Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Havok Pierce
Gallente Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 05:53:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Dawa Za I think a good balancing would be allow the titan to keep the immunity to EW but make a new high-fitting req module with the ability to stop cynoing which can't be blocked. This would need to be a difficult to use and fit (needing multiple copies of this module to stop a cyno) to avoid making it too easy to hold a titan, so basically a ship with one of these on wouldn't have room to do much else. Alternatively make a new T2 ship (a sort of anti-titan tackler, maybe T2 BS!) which can fit this module and other anti-capital ship stuff.
X-Wings, maybe?
|
Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 05:59:00 -
[62]
cut the damage by 50%. BS survive, taking heavy damage, support dies, enemy fleet warps in on weakened fleet and has a field day.
To the idiots talking about gimped setups, is your setup not gimped since you go instapop when a ddd goes off and he doesn't? Aterall, does he actually get to shoot his "gimped" guns? While you're at it get some balls and warp to zero on there fleets. Sniping is lame.
|
Kellzz
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 06:32:00 -
[63]
what it boils down to, is that the whiners want a paper/rock/scissors system for everything.
frig vs BS, paper rock scissors, or whoever shot first wins.
|
Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 09:29:00 -
[64]
They should create a new ship that is a capital interdictor.
It prevents all warps and all jumps off any ships on grid... basically, it arrives and you fight to the death unless you can fly off the grid or get to a gate.... or you survive long enough for the bubble to collapse (bubble lasts 15 min and works 1 time per hour).
Then there would at least be a way to kill a mothership and titan, as well as a great new way to inflict massive casualties on your enemy in a fleet battle.
|
Yolandia
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 10:32:00 -
[65]
Don't know if a titan is really thaaat invincible. Don't know if the DD is overpowered. But I strongly believe that it should be far more probable destroy a titan "on purpose", by using the right tactics and fleet, than for it to be destroyed due to a bug, e.g., TQ connection loss or client crash.
So IMO the huge ISK and skill needs for a titan should be rewarded rather with other capabilities other than with near-invincibility...
|
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 11:26:00 -
[66]
whatever. i just want a titan. it must be so awesome to strike fear into the hearts of entire fleets just by logging on. *snip* Sig not appropriate please email [email protected] linking the sig to find out why - hutch
|
Valea Silpha
Death Monkey's With Knives Freelancer Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 11:46:00 -
[67]
I think that if dictor bubbles weren't smartbombable and that cap ships didn't disappear when logged off, or had a MUCH bigger timer it would be perfect.
Or maybe need a capital docking structure to disappear...
Either way, titans aren't over powered. They are supremely limited in their application ...
Doomesday devices do slaptastic damage, but being a one off shot is balanced, and only really effective against non-cap ships.
I feel that them being able to warp off pretty much whenever is a bit broken, but i think thats more of a mothership problem than a titan one.
People do loose titans, and that enough prooves that they can't be too over powered. Enough said really...
<Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head |
Bal' Hed
Caldari Brotherhood of Wolves Astral Wolves
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 12:04:00 -
[68]
I really do think titans should be WTFOMGMYWHOLEALLIANCEJUSTDIEDPWNERIZEDTOBITS.
ALTHOUGH- Giving them away as prizes is stupid- as the ability to field one SHOULD reflect your alliance's ability to BUILD one, not win a 5v5 tourney that only a marginal fraction of the playerbase in eve competes in...
Originally by: MrTripps How about Forum Drones? After you get popped they automatically log onto the forums and write a post demanding a nerf to whatever popped you.
|
smallgreenblur
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 12:13:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Sir Bart It prevents all warps and all jumps off any ships on grid... basically, it arrives and you fight to the death unless you can fly off the grid or get to a gate.... or you survive long enough for the bubble to collapse (bubble lasts 15 min and works 1 time per hour).
Cos capital ships fit through gates really well.
It's all good at the moment in my opinion, the only change i might make is give titans and MS a very very high warp strength, rather than complete immunity. I'm thinking 50 or so.
sgb
|
Neon Genesis
Gallente Aliastra
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 13:00:00 -
[70]
What about some kind of capital scrambler with say 50-100 scrambling points (or whatever large number)? The smallest ship which can fit them being the carrier. Then give the titan like 1000 core strength or something.
Just an idea, and agreed essentially that titans are too hard to kill.
|
|
EPSILON DELTA
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 14:13:00 -
[71]
Yes... the 120billion ships that took alliances months of logistics to build is too hard to kill... you do realize not everything could be solved by the all-mighty blob, let alone a couple of BS? killing a titan requires month of planning and you will still proberbly fail, its not just another regular ship you can just camp and gank. -------------------------------------------------- Yes I'm a forum alt, what you going to do about it? |
Blitzkrieg
Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 14:13:00 -
[72]
Who has the most titans win Eve...
