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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:11:00 - [1] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 10/02/2007 04:08:15 So the war grinds on into weeks four and five. And sadly our predictions on CYI morale and ongoing military capability have been proven largely correct. The passive stance enforced by the Cyrene Directorate has sapped the will from the fighters the alliance actually had and exposed the industrialists and non-combatants to daily risk and ongoing predation. ItÆs akin to a man choosing to hide from his enemies submerged in water û for a time the strategy works but what happens when he begins to drown? Its amazing really that this once prosperous and numerous Gallente Nationalist Alliance has been so quickly despatched to near-nothingness, and as much as one feels pride in the accomplishment of comrades and fellow revolutionaries, pure honesty demands that we lay the responsibility for this rapid devolution where it deservedly stands: the ill-founded Wassenar Doctrine and Executor CrausaumÆs attempt to win this war by hiding in stations. The second time weÆve seen this military theory attempted and convincingly debunked û it simply doesnÆt work. Those members of the target alliance who can and will fight are utterly demoralised by lack of support from their alliance-mates, while those who choose not to fight often find it easier to slink away in the night rather than see their profits and industry suffer day after day. ItÆs like choosing slow death from asphyxiation over direct confrontation û senseless and rather pathetic in the final analysis. For the Star Fraction itÆs not been a thrilling war certainly, but itÆs continued to teach us the benefits of patience and cunning: for the deconstruction of a nationalist alliance of several hundred members is never an easy thing even when the targets fail to shoot back. Agent searches, ambushes, psychological warfare, stalking prey and long periods of virtual inaction while learning the patterns and habits of the CYI remnants û all in days work and the payoff will be another nail in the coffin of capsular nationalism and victory for free independents in Placid and the wider Federation. Star Fraction and Piracy One of the first accusations that is usually hurled at the Star Fraction by nationalists and uninformed (or even) ignorant commentators is that we ourselves ôpiratesö or ôpirate sympathisersö or even ôpirate supporting hypocritesö as some histrionic voices squawk on the intergalactic summit. And itÆs an easy accusation to throw at us because our particular Rules of Engagement prevent us from consider those people who havenÆt fired at us as enemies outside of formal ideological campaigns. We consider hostility between third parties ônone of our businessö until such time as either of those third parties shoots at us û then it becomes ôour businessö and we engage the aggressorÆs corporation and alliance as much as we deem necessary and useful to our alliance interests. This of course plays right into the hands of the Nationalist spin-masters of organisations like Kimotoro Directive or Cyrene Initiative who like to claim their militia organisations are ôbringing orderö and ôsafetyö to low-sec border regions with ôanti-pirateö patrols and the like. By attacking them (they claim) we are indirectly aiding ôpiracyö and bringing the fight to innocents who would not be dying if they (the nationalist militias) were not suppressed and trapped inside docks by their enemies. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:13:00 - [2] But the reality is always very different and while it is true that organisations like the Directive and Initiative did a certain limited amount of work against small NBSI corporations on their borders from time to time they really had no major impact save polishing their egos at the very occasional kill. And critically of course, both the Directive AND Cyrene Initiative have NAPÆed and arranged mutual standings with the larger NBSI organisations in their regions who are much more likely to threaten neutral transmit and economic activity. These NAPÆs are pragmatic certainly û and they do (or did) protect Nationalist industrialists, but they certainly did nothing to promote the ôanti pirateö agenda these memetic imperialists speak of publicly. Since they had precisely no power to enforce or demand these third party bullies change their own standings regime and could only wring their hands in mock outrage and renew their ôfightö against the tiniest entities. But I digress, the reason I speak of these things now though is that in the absence of any organised CYI fleets to fight Star Fraction has been in significant conflict with many NBSI organisations in Placid Lowsec and returned very good results. Such hostility general begins with an NBSI entity attacking a lone SF vessel, registering its malign intentions, being set to -10KOS status by SF directors and then natural attrition doing the rest. Such an incident happened way back on December 25th When a Placid NBSI fighter named ôNo Beardö attacked a lone Star Fraction Probe class light cargo frigate armed only with a scan launcher and destroyed the vessel. ôNo BeardÆs corporation was set to -10 KOS û ôBlack Fleetö and we moved on with our specific preparations for the CYI war build up. Now ironically ôBlack Fleetö turned out to be a local ôpirate corpö that had been fighting CYI for many months and was well used to terrifying the locals out of Covryn System (lowsec +1 jump from Stacmon). And they have earned the dubious honour of being one of the organisations we tend to target for ad hoc operations anytime the Cyrene Initiative is completely suppressed. LetÆs just say they havenÆt enjoyed the attentions much and during the CYI war the statistics of the engagements between Black Fleet and Star Fraction read like this: Black Fleet have destroyed the following SF vessels (including the all important ôProbe Frigateö) : 1 Frigate, 1 Cruiser, 1 Interceptor, 2 Assault Frigates, with a total estimated ISK replacement value of 75m ISK. In return SF fighters have destroyed: 4 Frigates, 10 Cruisers, 1 Interceptor, 1 Assault Frigate, 5 Battlecruisers, 2 Battleships, 2 Recon Cruisers, 1 Heavy Assault Cruiser. 