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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.03.27 20:58:26 -
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Fred Kyong wrote: No, you dont get it. Let the gankers be there. I still moved through the system several times without problems. They can-¦t be everywhere. Thats the game. I also stated somewhere else that it is a cool idea what they are trying to do there.
Just the method WHERE and HOW they do it.... is coward. I can deal with the fact but some other players just wont like it. Sorry, you guys just can-¦t do better.
Er, no Fred, wrong again.
You said quite clearly that Highsec should be 'safe'. It's difficult to reconcile that statement with your later one, apparently embracing the gankers and inviting them to share in your travels. Difficult to impossible, that is.
Look, you're coming over as quite disorganised in your thoughts. I don't think it's a problem of the language, although I do accept that having the Forums in English might disadvantage some posters.
Help us here; retire for a while and get your story straight. Your boasting about the 15 billion Isk you earned smacks somewhat of immaturity.
Tread warily in C&P; we take no prisoners here.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26087
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Posted - 2016.03.27 21:03:33 -
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Fred Kyong wrote:Fact is, highsec should be safe. That's your opinion, not a fact.
The fact of the matter is that CCP disagree with you, being the architects of Eve their word carries infinitely more weight than yours and can be regarded as fact.
HTFU, or GTFO.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
19
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Posted - 2016.03.27 21:21:40 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Fact is, highsec should be safe. That's your opinion, not a fact. The fact of the matter is that CCP disagree with you, being the architects of Eve their word carries infinitely more weight than yours and can be regarded as fact. HTFU, or GTFO.
You are right and I was writing this already. Maybe you get back some posts:
1) CCP has the right to make the rules 2) Members have the right to pull their memberships
In the end, no one cares :)
Cheers |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2407
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Posted - 2016.03.27 21:41:52 -
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Your tears are amazing Fred! Are you interested in a mining permit? Look, it is very simple, you hauled illegal stuff unpermited trough our territory. You should not be surprized your ship exploded.
I know you think it is really clever to cry to CCP for help. In fact it's almost the same if you would cry to Hasbro if you lose at Monopoly. The real way to go is obviously to get better at EVE. The wrong way would be to cry more on the forums and show anyone how bad you are at the game.
P.S. where was anti-ganking?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26089
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Posted - 2016.03.27 21:57:32 -
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Fred Kyong wrote:1) CCP has the right to make the rules Indeed, it's their universe and their rules.
Quote:2) Members do have the right to pull their memberships Nobody is saying otherwise, judging by dev comments in the past CCP are fine with people, who don't like the game that they've produced, doing so.
Quote:In the end, no one cares :)
Cheers Apparently you do, otherwise you wouldn't be posting in this thread.
If you don't like the product you are paying for, why do you keep paying for it?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11448
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Posted - 2016.03.27 21:58:17 -
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Fred Kyong wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Fact is, highsec should be safe. That's your opinion, not a fact. The fact of the matter is that CCP disagree with you, being the architects of Eve their word carries infinitely more weight than yours and can be regarded as fact. HTFU, or GTFO. You are right and I was writing this already. Maybe you get back some posts: 1) CCP has the right to make the rules 2) Members do have the right to pull their memberships In the end, no one cares :) Cheers
Translation: I lose but I don't know how to extricate myself now that I'm balls deep in public opinion ****
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
140
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Posted - 2016.03.27 22:00:46 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Fact is, highsec should be safe. That's your opinion, not a fact. The fact of the matter is that CCP disagree with you, being the architects of Eve their word carries infinitely more weight than yours and can be regarded as fact. HTFU, or GTFO. You are right and I was writing this already. Maybe you get back some posts: 1) CCP has the right to make the rules 2) Members do have the right to pull their memberships In the end, no one cares :) Cheers Translation: I lose but I don't know how to extricate myself now that I'm balls deep in public opinion **** I have an excavator for hire, Fred can contact me for a quote.
