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Commander Spurty
Moosearmy I N F A M O U S
1621
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Posted - 2016.04.11 15:55:32 -
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Better give me something for logging in when the people I want to shoot are being told to not log in and let their subscriptions lapse.
Remain logged out, miss out. This is nothing new. CCP's been doing it with releases for ages now.
Sample (something like this did happen) "All active accounts during this update will receive 10 Gecko drones" - you really want every account ever made, including all of those spammer accounts to be rewarded like this? Apparently so.
Rewarding those that interact in the World is not only fair, it's "about time".
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Spurty
Moosearmy I N F A M O U S
1621
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Posted - 2016.04.11 15:55:32 -
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Better give me something for logging in when the people I want to shoot are being told to not log in and let their subscriptions lapse.
Remain logged out, miss out. This is nothing new. CCP's been doing it with releases for ages now.
Sample (something like this did happen) "All active accounts during this update will receive 10 Gecko drones" - you really want every account ever made, including all of those spammer accounts to be rewarded like this? Apparently so.
Rewarding those that interact in the World is not only fair, it's "about time".
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Meryl SinGarda
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
919
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Posted - 2016.04.11 16:03:06 -
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Can we change the title of this thread to "Change? Grrrr CCP, I'm scared"
GÖÑ Intergalactic Serial Killer GÖÑ
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Meryl SinGarda
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
919
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Posted - 2016.04.11 16:12:03 -
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Like seriously, the only reason this game doesn't have any major revolutionary changes to gameplay is because every single time CCP tries to do something majorly different, people cry and whine about it and then we have the same stagnating content for the next 5 years
GÖÑ Intergalactic Serial Killer GÖÑ
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
82
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Posted - 2016.04.11 16:14:40 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Can we change the title of this thread to "Change? Grrrr CCP, I'm scared" To recall, before CCP introduced an extension to the 24hr skill queue, Eve arguably had dailies--punishing ones at that, if you didn't update the queue.
Shoot an NPC, get SP, is something anyone can quick pick up and do. Sure, you may 'fall behind' on daily 10,000 SP, but it's hardly the same as time lost not updating a skill queue.
'One night hauler' The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
964
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Posted - 2016.04.11 16:43:55 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Like seriously, the only reason this game doesn't have any major revolutionary changes to gameplay is because every single time CCP tries to do something majorly different, people cry and whine about it and then we have the same stagnating content for the next 5 years
Right. An uninspired, repetitive and bland "log in -> get candy" mechanic is certainly a revolutionary development in gameplay and worthy of everyones support.
It would be a wholly different matter if there were "major revolutionary changes to gameplay" with the focus on the word "gameplay". Logging in to kill a single rat every day is as much gameplay as pushing the same button over and over and over. So, not at all, really. |
Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy
126
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Posted - 2016.04.11 16:55:28 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Ugh, please. Times are changing, EVE is changing. You want this game to be around in 10 years? Well, then the game has to adapted to new generations of audiences. This is one of those adaptions and it's hardly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. You get like 3 million SP a YEAR if you do your little thing every day. Big whoop, who cares.
There's a point where adapting to a new market means gutting every core concept the game has advertised. Take some of the newer Legend of Zelda games, for instance. In the olden days, they were decently cryptic and didn't hold your hand. You had to know where to burn a bush, where to get a ladder, etc. You had to figure it out. Newer LoZ games hold your hand on goddamn everything. It's no longer a matter of how well you can figure it out, it's a matter of how well you can follow directions.
Then you have a franchise like Dark Souls that says "screw the newer audience and their hand-holding" and beats you in the face until you start to like it. Eve should remain unique, not pandering to the lowest common denominator of "do dailies, grind currency, obtain phat lootz".
I'm against dailies in any game. |
Phased Plasma
32
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Posted - 2016.04.11 17:57:07 -
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Personally I don't even like the way ccp are catering towards new bros. When I started it was hard, I didn't search up how to guides or anything I just figured it out myself. Done the tutorials which show you enough of what you need to know in eve: How to travel, how to do basic combat, and how to accept missions.
It was hard for me but that's what kept me to eve, there is nothing like a game that is actually hard and challenges you. There is no fun in the game teaching you every single thing you need/want to know. The real fun gameplay is figuring stuff out, learning from mistakes etc.
I liked that a low amount of players actually stuck to eve because 9/10 times the people that stuck to it where the good people, and the 14 day trial almost served as a vetting processes, scaring away all the bitches and pansies and gave us good, solid players that would stay long term.
Follow me at @PhasedPlasma
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
964
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Posted - 2016.04.11 18:04:21 -
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This isn't even catering to newbies. This is catering to kids with an attention span of a goldfish. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
331
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Posted - 2016.04.11 18:17:55 -
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Neuntausend wrote:With how it's proposed, they aren't rewarding players for being active. They are rewarding them for logging each character in for a minute.
