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Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:47:00 -
[601]
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry CCp> Hi K you got those logs from RKK you hacked from their server? K> sure do right here CCP> listen while you are at it, can you hack into DICE EVOL BNC as well and see what you can dig up? CCP> Can you do D2 next month, I mean if it fits in your schedule or stealing from the FBI and such? K> Ok ill get to work on that right now
Talked to him like that? LOL
CCP should hire K. If one guy can find out in a couple weeks what CCP's internal controls miss for eight months, who knows what other skeletons are left to uncover?
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Grez
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:49:00 -
[602]
Originally by: Kernel Sander
Also, Kgutsumen needs to have all of his accounts re-activated. If he gets busted breaking the rules in some other way, then you can feel free to ban him, but this time he got caught out exposing fraud in CCP's corporate practices, so he has a Get Out of Jail Free card. It is doubly shameful of CCP to ban him for whistelblowing - and regardless of what rules he broke to gain his information, the whistleblowing is the only item of importance at this juncture.
Amen. In the real world, if someone breaks the law to whistle blow (breaking an entry to find out someone murdered another person (persective of "crime" commited withstanding)), they get a light tap on the wrist, and the person who commited the real "crime", gets punished. t20 hasn't been punished (as far a we, the players can tell), and Kgutsumen is still banned for doing us all a favour, and bringing this to light. You for one (CCP), should be greatful to him for bringing this to light. ---
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Kruzenshtern
Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:49:00 -
[603]
The admittance is a good first step. However, as CCP should, and is fully aware, this complex game universe creates long tails for any unplanned incursions. The salvaged forum logs fully and very simply indicate the presence of sharing game mechanics details ("t2o secrets", leaked AT LEAST across BoB directorate). This could, and had impact which is impossible to measure both due to it's intangible nature AND due to the immensity of the consequences. Same goes to the *effects* of the BPOs given out. As in profits and objects created. And anything else subsequently bought for these profits.
You should employ the same policy used in the 4S renaming crisis. Those guilty should be punished. I am sorry to say this, but by their actions (including current despicable harping on the whole incident by ship naming and blatant "we're gms/devs/whatever" so-called jokes in local), and by actions of most probably well-meaning devs in the Band of Brothers alliance, they have brought the necessity of nerf bat to hit that very alliance. Because they have partaken of forbidden fruit, and lied about it, and most of things they said they didn't do are now being proved to really happen, so there is no trust, and there is no way to measure the impact over time; so nerf bat it should be, one way or the other.
Oh, and unban the whistle-blower, at least until you ban all those who lied, as he has so far been proved right, not wrong.
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Skooney
Gallente Universal Agencies
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain
Originally by: Skooney I just hope that all of you that are being so critical of T20 and CCP remember this when one of you, makes a bad decision in life.
It was a mistake, it has been corrected, lets move on and play the game.
T20 - As far as I am concerned, it takes a real man/woman to stand up and "take it on the chin" - Forgiven!
Let's play EVE!
There is a difference between a mistake and a deliberate act.
Mistake = Whoops *me drops plate of spaghetti and it lands in your lap
Deliberate = *me takes a run-up and slams plate of spaghetti into your face.
One deserves forgiveness the other does not. T20 will always be a cheat, he didnt accidentally press the wrong button on the dev console and spawn himself some bpos, and then accidentally hand them to RKK.
Play symantics however you like. What he did was a mistake in judgement. Not unlike many of us have done in real life.
If I slammed a plate of spaghetti in your face, that may be poor judgment or a mistake in my actions.
Regardless - This being blown WAY out of porportion.
Just remember this the next time you are caught using poor judgement, or make a mistake. That is my only point.
Universal Agencies
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:49:00 -
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All very disappointing. As much as I think that it is a good thing that the Devs play the game (just look at SWG for a game where people NOT playing the game make the decissions *shudders*), something like this shouldn't have been possible in the first place.
If t20 is to keep his job he at least should never be allowed to play on Tranquility again while he is an employee of CCP.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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ph33rf4ct0ry
Minmatar Hookers From Mars
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:49:00 -
[606]
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry CCp> Hi K you got those logs from RKK you hacked from their server? K> sure do right here CCP> listen while you are at it, can you hack into DICE EVOL BNC as well and see what you can dig up? CCP> Can you do D2 next month, I mean if it fits in your schedule or stealing from the FBI and such? K> Ok ill get to work on that right now
Talked to him like that? LOL
CCP should hire K. If one guy can find out in a couple weeks what CCP's internal controls miss for eight months, who knows what other skeletons are left to uncover?