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
20
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Posted - 2016.03.27 23:13:34 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Quote:Well you know, the difference between you and me is, that I write about alternatives. It-¦s not about me cause most of the years I played in Eve I did live in a WH. So I could care less about Highsec. I could care less means that you do care, at least a little bit; learn to English, the correct saying is "I couldn't care less". Well, to start/follow a discussion there is no reason to get personal. I think it is just netiquette in every public forum. You learn more as one language to speak or write and we can go from here :) I know some people are not very gifted doing so :) So I will overlook your comments about it in the future. Nothing personal, I just hate to see people murdering my native tongue. I speak several languages, albeit badly, and am always happy to accept corrections from native speakers, you should try the same. "I could care less" is poor grammar, a somewhat controversial american idiom and an oxymoron all rolled in to one.
-off topic on
YOUR native tounge? :)
English is not YOUR language, Americans just borrowed it :) You do not even have a own language.
Other than that what could you have learned? 2 sentence of Spanish and French in HS when you ever made it there.. Thats all :) Dont tell us stuff and stay on topic and geet culture first :)
Fly safe. -off topic off |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26091
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Posted - 2016.03.27 23:27:42 -
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Fred Kyong wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nothing personal, I just hate to see people murdering my native tongue. I speak several languages, albeit badly, and am always happy to accept corrections from native speakers, you should try the same.
"I could care less" is poor grammar, a somewhat controversial american idiom and an oxymoron all rolled in to one. -off topic on YOUR native tounge? :) English is not YOUR language, Americans just borrowed it :) You do not even have a own language. Assumptions make you look stupid; I am British, not American; ergo English is my native tongue.
Quote:Other than that what could you have learned? 2 sentence of Spanish or French in HS when you ever made it there. Thats all :) Dont tell us stuff; stay on topic and get culture first :) I've lived all over Europe, both as a child and an adult, 12 years in Germany alone. I speak French, Spanish and German well enough to get by in those respective countries.
The only thing that you're achieving is to make yourself look like an immature fool.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
20
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Posted - 2016.03.27 23:29:23 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nothing personal, I just hate to see people murdering my native tongue. I speak several languages, albeit badly, and am always happy to accept corrections from native speakers, you should try the same.
"I could care less" is poor grammar, a somewhat controversial american idiom and an oxymoron all rolled in to one. -off topic on YOUR native tounge? :) English is not YOUR language, Americans just borrowed it :) You do not even have a own language. Assumptions make you look stupid; I am British, not American; ergo English is my native tongue. Quote:Other than that what could you have learned? 2 sentence of Spanish or French in HS when you ever made it there. Thats all :) Dont tell us stuff; stay on topic and get culture first :) I've lived all over Europe, both as a child and an adult, 12 years in Germany alone. I speak French, Spanish and German well enough to get by in those respective countries. The only thing that you're achieving is to make yourself look like an immature fool.
Nothing personal. You are ok |
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Dom Arkaral
Gate Is Red Complaints Department
229
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Posted - 2016.03.28 00:44:25 -
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Fred Kyong wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nothing personal, I just hate to see people murdering my native tongue. I speak several languages, albeit badly, and am always happy to accept corrections from native speakers, you should try the same.
"I could care less" is poor grammar, a somewhat controversial american idiom and an oxymoron all rolled in to one. -off topic on YOUR native tounge? :) English is not YOUR language, Americans just borrowed it :) You do not even have a own language. Assumptions make you look stupid; I am British, not American; ergo English is my native tongue. Quote:Other than that what could you have learned? 2 sentence of Spanish or French in HS when you ever made it there. Thats all :) Dont tell us stuff; stay on topic and get culture first :) I've lived all over Europe, both as a child and an adult, 12 years in Germany alone. I speak French, Spanish and German well enough to get by in those respective countries. The only thing that you're achieving is to make yourself look like an immature fool. Nothing personal. You are ok stop arguing, you get DEMOLISHED each time and try to avoid our counters to your "suggestions" make yourself a favor and just leave C&P forever
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker
I have no Honer (truly)
Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche!
Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV
Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
20
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Posted - 2016.03.28 01:22:17 -
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You wish. Interesting reads in here :) |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11457
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Posted - 2016.03.28 10:35:21 -
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Fred Kyong wrote: Nothing personal. You are ok
Translation: "HALP the **** is now flooding my air holes"
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
265
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Posted - 2016.03.29 12:41:37 -
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Sabotaged wrote:A Macherial should not be allowed to hold you hostage indefinitely without absolutely no risk whatsoever to said Macherial. To me this is the very definition of exploit.
They are risking getting a faction battleship ganked (which has happened, btw), and it's not an exploit, no matter how many times you say it. |
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
458
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Posted - 2016.03.30 19:52:53 -
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Its amazing that even after four years we have the same arguments going on here in the Forums about the New Order of Highsec. The same complaints that always boil down to "Someone who knows how to play this game defeated someone who did not". The same claims of helplessness of the victims, cowardice of the Agents and Ignorance of CCP about the effect New Order activities was having on player retention.
It's pointless to argue about what the New Order wants. Its is, and has always been, perfectly clear and available for anyone to read and understand. Just go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code.
We require every highsec miner, freighter pilot, incursion runner, mission runner, explorer, hauler, PvE'er of any kind to buy a mining permit and follow the Code.
That's it. Just do that and you will have no problems with us.
For some reason, players don't do this one simple thing. And so there are consequences. Now sure, some people are ignorant about the Code and lose ships and pods. That's understandable the first time. After that, they know what to do. Its pointless to complain about bumping Marcherials or what CONCORD does or how profitable it is to gank a ship or what lowsec is for. Those things don't matter. They are of no consequence. If a person has a mining permit and follows the Code he isn't affected by it.
In EVERY case, the people complaining here know they need permits. They know they will lose ships for not having one (because they have). They know what the New Order will do if they continue to not follow the Code.
Frankly, they are kinda dim bulbs if you ask me. 10 million ISK for something that will protect their ship from the most effective, dangerous and active threat they face in highsec seems like a great bargain. Its just dumb to not buy a permit and pledge your support of James 315 and the New Order. But like in real life, stupidity is punished by the death penalty. Without debate, without remorse, and often, without delay.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
190
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Posted - 2016.04.02 21:18:26 -
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The real question here is: What is a Macherial? New solar system discovered somewhere? It sure sounds tasty, though!
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
49
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Posted - 2016.04.02 22:13:10 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:... It's pointless to argue about what the New Order wants. It is, and has always been, perfectly clear and available for anyone to read and understand. Just go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. We require every highsec miner, freighter pilot, incursion runner, mission runner, explorer, hauler, PvE'er of any kind to buy a mining permit and follow the Code...
lol. There is a difference between what YOU WANT and what you get :)
They are just bots hiding behind NPC alts and not able to survive in low or 0.0 |
Dom Arkaral
Gate Is Red Complaints Department
247
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Posted - 2016.04.02 22:47:36 -
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Fred Kyong wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote:... It's pointless to argue about what the New Order wants. It is, and has always been, perfectly clear and available for anyone to read and understand. Just go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. We require every highsec miner, freighter pilot, incursion runner, mission runner, explorer, hauler, PvE'er of any kind to buy a mining permit and follow the Code... Bumpers are just bots uhmmm nope I can confirm bumpers are players. I confirm they're better than you. I confirm they make more than your "20 bill a week from CODE"
lol
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker
I have no Honer (truly)
Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche!
Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV
Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
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Mobadder Thworst
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
964
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Posted - 2016.04.03 02:39:42 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote:... It's pointless to argue about what the New Order wants. It is, and has always been, perfectly clear and available for anyone to read and understand. Just go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. We require every highsec miner, freighter pilot, incursion runner, mission runner, explorer, hauler, PvE'er of any kind to buy a mining permit and follow the Code... Bumpers are just bots uhmmm nope I can confirm bumpers are players. I confirm they're better than you. I confirm they make more than your "20 bill a week from CODE" lol
Can you confirm if it is, truly, their milkshake that brings all the boys to the yard?
