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Sundisco
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:44:00 -
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I was just looking at the HAC's and I realised the Deimos had alot more Armor/Shield/Hull then the Vagabond altho I realised the vagabond had more speed. I didn't think the speed would make up for all the armor the Deimos has so I would say the Deimos would totally annihilate the Vagabond. Is this correct or not?
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Aakron
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:46:00 -
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The deimos won't catch the vaga... ---
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Captain Crimson
CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:47:00 -
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The demios is a close combat ship, yet has a lowest speed of all HACs..... The speed of the vagabond is really helpful in solo work. The demios.... well, it's hard to fit for solo work. It's more of a damge dealer in gangs.
In 1v1, the vagabond would win if the pilot had any idea what he was doing. He would just stay out of range of the demios. 'What do you mean, where's the treasure? It's in this chest: ****ography and biscuits! Yarrr!'
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Sundisco
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:56:00 -
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What if the Deimos was using rails, or don't people put rails on a Deimos?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:56:00 -
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Deimos would have no chance against the vagabond. The vaga would keep him at 15 km or more shooting him from outside deimos effective guns range.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!! |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sundisco What if the Deimos was using rails, or don't people put rails on a Deimos?
Then the vagabond would orbit him at 2km at 2km/s and be untrackable by the rails....
If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!! |
DarkElf
Caldari Veto. Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:58:00 -
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yeah what others are saying is totally true. any vaga pilot that loses to a deimos needs a slap. i doubt the deimos could get a single hit in on it tbh.
DE
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.13 09:59:00 -
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Nothing personal but its just like people looking @ dps and go omg i-win.
The deimos will have a topspeed of around 1.9 km/s and a optimalrange of 4 km. The vagabond has a optimal range of around 16km and can hit up to 23.5km with 50%hitchance (with rigs). The vagabond also has topspeed of around 8.9 km/s _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Sundisco
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Sundisco What if the Deimos was using rails, or don't people put rails on a Deimos?
Then the vagabond would orbit him at 2km at 2km/s and be untrackable by the rails....
rofl, I like that :)
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Riho
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Nothing personal but its just like people looking @ dps and go omg i-win.
The deimos will have a topspeed of around 1.9 km/s and a optimalrange of 4 km. The vagabond has a optimal range of around 16km and can hit up to 23.5km with 50%hitchance (with rigs). The vagabond also has topspeed of around 8.9 km/s
:P
i can shoot up to 12kms i think whit NULL :D
but yeah... only a stupd vaga will loose to a deimos really :(
come in web range and vaga is owned ....
and rails....no comment :P
Great being Gallente... aint it ? |
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Riho
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Sundisco What if the Deimos was using rails, or don't people put rails on a Deimos?
Then the vagabond would orbit him at 2km at 2km/s and be untrackable by the rails....
i fit web on rail ships :D
so if i was the vaga i would still sit at 15km+ and obrit whit mwd... rails still will hardly hit
Great being Gallente... aint it ? |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Sundisco What if the Deimos was using rails, or don't people put rails on a Deimos?
Then the vagabond would orbit him at 2km at 2km/s and be untrackable by the rails....
i fit web on rail ships :D
so if i was the vaga i would still sit at 15km+ and obrit whit mwd... rails still will hardly hit
a webbed vagabond will still move > 700ms... next try?
If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!! |
Ciphero
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:03:00 -
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The Vagabond could be scared away if it's not using Barrage and the Deimos is using Neutrons with Null ... maybe. Not totally sure on the ranges, but that's basically the Deimos' only chance of not dying.
There's no way the Vaga should die. Even if the Deimos lands smack on top of it, the Vaga will get slapped about hard, but briefly before getting out of web range. |
wierchas noobhunter
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:05:00 -
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deimos is ghey
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:13:00 -
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Quite simply... Vagabond >>>>>>>>>> Deimos. Deimos isn't even worthy of being a tech 2 ship. It's god damn awful!
You may aswell buy a Thorax for 1/15th the price or whatever it is and have that many times more fun/deaths. :D
Tbh... Thorax > Deimos.
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:31:00 -
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Some idiot designed a close range ship that:
1) cant tank 2) very vunerable to webbs 3) Very Very vunerable to nos 4) Horrible spped and agility 5) Very hard to fit
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Sundisco
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Posted - 2007.02.13 11:34:00 -
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How do you know if theyre using rails or blasters? Is the only way to tell by how much damag they are doing or is there an easier way?
