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Ligraph
Metallurgy Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.03.20 05:51:46 -
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As the title states, I've been looking into ways to earn (large amounts) of isk, but haven't really been able to find consistant isk/hour numbers. I'm looking for numbers for:
- L5 missions in a carrier.
- Nullsec ratting. Drone space if it matters much. Preferably afk. Subcap, but any reasonably cheap ship would work (< a bil).
- Carrier ratting.
- C5s solo, no escalation.
- C5s solo, one escalation. Probably in a carrier.
- C3s solo.
Also, risk assessment would be appreciated!
Since carriers are getting changed with the Citadel patch, I assume that it will affect isk/hour positively? Seems like a buff to non-sentry builds.
Also, how viable is running c5 sites solo. I've heard of people who do it, but it seems very risky. And it means I probably need to dual/box for hole closing and scouting.
Would a carrier or dread or marauder be better (after citadels)?
Overall, I'm looking at nullsec ratting or L5 missions as a steady source of income, with relatively low risk. I know next to nothing about the L5 missions so any info is appreciated.
C3 wormholes would be a middle ground, probably with a salvage alt and a Tengu. Maybe something bigger.
C5 wormholes would be either when I have isk to lose or a small fleet. Would it be better/cheaper to bring a bunch of alts instead of a carrier?
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
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Posted - 2016.03.20 06:48:40 -
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Ligraph wrote: Preferably afk
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.03.20 09:03:05 -
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Ligraph wrote: Preferably afk
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2016.03.20 11:08:31 -
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If you need a steady income to provide for a pvp char, just go play the market at one of the major trading hubs in highsec. Possibly with some industry close to the tradehub. You'll only need to be active once every, say hour. The risk is low and the income depends on how much isk you put into it.
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Ligraph
Metallurgy Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.03.20 18:19:07 -
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Trevor Dalech wrote:Ligraph wrote: Preferably afk Adds to watchlist... ah crap....
Let me rephrase that: semi-afk. Like having eve open so I can watch Local, but not actively doing anything. It would also be in held space.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2016.03.20 18:29:58 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote:If you need a steady income to provide for a pvp char, just go play the market at one of the major trading hubs in highsec. Possibly with some industry close to the tradehub. You'll only need to be active once every, say hour. The risk is low and the income depends on how much isk you put into it. I assume you are joking; or maybe simply do not know what you are talking about.
Market PvP is probably one of the riskiest activities (you can lose billions by investing in the wrong items).
Manufacturing on the other hand takes a lot of planning (and spreadsheets) and you will probably be scraping together less than what you can make by mission running unless you make it to being one of the few industry tycoons in the game.
Incursions or something wormhole related is probably the best ISK/hour for the majority of people.
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Salt Foambreaker
Greedy Pirates
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Posted - 2016.03.20 18:36:05 -
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Ligraph wrote:...Preferably afk....Also, risk assessment would be appreciated!...
I can send you the name a very low risk system I know |
Payne Dakara
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.20 20:32:55 -
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Multi-boxing with several accounts in null sec ratting is the highest steady and predictable income with relatively low risk. about 70kk ISK\h per account All you need is T2 cruisers and drones.
WH C5 in a carrier can net you about 300kk ISK per site and about 500kk with escalation but you will attract attention from some gentlemen's that are eager to deliver large shipments of torpedoes in to your wormhole and this way cutting your income as you have to pay for the delivery.
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Ligraph
Metallurgy Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.03.20 22:35:43 -
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Payne Dakara wrote:Multi-boxing with several accounts in null sec ratting is the highest steady and predictable income with relatively low risk. about 70kk ISK\h per account All you need is T2 cruisers and drones.
WH C5 in a carrier can net you about 300kk ISK per site and about 500kk with escalation but you will attract attention from some gentlemen's that are eager to deliver large shipments of torpedoes in to your wormhole and this way cutting your income as you have to pay for the delivery.
That's what I've been thinking. For ratting, it seems like the Vexor Navy Issue is as good or better than the Ishtar, or I could be fitting the Ishtar entirely wrong.
About WHs, I would probably do it in c5s with 2 accounts in carriers and a third in a scout/wormhole roller. I would use the 2rd account to scout the WH, then switch into a rolling ship, close everything I could and have the scout sit on any I couldn't. Viable?
