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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel
The funny thing is that youre trying to act like yer NOT biased when you so obviously ARE
i will 100% admit I am biased.
I responded to the allegations of Ark being biased. -
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Habakookie
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lars Erlkonig Dear Arkanon, Thanks for answering some of my questions. Was interested to know who handles what, and to get a clearer idea of your roles. My most pressing question and concern however was not answered, so I'll ask again: Why did it take over 6 months for ill gotten BPO's to be removed?
/signed
If I see only one question addressed, it would be this one.
Because you know it looks like at this point, CCP?
It looks like the BPOs were only addressed once they were made public.
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Alumion
Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:00:00 -
[303]
Please answer at least that one question, you know we won't stop asking it until it's either answered or we're all banned
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Maj Woodcock
Minmatar United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:06:00 -
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Didn't read the whole post, just got back from a 3 day bussiness trip. All I can say is the lack of an ethics department and human resource department in your corp was a massive over site by your leadership. Hope it isn't too late to fix your problems.
They only way you can win our trust back is you MUST follow these words in EVERYTHING you do from now on:
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Vily
Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 14/02/2007 20:10:20 so please define what you mean by personal information so we can all understand and not breach the rules in the future
A 30 second search engine search using the parameters in that post and a couple within the context of the controversy led me to his full name and employer.
surely if the idea of having characters to be indentified by, and no personal information, that should mean NO personal information at all revealing a accounts holders first name, initial, employment and where they live is personal information, so where does the line get drawn?
Can I allude to when his birthday is, his marital staus wether he has children.. anything like that.
It seems that the rule of NO personal information has been watered down in this case to allow a well known player to avoid any punishment, maybe you should investigate who decided to loosen the rules for this one particular leader of an alliance... OOps maybe not that was YOU
You sir have just lost any confidence I had in you being fair and unbiased.
of course he has. He said something you didn't agree with!
he must be baised!
you asked for an answer and you finally got one. Just cause you didn't like it doesn't change anything behind it.
The funny thing is that youre trying to act like yer NOT biased when you so obviously ARE
Same could be said about you
Hell yes im biased. When did I say I wasnt biased? I just pointed out that one person whos noting the fact that another is biased in such a manner that if they are in fact biased then they must be wrong. Im one of those tinfoil hats who were so wrong to suggest that this even happened in the first place... Im one on those crazy unbalanced people who live in the fantasy world that where you act unethically at work and get caught you get fired. Im not the one calling ppl biased while trying to look ubiased... THIS IS MY SIG <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets see how long till this post lives... |
merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: merc999 on 14/02/2007 21:12:40
Originally by: Alumion Please answer at least that one question, you know we won't stop asking it until it's either answered or we're all banned
I think you will find that you will not get an answwr to that as Araken has stated he will not discuss past events, and he is not in that department any more.
And as we are not allowed to ask that anywhere else the answer I fear will not be forthcoming.
CCP want to hide this whole issue and pretend that it is all ok now, My concern is more now, that the person who investigated the T20 affair and associated events and has colluded with CCP to ensure that these questions cannot be asked/answered is the same person that in this thread denied seeing any proof, then changed the story and now says he saw the proof but did not deem it enough to take action. As the overseer of the T20 investigation he must have read the 106 pages of questions and concerns that the players have posted, but has deemed to ignore them and accpt CCP's decision to close all conversations on the issues.
Should this person be the Internal Affiars investigator, when he has problems understanding the rules and ensuring they are applied and clearly will follow whatever CCP informs him is in their best interest.
*EDIT* I raise this simply because Araken asks us to trust him to do his job, and will not reveal any results of his work, but so far I have seen no reason why i should place my faith in his judgement, but some at least instances were that judgement could be called into question
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Aiel on 14/02/2007 21:15:43 Unfortionately, thats true. dudes not here really to anwer the hard questions. Answering those questions arent in CCP's best interest. All hes here to do it seems is answer the vanilla questions that hes able to answer and ignore the rest. All the MAJOR questions ppl want answered in clear context WONT be answered because its NOT IN CCP'S BEST INTERESTS.
THIS IS MY SIG <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets see how long till this post lives... |
toeslammer
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: toeslammer What can you say to us to allow us to start the trust again?
We have given assurances of as much transparency as possible within the guidelines of the privacy policy, a Dev Blog from the CEO, a number of statements on the forums, an apology from t20 and an introductory blog from the Director of IA. I'm not sure what else you are after.
I have thought about this a lot.
I honestly don't think there is anything you CAN do that will satisfy a lot of players.
Once Pandora's box has been opened, it is too late.