Also, do they teach for free? |
Dom Arkaral
Gate Is Red Complaints Department
251
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Posted - 2016.04.03 05:03:39 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Fred Kyong wrote:Bing Bangboom wrote:... It's pointless to argue about what the New Order wants. It is, and has always been, perfectly clear and available for anyone to read and understand. Just go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. We require every highsec miner, freighter pilot, incursion runner, mission runner, explorer, hauler, PvE'er of any kind to buy a mining permit and follow the Code... Bumpers are just bots uhmmm nope I can confirm bumpers are players. I confirm they're better than you. I confirm they make more than your "20 bill a week from CODE" lol Can you confirm if it is, truly, their milkshake that brings all the boys to the yard? Also, do they teach for free? they can probably teach you, yeah
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker
I have no Honer (truly)
Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche!
Salt Harvesting Level CCCXV
Save me from myself. #broadcast4reps when you're in need o7
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
300
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Posted - 2016.04.04 13:20:24 -
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Nofear Alt wrote:I wouldn't want any actions from the C&P bully brigade to reflect on my corp mates
Your corp can't handle wardecs/bad people? I would hope you guys are straight up about that when recruiting, but you're probably not.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
791
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Posted - 2016.04.09 00:35:20 -
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Sabotaged wrote:StonerPhReaK wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/ First day flying a freighter. unsubbed. Dont delete the game just yet. Share your stuff with someone that has the ability to roll with the punches and laugh with those laughing at them. Holeysheet1 will take any donations you are willing to put fourth. He may be fixing his pc or unable to find an exit from his wormhole he was evicted from but trust me. Eventually he will use whatever you can give. My intention isn't to quit. But I think it warrants further discussion. Eve is a Harsh Mistress. I lost a 2 billion navy raven in hisec during a wardec because wardec corp used an alt to scan me down. They warped in and grabbed before I could figure out was going on. It was an expensive lesson. Basically I've learned is don't fly anything bigger than a cruiser, maybe battlecruiser, anything bigger and you will lose it. The way I see it, the billion loss is 25 to 50 hours of work gone in pretty much an instant because game mechanics are designed that way. As far as I'm concerned a Macherial should not be able to push you 100km off the gate when your at the keyboard being unable to align to anything. Coupled with Socket errors and Launcher problems only exacerbate the issue. A game shouldn't make you angry. It's not like playing The Division or Destiny, but this game is stressful. Trying to expand and become bigger seems to be futile. Better to just train a single ship mastery to five rather than jack of all trades seems to be the play style.
Being able to tackle someone in high sec without acquiring even a suspect tag is nonsense. It's an aggression free warp disruptor.
That being said, it's currently legal. If you are flying a 7B ISK ship you should be aware of these tactics and the places they are most commonly employed. I don't fly freighters and I know about gankers SOP and the ever present bumping Machs in places like Uedama. This game does not cater to the ill-informed.
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Smegatron Achasse
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
26
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Posted - 2016.04.09 01:19:22 -
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Theres a harsh learning curve to Eve only if you desire not to learn.
Reading your map... really, knowing how to use your map is a good idea.
I had a list of tips and ideas to help but changed my mind. You are better off in a different sort of game. Angry Birds maybe
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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
49
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Posted - 2016.04.09 11:33:01 -
[144] - Quote
Smegatron Achasse wrote: Theres a harsh learning curve to Eve only if you desire not to learn.
Reading your map... really, knowing how to use your map is a good idea.
I had a list of tips and ideas to help but changed my mind. You are better off in a different sort of game. Angry Birds maybe
Ponyfarm would be good for gankers. Fits their attitude, like kids :) I not recommend WoW cause I think they came from there. |
Giaus Felix
Hedion University Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2016.04.09 12:36:39 -
[145] - Quote
Fred Kyong wrote:Smegatron Achasse wrote: Theres a harsh learning curve to Eve only if you desire not to learn.
Reading your map... really, knowing how to use your map is a good idea.
I had a list of tips and ideas to help but changed my mind. You are better off in a different sort of game. Angry Birds maybe
Ponyfarm would be good for gankers. Fits their attitude, like kids :) I not recommend WoW cause I think they came from there. If you consider the attitude of gankers to be that of a child, what do you consider the attitude of gankees to be?
