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Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 11:23:00 -
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Can anyone tell me the stacking penalty when using 3 x Remote Sensor Damps pls ??
lol, in English pls, I have been going through these forums and the maths I have seen makes my brain ache!
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Odda
Gallente Tyrell Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.09 11:28:00 -
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Same as the Other sensor damps
first 100% second 50% Third 25%
Rogh numbers.
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mematar
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.02.09 11:31:00 -
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Closer to like 100%, 87%, 54%, 27%.. something along those lines.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.09 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: mematar Closer to like 100%, 87%, 54%, 27%.. something along those lines.
[nitpick]57% and 28%[/nitpick]
In numbers: with no shipbonus and lvl 4 in the spec 3 RSD2 bring a ship to roughly 13.7% of the old targeting range. With the full ship bonus it's 7.6%.
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Bermag
Point-Zero Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.09 11:58:00 -
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IS the stacking penalty calculated for each targeting ship or counting how many RSD is on target?
For example if it is one ship with 3 RSD on one target compared to 3 ships with one eact targeting the same ship?
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.02.09 12:08:00 -
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Per RSD on the target. It's the stat that is effected that is stacking penalized, not the mod per se. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Rude Bwoy
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:21:00 -
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I don't understand. Could someone answer this please:
If I target a ship with a 100km target range and activate 3 x T2 Sensor Dampeners, what will its target range be reduced to?
Thanks
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Plague Black
4S Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rude Bwoy I don't understand. Could someone answer this please:
If I target a ship with a 100km target range and activate 3 x T2 Sensor Dampeners, what will its target range be reduced to?
Thanks
What are your skills? What ship are you flying? If you have good skills and fly gallente recons then he will be able to target things close to his nose.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:32:00 -
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I'd like to know why they suck so hard when compared to Phased Muons. Whats the point in having T2 appart from the price?
Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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Rude Bwoy
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:33:00 -
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Ship is a lachesis. Recon lvl 4. Plus Signal Suppression lvl 2..
I see your point - you're looking at what 10-20% of original targetting range (approx) for argument's sake.
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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2007.02.09 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rude Bwoy I don't understand. Could someone answer this please:
If I target a ship with a 100km target range and activate 3 x T2 Sensor Dampeners, what will its target range be reduced to?
Thanks
100%, 87%, 54%, 27%.. something along those lines.
Look at your module, you will have a %. We will call that x.
Damper one will do x leaving them with 100 - x.
Damper 2 will do .87x leaving them with 100- x -(.87x)
Damper 3 will do .54x leaving them with 100- x -(.87x)-(.54x).
Solve 100km -x -(.87x)-(.54x)=y for y plugging in your damper value as x and you will have your answer.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 09/02/2007 17:03:17 Base reduction of RSD2s is -48%, meaning a ship has 52% of it's targeting range left if you use one of it. Skills reduce it further. The full ship bonus from the lachesis reduce it by 25%, lvl 2 in the spec by 10%. So it's a reduction to 52% * 0.75 * 0.9 -> 35.1%. Or -64.9% on the module info. If the target has 100k range it's range after 1 damp is 100k * 0.351 -> 35.1k.
As has been said, dimining return mods for the 2nd module are 0.87 and for the 3rd 0.57. Meaning the 2nd damp acts effeciently as -64.9% * 0.87 -> -56.46% damp. So the target has 100% - 56.46% -> 42.54% of it's old range left. So after the 2nd damp it's 35.1k * 0.4254 -> 14.9k.
For the 3rd damp the calculation is identical as for the 2nd, exept that the diminishing return mod is here 0.57 instead 0.87.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 09/02/2007 17:03:17 Base reduction of RSD2s is -48%, meaning a ship has 52% of it's targeting range left if you use one of it. Skills reduce it further. The full ship bonus from the lachesis reduce it by 25%, lvl 2 in the spec by 10%. So it's a reduction to 52% * 0.75 * 0.9 -> 35.1%. Or -64.9% on the module info. If the target has 100k range it's range after 1 damp is 100k * 0.351 -> 35.1k.
As has been said, dimining return mods for the 2nd module are 0.87 and for the 3rd 0.57. Meaning the 2nd damp acts effeciently as -64.9% * 0.87 -> -56.46% damp. So the target has 100% - 56.46% -> 42.54% of it's old range left. So after the 2nd damp it's 35.1k * 0.4254 -> 14.9k.
For the 3rd damp the calculation is identical as for the 2nd, exept that the diminishing return mod is here 0.57 instead 0.87.
What effect do dampening drones have on the figures? If used along with RSDs? What if just drones are used and no RSDs?
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M00dy
Stain of Mind DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Math
Your math skills make my pants tight!
HAXORZ TO THE MAXORZ BABY, YEAH!!!
Now if only I had written that... :p - Devil |
Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.09 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: VJ Maverick What effect do dampening drones have on the figures? If used along with RSDs? What if just drones are used and no RSDs?
If you use *only* drones it would be identical as to RSDs, just that instead the -64.9% number you would use -25% (for heavy damperner drones).
More than 3 damperner drones (no matter which size) will do little though, because they get stacking penalities, too. For a 4th effect it's 28% effeciency and for a 5th 11% effeciency - so a 4th heavy damperner drone would only act like a 25% * 0.28 -> 7% mod and the 5th as 25% * 0.11 -> 2.75% mod. In other words, the 2 additional heavy drones would reduce the target range to 0.93 * 0.9727 -> 0.9 or 90% of what you get with 3 heavy damperner drones. Not really worth it.
If you want to use them in addition to the RSDs don't bother. A stacking penality stacked mod does not care where it's effect comes from, everything what effects it falls under the same stacking penality. So if you use 3 RSD and then put in addition 2 heavy damperner drones on the target it owuld be just like above, the drones would get the stacking penality for the 4th and 5th module, resulting in only a 10% reduction (like if 3 damps get the target to 10k the 2 heavy damp drones would push it further to 9k).
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.10 00:50:00 -
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I've been informed that one of the nastiest combo's with EW / EW drones = RSD + ECM drones. Now me I'd neeeever use such an evil combo
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VJ Maverick
Caldari Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.02.10 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Max Hardcase I've been informed that one of the nastiest combo's with EW / EW drones = RSD + ECM drones. Now me I'd neeeever use such an evil combo
Makes sense. Lower the scan resolution of the target with the RSD. But if by any chance, the target is able to lock you, the ECM drone will break its lock meaning the target will be back to square one and spending another 2-3 minutes trying to get a firing solution.
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