2 Command Battlecruisers, and a Freighter, with an estimated ISK replacement value of around 1.5billion ISK. This represents fairly good suppression of this self-declared ôpirate corpö at an economic destruction ratio of about 20-to-1. All while the Star Fraction was involved in a formal and complete war with Cyrene Initiative. In the same period we note that CYI itself (as is typical of such boastful nationalist militia entities) has withdrawn all and any claims of ôprotectingö the neutrals of Placid from NBSI predation and chosen to turtle ineffectually in stations. I trust the comparison in attitude is proof enough that the instinct towards memetic imperialism through submission to statist dogma is a markedly inferior methodology when striking back at those whoÆd predate by aggression on independent shipping. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:15:00 - [3] Something to bear in mind certainly when listening to desperate Nationalist Ideologues attempting to convince the Intergalactic Summit that Star Fraction intervention against their organisations has increased the danger from NBSI aggression and random piracy in their claimed regions of interest. In our experience the opposite is usually the case û and in absence of ineffectual militia claims the resident population take matters into their own hands more capability alongside learning to fight for their own freedom as independent captains. Picking at bones Between bouts of annihilating Black Fleet in Covryn System we have found the occasional CYI target to engage however, and even through a bleak period of scant opposition we were able to isolate and discover targets of opportunity for our roving patrols. The amusingly named ôEgomaniacö lost his Curse Class Recon cruiser attempting a bait and ambush against SF pilot Elaron, who was himself able to call in reinforcements to trump the single Brutix reinforcement that CYI themselves managed to muster and oversee the flawless victory over a well-equipped and dangerous vessel. When the fight turned against the Nationalists û Brutix pilot ôBrazzleö chose to abandon his comrade to destruction and ran away impotently in a very common display of CYI military tactics. SF pilot Nalya Nephilim picked up the next loyalist scraps in the form of a lonely Vexor Class cruiser piloted by ôRodwellö trying to eek out a frugal existence from low level agents. Durok Torn was then caught napping in Renyn System a long way from home in the Federation trying to hide from our patrols û and despatched and executed in the wreckage of his Cyclone class Battlecruiser for the crime of abandoning his cause without formally surrendering. Red Eclipse director Chinook was eliminated in Tar System and removed from his Thorax class cruiser and executed by Backalley Anna and Nalya Nephilim. Fleeing from the area in a shuttle Guiding Star pilot ôjeepwranö found himself vulnerable to execution regardless of the swiftness of his ride and was ended by SF new recruit Tareen Kashaar who presented his corpse to the Cosmopolite most proudly. Failed Ambush and Utter despair from the Nationalists Again in Tar System CYI attempted a eliminate a lone SF pilot but found themselves counterattacked by Jonny Damordred flying a Deimos class Heavy Assault Cruiser with support that wrecked a pair of Ixion Defense SystemsÆs Throrax class cruisers guarding the sniping Abaddon class Battleship of Red Eclipse veteran ôRonjaö. When the smoke of battle cleared the wreckage was all on the nationalist side û with CYI pilot ôGwydion Telcontarö executed by SF interceptor ôaceö Sakura Nihil for good measure. Another crop of tech2 sniping technology captured and another bad loss for Red Eclipse û as one of their only reliable fighters was again unshipped and humiliated by SF boldly springing their nationalist traps and living to tell the tale. This was to be the last CYI sighting for a 72 hour period of almost total inaction from our opponents. SF chose to split our forces six ways and pursued all active CYI pilots to wherever they were hiding and suppressed them until they went planet-side and abandoned their hopes to undock to continue their industrial efforts. And when there were no targets to chase we always had Black Fleet û and they became our special ôentertainmentö in Covryn and paid a steadily increasing price for their destruction of our Probe-class cargo frigate. Amazing really how little resistance CYI could muster and a further 72 hour period yielded nothing but a pair of mission-running casualties for the nationalists as the Brutix class Battlecruisers of ôEekhoö and ôBrazzleö were intercepted some dozen jumps apart by different Star Fraction patrols and both CYI pilots were executed in expanding debris clouds around their wrecks Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:16:00 - [4] One last hurrah for Nationalism Then five days ago CYI pilot ôEekhoö equipped a replacement Brutix and turned the tables on a Star Fraction attack wing consisting of Vexor and Caracal class cruisers backed by a Harpy class Assault Frigate. Admittedly this was a relatively inexperienced SF group, but one cannot take that away from the result û and ôEekhoö was able to destroy all three fraction vessels without the loss of his own Battlecruiser. Probably the single best CYI action of the entire