Genius let's hire a convicted hacker to hack our customer bases forums!!!!!!!!!!!
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Qual
Gallente Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kitsune Seventails * Unban the whistleblower's account. This shouldn't even be up for debate. This whole scenario is reprehensible, and needs to be set right ASAP. [/quote
This would be a threat to the general player base, so absolutely not. Mind you he only did this out of self interest, not some high flying idealism.
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:49:00 -
[608]
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry CCp> Hi K you got those logs from RKK you hacked from their server? K> sure do right here CCP> listen while you are at it, can you hack into DICE EVOL BNC as well and see what you can dig up? CCP> Can you do D2 next month, I mean if it fits in your schedule or stealing from the FBI and such? K> Ok ill get to work on that right now
Talked to him like that? LOL
CCP should hire K. If one guy can find out in a couple weeks what CCP's internal controls miss for eight months, who knows what other skeletons are left to uncover?
Yes, hire a hacker, that broke into forums and player accounts. good idea! is everyone in goonswarm this smart? How's your cat btw? |
MrDisposable
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:51:00 -
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I have an easy solution. Allow the devs to only play as members of the pirate factions.
This way they can be involved in the game, test out fleet battles and *gasp* maybe NOT GIVE PLAYER ALLIANCES UNFAIR ADVANTAGES
easy.
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Bawldeux IV
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: SamuraiJack Point 1) Hmm... wheres the bob blob? Guess they got told to shut up and let this burn out.
Point 2) Just a game? How about you have YOUR allaince booted out of your space by "influnced" Allaince with "favor" in high places. See what you think.
Point 3) CCP needs to sort this and fast and also look at the other favouritism that has gone on. Complexes, Account sharing, Petitions (how long did it take you to get your stuff back vs the opposing allaince?)
CCP is in a PR landslide. Fix it... or you will die trying.
Based on the way ccp handled this, we can assume that those that benefited from this, will get off without a loss, nothing done, while those that suffered from the 'misconduct' (nice way to say "F'ing over the paying customers"), will get laughed at behind closed doors while the devs get drunk, and count OUR subscription money.
I know I wont resub when my gtc runs out.
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dathi
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:51:00 -
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this is a prue and utter disgrace.... t20 should loose his job, as stated by helmirr ccp rules state basically you cheat your fired... this is an admited (forcably) confession to cheating by 1 dev, so far, whos to say that other devs in other alliances have not sucomb to temptation and done exactually the same?
there are majour issues this discovery brings to the forfront of the comunity, its a shame that this has runed my love for this game......
i will be viglintly wathing this debachal unfold....
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nillis
Caldari Dark Light Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:51:00 -
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Its pretty sad to think,if 'somone' hadnt used some questionable methods,we wouldnt have known about any of this.
I'm having a real Tinfoil moment here,but there has to be more to it than just this.
----------------------------------------------- There are only two people I trust. One of them is me,the other,isn't you |
Qual
Gallente Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:51:00 -
[613]
Originally by: Niaski Zalani
Register on his site. It'll be there :) I can't link it since it's against the forum rules (*sigh*)
Why do you think you ahev to REGISTER to get this info from this HACKER?
Engage brains please...
"The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf |
Destructor1792
Minmatar Trade and Research Technologies R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:51:00 -
[614]
After reading the blog, the only option this guy has is to resign and cancel all accounts within CCP.
He has given alliances a BAD name & if this was you or me, we'd be hoofed out our job!!
Now people will be judgemental and say whichever Alliance was involved have now had an unfair advantage for the past 9mnths. I understand this and agree to a point yet we must be adult in this disclosure & be rational.
The BPO's were return. prehaps a mail to whichever alliance to warn them that any profits made from these were against the EULA (which they were) and give them a set amount of time to bolster their wallets to cover the offset.
Unfair to the alliance I know, yet fair to the Eve community.
This is (after all) a game, but by cheating & using mechanics which are not available to the rest of the community, this is the only fair option that I see fit for the culprit (and unfortunately the corp/alliance he was in).