The OP is right about that only the large alliance like BoB-D2-MC-LV have the means to build them, it is fairly possible to see 2 or 3 more new BoB titans coming up in the next few months. Any group of players with 5 titans in their arsenal can lay waste to any large group of players. Now take one second and think about it. No other MMORPG gives as much power to a single player. In one click, 250 players vaporized. Something is broken indeed, the laws of mathematics are borked in Eve more than ever. 1 vs 250 = we shldnt have to guess who wins
And by the way, no small or middle weight alliances can deal with that kind of superpower...
|
Borasao
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 14:29:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Borasao on 16/02/2007 14:28:47 Edited by: Borasao on 16/02/2007 14:26:09 Titans will definitely cause a lot more turtling, that's for sure. Similarly, if your alliance doesn't have one but the one you are war with does, I'd imagine that it's fairly demoralizing not being able to do much as they roll over your POSs... field your fleet, get it DDD, and watch your POSs fall. Don't field your fleet and watch your POSs fall undefended.
Certainly it will push any alliance without a Titan out of 0.0 and since you can't build a Titan outside of 0.0... well... we'll all live in highsec except those who can join Titan armed alliances. So, there will be few 0.0 alliances and those there will all have Titans. They'll all be big, though. I dunno how much warring will go on after several alliances have multiple Titans... kind of like the Cold War and MAD all over again.
|
The Assyrian
Mound of Severed Heads
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 14:40:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Blitzkrieg Who has the most titans win Eve...
The OP is right about that only the large alliance like BoB-D2-MC-LV have the means to build them, it is fairly possible to see 2 or 3 more new BoB titans coming up in the next few months. Any group of players with 5 titans in their arsenal can lay waste to any large group of players. Now take one second and think about it. No other MMORPG gives as much power to a single player. In one click, 250 players vaporized. Something is broken indeed, the laws of mathematics are borked in Eve more than ever. 1 vs 250 = we shldnt have to guess who wins
And by the way, no small or middle weight alliances can deal with that kind of superpower...
That's not 1 vs 250 -- that's however many dozens/hundreds/thousands of people were involved in making the Titan possible vs 250.
At the present level of investment and skill, Titans are just fine. Want to kill one? Make the same investment. Get a pile of nano-naglfars, a few dozen nos domis, and a whole lot of dps and get to it.
|
Ajack Gun
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 14:55:00 -
[75]
I don't like any ida of giving Titans and Motherships a warpcore strength, what i'd rather see is tougher bubbels, maybe even the T2 battleships, rather than deploying a bubble like an interdictor wich can easily be popped by a smart bomb, make the Battleship itself the centre of the bubble, when activated nothing within Xkm can warp including the ship projecting it.
This then gives T2 battleships a specific role of capital tacklers, and stops the risk of them just becoming more powerful commandships,Hacs.
(to some extent this is also what i thought the Interdictors were going to do on first read of the description)
|
Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 15:03:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Kellzz what it boils down to, is that the whiners want a paper/rock/scissors system for everything.
frig vs BS, paper rock scissors, or whoever shot first wins.
Yeah, I'd much prefer it to be rock/paper/scissors/OMGWTFPWNEVERYTHINGDIES system.... ------
|
Taipan Gedscho
Taipan Industries
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 15:11:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Shadowsword CCP, you turned Eve into a "who gets more titans" game, and I doubt that's what you wanted. So, how about you rebalance them before they have too much an impact on 0.0?
this made me laugh.
im not sure, the biggest ship i ever built was a battleship, but im can imagine, that gettin more titans than the other guys requires quite some logistic work to do... you know... actually... building them. and its not as if this was easy. i bet.
so...all the stuff that happens in the background to get more titans than the other guys is actually quite ... interesting?
btw... ccp didnt actually invent the "cold war"
|
Helen
STK Scientific INVICTUS.
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 18:21:00 -
[78]
Cyno out why didn't I think of that...
|
Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 18:23:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Helen Cyno out why didn't I think of that...
So you could make history of course Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills |
Virger
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:11:00 -
[80]
The entire 'titans are unkillable' is out of the window, as BoB has killed its 2nd titan, D2's erebus.
|
|
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 19:16:00 -
[81]
Killing a logged off Titan is irrelevant to this thread. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types. |
Majin82
Caldari g guild
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Jon Hawkes I have no problem with the Doomsday Devices, but think that they should only be able to be activated by the Titan itself, not as a remote Cyno field. That way, the Titan has to at least show up to the battlefield before it can unleash merry Hell.
Signed!
At least reduce the power of the DDD if fired through a cyno field. I agree the Titan is suppose to be a powerhouse, it should just have to show up to *****everyone. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
Passive Drake For The Win |
Derran
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2007.02.16 22:28:00 -
[83]
For the OP, what about the drawbacks of the doomsday device? You haven't really touched on those. It has an one hour refire time and it takes up alot of fuel. This is also aside from the fact that it takes nearly 2 months to build at a huge cost. Lets also look how it takes between 1 1/2-2 months to train capital ship from 4 to 5, then another 2 weeks to train astrometrics from 4 to 5 to train for the doomsday device. If it didn't have this and had a huge damage bonus on it like you propose, no alliance in their right mind would even bother flying one. The capital weapons can't hit anything besides another capital ship and against a large enough opposing capital fleet (like say dreads in siege mode using 500% damage bonus) would completely annilihate this 100B epeen device. I also like to know if the damage increase bonus it was given recently has made it impossible for even the most heavily tanked BS to survive.