Unfortunately, this cloud will hang over CCP and Eve for a long, long time.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.14 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 14/02/2007 21:43:34
Originally by: merc999
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:52:05 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
Edit: So you don't have to believe eve-search:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=3#78 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=5#132
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
That is posting personal informations?
I this like saying a players is called Mario and live in Italy. I am sure there is someone by that description, but no one will find him by that.
It can be constructed at theratening to expose the name of someone, so worth a warning and maybe a temporary ban but seem hardly whort the fuss on the divulged personal informations.
K. divulging of personal informations was on the same level? If so, a permaban for that is really excessive.
Stating their first name, their surname initial, where they live and their profession is revealing personal information
From a previsuous post in the 106 page thread, and a linked goggle thread the name you are referrin at is one of his characters, I don't know if that is his real name, but if he using it as a fictional character name it is in error. Yes, referring to his work is bad, but then even referring as T20 as a GM is an EULA violation (even more serious as it specific the compay he work for). And whole nation is a big place.
Again I reiterate, it is easily read as a menace to reveal personal data, and as such it can be punished, but not as revealing personal data. There is a difference.
Edit: re redad last sentence. True, but I can judge only from what I see (so I don't knoe what K did in that regard).
Sorry for derailing the thread - this will stop here for me.
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Bratacus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Bratacus on 14/02/2007 22:08:24
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 16:52:05 @ CCP Arkanon:
relevant posts:
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=453749&author=SirMolle
Edit: So you don't have to believe eve-search:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=3#78 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=453749&page=5#132
i'm sure there is more in other places. i have heard mentions of molle actually telling people to call kug's company. might want to look on scrapheap-challenge for that.
make of that what you will. =)
So CCP and you are quit happy of the use of veiled threats?
I'm sorry but every answer you give simply makes me truly wonder what kind of office ethics you have or run. seemingly none like Sirmolle.
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Akyra C
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Akyra C on 14/02/2007 22:29:10 Dear sir,
Let me please repeat my question for no answer was given: Who and under what procedures is able to access my personal details including - billing address, cc number, account properties, characters present on account, ip address used to connect both to game servers and access the forums. What are set procedures and rules which govern disclosure of those to the third-party ? I`m asking those questions since recent event have shown that all of those are in risk of being compromised if i resubscribe to your service, i.e. ISD moderator accessing ip addresses/ characters on account, developer under certain curcumstances accessing information on account who petitioned him etc.
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Pelendava
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:35:00 -
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The Terms of Service read:
Quote: You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberÆs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
Given SirMolle communicated Kugu's personal information here, when can we expect SirMolle to be punished?
Please note that the ToS do not mention how much personal information can be revealed, only that you may not post any personal information. Posting Kugu's first name and country count as "personal information", so SirMolle broke the ToS and should be punished. |
JOSEPHx
Caldari Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:36:00 -
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WOOP WOOP thats the sound of tha police.
Hello arkanon, possibly the most important question i believe so far, will you be eating more doughnuts and drinking coffee before putting the beat down on your co-workers wit yo nightstick?
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vily on 14/02/2007 22:35:41
Originally by: Pelendava The Terms of Service read:
Quote: You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberÆs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
Given SirMolle communicated Kugu's personal information here, when can we expect SirMolle to be punished?
Please note that the ToS do not mention how much personal information can be revealed, only that you may not post any personal information. Posting Kugu's first name and country count as "personal information", so SirMolle broke the ToS and should be punished.
(sigh)
get a clue please, reading is good!
ie. read his last post. -
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MrDisposable
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: MrDisposable on 14/02/2007 22:42:31 I too find this disconcerting. While I am happy that there has been a CCP action by appointing you as the "IA guy" the mere fact that someone like Sir Molle is allowed to continue play is not comforting.
I trust that having an impeccable sense of right and wrong as your colleges have suggested will bring you to the only suitable course of action. He has broken the EULA and put someones personal and professional life endanger. DO NOT MAKE LIGHT OF THIS Need I remind you of certain incidents (Newer Case)to fully state the seriousness of this?
Just the fact that Sir Molle was able to find out this real world information about another player worries me.
Thanks for reading and good luck on the new assignment. ______________ BoB Alts
"This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!"
"Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve." |
Pelendava
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 14/02/2007 22:35:41
Originally by: Pelendava The Terms of Service read:
Quote: You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberÆs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
Given SirMolle communicated Kugu's personal information here, when can we expect SirMolle to be punished?
Please note that the ToS do not mention how much personal information can be revealed, only that you may not post any personal information. Posting Kugu's first name and country count as "personal information", so SirMolle broke the ToS and should be punished.