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:52:00 -
[615]
What... everyone out of breath? I finally caught up with the last page and...
silence... ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms! |
Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:52:00 -
[616]
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected]) |
Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:52:00 -
[617]
Originally by: Sinlare
Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry CCp> Hi K you got those logs from RKK you hacked from their server? K> sure do right here CCP> listen while you are at it, can you hack into DICE EVOL BNC as well and see what you can dig up? CCP> Can you do D2 next month, I mean if it fits in your schedule or stealing from the FBI and such? K> Ok ill get to work on that right now
Talked to him like that? LOL
CCP should hire K. If one guy can find out in a couple weeks what CCP's internal controls miss for eight months, who knows what other skeletons are left to uncover?
Yes, hire a hacker, that broke into forums and player accounts. good idea! is everyone in goonswarm this smart? How's your cat btw?
The entire idea of people complaining about cheating while the only way they got the proof was through BREAKING THE LAW is pretty hilarious in the first place.
But don't let that stop you, your COOODDEEE of ethics has been broken, everybody on eve unite against the horrible human being who took a few crappy blueprints. God, cut. -- Whatever I said I said while drunk and doesn't reflect my alliance or corporation's views. |
kaahooters
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:52:00 -
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this is a prue and utter disgrace.... t20 should loose his job, as stated by helmirr ccp rules state basically you cheat your fired... this is an admited (forcably) confession to cheating by 1 dev, so far, whos to say that other devs in other alliances have not sucomb to temptation and done exactually the same?
there are majour issues this discovery brings to the forfront of the comunity, its a shame that this has runed my love for this game......
i will be viglintly wathing this debachal unfold....
(oiginally with incorect charactor)
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Voltron
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:52:00 -
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Glad to see you've developed an IA dept. It does go a long way, at least in my eyes, to rebuilding CCP's credibility/integrity.
Make no bones about it, you've lost a tonne of credibility with a boatload of your subscribers i.e. your paycheque. I'm sure not everyone cares about the whole situation, and that others are just ticked b/c the alliance involved was BOB. There are more still that are simply ticked with the breach of integrity, thats where I sit personally. However the step mentioned above should help you in your journey to repair what has been lost.
As for making an exception to the rule for one dev...never a good idea, ever. Consistency is key to dealing with infractions; ESPECIALLY infractions that dictate termination of employment when broken. I completely understand that some situations do indeed require understanding and leniancy, however if the dev in question wasn't going through several serious life issues at the moment then you probably should have maintained your claimed previous consistency.
Still, kudos for creating such a department, I truly hope they exhibit the same commitment to the rules and integrity that Hellmar does.
Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
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Philo Farnsworth
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:53:00 -
[620]
Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
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Wild Rho
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:53:00 -
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t20 isn't sorry for what he did, he's sorry he was caught.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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Jacob Majestic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Genius let's hire a convicted hacker to hack our customer bases forums!!!!!!!!!!!
I would be satisfied if CCP demonstrated a commitment to transparency.
However, the only reason we are here today is because the "convicted hacker" revealed the snake in the grass and because we threadnaughted it.
I love EVE. If it takes a "convicted hacker" to restore the integrity of the game, then that says more about CCP than it says about the "hacker," don't you think?
Oh hey, what about that GM that was scouting our POS in 28Y last night?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 09/02/2007 23:51:54 That's the prints he admitted to, as was said when our group discussed it, why would he risk his job for such a crap set of prints, simple answer, he didn't...
Fire t20. Disband Band of Brothers Repo all their tech II blueprints and re-seed. Heal0 all their capital ships.
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Hiberto DeCasta
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:55:00 -
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What's done is done. Let's make sure it doesn't happen again. An advantage gained throught training and experience is one thing, but, advantage "given" is another. If I were one of those that devoted a lot of time to a research agent, I'd be really ****ed! As long as they will be re-introduced I have no problem.
I also believe in second chances! I hope that those at CCP feel the same way, and can find some way punish t20 other than termination (that is if no policy had been previouly implemented). However, if a FIRM "termination" policy was already in place, then t20 must now lie in the bed he has made.
I happen to be one of those subscribers who enjoy this game immensely (almost insanely) and would hate to see something like this tarnish CCP and EVE-online's reputation. Now lets move on to improving/expanding an already great game.