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
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Posted - 2016.03.21 01:49:21 -
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Payne Dakara wrote:about 70kk ISK\h
What does kk stands for? Millions? And if so. How??
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Ishmael Clark
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.21 02:08:23 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:Payne Dakara wrote:about 70kk ISK\h
What does kk stands for? Millions? And if so. How??
k = 1000
kk = 1,000 * 1,000 = 1,000,000
Or so I assume. Seems like a capital "M" would be easier, but that's just me. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
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Posted - 2016.03.21 03:07:25 -
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And from wich word would that k=1000 come? Kilo?
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Ligraph
Metallurgy Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.03.21 03:17:21 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:And from wich word would that k=1000 come? Kilo?
Yeah.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1080
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Posted - 2016.03.21 12:03:52 -
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Figure it out yourself ya lazy cunGÇá.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14826
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Posted - 2016.03.21 12:07:37 -
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... told op to go ask in ncq&a ... op chose to post in gd
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.21 12:20:19 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Market PvP is probably one of the riskiest activities (you can lose billions by investing in the wrong items). lol, no. Even if you do invest in the wrong items you only lose the difference between what you paid and what you can sell at and if you're losing billions there that's not risk, that's you failing to understand the market. Markets are incredibly low risk to the point that the only thing that even resembles risk comes from actively making mistakes like typing in numbers wrong. Saying that's risky would be the equivalent of saying that missions are risking because you might hit the self destruct button or completely forget to activate defensive modules.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
13812
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Posted - 2016.03.21 12:32:34 -
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Ligraph wrote:As the title states, I've been looking into ways to earn (large amounts) of isk, but haven't really been able to find consistant isk/hour numbers. I'm looking for numbers for:
- L5 missions in a carrier.
- Nullsec ratting. Drone space if it matters much. Preferably afk. Subcap, but any reasonably cheap ship would work (< a bil).
- Carrier ratting.
- C5s solo, no escalation.
- C5s solo, one escalation. Probably in a carrier.
- C3s solo.
Also, risk assessment would be appreciated! Since carriers are getting changed with the Citadel patch, I assume that it will affect isk/hour positively? Seems like a buff to non-sentry builds. Also, how viable is running c5 sites solo. I've heard of people who do it, but it seems very risky. And it means I probably need to dual/box for hole closing and scouting. Would a carrier or dread or marauder be better (after citadels)? Overall, I'm looking at nullsec ratting or L5 missions as a steady source of income, with relatively low risk. I know next to nothing about the L5 missions so any info is appreciated. C3 wormholes would be a middle ground, probably with a salvage alt and a Tengu. Maybe something bigger. C5 wormholes would be either when I have isk to lose or a small fleet. Would it be better/cheaper to bring a bunch of alts instead of a carrier?
You should be asking this question in the proper forum also, mission and complexes. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=410322 .
Still valid information there. If you are looking for the best isk to (low) risk ratio, the answer is (still) high sec sansha incursions. It's the same isk/hour flying one ship in high sec (protected by both CONCORD and a dedicated player logistics squad as flying 2 'semi-afk' drone boats while watching local/intel in null and having to warp off a lot.
The cost of initial entry is lower in terms of isk (an incursion fit Hyperion cost less than 2 properly fit VNIs) but higher in terms of time (ie a proper pirate BS or tech 2 logi ship takes more time to perfect than a ratting ishtar does, ishtar is superior to VNI in every way except cost) and in the long term in general.
Lvl 5 missions done with carriers properly takes a HUGE initial isk investment (because the best way to do it is with multiple carriers that are pre-positioned in the systems where you will actually do the mission, taking gates or jumping to cynos to do lvl 5 missions is , well, stupid) and a HUGE time/standings investment. It is the best solo PVE isk possible in the game besides using a Marauder in c5 wormholes. And if you know what you are doing, it's way less risky (never in a mission site more than 2 minutes).
There is also Burner Mission Blitzing. Here is a guide.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2016.03.21 13:57:25 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Market PvP is probably one of the riskiest activities (you can lose billions by investing in the wrong items). lol, no. Even if you do invest in the wrong items you only lose the difference between what you paid and what you can sell at and if you're losing billions there that's not risk. Exactly, which in terms of an investment can result in billions lost. Let us say you had 10 b invested in geckos for instance, you would have just lost around 3/4 bil, so that is equivalent to a capital ship. Just because nothing explodes doesn't mean that you cannot lose vast sums. And consider this, to make good profits most investments are going to be in the 10s of billions if not 100s. So if your item halves in value over night due to a CCP rebalance, your losing vast sums, far more than any ship loss from mission running.