war in terms of the odds and result, and credit where it is due û when we write the history of this conflict its probably the only noteworthy example of a nationalist fighting back effectively and holding the field. Unfortunately for CYI EekhoÆs example did not inspire their executor to rescind ôavoid at all costsö orders for the Cyrene fighters and they continued to die where we found them elsewhere. Lonely and isolated another pair of Vexor class cruisers died to SF pilots Tecam Hund and Tareen Kashaar respectively and then in a terrible display of cowardice a Cyrene Astarte was abandoned to die following a failed ambush in Eletta system that pretty much summed up the whole problem with the nationalist strategy in the war: The situation was that a lone SF pilot Coeleth had been hunting CYI target ôAcid Iceö (both hunter and prey flying Brutix class Battlecruisers.) Acid Ice had called in help from CYI pilot ôColera Deldiosö who had brought an Astarte class Command Battlecruiser to help the bait and trap he hoped to execute. Coeleth had seen the Astarte in system however and reported it to SF fleet command and Tareen Kashaar and I had scrambled to assist in a Megathron class Battleship and Absolution class Command Battlecruiser respectively. This set the scene for the engagement and Coeleth allowed waited to be engaged and prepared to call in support at need. ôAcid Iceö meanwhile had docked and changed his vessel to a Myrmidon class Battlecruiser armed with heavy ECM drones, sporting Gallente specific ECM modules, warp core stabilisers and sensor boosters. This ôbaitö vessel arrived at the gate and engaged CoelethÆs Brutix who immediately returned fire and was jammed and webbed and scrambled and energy-drained and held in place for the CYI Astarte to come and deliver the finishing blow. We of course jumped in and immediately engaged the Astarte with Megathron and Absolution and to our amazement the Myrmidon (who was neutralising and holding our Brutix which was moments away from death) û just ran away. No shots fired in its direction. No locks or electronic warfare. It just fled and abandoned its ally in the Astarte to death. Its electronic warfare capacity would have totally jammed my Megathron and allied Absolutely both and allowed the CYI Astarte to carry the day but instead the utter cowardice of this cringing nationalist dog sold his ally down the river and gave us a full victory without the loss of a ship. Incredible, I genuinely felt sorry for Guiding Star pilot Colera Deldios to suffer such behaviour from a comrade-at-arms. IÆve rarely seen such appalling gutless craven behaviour in my history as a combat pilot. Acid Ice you really take the biscuit! Pride and the fall of nationalist conceit In what may well prove to be the last significant action of the war Team Javelin leader Yarod Cool was reported alongside his follower Kimiko Sato in Vylade System running agents from Dodixie and SF pilot Atandros scrambled a Curse Class Recon Cruiser to intercept with reinforcements from Nemesor (Lachesis) and Tara Armitage (Absolution) waiting close at hand. A trap was laid and Atandros waited for the victim to jump from system to system into his hands. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:17:00 - [5] Meanwhile an interesting discussion was going on in the Intergalactic Summit Channel that Atandros couldnÆt help but become involved in: [ 2007.02.06 18:27:49 ] Irias Salo > Evening all. [ 2007.02.06 18:29:33 ] Yarod Cool > Dr. Salo... How's business? [ 2007.02.06 18:29:44 ] Baian Manji > Evening Salo [ 2007.02.06 18:29:49 ] Baian Manji > Yarod..evening [ 2007.02.06 18:29:59 ] Irias Salo > Business is good, how are things today? [ 2007.02.06 18:30:28 ] Yarod Cool > Fine. Nice and quiet. [ 2007.02.06 18:30:38 ] Irias Salo > Still at war? [ 2007.02.06 18:30:43 ] Yarod Cool > Yep. [ 2007.02.06 18:30:58 ] Ladel Teravada > Third week or some such? [ 2007.02.06 18:31:23 ] Yarod Cool > I have trouble counting. More than that for IU. [ 2007.02.06 18:31:35 ] Helpdesk > Against the Star Fraction? They are damn persistent indeed. [ 2007.02.06 18:31:51 ] Irias Salo > Hm, running low on materials? [ 2007.02.06 18:32:13 ] Yarod Cool > Materials? My corp's industry is pretty much shut down. [ 2007.02.06 18:33:04 ] Irias Salo > hm. [ 2007.02.06 18:33:40 ] Yarod Cool > We still have ships, ammo, and ISK. [ 2007.02.06 18:34:04 ] Irias Salo > Enough to last I hope. [ 2007.02.06 18:34:11 ] Helpdesk > But it's morale that counts. [ 2007.02.06 18:34:13 ] Atandros > But not a shred of guts or confidence. [ 2007.02.06 18:34:20 ] Atandros > Quite, heh. [ 2007.02.06 18:34:52 ] Yarod Cool > Yeah. Morale is not good right now. [ 2007.02.06 18:35:30 ] Darina Rea > Morning all [ 2007.02.06 18:35:42 ] Irias Salo > Evening Ms. Rea. [ 2007.02.06 18:36:14 ] Darina Rea > What's up Doc? [ 2007.02.06 18:36:49 ] Helpdesk > what are the terms for surrender (if given)? [ 2007.02.06 18:37:27 ] Irias Salo > Business, and its good today. [ 2007.02.06 18:37:39 ] Yarod Cool > Something like drop our "willingness to further the Federations interests", publicly admit defeat.... and I forget what the other term was. [ 2007.02.06 18:38:20 ] Yarod Cool > Rescind Pro-Fed statements. [ 2007.02.06 18:38:47 ] Helpdesk > Ugh... and I was just happy with dropping the Federation-support. [ 2007.02.06 18:39:06 ] Irias Salo > Hm. [ 2007.02.06 18:40:04 ] Yarod Cool > I'd have to be beaten pretty badly to take those terms. Proud words indeed, and clearly those of a man who had thoroughly absorbed the tenets of the Wassenar Doctrine but as he chatted and did his missions, our gang was about to fully converge on the right spot to catch him. Just as our reinforcements were arriving Kimiko Sato in a Caracal class Crusier jumped through as a scout and she was quickly scrambled