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Keldon Raven
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsuko Souma Get this through your skulls, 6 ill gotten BPOs does not mean 3 years of grind in BoB and whatever time before BoB (for various corps) gets erased in a hail of OMGWTFDEVHAX ****ery.
Indeed this is true however anything they have acomplished through honest means (and lets face it most of the BoB players are honest victims in this as well) will now forever be overcast by this issue.
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Daddy's Belt
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:33:00 -
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Daddy's Belt's Law:
Every organization always operates on behalf of the perceived needs and priorities of some core group of key people. This purpose will trump every other organizational loyalty, including those to shareholders, employees, customers, and other constituents.
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha I'd just like to say thanks to all the people who now call about 1000 people liars, cheaters, untrustworthy and scum for no reason other than them not knowing what was going on.
I'll be sure to mimick this behaviour and call every single American i meet a corrupted, money laundering politician who should be shot, i shall call every German a **** sausage lover, i shall call every Scot a worthless alcoholic, i shall call everu muslim a suicidal and stupid fundamentalist.
Seriously. Read my ******* post and say this isn't seriously ****** up.
I applaude you for the narrow minded approach you have taken in this response, you seem to miss the fundamental issue here that is BoB high command lied - fact and thus you as part of the bob infrastructure should do something about removing these people from their positions other wise you are in fact as bad as them
plus, your remarks are inflammatory and banable in them selves, your alliance has shot itself in one foot you my friend have shot the other, good luck out of eve !
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Cerwyn Taraman
Minmatar Phoenix Tech Industries Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:38:00 -
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I too would like to see some of the seemingly double standards resolved, if Molle posted RL info on the forums (hundreds of players apparently saw it before he edited it), then he should at the very least get a fairly lengthy forum ban for doing so. You can't just enforce some rules some of the time when you feel like it, that is not ethical in any sense of the word.
These other allegations need to be looked into as well, if some are true (including most shocking ones) then there is really no reason why the mole should lie as to the other stuff. Fabricating huge amounts of chat logs seems like a large expenditure of time IMO. Not saying that alliances other than BoB don't do all of this stuff too, but maybe there needs to be some changing of policies to allow some of this if it's not going to be enforced equally.
Cerwyn
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R'adeh
Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:38:00 -
[1535]
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: R'adeh Edited by: R''adeh on 10/02/2007 15:28:47
Originally by: Reiisha I'd just like to say thanks to all the people who now call about 1000 people liars, cheaters, untrustworthy and scum for no reason other than them not knowing what was going on.
I'll be sure to mimick this behaviour and call every single American i meet a corrupted, money laundering politician who should be shot, i shall call every German a **** sausage lover, i shall call every Scot a worthless alcoholic, i shall call everu muslim a suicidal and stupid fundamentalist.
Seriously. Read my ******* post and say this isn't seriously ****** up.
People realize not all of BoB are corrupt Devs. The reason why people are so mad, is that whenever they accused BoB of targeting stuff in POS and other exploits, we were ridiculed by BoB's "OMGHAX, tinfoil hat, STFU or proof, you suck, tinfoil hat!!!1!1!" crew.
Well, turns out we were right I know BoB has a lot of decent fair PVP'ers, no doubt about that. But corrupt devs in your ranks, leaders ridiculing other people for accusing you of stuff that has now been proven as correct (Riddari!!!), and that god damn "tinfoil hat STFU proof" squad has tarnished your AND CCP's name.
I'm sorry for the average BoB member who wants nothing but PVP and had nothing to do with all that bull****, you are the ones suffering from CCP's leniency and the some of your members incredible arrogance and corruption.
There was a single dev of which people didn't know he was a dev...
How are we tarnishing CCP's name?
Riiiight, NO ONE knew about it...and people should believe that After some of you locked us inside a POS, we were made fun of after complaining. Turns out it was a bug not a lot of people knew about, but you ofc new about it. Your LEADER was ebaying a character!! A Dev KNOWING about account sharing of high-level BoB accounts, and he did NOTHING. However, if some random EVE player would get caught, he'd get banned right away...want more?
As I said before, I don't think ALL of BoB (or even the majority) are guilty of knowing what really went on. But some of you knew and kept on ridiculing everyone accusing them. You might be one of the good Bobbits, I'm not accusing you. I'm accusing some of your fellow alliance members for cheating in a frickin' game we pay to play, and now have to find out that we don't all had the SAME CHANCES!!
