While funny, I'd like to point out how counter productive this is. EVERY time there is a change (good or bad) people start talking about the end of EVE and "minus a million accounts!!" and such. Eventually it has a 'crying wolf' affect on people, especially CCP.

Right now Rise and Co. are probably sitting back thinking "hmm, usual end of the world/game hurf blurf, that must mean the idea is fine". This is why I'm careful to say that a change is bad on it's one merits but it probably won't kill the game, like skill trading (which I continue to oppose).

Anger is natural but it doesn't serve to change the minds of the powers that be. Reason does (sometimes lol).

The only question I'm interested in is how they will adjust the number of SP awarded per day. I see it as a matter of balance at this point.

It's not a stretch of the imagination to understand the benefit of awarding SP for kills eventually. Based on material costs perhaps. In that scenario, value for PLEX kills wouldn't increase the SP reward. Seems like a good measure of contributing to game activity.

Maybe the SP reward could be set by a 75% reduction of benefit compared to Injectors, so for killing an injector's going rate you get 25% of the highest SP tier (150k SP) which would be 30k or so.

This proposed SP reward for killing one NPC is very high, balanced only by the daily limit of 1. In terms of value killed vs SP it's ridiculous.

Those players who accepted the logic that SP in Injectors was earned by someone might agree that SP awarded for kills is ok when it is a result of removing value from the game through destruction.

What 27% of base daily sp to much or to little

How would you account for injectors fluctuating in price of it ever happened

Also is it everyone on the kill that get a split like with bounties or is it the final blow?

To be honest I don't think any feed back in this thread will stop this change ccp knows is not going to be what many players want but they also know there is enough of them that will do dailies to achieve the goal

There was a comment some pages ago where a player was unhappy about the prospect of logging in ten accounts to run dailies. For some time now I've suspected the business model is moving away from account-heavy players to single-account players who are more active. Just consider for a second that multiple accounts is very unnatural for a video game. And that perhaps if you can bring EVE back to a new normal where you are only balancing for one character per player, maybe that's a good idea.

There are some huge discomforts to experience with one character, and maybe those are the items you would want to tackle first.

Personally I think eventually we'll see EVE limited to one account logged in at a time, as a matter of policy.

Goblin had a good system where he paid out based on the percent damage on a killmail.

SP rewarded would need to be a rolling figure based on the trading price of PLEX.

Now this defiantly favors older players over newer ones

And what I meant by the price not being set is what if some group tanks the market price of injectors in order to exploit this. Not saying it's likely or easy but it is a possibility to be accounted for

be a serious rework of mechanics/rules if they were to limit to 1 account at a time, having to ask other for cyno's etc will create chaos

Considering that SP and by extension Injectors are the crack cocaine of EVE I don't see this type of manipulation being possible. Local manipulation was solved with Forex, and the Greater EVE Market Cabal is only so good at manipulation either. The group you're imagining would need more market pull and coordination than anyone in EVE ever.

I think people said a similar thing about anyone buying enough to max out a toon

CCP you are probably going to implement this, no matter how much negative feedback you get.

However, before you do I ask you to consider this from the persective of new players ( who I belive this is aimed at ).


The thrill and lure of eve is not from quicker skill progression or shooting a predetermined rat to get a daily gift.


Eve is a universe. A complex one and a dangerous one.

The sense of achievement comes from accomplishing real goals in this universe:


The first trip into lawless space...

The shakes you get in your first pvp fight...

The sense of overwhelming incredulity as you make your first solo kill...

Venturing into a wormhole that says "deadly"...


If anything, new kids should be rewarded with "skills" for hitting these amazing life stages.

Not for undocking to kill some random hisec NPC.


Make eve better. Make the beginning of the game mean something.

Hey CPP,

Where do I hand in my 15 Boar Asses? I need to keep Azeroth, I mean New Eden, safe!

As someone with 130m sp I support this. I do believe that maybe the rewards could be banked over a 3 day period and some of the requirements could be modified to make the act of obtaining the SP more dangerous. But over all the ability to actually be rewarded for activity (which is apparently casual?) is not bad as long as it does not become main stay. It will encourage more interaction and allow new players to feel like their activity has slightly more value.

The only issue I really see with this is the compulsive need for min maxers to log on daily even when they do not want to. Otherwise I see no issue - it is just another incentive. In regards to the argument of "making sp out of nowhere" - well; whenever a skill injector is used it can possible destroy up 400k SP into thin air.

Most of the negativity with this seems to just be a twitch reaction of "ermg its a daily from WoW".

But again just because someone plays logged in why should they be rewarded over someone who plays logged out.

This is coming from someone who logged in 285 days last year (at least that's what my api says)