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May'n Nome
EVE University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:04:26 -
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As you all know by now; there was a huge, running battle in Tribute yesterday between "The Good Guys" / Moneybadger Coalition and CFC that turned into a full route for CFC after CO2 defected to the other side. I won't get into the reasons why CO2 may have done this as there is so much spin, separating fact from fiction is not possible.
Listening to the various interviews afterwards...I noticed this common theme from anyone within the Imperium/CFC as far as what they were saying goes.
"We will outlast this." "They do not have the energy to spend even a week at this." "They do not have any inspirational leader to keep them going."
I sat back and I pondered this for a minute...and I realized something.
The Imperium thinks it is beyond the power of Times ravages. Of the cycles that govern the rise and falls of empires, real and digital. They think they are still invincible and too powerful to fall.
The pilots in New Eden can prove this wrong.
I; as a newer pilot coming up on 3 months in the game, ask you to keep this fight going. To prove The Mittani and his cohorts wrong. That the Imperium can be brought to kneel before the greater might of the whole. The greater might of us players; newbro and veteran; industrial, explorer, and fighter alike. We bring them to heel and we show them they are like the Spanish Armada in 1588 before facing England on the seas. We strip them of their power and destroy the foundations of their Ivory Towers.
We make even The Mittani realize he is not beyond reproach. That to have everything destroyed is to give a space for a new creation to happen. That the old must give way to the new.
And should the Imperium survive this? We make sure they no longer hold the power they used too. To decide what alliances live and which ones they destroy for even daring to exist without their say so.
New Eden rise up and show this young pilot; who believes the impossible can be done by sheer Force of Will and the fortitude to carry on; how wrong the Imperium is about it's place of power being untouchable.
Go beyond the impossible everyone and good fights to all! |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11464
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:12:53 -
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"Returned to sender: addressee did not accept delivery"
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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May'n Nome
EVE University Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:15:01 -
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Bumblefck wrote:"Returned to sender: addressee did not accept delivery"
Did you try to send me something in-game? |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11464
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:16:09 -
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May'n Nome wrote:Bumblefck wrote:"Returned to sender: addressee did not accept delivery" Did you try to send me something in-game?
Bless you
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
397
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:19:39 -
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Bumblefck wrote:May'n Nome wrote:Bumblefck wrote:"Returned to sender: addressee did not accept delivery" Did you try to send me something in-game? Bless you
dude, you owe me a keyboard...
Just Add Water
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1030
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:19:48 -
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Listen, May'n. Never forget. Just believe in yourself. Not in the May'n that i believe in, not in the Ayeipsia that you believe in. Have faith in the May'n that believes in you. |
Anyura
Dark-Rising
183
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:46:36 -
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The battle of J-GAMP being the May'n event, so to speak. |
Annemariela Antonela
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
508
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Posted - 2016.03.29 17:51:37 -
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Sorry bae, I'm not drunk enough.
GÇ£Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.GÇ¥
GÇò Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon
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Pryce Caesar
The Scope Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2016.03.29 18:14:29 -
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Right, and the "revolution" believes it is beyond the capacity to fail in its current venture. It's going to take a lot more to destroy a coalition that has stood for a long time in EVE than just throwing hundreds of pilots into repeated blitzkriegs and hope to overwhelm with just numbers alone.
Given how that seems to be the case so far, all it will takes is for one major defeat for the Badger Coalition to come to a grinding halt and lose their momentum. Has the Badger Coalition even touched a single Super Capital in any of the engagements? As long as the Imperium doesn't give the Northern Coalition and Pandemic Legion what they want, they aren't going to win the war.
