with a 25% bonus from tracking skills, and another 50% bonus form the ship, it is all but impossible to evade them. Throw in the double packed fall-off bonuses from the Destroyer skill and Barrage, and you have some impressive light gun range to boot.
Harry Voyager
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Killer Dragon
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: gazarsgo
Originally by: Killer Dragon Alot of people will tell you the best interdictor is the sabre, I would say otherwise and recommend the flycatcher for its ability to hit outside web range.
i guess you don't know how falloff works? not surprising, since you fly caldari :P
i fight at 10-13km in my sabre, depending on if i think they have nos or not. i'd be happy to run into one of your faction/rigged flycatchers. here's a hint: the sabre is dictating range in this conflict.
I know how falloff works. But, do you keep your mwd on whilst orbitting at that range? If you don't.. Whats to stop the cruiser your shooting mwding to you?
If you do... Then your cap will run out before you kill the cruiser... And Im not sure how well the sabre hits whilst orbitting with mwd on.
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Phish1
Liberty Forces Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Phish1 on 10/02/2007 14:26:11 today i have had 6 kills so far from wandering solo.
2 x haulers, 2 x intys (crow and malediction), 1 shuttle, 1 rifter
got a cov ops frig last night (and got the cloak), took out bout 4 shuttles and 3 inties
so in 2 days i got quite a few kills solo in my sabre... its a damn fine ship
my fitting:
7 x 125mm AC IIs, bubble maker MWD II, disruptor, web, sensor booster 2 x beta i-stabs
3702 m/s with my *(meagre) skills, so its faster than most of the inties i face.
125s have wicked tracking, and a high ROF which i find useful, if you fire a volley off when you are exactly passing someone its not long till your next volley will hit them, with 200mm i found i was missing while orbiting/passing and had to wait longer to fire again.
edit: just got a shuttle
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Killer Dragon
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Phish1
3702 m/s with my *(meagre) skills, so its faster than most of the inties i face.
Where do you hunt, where most intys only go < 3,700ms?
Originally by: Phish1
edit: just got a shuttle
rofl.
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Mew
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Posted - 2007.02.11 08:02:00 -
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How about the Sabrebond?
7*200mm Autocannons, Rocket Launcher MWD, 20km disruptor, 2 med shield extender 2*mapc
You can zip round like a loon and do fair damage.
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Zafira Nasr
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Posted - 2007.02.11 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mew How about the Sabrebond?
7*200mm Autocannons, Rocket Launcher MWD, 20km disruptor, 2 med shield extender 2*mapc
You can zip round like a loon and do fair damage.
Nah, 1 MSE II is better + gyro II/local istab. Also the web is important.
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Andreya
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Posted - 2007.02.12 06:50:00 -
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i exclusivly fly the sabre, works wonders in empire as well. obviously just watch out what you attack and avoid web range against larger targets, ive used my sabre to solo a experianced brutix before and most cruisers. and obviously ANY ship its size or smaller will die
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gazarsgo
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.02.12 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Dragon
Originally by: gazarsgo
Originally by: Killer Dragon Alot of people will tell you the best interdictor is the sabre, I would say otherwise and recommend the flycatcher for its ability to hit outside web range.
i guess you don't know how falloff works? not surprising, since you fly caldari :P
i fight at 10-13km in my sabre, depending on if i think they have nos or not. i'd be happy to run into one of your faction/rigged flycatchers. here's a hint: the sabre is dictating range in this conflict.
I know how falloff works. But, do you keep your mwd on whilst orbitting at that range? If you don't.. Whats to stop the cruiser your shooting mwding to you?
If you do... Then your cap will run out before you kill the cruiser... And Im not sure how well the sabre hits whilst orbitting with mwd on.
i can run my mwd nonstop for several minutes, with the 20k on. i just finished High Speed Maneuvering IV though, and ofc already have prop jamming V for my bubble. it's pretty simple though, if my cap hits ~28-30% i turn off the mwd, and if my cap is this low the cooldown on my bubble launcher has cycled so i can drop a new one and let it tackle. i can run my mwd pretty much forever if i don't have the 20k on.
the point is that the sabre has the same advantages as the flycatcher (fighting outside web range, and even medium nos range if you really max out your skills) plus more speed. the flycatcher is certainly a great choice if you factor in isk cost though, but I find the overlap in gunnery skills much more useful for training further ships (t2 cruiser/bs) since everyone knows caldari hacs and recons are awful :)
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Stutka Driver
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:01:00 -
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I would agree that the Flycatcher is the better choice for dueling with cruisers, i.e. orbiting out of web range and dealing consistant dps. However, a PROPERLY piloted Sabre will always prevail when locking horns with a Flycatcher. My Sabre squashes Flycathers like bugs. Bottom line is guns do more dps, and I will catch it because I'm faster.
Also, please do not ever put a cloak on a Sabre, there are other ways to protect yourself that don't gimp your lock time.
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