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.02.13 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sundisco How do you know if theyre using rails or blasters? Is the only way to tell by how much damag they are doing or is there an easier way?
Zoom in and look at the graphics, both the shoot graphics and the gun models looks different. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Cosmic silver
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Posted - 2007.02.13 13:21:00 -
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Even if a vaga does get into web range my moneys still on the vaga he loads up hail and bye bye deimos due to its low exp resistance and also a vaga with deul lse has ALOT more hp than a deimos.
Every deimos iv fought died against my vaga also hail rips ishtars apart as well. The only hac's to scary my little vaga are the cerb due to crazy rof and range and also the zealot its just nasty. But then again a good vaga pilot will never loose just merly run away if he cant win.
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Miss KillSome
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:38:00 -
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vaga, deimos is not worth flying in PvP..maybe for PvE against serpentis corp..
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Entilzah Valen
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:44:00 -
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Vagabond can dictate range.
Imagine being locked down with an unwebbed target outside of your blaster range moving faster than your drones can chase.
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Entilzah Valen
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Entilzah Valen on 13/02/2007 14:44:19
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Sundisco How do you know if theyre using rails or blasters? Is the only way to tell by how much damag they are doing or is there an easier way?
Zoom in and look at the graphics, both the shoot graphics and the gun models looks different.
Blasters honestly look Gallente. They have rounded edges and they have a greenish lighting to them. Your also able to tell what type of blaster by the muzzle.
Railguns are more geometric, and have a blue dot somewhere on the weapon. In most cases its hard to tell medium sized/large sized railguns apart.
T2 ofc.
You should have taken the blue pill. |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:52:00 -
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The deimos vs vaga fight is extremely easy compared to the other hacs,the only reason a vaga would lose is if the vaga pilot is stupid and gets within 10kms,gets webbed and attempts to tank him. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. |
Centurin
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:54:00 -
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Just give up on the deimos. There is already a massive thread somewhere on why it sucks. Even though it sucked before Revelations, the HP changes along with everything else put the nail in the coffin. ----------------------------------------------- "It's great playing Caldari Online, isn't it?" by Xori Ruscuv
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.02.13 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Deathbarrage on 13/02/2007 15:38:11
Originally by: madaluap Nothing personal but its just like people looking @ dps and go omg i-win.
The deimos will have a topspeed of around 1.9 km/s and a optimalrange of 4 km. The vagabond has a optimal range of around 16km and can hit up to 23.5km with 50%hitchance (with rigs). The vagabond also has topspeed of around 8.9 km/s
Do you fly a vagabond?
Those speeds are only achieved on full speed setups with HG snake, speed implants, speed rigs and claymores and the likes
A vaga with 2x istab 1x nano (local hull) and no implants will have a topspeed of around 4,5km/sec
edit: that was off topic, a vaga will royally pwn a deimos
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Sundisco
Minmatar Intergalactic Capsuleer Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.13 15:54:00 -
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Hmm, so dosn't this mean that every Gallente HAC / Gallente Cruiser would get wiped out by the vagabond easy?
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DarkElf
Caldari Veto. Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sundisco Hmm, so dosn't this mean that every Gallente HAC / Gallente Cruiser would get wiped out by the vagabond easy?
well an ishtar could be set up to beat the vaga but unless the vaga is a noob he will only have to leave not get killed. deimos is absolute fodder to it tbh.
vaga owns most ships 1v1 tbh.
current state of eve is speed wins. not in all situations but solo and small group definately
DE
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:00:00 -
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I'm not gonna go into detail here....the Vaga would just straight inialate a Deimos weather the Deimos had rails, blasters, well maybe not, but the maybe not is only if the Deimos had a naked Jessica Simpson in it and the Vaga could simply not pop heror would he...
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mallina
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sundisco Hmm, so dosn't this mean that every Gallente HAC / Gallente Cruiser would get wiped out by the vagabond easy?
pretty much
speed gives too much of an advantage atm in some situations
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Lakotnik
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:10:00 -
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Deimos fitted with rails, dual web, tracking comp, tracking enhancers and some magstabs in addition to a bit of tank/plate could make standard vaga run. Killing it is out of question.
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