Enquiring minds wish to know.
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Fiddly Pop
The Conference Elite CODE.
31
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Posted - 2016.04.11 05:12:31 -
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Fiddly Pop wrote: I think i have a screen shot of you blowing up, I'll send it when i get home from work.
xoxoxo
sorry it took so long to post these, forgot about them
Selene Sabia's freighter
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2016.04.11 06:00:47 -
[147] - Quote
Fiddly Pop wrote:Fiddly Pop wrote: I think i have a screen shot of you blowing up, I'll send it when i get home from work.
xoxoxo
sorry it took so long to post these, forgot about them Selene Sabia's freighter
Thanks Fiddly; gorgeous stuff!
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
222
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Posted - 2016.04.12 13:42:44 -
[148] - Quote
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Sabotaged wrote:StonerPhReaK wrote:Sabotaged wrote:Macherial Bumped. Couldn't align to get off even with a webber or get back to the gate. Windows became stuck, may have been a stuck key. Game crashed ie Socket Error and launcher refused to launch client again until after restarting launcher. Watched through my webber who was not disconnected as my charon did not warp off and popped before I could even log back in. https://zkillboard.com/kill/52674500/ First day flying a freighter. unsubbed. Dont delete the game just yet. Share your stuff with someone that has the ability to roll with the punches and laugh with those laughing at them. Holeysheet1 will take any donations you are willing to put fourth. He may be fixing his pc or unable to find an exit from his wormhole he was evicted from but trust me. Eventually he will use whatever you can give. My intention isn't to quit. But I think it warrants further discussion. Eve is a Harsh Mistress. I lost a 2 billion navy raven in hisec during a wardec because wardec corp used an alt to scan me down. They warped in and grabbed before I could figure out was going on. It was an expensive lesson. Basically I've learned is don't fly anything bigger than a cruiser, maybe battlecruiser, anything bigger and you will lose it. The way I see it, the billion loss is 25 to 50 hours of work gone in pretty much an instant because game mechanics are designed that way. As far as I'm concerned a Macherial should not be able to push you 100km off the gate when your at the keyboard being unable to align to anything. Coupled with Socket errors and Launcher problems only exacerbate the issue. A game shouldn't make you angry. It's not like playing The Division or Destiny, but this game is stressful. Trying to expand and become bigger seems to be futile. Better to just train a single ship mastery to five rather than jack of all trades seems to be the play style. Being able to tackle someone in high sec without acquiring even a suspect tag is nonsense. It's an aggression free warp disruptor.
Only if youre flying a large ship, and i think thats the point.
Eve isnt a single player game, and if youve put the investment into flying a large ship that costs billions of isk, then you should put some investment into defending that ship as well.
Large expensive ships and shipments should have support. Especially if you know youre travelling through a dangerous area. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1940
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Posted - 2016.04.12 14:05:03 -
[149] - Quote
I think there should be a capital size rig for freighters only. It would be called the superball rig.
If a ship bumps your freighter with the rig equipped - any impact would accelerate your ship in accordance with a force 600 times the impact of the bumper. The 600 could be scaled for balance.
The rig would be non functional inside HS and LS docking rings.
You could do some pretty special things with such a rig! |
Dom Arkaral
Axios
282
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Posted - 2016.04.12 14:21:03 -
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I remember a discussion yesterday about how AG wanted to add damage to ship collisions (freighters would damage bumpers and whatnot) Then one of the guys said: "I can fly freighters on 8 of my alts" And then we talked about how we could murder everything on the jita undock with a freighter spam
All this to say that: AG have great ideas sometimes, but they don't see that their "ganking nerfs" actually give us more ways to obliterate everything In french, we say "c'est un couteau +á double tranchant" (idk what the translation is)
Not getting ganked is easy, if you take precautions. Those who died were too stupid to take a couple of minutes to plan their trip, just to save a couple of minutes or whatnot. Don't blame gankers or CCP if you didn't use all the available tools to survive.
D.
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r
Be the broken or the breaker
Be the giver or the undertaker
Unlock and open the door
Be the healer or the faker
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