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Dreck Morrison
Amarr No Quarter.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:50:00 -
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To the OP: I am certain that CCP can fix the whole color issue by adding one more darker shade to each race on character creation. Suggesting it in a constructive manner in the appropiate forum like future proposed settings, etc, or a email/letter to CCP might prove more beneficial.
But what would you propose rather than whining? Would you want to have CCP map actual web cam pictures onto your charachters so that we have a true representation of race and gender in our characters of those playing the game. That doesn't sound much like a massive online role playing game to me.
BTW CCP fixing skin tone issues by adding a darker shade for you to be "more" black - how does that improve game play and interaction in the game? I doubt CCP can fix ugly.....(thoughts and behaviors of you and your friends is what I am thinking). Too bad you can't get past the character creation screen to actually find out it is a great game.
Dreck Morrison
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Brisi
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:59:00 -
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Bleh, it's them missing out tbh.
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Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dee Vour they couldnt believe that the only way to be a black guy was to be a... Brutor
So of course you told them that many centuries ago in the Eve universe civilization collapsed everywhere and no knowledge remains of humanity's origins. So they can't be black brothers, white racists or any kind of guy that knows anything about Earth. Eve being a distopian universe has instead a whole new set of prejudices for characters to acquire.
Plus, you told them that if they read the forums they would have found that character appearance is of no interest at all to players. A player who wanted her character to 'look like her' would be regarded as, um, odd.
I take their point though. If their racial identity is important enough for them not to be able to tolerate the lack of interest of others in it, then Eve is not for them. I assume they hadn't found out about *slavery* in Eve?
--- Trikassi Enterprises, oiling the jumpgates of commerce since 2004 |
UPA Terf
Scorn.
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:17:00 -
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truth be told the EvE story itself presents a passable explantion as to why the races of characters is as it is.. also all of the other races in EvE (which is a clue in itself) are from differing backgrounds so i dont see why not have the minmatar as freedom fighters... one of the races had to be to be honest gives them an interesting story and so what if they happen to be black. Its a GAME mate its one of those things over PC caucasians care about.. im just weighing in with my opinion
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Dee Vour
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:19:00 -
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i can see a lot of violently ridden emotions in this thread. seems it is some of you who should have a chill pill. now
me and my mates are reading and having a good chuckle at how hypocritical some of you are. yep, we're all sitting here; 2 black guys, 3 white, 1 japanese (yes a japanese!)
you say this game is based on a fictional evolution of the human race... bawllz it's based on this RL world template, simple. be as sarcastic and pretend as you want, you can't deny the obvious.
but what disturbs me the most is the fact that you're acting like the very bigots you condemn. why shouldnt someone decide to put in their char what they want? and play the game with their own motives? does that make them bad? racist? and you a goodie because you dont care what your's looks like?
i for myself understand my mates view point and think it's fair the description of the Brutor not only lacks subtlety, it's also a big old stereotype.
i also agree with them there are no descriptions of black "thinkers" in the game like the intaki or other races. wont even elaborate on the changing the light background thang (...) and because i am human i can see this can be a valid issue and wont dismiss their concern.
i reckon this world would be a better place if all standards were applied equally to all. imho this game could've been such model.
so dont go out all guns blazing like fools arguing that because the majority of you think one way all do
ps. btw we're all sci-fi freaks here, we know the history of Star Trek and the meaning of that "infamous" kiss
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 12/02/2007 17:17:00 One should also note that EVE got developed in Iceland, which is (sorta) part of europe, which is populated to 95% by caucasians.
So that EVE having mainly caucasians is not exactly a "hold the presses!" surprise. This has nothing to do with racismn, but simply with people adapting much of their own world on fictional scenarios. You might as well say that it is rassistic that in asian films most actors are asian.
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Natalia Fachiri
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:21:00 -
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There is such a thing as overreaction. This is a picture perfect example.
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chrisreeves
Gallente Asgard Protectorate Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:27:00 -
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dude, come on now. We all know that there are no black people in space let alone the future.
Don't you watch TV?
Originally by: Dee Vour ...can somebody tell me if there are ways to be black in gallente caldari or ammar?
ask some goonies, they know how to make their guys look like other stuff
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stay puff
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:30:00 -
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OMG there are NO American Indians in eve RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE oh and... can i have your stuff
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 12/02/2007 17:28:38 I thought black people were exstinct
OMG!! THERE ARE NO VIKINGS IN THIS GAME!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: XerZex psh, at least u guys got eye balls :P haha
So do you, you just hid your pupils.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: stay puff OMG there are NO American Indians in eve RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE oh and... can i have your stuff
There are no Grandmothers in this game!
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dee Vour but what disturbs me the most is the fact that you're acting like the very bigots you condemn. why shouldnt someone decide to put in their char what they want? and play the game with their own motives? does that make them bad? racist? and you a goodie because you dont care what your's looks like?