by Nemesor and Tara. Atandros seeking bigger prey jumped immediately back through the gate expecting to find Yarod on the other side and bingo! The Team Javelin CEO was right there in a Raven Class Battleship sitting on top of the gate. Atandros dropped his cloak and attacked immediately and Yarod seemed caught in an agony of indecision, not knowing whether to return fire, call for help, or simply jump through. It seemed like help had arrived though, and a CYI Tempest arrived at 100 klicks from the gate and began to fire upon the Curse ineffectually but by then YarodÆs nerve had already broken and he chose to activate the Stargate to disengage from the Orbiting Curse. Fatal mistake of course and he arrived right into the arms of the waiting Lachesis and Absolution who immediately scrambled his Raven and began to boil away its shields in swift measure right next to the wreckage of his corpmateÆs Caracal and corpse. Atandros was able to follow once his own aggression timer elapsed and joined the slaughter while the remaining CYI Tempest chose discretion as the better part of valour and opted to start running in the opposite direction. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:17:00 - [6] Sadly YarodÆs capsule was able to escape the wreckage of his battleship but as it drifted into warp one couldnÆt help but see the symmetry of CYI itself flying apart û unable to fight back, unwilling to sacrifice effort and equipment for each other, each nationalist militiamen an isolated target with neither support nor camaraderie to ease the burden of their cause. Dissolution and Defeat So this is how nationalist alliances die. Not a glorious last stand or heroic fleet battle or furious siege or ongoing contest of superiority in space. Nothing like that, just a slow bleeding attrition of morale as the orders to avoid combat and hide from enemies become a wearisome burden to sap the spirits and dehumanise the patriots to the imperialist cause. These people joined Cyrene Initiative looking for meaning to fill their empty lives, they hoped for a bold adventure, contest of valour and vision against the stars; they wanted to be the heroes in their own tales of conquest and victory over their rivals and foes. Instead they are ordered to hide, to remain docked. To hope their enemies go away. To hunker down and hope their silhouette cannot be seen by free men and with the courage to stand with their own independence and dreams. Perseverance and ability to withstand pain and suffering are lauded as virtues by this doctrine but it is self deluding, for all that is gained by teaching oneÆs fellows to hide from the conflict is a surfeit of cowards who are good at crawling in the mud. Nobody who has submitted to this form of ôsurvivalö is ever entirely unchanged by the experience and even though some members of CYI will tell themselves they have ôwonö by outlasting aggression and avoiding a conflict with their foes in their heart of hearts they will know the truth. When the test of their commitment and courage came they failed it. And that failure will exist as a shadow in their soul and colour and taint anything they might go on to achieve in the nationalist cause. Doubt will arise. Some will question the nationalist meme. Some will pause for a while and realise their future is elsewhere, that there truly is no place for traditional imperialism on the frontier û that such things deliver neither safety nor power nor satisfaction nor hope itself. Perhaps some of these men will abandon their dreams and return planet-side: others may become bandits and brigands and attempt to submerge the memory of their defeat and humiliation with the deaths of innocents and neutrals. But some, a precious few will realise that everything they knew from their past lives was false, and that if mankind is to have a future on the frontier amidst technological wonder and bold cultural evolution then we need knew dreams û new ideas, and the way we live can have precisely no dependence on the old nationalist structures of our ancient past. Farewell then to the Cyrene Initiative. The mind and heart is dead. The body twitches yet in an electrostatic impulse but there is no intelligence or ambition in its movements and none will mourn its passing. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.10 04:21:00 - [7] Statistically (the war so far): SF has lost 3 Battleships, 5 Battlecruisers, 1 Heavy Assault Cruiser, 7 Cruisers, 6 Interceptors and 6 capsules to CYI action in the war so far. CYI have lost 1 Large Control Tower, 1 Small Control Tower, 15 Battleships, 10 Battlecruisers, 16 Cruisers, 5 Recon Ships, 1 Assault Frigates, 3 Interceptors, 5 Frigates, 1 Transport ship, 3 Industrial ships and 31 capsules to action involving SF forces in the war so far. CYI have suffered a defection rate of about 60% active pilots since the war began. And current activity levels have diminished to about 1/10th of pre-war levels at peak time. The current Star Fraction ôtop gunsö are Selim of Jericho Fraction and Atandros of Tabula Rasa. Special recognition in this period to SF pilots Tareen Kashaar and Celedris who have committed to a wide variety of combat operations and supported the revolution with distinction and valor and will each be receiving an Interceptor class vessel of their choice from the Jericho Fraction shipyards. Star Fraction is recruiting