(sigh)
get a clue please, reading is good!
ie. read his last post.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO ^^ Sorry for the non-typical un-fanboi post, but this is real **** man. CCP isn't getting off that easy and I still have 3 days till my accounts run dry. Anyone want a Mini with 14m sp in gunnery?
If you're serious, I'll put it to use Lugal, although I think you're just being unhappy despite the volume of answers and replies we've gotten. I've seen more in this post than in several months from other companies.
If you don't want to send me the char, just send me the stuff.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Kraven Kor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:54:00 -
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I know that CCP staff can't / won't discuss many of the answers being sought here, so let me put it this way.
Until I hear from "other sources" that:
1. The cynonet issue, and the devs knowledge of it, has led to some type of, either A. Punishment of account sharing characters, or B. A modification of the EULA concerning account sharing, since it is apparently necessary for successful alliance operations.
2. A certain alliance has been punished for exploiting the "shoot through shields" bug (which was proven in a VIDEO, please someone post a link to said video I'm at work and can't find it.)
3. A certain incident involving an ISD event and one alliance getting a mothership has been investigated.
4. I hear something which convinces me there has been no impropriety regarding alliance tournaments (namely, the one where the rules changed mid-tourny in relation to the Dev who runs the tournaments apparently being in BoB / TAOSP -- I make no judgement of the truth here, this is just another question being glossed over which I will not be satisfied until I get an answer, even if from a third party source.)
Also, the censoring of GM conversations only serves to hamper uniform handling of player concerns and complaints. I can understand privacy concerns in not "naming and shaming" banned characters and such, but I think that this "no discussion of GM decisions" is a bad policy.
BoB shouldn't need to cheat to win, yet there are many many instances where they have used shady "meta-gaming" stuff that it lends credibility to accusations that they actually do cheat.
Not to mention the nearly irrefutable video and text evidence of them cheating is enough, and I don't even have to go to "that guy's" blog to find such evidence. BoB cheats, at least some of them do, the evidence is out and it seems CCP is doing nothing. And I used to very much defend BoB against allegations they had devs or cheated (once I accepted that corp infiltration was "working as intended" per CCP.) I know CCP won't say "we banned 50 members of BoB today" but I'll hear of it through the grapevine if it happens. And, if it doesn't, that means CCP is condoning cheating or worse -- condoning only the cheating of certain corporations or players. The PROOF is there of at least a few issues, and it is obvious that currently those issues are not being addressed.
Add that to the completely unacceptable handling of many of my petitions (I got threatened with a ban when I asked for my petition to be escalated, after losing a ship stuck on a gate where 40 other players had to be moved by GM's and then I was told "our logs show nothing" and they refused to reimburse) and you can see why some of us have little faith in CCP right now
----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker |
Mongo Smith
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:55:00 -
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@Arkanon:
Apologies if this has already been answered, I've speed read your replies and could not see an answer to this:
Question: Given that your tools rely heavily on logs, and that devs are programmers/database techs what's to stop a dev to simply cover his tracks by either silently editing the database or deleting the log entries?
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Fabienne Runestar
Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:59:00 -
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If Kugu is perma banned how can he petition the release of his personal information? Sort of a catch22 there isn't it...
That's not my real question though. You mention pouring over logs and reviewing their content. For your sake as well as ours, that your logs document any changes CCP staff make to any post in these forums. If they delete text, the text that is deleted needs to be preserved in some fashion else it is pointless to petition ISD abuse on the forums. All they have to do is change what they changed and poof, its all better.
As I stated earlier I had a 'funny sig' that was deleted from my account because it mentioned moderation. Fair enough but no warning was given to me about it, it just disappeared. I thought I'd done something wrong, and some how erased it, so I added it back. later Hutch took the time remove it again and add ISD comments as to why it was removed. I can respect that, the first person who removed it though, has no respect because they didn't tell me why they did it.
Is there a way to track who removed the sig the first time, and remind them they need to comment their removals to the player base? If so grand! If not then you might as well give them free reign to edit and change any post on these forums as they see fit without any oversight at all.
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Rinumittin
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: MrDisposable Just the fact that Sir Molle was able to find out this real world information about another player worries me.
He hacked their forums and you're worried about that BoBs admin were able to trace the hacker? Nevermind the fact that he'd been known by that name by goonswarm already. I don't think that is something you have to worry about. :) |
Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 14/02/2007 23:02:00
Originally by: Kraven Kor 2. A certain alliance has been punished for exploiting the "shoot through shields" bug (which was proven in a VIDEO, please someone post a link to said video I'm at work and can't find it.)
here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p0lylxTnw0 not much evidence-wise, as you can't read ****, but you could use it to get at the person and verify wether they petitioned. Originally by: Kraven Kor I got threatened with a ban when I asked for my petition to be escalated
Hm, shouldn't that more than justify an investigation? Also, think he would/should petition again? ^_^
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: MrDisposable Edited by: MrDisposable on 14/02/2007 22:43:54 faulty link.