If this goes live in this form, I'll just make sure that each one of my accounts has all 3 character slots used and log them out in a belt. That way, I just need to log in, target, hit F1, log out. 30k SP per account and day for doing nothing beyond logging in for a minute. After a couple of weeks, I can just extract and sell. What a great deal of activity and content, right?
So you think that every belt will have a rat waiting for you? Really?
I'm loving the optimism. |
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
964
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Posted - 2016.04.11 18:20:12 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:So you think that every belt will have a rat waiting for you? Really?
I'm loving the optimism.
In Nullsec, the spawnrate is pretty decent. There may be a miss here and there, but so what? Warp to the next Belt, kill a rat there, log out. Adds 30 seconds to the :effort:. |
Maia Kundoshi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.04.11 20:49:39 -
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I only read the first page, so sry if I'm echoing someone else.
And sry to 'trample' a bit on the majority line of thinking (or it seems like it)
But I'm a 'new player' , I played 2 months a few years ago and am back (unrelated), and have 0 desire to do those dailies. I have a 500k sp injector sitting in my stuff I can claim, unused. Why? I wouldnt even know where or what to use it own. I'm learning the game. And real NEW player, would be in the same boat. There's very LITTLE incentive for us to try and max out SP gains when it isn't even clear what the whole deal about sp is in the first place. We're way too preoccupied by missions, combat sites, exploration, low-sec/high-sec/null-sec, inventions, the market, mining, salvaging, ghost sites (i can keep going for a while....)
Most of the people that are going to jump unto those sps are non-newb players. Those either at the top that are panicking they won't stay on top much longer, or those mid-pack and above that want to reach the top.
So stop saying its too lure in new players and that new players are bad etc... new players are the best thing that can happen to EVE. CCP is milking YOU. They know their player base. They know you like the math, that you counted and added the numbers up, and that you now feel obligated to go and do the dailys and buy the injectors.
So really,..... the dailies arent bad, just dont do them. Stop feeling obliged to do them, you arent. And if someone does them... so what? Don't you want more players with stupid expensive ships to fight, more great wars, more great battles.
I'm thinking this is especially alluring to risky players that lose skills getting blown up in T3s (heard you lose skills when you die in those, not sure) - this makes things faster for them to get their skills back.
Why all the hate on this? What does it REALLY change?? Noobs are NOT benifiting from this, believe me. New alts from vet players are. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
966
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Posted - 2016.04.11 20:57:20 -
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^^^
See? This person is the type of new player we need. Not the kind that wants everything right now right away so they can be done with the game as quickly as possible.
You got one thing wrong, though - the whales with crazy expensive ships and no knowledge whatsoever aren't the ones taking part in the great wars and great battles you speak of. Most of the time, they don't take part in the game at all, until they get ganked, start a threadnought in the forums and ragequit. That's because they play the game for the "pixelrewards", not for having fun playing the game. |
Dani Gallar
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:00:52 -
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Maia Kundoshi wrote:I only read the first page, so sry if I'm echoing someone else.
And sry to 'trample' a bit on the majority line of thinking (or it seems like it)
But I'm a 'new player' , I played 2 months a few years ago and am back (unrelated), and have 0 desire to do those dailies. I have a 500k sp injector sitting in my stuff I can claim, unused. Why? I wouldnt even know where or what to use it own. I'm learning the game. And real NEW player, would be in the same boat. There's very LITTLE incentive for us to try and max out SP gains when it isn't even clear what the whole deal about sp is in the first place. We're way too preoccupied by missions, combat sites, exploration, low-sec/high-sec/null-sec, inventions, the market, mining, salvaging, ghost sites (i can keep going for a while....)
Most of the people that are going to jump unto those sps are non-newb players. Those either at the top that are panicking they won't stay on top much longer, or those mid-pack and above that want to reach the top.
So stop saying its too lure in new players and that new players are bad etc... new players are the best thing that can happen to EVE. CCP is milking YOU. They know their player base. They know you like the math, that you counted and added the numbers up, and that you now feel obligated to go and do the dailys and buy the injectors.
So really,..... the dailies arent bad, just dont do them. Stop feeling obliged to do them, you arent. And if someone does them... so what? Don't you want more players with stupid expensive ships to fight, more great wars, more great battles.
I'm thinking this is especially alluring to risky players that lose skills getting blown up in T3s (heard you lose skills when you die in those, not sure) - this makes things faster for them to get their skills back.
Why all the hate on this? What does it REALLY change?? Noobs are NOT benifiting from this, believe me. New alts from vet players are.
This +1 ... there's literally nothing I have to add to this post.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
966
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:04:05 -
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And that all being said - the dailies won't change much, if anything at all. But why would I be rooting for a pointless, lazy and uninspired addition to the game, that will give us nothing?
