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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:38:08 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Arkanon We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.
If that's how LAN parties look if they go bad, i can only wish they do so more often. :)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Arkanon
Originally by: Alumion I have a question that I'm sure many would like to hear an answer for.
Do the devs (and GMs) playing the game have any obligation to uncover EULA violations they may find? I have good reason to believe that at least one alliance have deliberately crashed the node on several occasions to gain an unfair advantage. If there were devs in that alliance -and supposedly there are in every big alliance- they must have knew of this. Why did nothing happened? What will be the IA division's policy on employees turning a blind eye on EULA violations?
I'm sorry, but I have real problems picturing a dev intentionally crashing a node. Even if he/she would ignore the added workload and problems created by this for others in CCP, this would not be forgiven, if found out. We're a company of professionals, not some LAN party gone bad.
You misunderstood the question i think. As far as i see it he is asking: Would a dev come into trouble if he had the knowledge of the alliance he is a member in causing such stuff and not report it. He didn't ask wether devs may crash nodes. =)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: vipeer How can BOB login whole fleets after node crashes before a single ASCN pilot logs into the game?
Explained here.
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 18:53:00 -
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What i ask now will most probably be ignored.
However i do feel the need to ask it, as i feel it is a quite sensible question to ask, and if answered correctly can help people trust you more again.
You claim the privacy policy is there to protect the individual involved. Does that mean that if an individual would give you permission to make the informations regarding his case public, would you accept that permission or continue to "protect the individual" even ageinst their own wish?
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
Pardon me for making an observation here, but it seems to me that if the person in question really wants to make his own personal information available, then he can do that himself...doesn't need someone from CCP to do it.
If it's information not concerning himself though, then the best thing to do is always to just go to the right authorities about it.
They may be unable to, due to being banned, or they may not be fully informed on the details, having only been sent a form letter from which they can only guess at why they are actually banned.
Arkono, i'm sorry to be blunt, but you just managed to mark quite a lot people, including yourself as liars, as you just stated, that the reason for the privacy policy is not the protection of the person in question. I do however have to thank you for being honest about that and having the balls to actually say that out loud. It makes me feel good and hopeful about the work you will do in the future. (Absolutely no sarcasm here.)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:28:00 -
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Rules exist for a reason. By being there they accomplish a goal. Rules do not exist for the simple sake of existing, the same as a person is not innocent as long as they follow orders.
Up until now the stated intent of the rule about privacy, that disallows you from making informations about cases public, where punishment was rendered, was to protect the individual on which punishment was rendered.
Now if a person would clearly state that they do not wish to be protected, it invalidates the reason for the existence and enforcement of said privacy rule.
Further enforcement of it then makes it clear that said rule only exists for the sake of existing, or for a completely different reason.
As for how you would want make such information public... Well, i don't know if you noticed, but people are asking exactly why Kugutsumen is banned and why Molle is not banned. I'm pretty sure answering those questions in depth would do a lot to placate people and thus have a thoroughly positive effect on the whole situation.
Feel free to point out errors in my logic or things i missed if there are any. I do not claim to being infallible and above is simply my view on the whole situation. =)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:52:05 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
Edit: So you don't have to believe eve-search:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=3#78 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=5#132
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
That is posting personal informations?
I this like saying a players is called Mario and live in Italy. I am sure there is someone by that description, but no one will find him by that.
It can be constructed at theratening to expose the name of someone, so worth a warning and maybe a temporary ban but seem hardly whort the fuss on the divulged personal informations.
K. divulging of personal informations was on the same level? If so, a permaban for that is really excessive.
please note the last sentence. i am not sure if this under the rules of ccp is enough and i will not judge on that. however, that is the relevant evidence, that was being asked for multiple times by players and arkonor.
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Novina Agrari
Originally by: Xenofur please note the last sentence. i am not sure if this under the rules of ccp is enough and i will not judge on that. however, that is the relevant evidence, that was being asked for multiple times by players and arkonor.
Seems like Ark answered that at this point - what he's been given just doesn't indicate Molly did anything. If anyone were to have relevant evidence of this, it's Kug, and he'd certainly make it available to not-banned players to make a complaint.
Can't expect Ark to run around searching for the evidence of that kind of wrongdoing. He'd never get peace.
Sorry, i'm not so skilled in forum camping. At the time i was writing that post i hadn't yet seen Arkonor's reply.
Regarding the reply: While i do not want to accept an "haven't seen evidence", a "the evidence is not strong enough" is fully acceptable, thanks for that. =)
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 23:02:00
Originally by: Kraven Kor 2. A certain alliance has been punished for exploiting the "shoot through shields" bug (which was proven in a VIDEO, please someone post a link to said video I'm at work and can't find it.)
here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p0lylxTnw0 not much evidence-wise, as you can't read ****, but you could use it to get at the person and verify wether they petitioned. Originally by: Kraven Kor I got threatened with a ban when I asked for my petition to be escalated
Hm, shouldn't that more than justify an investigation? Also, think he would/should petition again? ^_^
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria I watched it 7 times now and I still can't see it proving anything...you can barely see ANYTHING. What am I missing?
see ship? ship in bubble. ship loses shield and armour and goes into hull while in POS bubble. explanation?
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 16/02/2007 01:58:28 Edited by: Xenofur on 16/02/2007 01:58:12
Originally by: Agillious If I'm watching an (American) football game, and a line judge misses a hold that let's in a touchdown, I don't expect the NFL to post an advertisement in every sports magazine announcing that referee's dismissal.
Well, i don't know how things are handled over the pond. But when a referee in german football cheats and is found out, then his firing IS going into the news...
(Not that i want t20 gone or anything. However i do have to wonder how the main developer of the ingame web browser has the powers to spawn items. :) )
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 17:35:00 -
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To whichever mod is doing the editing on SirMolle's posts:
You missed this part:
Originally by: SirMolle 5) Police wont be interested at all by this, however, since this person is a rl security consultant,
PS: good thing we have eve-search ^_^
PPS: so, SirMolle's posts warrant deletion and editing, but not disciplinary action and do not constitute enough evidence to be "personal information"?
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