What have you linked, as it has crashed my IE 2 times?
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Mongo Smith
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: MrDisposable Edited by: MrDisposable on 14/02/2007 22:43:54 faulty link.
What have you linked, as it has crashed my IE 2 times?
He has miss linked it:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/here%20you%20go:%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p0lylxTnw0
Try this link
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Naqisaki
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:15:00 -
[325]
Here is the video
Passive Targeters.
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MrDisposable
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:25:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: MrDisposable Edited by: MrDisposable on 14/02/2007 22:43:54 faulty link.
What have you linked, as it has crashed my IE 2 times?
Weird... I have no issues with it, then again I don't use IE. That said I am at a loss for why it would crash; I don't know alot about computer languages (html included).
Basically they are both instances of murders over MMORPGs. While hacking someone's identity and killing them I do not think has occurred in an MMO yet, I think it is only a matter of time. Given EvE being one of the more hardcore MMOs I think it is more plausible here (as opposed to WoW fluffy land of inconsequential actions) ______________ BoB Alts
"This isn't about Dev misconduct.... ban the Ctrl+q'rs! They are the real problem behind it ALL!!!!!"
"Devs stole BPOs for the good of eve." |
Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Akyra C Edited by: Akyra C on 14/02/2007 22:29:10 Dear sir,
Let me please repeat my question for no answer was given: Who and under what procedures is able to access my personal details including - billing address, cc number, account properties, characters present on account, ip address used to connect both to game servers and access the forums. What are set procedures and rules which govern disclosure of those to the third-party ? I`m asking those questions since recent event have shown that all of those are in risk of being compromised if i resubscribe to your service, i.e. ISD moderator accessing ip addresses/ characters on account, developer under certain curcumstances accessing information on account who petitioned him etc.
There is no rules to disclose that kind of information unless it's an agent of the authorities..you know like...cops. And they have a legal warrent for it.
None of that information is at risk of being compromised, but if you somehow fantasized yourself into thinking it is, then by all means, don't re-subscribe. Personally though, I think you're trolling. - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fabienne Runestar If Kugu is perma banned how can he petition the release of his personal information? Sort of a catch22 there isn't it...
That's not my real question though. You mention pouring over logs and reviewing their content. For your sake as well as ours, that your logs document any changes CCP staff make to any post in these forums. If they delete text, the text that is deleted needs to be preserved in some fashion else it is pointless to petition ISD abuse on the forums. All they have to do is change what they changed and poof, its all better.
As I stated earlier I had a 'funny sig' that was deleted from my account because it mentioned moderation. Fair enough but no warning was given to me about it, it just disappeared. I thought I'd done something wrong, and some how erased it, so I added it back. later Hutch took the time remove it again and add ISD comments as to why it was removed. I can respect that, the first person who removed it though, has no respect because they didn't tell me why they did it.
Is there a way to track who removed the sig the first time, and remind them they need to comment their removals to the player base? If so grand! If not then you might as well give them free reign to edit and change any post on these forums as they see fit without any oversight at all.
I think it is possible, as I remeber a player saying that was still possible to find deleted/modified posts in the old form trough a research in the forums. The database preserve the old form too, and there is some system to recover that (you should search for that old inf, as I don't recall the specifics).
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D'an Y'eal
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Proxay Guys, believe it or not, it's a computer game *shock*
g-dammit! I'm am so sick-to-hell of hearing this stupid argument. You mean I thought the way this gets resolved would end world hunger?
Quote:
With that in mind; you're not buying shares in Microsoft, so quit the freaking witch-hunt, one guy made some bpos, and i dont care if he was d2, MM, Goon, RA, LV, BoB whatever; he did the wrong thing and was punished to a level deemed enough by ccp.
You know what, I don't care what he did either. I care what CCP did about it. They didn't follow their own stated procedure, fire the bastard. The WHOLE point is that CCP condones cheating and uneven enforcement of their own rules. Prove me wrong!
The rest snipped for obvious fan-boism. Let me rebound some more of the tripe the kool-aid drinkers here like to throw at us: Step away from the forums Get in front of a mirror Breath slowly and repeat to yourself 5 times "the game I love is developed by cheaters" Still don't feel any better? Repeat ----------------- Read This |
Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Naqisaki Here is the video
Passive Targeters.
I watched it 7 times now and I still can't see it proving anything...you can barely see ANYTHING. What am I missing? - New sig in the workings -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....*steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr* >_> |
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