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Knitram Relik
Running With Railguns
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Posted - 2016.03.21 14:39:01 -
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I make freighters and jump freighters. 2-4 million isk per hour per ship. That sounds low but that profit cranks out 24 hrs a day. Very little actual time investment. Maybe 10-15 hours a month spent on industry and buying/selling of materials and ships. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
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Posted - 2016.03.21 14:57:08 -
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no risks in molden heath for afk lvl 5 mission carriers, you'll do great
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.21 15:29:31 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Exactly, which in terms of an investment can result in billions lost. Let us say you had 10 b invested in geckos for instance, you would have just lost around 3/4 bil, so that is equivalent to a capital ship. No you wouldn't, because unless you were asleep you'd have seen it coming early and cashed out quickly. Not to mention that you would only have lost potential profit, and still made isk over your initial investment. If anyone bought in on their 10b investment at 30%+ over the current gekco price they were mugs.
Moac Tor wrote:Just because nothing explodes doesn't mean that you cannot lose vast sums. And consider this, to make good profits most investments are going to be in the 10s of billions if not 100s. So if your item halves in value over night due to a CCP rebalance, your losing vast sums, far more than any ship loss from mission running. But you can only lose it by making dumb mistakes then not dealing with those mistakes quickly. You aren't just going to wake up to find out that CCP have already patched in an economy changing balance and the market has already reacted. You will invariably see changes before the vast majority of the playerbase does (because one assumes if you are slinging hundreds of billions into long term investment you keep up to date on current events) so you'll be able to react to the changes before they have a significant effect. And again, you'll only be losing potential profit. If you are losing actual invested isk from the announcement of a change then you made an error in judgement when you bought in.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.21 15:41:01 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Exactly, which in terms of an investment can result in billions lost. Let us say you had 10 b invested in geckos for instance, you would have just lost around 3/4 bil, so that is equivalent to a capital ship. No you wouldn't, because unless you were asleep you'd have seen it coming early and cashed out quickly. Not to mention that you would only have lost potential profit, and still made isk over your initial investment. If anyone bought in on their 10b investment at 30%+ over the current gekco price they were mugs.
Even if it require an idiot, it's still a risk associated with the trader profession. The possibility is there. Saying there is no risk is wrong. You can reduce it tho by staying away from risky part of the markets. Gekos were always a risky investment because there was no way to ever be sure CCP would not release more and crash the price in the process. The CA-3 and CA-4 implants saw the same thing. People invested on them and it crashed when re-released. It's almost like rare items are a bad investment... |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7422
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Posted - 2016.03.21 16:08:24 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Even if it require an idiot, it's still a risk associated with the trader profession. The possibility is there. Saying there is no risk is wrong. You can reduce it tho by staying away from risky part of the markets. Gekos were always a risky investment because there was no way to ever be sure CCP would not release more and crash the price in the process. The CA-3 and CA-4 implants saw the same thing. People invested on them and it crashed when re-released. It's almost like rare items are a bad investment... But then like I say before, that is the equivalent of saying that missions are risk because if you forget to turn on defensive modules or shoot the enemies you can lose your ship. In comparison with nearly every other isk making mechanic trading is a higher reward for significantly less risk.
Also, even times like now when gecko prices are crashing, people selling their investment aren't losing isk, they just aren't making as much as if they would have sold at a peak. Only people who bought in over the current price would be losing isk in which case the risk wouldn't come from trading but from the empty space behind their eyes.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2016.03.21 17:20:33 -
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Everything that loses ISK could be considered a dumb mistake. Going into a mission with the wrong ship could be considered dumb, there is no difference between trading and pve in this regard.
Also you need to invest large sums of ISK to be successful, and so by it's very nature this is risky.
Also remember, the more risky the investment the higher the possible gains. So it is easy to call it a dumb mistake to invest in Geckos, yet those who invested when Geckos were at 25mil each would have tripled their investment if they had sold at the best price, although it could have easily gone wrong for them if CCP had released more earlier. So it's a fine line.