I would not be surprised, personally, if the entire motivation behind this war is because Northern Coalition and Pandemic Legion only want revenge for the crushing losses they suffered at B-R5RB. Must be truly painful, having your greatest failing immortalized. |
manndraggora
Midnight Craftsman
0
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Posted - 2016.03.29 18:29:53 -
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Its just pvp content, everyone wants to think this is something greater and wants Imperium dispanded except those shooting them. Its content let it last as long as it can. |
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May'n Nome
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2016.03.29 18:49:02 -
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Pryce Caesar wrote:Right, and the "revolution" believes it is beyond the capacity to fail in its current venture. It's going to take a lot more to destroy a coalition that has stood for a long time in EVE than just throwing hundreds of pilots into repeated blitzkriegs and hope to overwhelm with just numbers alone.
Given how that seems to be the case so far, all it will takes is for one major defeat for the Badger Coalition to come to a grinding halt and lose their momentum. Has the Badger Coalition even touched a single Super Capital in any of the engagements? As long as the Imperium doesn't give the Northern Coalition and Pandemic Legion what they want, they aren't going to win the war.
I would not be surprised, personally, if the entire motivation behind this war is because Northern Coalition and Pandemic Legion only want revenge for the crushing losses they suffered at B-R5RB. Must be truly painful, having your greatest failing immortalized.
Revenge should never be a motivation for this kind of conflict. The motivation should always be based in an ideal. Whether that ideal is money or the freedom to fly among the stars as you choose. I myself prefer the ideal of the latter.
To fly as one chooses to fly and never ask others to answer to my ideals nor to my vision.
"Threefold is the time's pace: the future comes not in haste, the present is gone arrow fast, eternally still remains the past."
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11472
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Posted - 2016.03.29 18:49:49 -
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manndraggora wrote:and wants Imperium dispanded except those shooting them.
*Bumble takes away the Imperium's pandas*
*The Imperium cries*
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Demolishar
United Aggression
1093
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Posted - 2016.03.29 18:55:06 -
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May'n Nome wrote: We bring them to heel and we show them they are like the Spanish Armada in 1588 before facing England on the seas.
Incidentally, the English Armada that was formed to press the English advantage after the destruction of Spain's armada was quickly destroyed, leaving Spain once again the greater naval power. |
Annemariela Antonela
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
509
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Posted - 2016.03.29 18:58:45 -
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I just need to know one thing: who is Hitler here?
GÇ£Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.GÇ¥
GÇò Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
466
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Posted - 2016.03.29 18:58:54 -
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Everyone is bleating that the goons must fall because they are corrupt and evil and the world will be a better place if they are gone. We can actually draw parallels to the real world here. Everyone was bleating that Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi must go because they corrupt and evil and the world will be a better place if they are gone; yet when they were gone what were they replaced by...
I can understand why some of the allied forces want revenge on the goons, but for most of us, fighting to remove one power bloc so that it can be replaced by another power bloc has little point or meaning.
Sure, go and have fun fighting in a war, but don't be under any illusion that you are doing this for the greater good of Eve.
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1713
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:04:24 -
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I used to hate goons.... But years later i just don't care about them...
And current war is just business as usual. It's just people found something to do. One group of players piled to kick another group. There is no 'bad guys' and there is no 'good guys'. If you dig deep enough you can find that almost each of today's 'good' guys was at some point ally of goons kicking asses of other today's 'good' guys.
Just wait and you'll see: after CFC becomes history you will have new 'goons' to hate
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Tigh Edatosmi
Bound And Determined
12
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:05:35 -
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Annemariela Antonela wrote:I just need to know one thing: who is Hitler here?
way too soon for godwin's law to be kicking in, wouldn't you say? |
Tigh Edatosmi
Bound And Determined
12
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:08:30 -
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Demolishar wrote:May'n Nome wrote: We bring them to heel and we show them they are like the Spanish Armada in 1588 before facing England on the seas. Incidentally, the English Armada that was formed to press the English advantage after the destruction of Spain's armada was quickly destroyed, leaving Spain once again the greater naval power.
Yet only a scant 2 generations later, the Spanish were on the losing side, and the English the winning side of the Thirty Year's war. The Spanish armada is widely recognized as the high water mark of the Hapsburg dynasty, while the English empire (and subsequently the British Empire) was on its way to "The sun never sets on the British Empire". The Drake Norris Expedition was a speed bump on the way to the changing of the guard, not a long term reversal of fortune.