Cheers HD
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Sliver Jade
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:55:00 -
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Fire t20.
Ban all individuals who took advantage of t20's cheating ways.
Ban all individuals who knew about t20's cheating ways.
To do anything less is a disgrace.
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Sinlare
Gallente Sinlare Auditorium
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Majestic
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Genius let's hire a convicted hacker to hack our customer bases forums!!!!!!!!!!!
I would be satisfied if CCP demonstrated a commitment to transparency.
However, the only reason we are here today is because the "convicted hacker" revealed the snake in the grass and because we threadnaughted it.
I love EVE. If it takes a "convicted hacker" to restore the integrity of the game, then that says more about CCP than it says about the "hacker," don't you think?
Oh hey, what about that GM that was scouting our POS in 28Y last night?
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Kilrauko
Caldari BlackTalon Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:56:00 -
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Some of you people are really amazing; "I quit..." "I feel ill..." "I dont know what to think..."
Anyways;
I'm glad it came up, I'm impressed that the ceo replied to this issue. I still trust you CCP, you have less corruption in you then say in FBI, CIA or Scotland yard. And that's something most of the people here are forgetting. I still recommend this game to my friends and no I dont post to any gaming magazines how one of your employees did a mistake. I still trust kieron and other devs, anybody considered why he didnt post more of the matter back then was simple because he was following the contract he had signed? The police doesnt tell all the facts of the criminals during investigation either and neither should CCP tell about the matters that can be considered as corporate secrets. I hope the work T20 did can be easily continued by another member of the dev team or even better yet, perhaps T20 can be given a position suited for his skills & the trust you have in him.
I'm thankful for community to support another drama thread with lots of moaning and other stuff
Now since it's Friday let's all do more drinking and less wrist cutting mkay?
Cheers! -Kil
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Sogarth
Amarr Apache Corp EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:56:00 -
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Trust, Honour and Integrity
IÆm afraid that T20Æs statement leaves me feeling ôsacrificial lamb to the slaughterö
To regain the trust of the community and restore its integrity, CCP you need to take drastic action
Any and all employeeÆs found to be involved should be dealt with in the severest manner, and make it known.
Any player known to be involved or profited directly should be banned from the game, and make it known.
Any corporation or alliance that profited (from direct involvement) from this should be dealt with, how, thatÆs again is up to CCP to show the community that it takes it seriously, and make it known.
Reinstated the ôwhistle blowerö and compensate him for his lost game play.
Give a full and clear statement of all involvement, actions taken, and measures being taken to ensure that it doesnÆt happen again.
My personally view is that CCP needs to show a strong hand in dealing with this. Failure to do so, will lead to a lot of the player base mis-trusting CCPÆs involvement with the game development and with the game play itself.
Fly Safe Everyone
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Vhedrish Nell
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:56:00 -
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Please don't leave the fox in the henhouse. Anyone with access to code can cheat in ways far more insidious than simply using a dev tool to create some BPOs... Ways which even the most diligent IAD will not catch because there will be no logs. Anything from "Oopsie. That's a bug." to code tailored to allow those in-the-know an unfair advantage. Any code an unethical developer works on must be suspect.
Developers cheating is unfortunately all too common... if you're talking MUDs and the like. But anyone willing to be paid a salary, and then turn around and cheat both their employers and their paying customers, falls into the category of a "rare breed." Zero tolerance; terminate t20. Failure to do so would simply demonstrate t20 is not the only one at CCP who can demonstrate extremely poor judgement.
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Niaski Zalani
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.09 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Qual
Originally by: Niaski Zalani
Register on his site. It'll be there :) I can't link it since it's against the forum rules (*sigh*)
Why do you think you ahev to REGISTER to get this info from this HACKER?
Engage brains please...
Seeing as how I'm the one that hosts his site, my brain has been engaged all the way, thank you very much.
Not all of it is public, and one has to register in order to view the more interesting things.
If you're scared we'll steelz your eye peez, don't worry. Every web server does. Every forum does. Your eye peez are already public knowledge.
If you're afraid your e-mail account will get hacked, might I suggest you create a free e-mail account somewhere. And by all means, put a unique password on it. Not the same password you use for all your accounts.
It's actually quite safe. ...Free Kugutsumen... |
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