It is a game. You really need to get your head around that. As a game EVE is limited in its scope. How many races should there be? Where are American Indians, Asians, Middle Easterners, Russians, Tahitians, Australians, Brazilians, etc.?
More than that the EVE backstory, by virtue of the collapse of the EVE Gate, saw the stranded people form up into 4 distinct races. They are what they are. If you don't liek the story fine but it is what it is and what it is not is an attempt at racism.
Quote: i for myself understand my mates view point and think it's fair the description of the Brutor not only lacks subtlety, it's also a big old stereotype.
i also agree with them there are no descriptions of black "thinkers" in the game like the intaki or other races. wont even elaborate on the changing the light background thang (...) and because i am human i can see this can be a valid issue and wont dismiss their concern.
Again, read the backstory. I'll quote a part for you:
"The fortunes of the Minmatars have ebbed and flowed continuously. At one time they had a flourishing empire with a level of mechanical excellence never before or since seen anywhere. Later, however, they had to endure centuries of enslavement, toiling and dying for the benefit of foreign masters. Today most of them have regained their freedom, but the legacy of their enslavement has been the diaspora of the race."
So, you have a race that was known for their "mechanical excellence" who was subsequently enslaved. Does not sound like an implication that Minmatar or somehow lesser or defective. Where they stand now is a result of their enslavement. Being enslaved as a race is not conducive to generating high art and great thinkers. It is conducive to creating freedom fighters.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Dark Shikari Gallente are French.
I don't know any blacks that fall into any of the above 4 racial categories
Try wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_department
The people of Africa is not represented by the frenches. "la Martinique", "La Guadeloupe", "Saint Pierre et Michellon" etc represent no more than 5% of the total population maybe. Our melting-pot is, say about the same fancy colours as in the US (some people here try to think about positive discrimination for exemple).
Let me guess an horrible thing : on "old eden", people left Africa on Earth because they were too poor ? Maybe they come back one time, along with the Indians (left alone them too).
I wonder what happened to these people on old eden. -----
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:50:00 -
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There are no trolls in the game!
Oh wait...
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Dee Vour
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:14:00 -
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meh you got the concept of races and nations confused mate.
i see 3 main types on earth (not in any order): asian, afro and caucasian. not difficult is it?
"native" indians descend from mongols (asia) who migrated and are a "metissage".
oh, and btw according to top scientists mankind emanates from africa i.e. started off... black then over millenia man changed according to its environment.
not that it matters one bit though but i thought i'd let you know...
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Anna Grahm
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dee Vour my mates came visiting to check my new uber game: EVE online. they were in awe and within 5 mnts they'd all left and gone to theirs to get a trial account. next day i got a couple of calls from 2 of my buddies. they couldnt believe that the only way to be a black guy was to be a... Brutor. in essence what they actually said to me was:
"man... can you believe this c###p?! i'm a brute or nothing... rings a familiar stereotype bell doesnt it?... as if at this very moment europe and america have no black people.... like on TV, we've been eradicated from the future".
i couldnt really confirm as all my chars are caucasians. but when i suggested that they chill and address the issue on the forum they told me to stuff that idiotic game where (i'll censure this myself ) after this even my white buddies decided not to join....
can somebody tell me if there are ways to be black in gallente caldari or ammar?
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a21/LostSoulStory/ThatsRacist.gif
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Dee Vour
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:21:00 -
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Quote: by Humpalot. Being enslaved as a race is not conducive to generating high art and great thinkers. It is conducive to creating freedom fighters.
er... are you sure? really? lol maybe you should read more. for instance (and amongst many other examples) the bible was written by a people from a nation of former slaves. oodles of other examples out there.
imo slavery generates one fundamental trait: it makes you think
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:25:00 -
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Well, I must say there are a few other races that aren't represented at all in eve, at least there is a black option. And wth with only Brutors getting shades? What? Caldari can't be cool? Didn't CCP ever watch CHiPS?
As to the Brutor description, I suppose... How about you and your mates come up with what you would consider a non-offensive description? That might be interesting to read.
I have a feeling that if CCP gets around to finishing the walking around in stations thing, where we all have to recreate our avatars, there might be a few more options to appearance then. If you guys do file-13 eve for now, maybe you should come back and check it once that feature is in.
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Agrikaan
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:29:00 -
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I WANT MY HAIR BACK! I WANT HAIR-REGROWTH PRODUCTS ON THE EVE MARKET!
Now recruting! |
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:34:00 -
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If any of you or your friends had read eve stories you would know that The minmatar are pointed by the most advanced of the races (so caller the order) as the closes to reach their status of perfection among all human races.
So should all caucasian people now condemn CCp cause it was racist and made the dark skinned one to be the most evolved race?