Tigh |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3645
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:15:36 -
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What a shitpost |
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Circle-Of-Two
80
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:23:32 -
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Fortunes turn and tides rise and fall.
In Eve, someone will always rise to the top only to be knocked back down. The only real challenge is to try to be the last one on top before they shut the servers down lol.
Goons use to be on the other side of this scenario (granted before my time in-game). I started playing before B-R and did not even notice it or how big it was at the time.
I did not really start paying attention to the politics of the game till a month or two after B-R, so I have only really seen the times where there were basically 4 big groups; Goons, NC. (N3), PL, and a bunch of Russians whose political alignment I still do not understand. Those groups still are around today just in a different form.
I was not around for BOB, but in talking with others who have been around longer than I have, it seems like the biggest difference between now and then is that META itself has changed.
Today, we have reddit, Twitch, Youtube, the forums (official and unofficial). We have websites that cover just this game (some are more independent that others). We have gambling websites.
So much of the game has been taken out of the client and much closer to the real world, that in some cases the lines have started to get blurred. Combine this with the general attitude that the goons and other groups have shown or even promoted as well as accusations of real life threats, and things have really changed.
At a certain point, Eve stopped being a game to some and became personal.
I know this may sound ironic coming from a guy in CO2, but honestly I could not give two ***** about whether goons live or die. I am here because of the people in my corp. A kill mail is a kill mail. We just hope we are on the right side of it lol. |
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Annemariela Antonela
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
509
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:28:46 -
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Tigh Edatosmi wrote:Annemariela Antonela wrote:I just need to know one thing: who is Hitler here? way too soon for godwin's law to be kicking in, wouldn't you say?
It's the Accelerated Godwin.
GÇ£Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.GÇ¥
GÇò Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon
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May'n Nome
EVE University Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:38:09 -
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Scotsman Howard wrote:Fortunes turn and tides rise and fall.
In Eve, someone will always rise to the top only to be knocked back down. The only real challenge is to try to be the last one on top before they shut the servers down lol.
Goons use to be on the other side of this scenario (granted before my time in-game). I started playing before B-R and did not even notice it or how big it was at the time.
I did not really start paying attention to the politics of the game till a month or two after B-R, so I have only really seen the times where there were basically 4 big groups; Goons, NC. (N3), PL, and a bunch of Russians whose political alignment I still do not understand. Those groups still are around today just in a different form.
I was not around for BOB, but in talking with others who have been around longer than I have, it seems like the biggest difference between now and then is that META itself has changed.
Today, we have reddit, Twitch, Youtube, the forums (official and unofficial). We have websites that cover just this game (some are more independent that others). We have gambling websites.
So much of the game has been taken out of the client and much closer to the real world, that in some cases the lines have started to get blurred. Combine this with the general attitude that the goons and other groups have shown or even promoted as well as accusations of real life threats, and things have really changed.
At a certain point, Eve stopped being a game to some and became personal.
I know this may sound ironic coming from a guy in CO2, but honestly I could not give two ***** about whether goons live or die. I am here because of the people in my corp. A kill mail is a kill mail. We just hope we are on the right side of it lol.
Well said. o7 to you and hope to hear more from your people in the coming war.
I also will admit to not being a fan of politics in general but understanding them is important. Understanding how they come to be and evolve and the fall of those in power. Seeing this is exciting for me and I will always cheer for change that allows more open freedom. A new paradigm to explore. This should excite us and drive us to see what the future holds for EVE. To help shape and form.
This is something I feel The Mittani is not respecting. He may grasp an understanding of it but either does not respect it or thinks himself above it.
"Threefold is the time's pace: the future comes not in haste, the present is gone arrow fast, eternally still remains the past."
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
838
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:42:49 -
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Scotsman Howard wrote:A kill mail is a kill mail. We just hope we are on the right side of it lol.