If you're still ok with what happened, I feel sorry for you
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Maltasras
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:38:00 -
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Is it legal to offer isk's to reveal "Sir" Molle RL info... or is it legal to try get community to spam his eve mail? If it is legal keep sending mails to sir molle to quit playing if it is not dont do it Allso 1 billion isk's offered for RL info of this RL messaround guy details IF it is legal... if it is not forget it..
THIS was alt posting here.
For real this whole stuff wont have effected me allmost any way in game. Most effects are mental and poor attitude in game of friends who feel betrayed... |
Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:39:00 -
[1537]
Edited by: Kerushi on 10/02/2007 16:39:39
Originally by: Keldon Raven
Originally by: Mitsuko Souma Get this through your skulls, 6 ill gotten BPOs does not mean 3 years of grind in BoB and whatever time before BoB (for various corps) gets erased in a hail of OMGWTFDEVHAX ****ery.
Indeed this is true however anything they have acomplished through honest means (and lets face it most of the BoB players are honest victims in this as well) will now forever be overcast by this issue.
why would u need t2 ammo bpo`s? u need ammo for the t2 fitted t2 ships so best question is: what other bpo`s did he spawn? the amount must be so high that it would be an economic dissaster, simplest way of covering it up: make a post admitting to some crap bpo`s say it happend in the past and was delt with, wich gives a "get out of jail card" now
if T20 would have been fired (it it trully was in the past), he could have gone public with the exact stuff he spawned to ruine the economics universe wide and an impossible dammage control task for ccp
reason he wasn`t fired and excuses are being used
no, i`m not paranoid, it just wouldn`t suprise me at all
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ChironV
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sinlare
Originally by: ChironV
Originally by: Sinlare Edited by: Sinlare on 10/02/2007 15:26:20
Originally by: Mayoz Miner
Well tbh he might be a bit irate but he has a good point when I see a BoB member in a nice ship I think " yea probably gained that through cheating" (directly or indirectly). They have BENEFITED from this in many ways too ....butterfly effect..its just sad really cheaters when all said and done
Then you should think again.
Just like we should think again and look at all your posts then ask you to post with a main and stop hiding in an alt like a frightened little child.
BOB's credibility is done. They were tarnished by an untrustworthy Dev. For good, or for bad, no one will trust them again.
Says deep core mining.. Go away goon alt.
Moron. Check my post stats. I checked yours. BOB alt. ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
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Elendar
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:47:00 -
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It was discovered six months ago and they didn't take the bps away then... and now that people actually find out about this they decide oh.. hmm.. maybe we should take these illegally aquired bps away. seems like whoever decided what to do about this case 6 months ago looked on it with a suspisciously favourable eye
either you didn't know about the bps 6 months ago, in which case this is a newly discovered and more serious case and should result in discipline seperatly (as last time hardly seems to have worked with bob keeping the bpos)
or you did know, in which case why remove them now and not then?
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib
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Altemi Calabre
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:49:00 -
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There is no doubt that the bulk of the community is going to be very unhappy with this news.
To the good CEO of CCP:
I do not envy you. I can only guess what shades of livid, angry and furious you must be chewing through to speak rationally in your post. I believe your policy is sound, both in keeping dev's playing and connected to the community as well as your, for lack of better phrase, personal 'zero tolerance' approach to such infractions.
In the type of environment you are dealing with it's unfortunate that the implication of scandal and impropriety are often as damaging as actual impropriety, leaving you no maneuvering room. I applaud your efforts in restoring order.
To t20:
Your apology is meaningless to most of this community. You abused power that you were not only trusted with, but you did it in a fashion to secure yourself over people who admire, support and dammit man, PAY YOU. You can't even claim disgruntled employee by looks of it as your superiors were categorically forgiving in your case.
The fact you say that only one of the above accusations is true? I call 'shenanigans'. Your credibility is non-existent and the fact is, certainly on the information sharing accusations, there is no easy or meaningful way to _prove_ that accusation as I'm expecting there is no level of forensic log information available to sift through to find anything incriminating. Toss in the ability to use outside communication tools, and you 'sir', have zero credibility on us just taking your word for it.
In a game where people already use alts to dodge meaningful consequence to their actions, your actions illustrate the utter hazard of consequence free environments. People need to be held accountable and in your case, your corp and alliance mates have to be assumed complicit in your actions even if only becuase there is no possible way they did not directly benefit from your actions. How much ISK have you made your corp? Your alliance? The fact that BoB is top dog only reinforces peoples suspicions (however unjustifiably).