Nolin Riis Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:47:00 - [8] Your words on antipiracy sound hollow, Ms. Constantine. Your victory over Black Fleet does say a lot, but not the point you are trying to make. Indeed, you have a very well trained, skilled, and organized corporation. I doubt many would dispute that. But what it really shows is your true character. You care only for your own pilots and your allies; everything else is raw meat for the taking. Sure, your group may not by NBSI, but you obviously still do not care about the welfare of others. Turbulent and the like may have been wrecked by your bored, bloodthirsty fleets, but I doubt you even blinked when your friends the Black Rabbits immediately filled their niche for a couple of weeks. To be honest, I have a hard time understanding exactly what motivates you. Do you care about the safety, security, or happiness of civilians? How about neutral capsuleers? Or is this just a bloody campaign to move from region to region and fight every empire sympathizer you can find in hopes that it somehow justifies your philosophy? What is it that separates you from any other pirate organization other than having an intelligent aggression policy? Never a threat, but always a thorn in the side.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Nolin Riis Your words on antipiracy sound hollow, Ms. Constantine. Your victory over Black Fleet does say a lot, but not the point you are trying to make. Indeed, you have a very well trained, skilled, and organized corporation. I doubt many would dispute that. But what it really shows is your true character. You care only for your own pilots and your allies; everything else is raw meat for the taking. Sure, your group may not by NBSI, but you obviously still do not care about the welfare of others. Turbulent and the like may have been wrecked by your bored, bloodthirsty fleets, but I doubt you even blinked when your friends the Black Rabbits immediately filled their niche for a couple of weeks. To be honest, I have a hard time understanding exactly what motivates you. Do you care about the safety, security, or happiness of civilians? How about neutral capsuleers? Or is this just a bloody campaign to move from region to region and fight every empire sympathizer you can find in hopes that it somehow justifies your philosophy? What is it that separates you from any other pirate organization other than having an intelligent aggression policy? this will answer all of those questions Have a nice day. Star Fraction is recruiting
No Beard The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:42:00 - [10] Let me know if you leave any more afk frigates full of fat loot sitting at planets. As for those figures, well I find them somewhat probing.

Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:17:00 - [11] Originally by: No Beard Let me know if you leave any more afk frigates full of fat loot sitting at planets. As for those figures, well I find them somewhat probing. And your involvement with this war that ended more than a month ago is ? Star Fraction is recruiting
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.08 20:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Nolin Riis Your words on antipiracy sound hollow, Ms. Constantine. Your victory over Black Fleet does say a lot, but not the point you are trying to make. Indeed, you have a very well trained, skilled, and organized corporation. I doubt many would dispute that. But what it really shows is your true character. You care only for your own pilots and your allies; everything else is raw meat for the taking. Sure, your group may not by NBSI, but you obviously still do not care about the welfare of others. Turbulent and the like may have been wrecked by your bored, bloodthirsty fleets, but I doubt you even blinked when your friends the Black Rabbits immediately filled their niche for a couple of weeks. To be honest, I have a hard time understanding exactly what motivates you. Do you care about the safety, security, or happiness of civilians? How about neutral capsuleers? Or is this just a bloody campaign to move from region to region and fight every empire sympathizer you can find in hopes that it somehow justifies your philosophy? What is it that separates you from any other pirate organization other than having an intelligent aggression policy? Victory over Black Fleet? What? If you want an honest accounting just ask, who left placid? Was it Black Fleet? No, it was Star Fraction and their buddy buddies the Black Rabbits. Its ironic really, that Star Fraction quotes "killboards" as proof of their success as anti-pirates. The sad truth is that Star Fraction never, ever, ever, came out to fight in gangs less than 20. When they did this, we didn't fight them. At the time we had about 9 or 10 active members. When we DID fight them, they were usually flying with Black Rabbits (a pirate corp) and Sanguine Legion (another pirate corp RIP.) Strange bed fellows for anti-pies, no? So of course, in those circumstances, when we blow up 10 ships and lose 5, but Star Fraction ends up on ALL of our loss mails, and only ONE of our kill mails, the "numbers" are a bit manipulatable. Anyway, I'm not going to stick around this flame bait thread. I just wanted to pop in and say, don't listen to a made up story about our apparently vaunted "defeat." That simply is not what occured. And again, who left Placid first? Was it Black Fleet? Not by a longshot. -Karlemgne