Try telling someone who lost all their savings on the stock market that trading is risk free. If it was then everyone would do it. You forget that the market and CCP can be completely unpredictable at times. Claiming trading is risk free is simply nonsense.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2016.03.21 17:46:57 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Everything that loses ISK could be considered a dumb mistake. Going into a mission with the wrong ship could be considered dumb, there is no difference between trading and pve in this regard. Exactly, and that's what I'm saying, you wouldn't consider highsec missions high risk because if you take the wrong ship in or don't bother activating defense modules you 'll die, would you? So why then would you consider actively making bad choices a risk of trading?
Moac Tor wrote:Also remember, the more risky the investment the higher the possible gains. So it is easy to call it a dumb mistake to invest in Geckos, yet those who invested when Geckos were at 25mil each would have tripled their investment if they had sold at the best price, although it could have easily gone wrong for them if CCP had released more earlier. So it's a fine line. But even if they had done it earlier the risk of loss is still low and the impact of that loss is too. The only way it would be a significant risk is if gecko prices could suddenly drop out without warning. Even if they announced more and you firesaled, you'd make most of your investment back.
Moac Tor wrote:Try telling someone who lost all their savings on the stock market that trading is risk free. If it was then everyone would do it. You forget that the market and CCP can be completely unpredictable at times. Claiming trading is risk free is simply nonsense. Rea wold stock markets are completely different from in game trade. For starters you always have a tangible product when trading on the game market and it's unheard of for that product to suddenly become zero valued, while that's a risk in the real world stock market. The CEO of Caldari Navy won't suddenly be caught up in a scandal and send CN missile prices plummeting. The EVE market is pretty stable, so you can be fairly sure that the vast majority of traders will make plenty of isk without worries.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.03.21 18:25:49 -
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This thread is trembling underneath the crushing weight of rampant carebearism. Is there no sense of mystery anymore?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.03.21 18:40:51 -
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Bumblefck wrote:This thread is trembling underneath the crushing weight of rampant carebearism. Is there no sense of mystery anymore?
Or how about trying and doing what you enjoy doing instead of just gunning for best isk/hours. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.03.21 18:57:47 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Bumblefck wrote:This thread is trembling underneath the crushing weight of rampant carebearism. Is there no sense of mystery anymore? Or how about trying and doing what you enjoy doing instead of just gunning for best isk/hours.
Well, there is that too - all these guides and whatnot have more or less completely removed any motivation for people to strike out on their own, not knowing what to expect but being prepared to adjust their strategies and expectations if things don't turn out the way they thought.
Bit sad, really
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.03.21 19:02:27 -
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Ligraph wrote:As the title states, I've been looking into ways to earn (large amounts) of isk, but haven't really been able to find consistant isk/hour numbers. I'm looking for numbers for:
- L5 missions in a carrier.
- Nullsec ratting. Drone space if it matters much. Preferably afk. Subcap, but any reasonably cheap ship would work (< a bil).
- Carrier ratting.
- C5s solo, no escalation.
- C5s solo, one escalation. Probably in a carrier.
- C3s solo.
- Buy PLEX with cash - Sell for ISK
Also, risk assessment would be appreciated!
I added one to your list. You can make about a billion a minute with this method. Also, it should be noted that as far as risk is concerned, doing this is about as risk free as it gets.
Mr Epeen
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2707
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Posted - 2016.03.21 19:06:18 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ligraph wrote:As the title states, I've been looking into ways to earn (large amounts) of isk, but haven't really been able to find consistant isk/hour numbers. I'm looking for numbers for:
- L5 missions in a carrier.
- Nullsec ratting. Drone space if it matters much. Preferably afk. Subcap, but any reasonably cheap ship would work (< a bil).
- Carrier ratting.
- C5s solo, no escalation.
- C5s solo, one escalation. Probably in a carrier.
- C3s solo.
- Buy PLEX with cash - Sell for ISK
Also, risk assessment would be appreciated! I added one to your list. You can make about a billion a minute with this method. Also, it should be noted that as far as risk is concerned, doing this is about as risk free as it gets. Mr Epeen
You always get that one ****** redeeming his PLEX elsewhere than a market hub tho. |
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