You sir, have single handedly given ammunition to every BoB hater in the game. You have in fact, I think, polarized much of the community into assuming they are cheaters (a fate that I am certain the large majority of BoB does not deserve).
To BoB:
Good luck on riding this out lads and lasses. There is no doubt that you are on the chopping block and will be feeling aftershocks of this for a bit. I hope the guilty are caught and dealt with where and if they exist and the innocent suffer no more than absolutely necessary in their game enjoyment.
I'm sorry if this comes across as needlessly harsh. As someone who has maintained communities himself I feel a lot of pathos for CCP right now. An abuse of trusted staff in power is devastating to morale and culture.
My sig says it all, but top marks to CCP on at least making an effort to prove it wrong.
Altemi
~ Why is it those with the greatest responsibility to make good decisions so often seem the least capable or inclined?
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Zenobite
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:51:00 -
[1541]
Edited by: Zenobite on 10/02/2007 16:53:48 Edited by: Zenobite on 10/02/2007 16:53:35
Originally by: Severian Maura So do all the people who where killed by sabres and or the ammo bob used get full refunds back becuase they cheated?
Oh and CCP said there is no favortism for bob but every time CCP gets caught cheating its with BOB.
And the only person who gets punished is the person who brought this information to light.
So in genreal if you ever suspect a deveoper of unfairly helping bob keep your mouth shut or CCP will ban you. Which in turns says CCP condones its devolpers cheating.
Have to admit the acctions of CCP are strongly making me consent to quiting this game.
Yeah thats pretty much what I think, I can't believe the only person who got banned was the one blew the whistle. Total double standards, its pathetic.
Also articles like this are going to destroy Eve's credibility to new players.
just been told can't post this link
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Xoria Krint
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:55:00 -
[1542]
Let's vote for a interview with the CCP Staff. They have to answerer all the question regarding this. No BoB invited to the interview.. ---
My Movies
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Scoundrelus's Alt
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:57:00 -
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What about the players who accepted the BPOs knowing that it was a dev? Don't they get banned? Who cares if that guy who got his accounts banned broke EULA, frankly had he not broke it most of us would still be living in a state of ignorance. Who cares how much he damaged your reputations, your reputations DESERVED to be damaged, your own employees pretty much broke EULA too and they're still working at CCP.
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Al Franken
The Liberal Media
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:58:00 -
[1544]
Originally by: Xoria Krint Let's vote for a interview with the CCP Staff. They have to answerer all the question regarding this. No BoB invited to the interview..
interview with CCP staff. . . .no BoB invited. . .
does.not.compute
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Comstr
Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:58:00 -
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It's going to be sad, but t20 needs to resign. Because he can never, ever, represent CCP in public again. Who's going to take him seriously now?
It's the only way to close the ****storm, and calm down all the other, unproven but known about, alligations.
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Xoria Krint
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:00:00 -
[1546]
Originally by: Al Franken
Originally by: Xoria Krint Let's vote for a interview with the CCP Staff. They have to answerer all the question regarding this. No BoB invited to the interview..
interview with CCP staff. . . .no BoB invited. . .
does.not.compute
Why do you want to talk to BoB?
"SirMolle, Did you know that the dev's gave you a bpo?" "No"... ---
My Movies
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Nikali
Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:00:00 -
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Rather off topic, but it seems the forum code can't handle this many pages. We're on page 57 but the navigator bar at the top reads only up to 55. Sirs, I think we lagged the node.
But, eh. From Kieron's responses in his response thread thing, it looks like what's gonna happen has happened. I do agree that Molle's release of RL data on an individual was really bad form. If someone did that to me, I'd be taking whatever legal recourse was available. But then again, this 'whistle blower' is a hacker and, from what I've read, was accessing people's accounts left and right without permission (not that permission matters anyway). So good riddance to /that/. I like my account the way it is. With all the ISK and private data intact. So I won't cry about him being gone.
Anyway, I'm sleepy, and this thread is awful. Bedtime.
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Happydayz
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:01:00 -
[1548]
also, CCP is very very lucky that this is coming out now, AFTER the fan fest.
All of their ridiculous cover-ups, backtracking, and completely vacuous explanations would hold little weight if they had to confront their subscribers face to face.