Who cares about the right side? I'll just stick with my side.
In any case, there are interesting times ahead. |
May'n Nome
EVE University Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:44:03 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Scotsman Howard wrote:A kill mail is a kill mail. We just hope we are on the right side of it lol. Who cares about the right side? I'll just stick with my side. In any case, there are interesting times ahead.
I wish you good luck and the dream that you find your own path in this game and able to live with the decisions you make.
"Threefold is the time's pace: the future comes not in haste, the present is gone arrow fast, eternally still remains the past."
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3645
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:46:50 -
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Scotsman Howard wrote:
Today, we have reddit, Twitch, Youtube, the forums (official and unofficial). We have websites that cover just this game (some are more independent that others). We have gambling websites.
So much of the game has been taken out of the client and much closer to the real world
That isn't even close to new - it has been true since I started playing on my first char, back in ~2006. Maybe you just didn't know where to look? |
Magmain
The Sweet Roll Cooperative
13
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:49:17 -
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May'n Nome wrote:As you all know by now; there was a huge, running battle in Tribute yesterday between "The Good Guys" / Moneybadger Coalition and CFC that turned into a full route for CFC after CO2 defected to the other side. I won't get into the reasons why CO2 may have done this as there is so much spin, separating fact from fiction is not possible.
Listening to the various interviews afterwards...I noticed this common theme from anyone within the Imperium/CFC as far as what they were saying goes.
"We will outlast this." "They do not have the energy to spend even a week at this." "They do not have any inspirational leader to keep them going."
I sat back and I pondered this for a minute...and I realized something.
The Imperium thinks it is beyond the power of Times ravages. Of the cycles that govern the rise and falls of empires, real and digital. They think they are still invincible and too powerful to fall.
The pilots in New Eden can prove this wrong.
I; as a newer pilot coming up on 3 months in the game, ask you to keep this fight going. To prove The Mittani and his cohorts wrong. That the Imperium can be brought to kneel before the greater might of the whole. The greater might of us players; newbro and veteran; industrial, explorer, and fighter alike. We bring them to heel and we show them they are like the Spanish Armada in 1588 before facing England on the seas. We strip them of their power and destroy the foundations of their Ivory Towers.
We make even The Mittani realize he is not beyond reproach. That to have everything destroyed is to give a space for a new creation to happen. That the old must give way to the new.
And should the Imperium survive this? We make sure they no longer hold the power they used too. To decide what alliances live and which ones they destroy for even daring to exist without their say so.
New Eden rise up and show this young pilot; who believes the impossible can be done by sheer Force of Will and the fortitude to carry on; how wrong the Imperium is about it's place of power being untouchable.
Go beyond the impossible everyone and good fights to all!
I just woke up and I'm really not high enough for this. Gimme a bit.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
11475
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:55:02 -
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Magmain wrote:
I just woke up and I'm really not high enough for this. Gimme a bit.
Are you as high AF yet? Because we can't really "deal" with things unless you are, sir
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Magmain
The Sweet Roll Cooperative
13
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Posted - 2016.03.29 19:58:52 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Magmain wrote:
I just woke up and I'm really not high enough for this. Gimme a bit.
Are you as high AF yet? Because we can't really "deal" with things unless you are, sir
sec.
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there we go. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
838
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Posted - 2016.03.29 20:04:26 -
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May'n Nome wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Scotsman Howard wrote:A kill mail is a kill mail. We just hope we are on the right side of it lol. Who cares about the right side? I'll just stick with my side. In any case, there are interesting times ahead. I wish you good luck and the dream that you find your own path in this game and able to live with the decisions you make.
Thanks, kiddo, but you needn't worry about me. I'll be fine. |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
553
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Posted - 2016.03.29 20:29:12 -
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Annemariela Antonela wrote:I just need to know one thing: who is Hitler here?
Oh, pick me, pick me !
Don't anger the forum gods.
ISD Buldath:
> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.
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