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.08 20:41:00 - [13] Originally by: No Beard Let me know if you leave any more afk frigates full of fat loot sitting at planets. As for those figures, well I find them somewhat probing. No Beard was the one who shot me while in Black Fleet while I was lazy in my Probe frigate with a few probes trying the things out. His skill was surpassed by my laxness and the fact I knew a "Capt NoBeard" and was thinking it was her. By the time I was about to start a conversation with my compatriot I noticed it was not him and ... too late. His reward was some probes and an easy kill. Remember this is Black Fleet. We all remember how much this must have meant to them after testing their skills. After all they only consider real fights when the victim is a hauler and they have a gate camp. They never did engage hardly when they even were in superior numbers. Oh the station hugging they did while employing the Wassener doctrine. Nor did they honor the one on one duel by fleeing their command ship from the scary recon after they knew their ship was about to break down to the little guy. All the fun we had was thanks to No Beard engaging in hostilities with me that fateful day. So yes he is asking when we can accommodate him again. He is in a new corp finally leaving the ill fated Black Fleet. But I assume we are neutral, as our standings with everyone start, with his new corp until I check his standings later. Black Fleet lost countless ships and a freighter. I think it was worth the frigate. Care to trade again? ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.08 20:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Nolin Riis Your words on antipiracy sound hollow, Ms. Constantine. Your victory over Black Fleet does say a lot, but not the point you are trying to make. Indeed, you have a very well trained, skilled, and organized corporation. I doubt many would dispute that. But what it really shows is your true character. You care only for your own pilots and your allies; everything else is raw meat for the taking. Sure, your group may not by NBSI, but you obviously still do not care about the welfare of others. Turbulent and the like may have been wrecked by your bored, bloodthirsty fleets, but I doubt you even blinked when your friends the Black Rabbits immediately filled their niche for a couple of weeks. To be honest, I have a hard time understanding exactly what motivates you. Do you care about the safety, security, or happiness of civilians? How about neutral capsuleers? Or is this just a bloody campaign to move from region to region and fight every empire sympathizer you can find in hopes that it somehow justifies your philosophy? What is it that separates you from any other pirate organization other than having an intelligent aggression policy? Victory over Black Fleet? What? If you want an honest accounting just ask, who left placid? Was it Black Fleet? No, it was Star Fraction and their buddy buddies the Black Rabbits. Its ironic really, that Star Fraction quotes "killboards" as proof of their success as anti-pirates. The sad truth is that Star Fraction never, ever, ever, came out to fight in gangs less than 20. When they did this, we didn't fight them. At the time we had about 9 or 10 active members. When we DID fight them, they were usually flying with Black Rabbits (a pirate corp) and Sanguine Legion (another pirate corp RIP.) Strange bed fellows for anti-pies, no? So of course, in those circumstances, when we blow up 10 ships and lose 5, but Star Fraction ends up on ALL of our loss mails, and only ONE of our kill mails, the "numbers" are a bit manipulatable. Anyway, I'm not going to stick around this flame bait thread. I just wanted to pop in and say, don't listen to a made up story about our apparently vaunted "defeat." That simply is not what occured. And again, who left Placid first? Was it Black Fleet? Not by a longshot. -Karlemgne Black Fleet have the worst combat ratio of any entity on our campaign board. And thats not counting the kill confirmations "lost in the shuffle" when gate guns claimed the final blows on your vessels. As "pirates" you were an embarrassment. Was our pleasure to keep you docked in stations wearing novelty hats with stuffed parrots on top. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Karlemgne Victory over Black Fleet? Yes, informally since their was no war declaration involved but easily seen with the results and effects. Originally by: Karlemgne What? If you want an honest accounting just ask, who left placid? Was it Black Fleet? No, it was Star Fraction and their buddy buddies the Black Rabbits. Let The Black Rabbits speak for themselves. But you did not make us leave Placid by complaining to us from inside stations. We were on holiday in another area. Originally by: Karlemgne Its ironic really, that Star Fraction quotes "killboards" as proof of their success as anti-pirates. The sad truth is that Star Fraction never, ever, ever, came out to fight in gangs less than 20. When they did this, we didn't fight them. At the time we had about 9 or 10 active members. When we DID fight them, they were usually flying with Black Rabbits (a pirate corp) and Sanguine Legion (another pirate corp RIP.) Strange bed fellows for anti-pies, no? Every engagement I was in when encountering you was with our corp only. If I checked the records I bet I would find negligible if ANY marks of other corporations involved. Your "no less than 20" is an outright LIE. We may have done that once but I doubt even that as your band didn't even merit that. We were in an active war with a purpose. I found your alliance more as carnival fun in downtime. My friends came with less and less but one Merlin would make you all dock and hide forever. Pirates never have much to argue about when it come to numbers. These straw arguements are used over and over again. When they can set up gate camps in low sec it's perfectly fine. But when people hunt them they complain. Like the time one of your members cried in 0.0 when we ran into him alone and begged us to leave him alone so he could hunt the local non-capsuleer pirates in peace. Or was he mining? It's all a matter of convenience for you when your predator and crying when your're the victim Originally by: Karlemgne So of course, in those circumstances, when we blow up 10 ships and lose 5, but Star Fraction ends up on ALL of our loss mails, and only ONE of our kill mails, the "numbers" are a bit manipulatable. Anyway, I'm not going to stick around this flame bait thread. I just wanted to pop in and say, don't listen to a made up story about our apparently vaunted "defeat." That simply is not what occured. And again, who left Placid first? Was it Black Fleet? Not by a longshot. -Karlemgne I know you are a little pirate group and need to feel important by putting your wil on neutral shipping and any folk passing through. I know you need to make it seem like your little group resisted the great Star Fraction, but it didn't. The statistics are ridiculous in how lopsided they are against you. I think there might be a problem with your last clone as you seem to be seeing things that are not there. Check up on that Karlemgne. ---------------------------------- An informal Star Fraction FAQ \| ----------------------------------