After all, I really like this game, and care about it somewhat. |
Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy
128
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:11:24 -
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Neuntausend wrote:And that all being said - the dailies won't change much, if anything at all. But why would I be rooting for a pointless, lazy and uninspired addition to the game, that will give us nothing?
After all, I really like this game, and care about it somewhat.
I'm getting the idea that you find every post you make to be an epiphany or a revelation to someone. You probably stare at yourself in the mirror, don't you? |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
966
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:13:06 -
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Kamahl Daikun wrote:I'm getting the idea that you find every post you make to be an epiphany or a revelation to someone. You probably stare at yourself in the mirror, don't you?
I do not own a mirror, but people keep telling me I am gorgeous. What's your point? |
Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy
128
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:15:07 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Kamahl Daikun wrote:I'm getting the idea that you find every post you make to be an epiphany or a revelation to someone. You probably stare at yourself in the mirror, don't you? I do not own a mirror, but people keep telling me I am gorgeous. What's your point?
I was just curious if you'd admit to being full of yourself. This is usually where I'd make a clever jab but I want to see where this is going first. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
966
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:16:39 -
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Kamahl Daikun wrote:I was just curious if you'd admit to being full of yourself. This is usually where I'd make a clever jab but I want to see where this is going first.
I am, and rightfully so. Does that offend you? |
Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy
132
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:17:39 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Kamahl Daikun wrote:I was just curious if you'd admit to being full of yourself. This is usually where I'd make a clever jab but I want to see where this is going first. I am, and rightfully so. Does that offend you?
I don't see why it would offend me. You seem to be the only person with that much faith in yourself. Rock on, spaceman. |
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
966
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:20:07 -
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And here I was hoping it would. But thanks anyway. |
Kamahl Daikun
Back To Basics. Tactical Supremacy
132
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:22:23 -
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Neuntausend wrote:And here I was hoping it would. But thanks anyway.
You're cute. I'd lock you in my closet and beat you randomly throughout the day. Doesn't that sound nice? |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
966
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:23:29 -
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You are welcome to try.
On a different matter - don't you think we are derailing the thread a bit, darling? |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
199
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:28:55 -
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Maia Kundoshi wrote:So really,..... the dailies arent bad, just dont do them. Stop feeling obliged to do them, you arent. And if someone does them... so what? Don't you want more players with stupid expensive ships to fight, more great wars, more great battles.
I'm thinking this is especially alluring to risky players that lose skills getting blown up in T3s (heard you lose skills when you die in those, not sure) - this makes things faster for them to get their skills back.
Why all the hate on this? What does it REALLY change?? Noobs are NOT benifiting from this, believe me. New alts from vet players are.
You should have seen the ruckus they did when they announced the Skill Injectors. Many people deleted their characters out of disgust, others said it would kill EVE.
Bunch of drama llamas!
And while you as a new player don't fully appreciate the potential and usefulness of Skill Points, down the line in the mid-game of your career you will be scrounging for them and looking back in regret at some of your earlier career choices. |
Maia Kundoshi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.04.11 21:30:08 -
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... lol , there's no way to delete a post? |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
331
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Posted - 2016.04.11 22:29:35 -
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Maia Kundoshi wrote:... lol , there's no way to delete a post? (originally quickly stated awkwardness at conversation above Yarosara's post ^_^ )
I would have loved to make the post useful but I don't feel like I've played enough to warrant saying more than I already have :P It would risk me sounding like some self-entitled noob :P
I happen to think you're just a bitter self entitled vet hiding behind a noob account..but what do I know?
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Wexiz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.04.11 23:55:03 -
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Dailies do get boring quick in other games, if it's just 1 daily for 10k sp then it's not so bad.
I do wonder however if that would just be the start of dailies with more coming at a later date. |
Anton Karnak
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2016.04.12 00:35:34 -
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Pavlov's Dogs are drooling like mad. "But I don't want to do dailies." And yet some unknown force causes them to drool uncontrollably. Exercise free will
or
DROOL DOGS DROOL !!!!!! |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
967
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Posted - 2016.04.12 02:06:54 -
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Maia Kundoshi wrote:originally quickly stated awkwardness at conversation above Yarosara's post ^_^
I am awfully sorry, he can be like that. Some days I don't know why I married him. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1545
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Posted - 2016.04.12 03:09:46 -
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I don't see a problem with it. Giving people a reason to log in can't be bad.
It is even a well balanced idea as It will be more helpful to new players than older players and is accessible to everyone.
10k SP to a beginner who just needs to fit a module so they can do a mission or mine a rock a bit faster is good for the beginner and doesn't hurt anyone.
Older players will get the odd 45 day skill trained up few days faster - Not really a big deal.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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