And watching the neckbeard rage would also be hillarious to boot
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Comstr It's going to be sad, but t20 needs to resign. Because he can never, ever, represent CCP in public again. Who's going to take him seriously now?
No idea, but I can't wait to see the reaction to his next post on the forums if he does continue working at CCP.
t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
Nikali
Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:01:00 -
[1550]
Whups. Scratch that. It caught up with us. My bad, folks. Heh.
Oh. To be on topic: BoB. Rawr. Evil and mean. Okay, I'm good.
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Nim9i5
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:05:00 -
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Why would he take the bad BPO's illogical, if he only took those I don't see much damage -- but there is more. And why is he not fired??? Most rediculous thing I have ever heard.
I have no doubt that the top members in BoB know things about t20. Reasons because in 6 months it will have to slip via ts, etc. There is no way they did not know of this just for the fact that it has been to long, and you can't keep secrets for 6 months its bound to slip. BoB are quite and not defending their case like they DID in the past when there were no facts, now there is and they are quite. I heard t20 also gave alot of dev secrets away to BoB as well and such. All im saying in 6 months no one can keep a secret, he must have told the top members; BoB is just as guilty.. they knew about this. Seems like everyone was right bob does cheat
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Devie Viviem
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:07:00 -
[1552]
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Welfare State
Originally by: Reiisha
How would you feel if you'd been called a lowlife liar, cheater and scum for no reason at all by complete strangers?
Why I do believe this is irony, old chums.
Thanks for proving my point.
Reiisha....it's guilt by association. You should be old enough to know this by now. You and your corpies unbeknown (maybe) drove the getaway car every time you jumped on the forums to flame and say "proof or STFU" to those who cried out that there was something going on.
Until you distance yourself from a crooked alliance you will be known as lowlife liar, cheater and scum. I, like many others, find it Ironic that an alliance that insisted they had no help and were just better.....are exactly NOT that. People who played the game and and either joined or one day wanted to be part of the "Best PVPrs" are now more than second guessing themselves.
I read about a big argument between some trusted directors of a big corp (cant remember who right now....maybe someone can help me) where a couple directors were going to quit because another director knew something they didn't.
I will say this...I respect you for posting on this thread. It seems that Sirmolle and the others are to busy deleting e-mails or something to answer questions that have arisen. Maybe BoB has a gag order in effect...wouldnt that be funny.
Your ship is sinking. If you are looking for a corp to fly with put in your application. You wouldn't get hanger rights or TS passwords, but it'll get you back on your feet again. We could use some good pilots. A couple of ours got disgusted about BoB having an unfair advantage and left game a while back.
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Evil D4rk
Caldari Shihan.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:07:00 -
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This issue is going to be hanging over BOB's head for a long long time, for the sake of BOB and for the sake of the whole community it should be dealt with now.
As I can see it, Dev/player interaction has alway been accepted to happen, players have been recuruited as dev's, players have been consulted by dev's. There is a relaxed stance around this chattting with Dev and players which in turn has led to some things I am sure would not be approved of by this community.
This relaxed attitude needs to stop, this attitude is what has led us to the "t20" incident, one dev makes a mistake and takes things to far and gets caught. Now damage control is in place..but it is not enough.
If the communities questions are not answered to satisfaction this incident will never ever be forgotten and it will taint everything BOB does in the future.
A full investigation must be done and members of the alliance in question must be found innocent or guilty to finally allow us to put this behind us.
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Nim9i5
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:10:00 -
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Top members of BoB knew ALL about this.
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Xoria Krint
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nim9i5 Top members of BoB knew ALL about this.
Of curse they did ---
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Kerushi
Caldari Black Thorne Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:12:00 -
[1556]
Originally by: Nim9i5 Top members of BoB knew ALL about this.
like that would be a shoking revelation
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Soon Tzu
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:13:00 -
[1557]
Originally by: Kilrauko
Originally by: Soon Tzu
Originally by: MegabitOne Kudos to CCP for sharing this internal information with the EVE-Online community.
I can imagine only very few other games companies where the CEO himself informs their community of their internal workings like CCP did on this occasion. Thanks for sharing this with us, not in the least in the way the communication was made: one from T20 to say a big mea culpa, and a very dry, to the facts one from the CEO. Respect!
Allthough the facts are regrettable, CCP gets a big thumbs up from me for doing the right thing. How the case with T20 is/has been handled is up to CCP's discretion and will.