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.09 00:08:00 - [16] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 09/03/2007 00:10:43 Black Fleet are entertainment, hardly worth a campaign to begin with.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:10:00 - [17] We're not "anti pie" either. You were shot purely because you shot us. We keep company with the rabbits because they haven't shot us. It really is that simple. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Karlemgne Victory over Black Fleet? What? If you want an honest accounting just ask, who left placid? Was it Black Fleet? No, it was Star Fraction and their buddy buddies the Black Rabbits. Yes, when people are taking a short vacation, taking few of their assets and only some of their ships, to support another corporation in a short lived war, those same people are then likely to leave once their mission is accomplished. Black Fleet was a side show, worthy of little real attention and not worth sticking around to fight when we'd rather return to our home and continue where we left off before our vacation. Still you put up a performance which is shown quite clearly by the numbers available here and I will let our fellow pilots make what they will of it. Quote: And again, who left Placid first? Was it Black Fleet? Not by a longshot. Again I find it funny you base your victory condition against someone taking a vacation as 'they left.' No really? When I visit my home of Intaki; I don't stay, I visit. ---
Takakura Hirohito	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:09:00 - [19] Quote: When we DID fight them, they were usually flying with Black Rabbits (a pirate corp) and Sanguine Legion (another pirate corp RIP.) Strange bed fellows for anti-pies, no? Someone who flies with pirates is a pirate after all if they weren't allies the pirates would be shooting them since thats what pirates do. I think they should just admit they're pirates and get it over with instead of dancing around the facts claiming they don't consider anyone who doesn't shoot at them a pirate. Takakura
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:03:00 - [20] Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 09/03/2007 16:03:51 Regarding Black Fleet being horribly blobbed and us always having assistance by Rabbits for the kills... Kills on Black Fleet with only Star Fraction on the killer list: 20 Kills on Black Fleet with allied assistance on the killer list: 2 Kills on Black Fleet with unknowns/neutrals on the killer list: 3 Kills on Black Fleet with Black Fleet on the killer list: 3 And finally, out of the 20 non-assisted kills, 12 were one versus one fights with a single Star Fraction pilot laying up the kill. (Capsules and such not represented in this account.) Edit: To put it like this, Black Fleet themselves assisted more of our Black Fleet kills than the horde of allies did, and a majority of our kills were solo action. Don't talk bull if you don't have the numbers.

Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.09 17:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Takakura Hirohito Quote: When we DID fight them, they were usually flying with Black Rabbits (a pirate corp) and Sanguine Legion (another pirate corp RIP.) Strange bed fellows for anti-pies, no? Someone who flies with pirates is a pirate after all if they weren't allies the pirates would be shooting them since thats what pirates do. I think they should just admit they're pirates and get it over with instead of dancing around the facts claiming they don't consider anyone who doesn't shoot at them a pirate. Takakura and I think you should step from behind you cover and take responsibility for your comments. ...and maybe put some thought into them too. Mindless mud slinging is just childish. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.03.09 20:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 09/03/2007 16:03:51 Regarding Black Fleet being horribly blobbed and us always having assistance by Rabbits for the kills... Kills on Black Fleet with only Star Fraction on the killer list: 20 Kills on Black Fleet with allied assistance on the killer list: 2 Kills on Black Fleet with unknowns/neutrals on the killer list: 3 Kills on Black Fleet with Black Fleet on the killer list: 3 And finally, out of the 20 non-assisted kills, 12 were one versus one fights with a single Star Fraction pilot laying up the kill. (Capsules and such not represented in this account.) Edit: To put it like this, Black Fleet themselves assisted more of our Black Fleet kills than the horde of allies did, and a majority of our kills were solo action. Don't talk bull if you don't have the numbers. Congratulations, you hit the weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE. ... On a serious note, congratulations in your endovers, I know little of the Star Fraction but they definitely seem to be a well formed and powerful corp. If you ever see the Cherry Blossom, my Myrmidon, floatin in space feel free to board. Free champaign and what not.