LOL for you! I have pity of you! You will only be not racist the day you dont care anything about that!
If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!! |
Tharim
Code-Blue
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:38:00 -
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The character creation in all its complexity is a bit decieving. When you enter the game as a Brutor, you are a minmatarr together with the Sebiestors and that new race. The portrait doesnt really matter much.
The OP and his friends disgust me. They represent if not everything, then atleast alot of what is wrong with the world.
Originally by: Sharkbait what queue are you stuck in. logging into the character selection page, logging into game, or jumping somewhere?
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Kalbagar
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:39:00 -
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Honestly, if your friends have such huge problems getting over real life racist issues to enjoy a GAME, then they really don't belong in eve.
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Ling Xiao
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:39:00 -
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Haha I can understand the feeling of this guy, the Brutors are the stereotypical African appearance, and what's more they happen to be fighting against slavery of their people, what a coincidence!
I would find it a little offensive too. But it's just a game, and something so integral to the backstory won't change anytime this century.
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Grader
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:44:00 -
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im black.... and mimitar are the strongest in game : p nanophooon : p the game breaker atm muhuaaaaaaaa... remeber 2 mwd and torp lauchers on rupture? was a gamebreaker in the begginings of eve,,, and it was a black mans ride toooo hehe we doing fine as the black ppl in eve.
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Dee Vour
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:48:00 -
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er... you people miss the point completely.
i still insist that this game is based on this world order of things. but even at this point in time all races live virtually everywhere on earth.
so my point is... why arent there all 3 races in each of the 4 EVE races? that would make sense wouldn't it.
i feel so sorry that some of you are so blinded by whatever twisted misconception.
mmm... very on the defensive you are... are you not?
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Samuel Freedom
Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Samuel Freedom on 12/02/2007 18:49:55
Originally by: Ling Xiao Haha I can understand the feeling of this guy, the Brutors are the stereotypical African appearance, and what's more they happen to be fighting against slavery of their people, what a coincidence!
I would find it a little offensive too. But it's just a game, and something so integral to the backstory won't change anytime this century.
o.0 I must be a black ablbino then as I am fighting oppression and slavery aswell
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:55:00 -
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While I hardly think its as extreme a problem as the OPs friend makes out, I do find it a bit bugging. 7 bloodlines who appear to be white. 4 bloolines that appear to be asian. 1 bloodline (called "BRUT[E]or", ex slaves, renowned for their thuggish warrior mentality) is black. I mean, that is a bit lame.
I hope they add another swathe of bloodlines (witha new power-of-two offer, woo!) to help add a bit more choice and flavour. If I recall my prime fiction rightly, there are Minmatar tribes and Amarr races that have been mentioned by name, and atleast one more Gallente Federation member that gets named. Presumably we can rustle up another Caldari bloodline, too.
And DS: I know a black French guy and a black guy from Egypt, so nyah -----------------------------------------------
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:55:00 -
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Just for the record, I find people calling others rasist to be a lot more rasist than their targets.
But since this is a game, I too was surprised the only way I could get a black character was to be minmatar, even though I wanted this caldari chick to be mocca. It really deceivs me that you cannot chose your skin color through a limited pallete that includes the darkest black skin possible. Set in future or not, it is a game played by people of the present, who want to be "themselves" or someone else (I'm white or, to be politically correct "I am caucasian"). It's an imaginary world, but if I am happy with the color of my skin, or want to be "a person of color", it's somewhat stupid not to let me.
In regards to the Minmatar being the only blacks in game AND the race that was enslaved, I did find it too close to today's reality and frankly a dumb point in the decision of the game. They could have just as well made the Amarr the slaves, most of them look like they're beggars anyway, hoodies on their heads (Ku Klux Klan anyone?) and all. What completely made me declare CCP is racist was the inclusion of the "american native" bloodline (another "slaved"/subjugated race in real life) in the Minmatar race.
I suppose this paragraph will eventually dissapear, but I wanted to say it.
So here are my proposed solutions: - Allow us to chose whatever skin color we want. If that's not an option, make all characters green. As far as I know, there are no races called "green", while there are white, black, yellow and red races. - Since it's a bit late in the game to change the background story of the Minmatar without creating a true revolt on the forums, I propose these events be implemented: Jove come back and give the Minmatar more power, which is used to impose a ban on Amarr even mentioning the words "slave" while the new slaves become the Caldari (Minmatar got tired of having to shield tank AND armor tank their ships, so they saif "**** off, Caldari, give us your ships!"). This way, the french (Gallente) won't be laughed on about their previous military conflicts' outcome in real life, the Amarr being enslaved wouldn't make the white people yell murder and create another white versus black conflict. Stories. |
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dee Vour after this even my white buddies decided not to join....
Thats gotta one of the silliest reasons ive ever heard to not play a game... -----
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