I sincerely hope that CCP continues to be as open in the future as they have been in the past!
Well done CCP, great communication management.
either that is poor sarcasm as it sounds like butt kissing or you don't understand that the majority of the playerbase has been F'ed over by CCP and their favortism with the allowed usage of cheats.
Or you dont get it that majority of the playerbase, meaning over 20k accounts are currently playing happily in TQ. I'm mining omber atm, what you're doing? If the word you meant was minority then your statement is correct one and we see that minority, about 1600 posts where most are double or triple posts here, making the numbers go around 700 people. Even if there were 9 more angry customers behind every person who posted here it's still minority.
So I ask again, I'm happily mining omber and enjoying the game I play, what are you doing?
well, I have ensured all my accounts are closed, and will not renew, and I am also talking to the Credit Card company about this issue.
how is that for what I am doing.
I will play the game for the remainder of the existing subs, and then be gone.
I have written 2 more companies onto the "never buy from" list EA was there, now CCP, and White Wolf.
Is WW happy about this sudden exposure of events and the credibility issue that has ensued, from something that started before the merger but was covered up?
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niroshido
Caldari Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:14:00 -
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wow, what a sh** storm
points that have already being expressed 1: T20 should be sacked 2: the T2 BPO's withdrawn from the accused 3: the accused alliance charged for exploiting the game 4: CCP held accountable for all allegations of misconduct
yup thats bout it before it starts getting repetative
The longer CCP tries to cover its tale, the deeper the sh** piles up, it just doesnt work, the only solution i can find from this is: justice be served on a dish to all who offended, broke the rules and r**ed the game
as everyone says: The T2 BPO's should be removed (this is a must, there should be no leniency on anything relating to certain powers changing the outcome on the lottery)
compensation to the community by CCP for allowing misconduct by any member of staff
fact is, staff should not be allowed in corps or player owned alliances due to bia's opinions, the same applies to the GM's, its not nice seeing a GM being leaniant on a friendly corp member for an ingame offence and then the GM being stringent on a person from an opposing corp over the same manner.
If CCP expects the online community to forgive and forget this major breach of trust, CCP must be willing to make sacrifices, or at least even out the score EQUALLY
disclaimer: this is my opinion not my corps, or alliances opinion
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Nils Bohr
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Nils Bohr on 10/02/2007 17:12:43
Originally by: Frug It sounds to me like some players will never be satisfied. If you're never satisfied, why bother whining?
Quote: Did Cyvok indeed log of his Titan only to have a dev make it re-appear?
If you believe something like that, you will never be satisfied. That's just absurd.
Tinfoil hats ftw.
About two weeks ago, I'd have agreed with this.
But it's really no more absurd than a developer putting his job at risk by fraudulently spawning rare items in game and giving them to his mates. No more absurd than CCP's decision to allow those fraudulently obtained items to remain in-game even after learning of the fraud.
Tell, me, Frug -- or kieron, if you're reading this -- what about CCP's conduct to date would lead me to believe this did not happen? Am I supposed to believe noooo, no dev would EVER do something like that? Or perhaps that nooooo, CCP would NEVER turn a blind eye to it?
I had a lot of faith in CCP's integrity when all this started.
Had.
Past tense.
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Soon Tzu
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Posted - 2007.02.10 17:17:00 -
[1560]
Originally by: Sinlare
Originally by: R'adeh
People realize not all of BoB are corrupt Devs. The reason why people are so mad, is that whenever they accused BoB of targeting stuff in POS and other exploits, we were ridiculed by BoB's "OMGHAX, tinfoil hat, STFU or proof, you suck, tinfoil hat!!!1!1!" crew.
Well, turns out we were right I know BoB has a lot of decent fair PVP'ers, no doubt about that. But corrupt devs in your ranks, leaders making for of people for accusing you of stuff that has now been proven as correct, and that god damn "tinfoil hat STFU proof" squad has tarnished your AND CCP's name.
I'm sorry for the average BoB member who wants nothing but PVP and had nothing to do with all that bull****, you are the ones suffering from CCP's leniency and the some of your members incredible arrogance and corruption.
you weren't right, there was a dev that cheated with some bpo's. The rest has been proven to be bull****, so the tinfoil stfu was right.
proof??
show said proof or STFU. (hi there BoB alt <waves to the BoB alt>)
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