Ahanu Gaho	Posted - 2007.03.09 21:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Ikasu I know little of the Star Fraction... Obviously. As a member of Durandal you should be aware that Star Fraction is openly hostile towards the Federation. While not directly in conflict with them I doubt the Durandal leadership would be contratulating them on anything.
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.03.09 21:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Ahanu Gaho Originally by: Ikasu I know little of the Star Fraction... Obviously. As a member of Durandal you should be aware that Star Fraction is openly hostile towards the Federation. While not directly in conflict with them I doubt the Durandal leadership would be contratulating them on anything. Well, I didn't know that. Even so, however, it's only gentlmanly to offer congrats on such a win. Though I'm afraid i'll have to retract my invitation for a drink.
Kin Oreyn	Posted - 2007.03.09 22:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Ikasu Well, I didn't know that. Even so, however, it's only gentlemanly to offer congrats on such a win. Though I'm afraid I'll have to retract my invitation for a drink. Although your offer was made out of ignorance I have a feeling a member of Star Fraction may have taken you up on that. If for no other reason than to drink your champagne and convince you of your folly in willingly supporting the very system that enslaves you. It is my thinking that dinner parties and drinks are not to be dishonored by violence so long as the invitation is made in good faith, but then again I am neither a spokesman nor current member of the Fraction and should not presume to comment in their place. They may be revolutionaries and terrorists, but most free captains I've met are really quite civil in good company. A very fine job Star Fraction. Best wishes in your continuing endeavors. -KO
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.03.09 22:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Kin Oreyn Originally by: Ikasu Well, I didn't know that. Even so, however, it's only gentlemanly to offer congrats on such a win. Though I'm afraid I'll have to retract my invitation for a drink. Although your offer was made out of ignorance I have a feeling a member of Star Fraction may have taken you up on that. If for no other reason than to drink your champagne and convince you of your folly in willingly supporting the very system that enslaves you. It is my thinking that dinner parties and drinks are not to be dishonored by violence so long as the invitation is made in good faith, but then again I am neither a spokesman nor current member of the Fraction and should not presume to comment in their place. They may be revolutionaries and terrorists, but most free captains I've met are really quite civil in good company. A very fine job Star Fraction. Best wishes in your continuing endeavors. I would have no problem opening up talks with the Star Fraction. While I doubt either sound would be able to change eithers mind, it'd give me something to do. None the less, such talks would be better taken over comms, it seems counter intuitive to invite enemies of the federation into federation space. Besides, when face to face I tend to be a tad more light hearted and free speaking then over comms, probably not the best for a debate.
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.10 19:59:00 - [27] Ikasu, If you want to talk, hook me up sometime.
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.03.11 08:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Ikasu, If you want to talk, hook me up sometime. Hook you up? Are you hitting on me? Err, well on a more serious note, sure, send me an Eve mail any time and i'll drop you a response. Even if we are, supposibly, on opposing forces I see no reason we can't converse while the cosmo is calm between us. Or, some generic cool phrase like that.
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.11 09:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Ikasu Hook you up? Are you hitting on me? Sorry, I only date my fleet commanders and top killers.
Ikasu Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.03.11 20:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Originally by: Ikasu Hook you up? Are you hitting on me? Sorry, I only date my fleet commanders and top killers. Damn, well, can't blame a guy for trying. I'll send you a message through the evemail system, respond if you wish to get in contact.

Kramerite Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.03.12 00:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko http://www.damordred.com/images/gunboat2 I was wondering who Gunboat Diplomacy were on the new Eve Influence Map. Turns out that the Star Fraction are BoB Pets? Interesting.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.03.12 01:29:00 - [32] I think the sig refers to the term "Gunboat Diplomacy". There is also a corp of that name that has nothing to do with Star Fraction, if memory serves me aright. -Eva- Re-Awakened Technologies Inc is recruiting - join channel RTI-IC for detail
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.03.12 02:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Kramerite Originally by: Tatsue Nuko http://www.damordred.com/images/gunboat2 I was wondering who Gunboat Diplomacy were on the new Eve Influence Map. Turns out that the Star Fraction are BoB Pets? Interesting. The most bizarre logic I've seen in a while.
Jonny Damordred Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.12 02:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Kramerite Turns out that the Star Fraction are BoB Pets? Interesting. The sigs are older than the alliance, and have nothing to do with it. Cheers, Jonny D. -----
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.03.12 17:46:00 - [35] Originally by: Evanda Char I think the sig refers to the term "Gunboat Diplomacy". There is also a corp of that name that has nothing to do with Star Fraction, if memory serves me aright. Indeed. In most cases I prefer the simple kind of diplomacy where you either agree to play nice with me, or agree to play rough. Given, in some cases I do prefer it the rough way.
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.12 17:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Given, in some cases I do prefer it the rough way. Meow? ---------------- Wren Says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT"


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