You are probably going to be screaming bloody murder if/when bombers come out with a weapon that is an anti-blob device too.
|
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2007.02.17 00:02:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Derran For the OP, what about the drawbacks of the doomsday device? You haven't really touched on those. It has an one hour refire time and it takes up alot of fuel.
Titans are rarely used out of systems that don't have a friendly POS, so fuel isn't really an obstacle.
Originally by: Derran
This is also aside from the fact that it takes nearly 2 months to build at a huge cost. Lets also look how it takes between 1 1/2-2 months to train capital ship from 4 to 5, then another 2 weeks to train astrometrics from 4 to 5 to train for the doomsday device.
I fail to see your point. Skill training time is a factor in ship blance now? Even if it was true, what about the global training time of the capital fleet supposed to kill the titan? 10*Carrier skill, 10*Dread skill, and so on...
Originally by: Derran
If it didn't have this and had a huge damage bonus on it like you propose, no alliance in their right mind would even bother flying one. The capital weapons can't hit anything besides another capital ship and against a large enough opposing capital fleet (like say dreads in siege mode using 500% damage bonus) would completely annilihate this 100B epeen device. I also like to know if the damage increase bonus it was given recently has made it impossible for even the most heavily tanked BS to survive.
A BS using T1 ammos has no problem hitting cruisers at 100km. Why should a Titan have trouble hitting battleships 100-170km away? and if the BS get closer, well, you can fit close-range xl weapons too...
About tanking DDD, some BS can survive one specific Doomsday with relatively minor fitting change. Armor tanks can tank an avatar without much trouble, and the Rokh can tank a Ragnorok pretty well, but that works only if you know what kind of Titan you'll have chasing you. To be able to survive any kind of DDD in the same setup require heavy changes to your setup, to the point that you could consider yourself gimped, and any 2 DDD will waste you.
Originally by: Derran
You are probably going to be screaming bloody murder if/when bombers come out with a weapon that is an anti-blob device too.
Truth to tell, I don't much like blobs. But right now, they're the only way to get anything done. There's a war going on, and we have no time to wait for CCP to change POS warfare, so we have to manage with the things that works now, and that mean blobs. This is why DDD aren't an answer to the blob, because POS warfare REQUIRE a blob. ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types. |
Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.02.17 01:30:00 -
[85]
titans are fine.
if anything they need a boost. like some sort of tanking bonus. -----
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest!
QFT!! |
Streetrip
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.02.17 02:37:00 -
[86]
Looked through the EVE Item database and found this. I believe it will solve all your Titan/capital ship problems in EVE.
The Anti-Titan device
enjoy!
|
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
|
Posted - 2007.02.17 03:06:00 -
[87]
Two titans dead with little use gotten out of them, and the OP is arguing that they're overpowered?
Man, t2 stupid module is actived me thinks. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
|
Cyberflayer
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
|
Posted - 2007.02.17 05:03:00 -
[88]
I really like how this debate is continuing over the unkillable Titan, while there are three confirmed dead thus far (ASCN's Avatar, D2's Erebus, and LV's titan-in-construction). Really makes sense, you know.
Who cares if they were killed amid claims of lagsploitz. It's a Titan; you kill it however you can. ---
Originally by: JabJabVVV Apparently titans cost over a billion isk to produce
|
James Duar
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
|
Posted - 2007.02.17 05:41:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Cyberflayer I really like how this debate is continuing over the unkillable Titan, while there are three confirmed dead thus far (ASCN's Avatar, D2's Erebus, and LV's titan-in-construction). Really makes sense, you know.
Who cares if they were killed amid claims of lagsploitz. It's a Titan; you kill it however you can.
Because clearly taking advantage of aggression mechanics makes them a totally balanced unit!
ASCN's dies to log out mechanics. D2's Erebus - SAME THING. LV's titan-in-construction is the only ship which has been destroyed arguably in game, and my god look at the clusterf**k that was required to do so anyway, in addition to the fact that a Titan under construction is as vulnerable as any other ship built at a POS and so doesn't count in this discussion.
|
Jayson Lee
|
Posted - 2007.02.18 20:10:00 -
[90]
What if the focus wasnt on nerfing the Titan's but rather the fuel they need to function. Would it be possible to change where fuel for the titan's come from? Perhaps reduced to a few areas, preferably in low sec only, that alliances must fight to control? This would give waring alliances reasons to have skirmishes that dont require blobs. Rather hit and run tactics designed to reduce your enemies ability to produce fuel (think Germany in WWII).
I admit I have no clue about titans, so is this idea even remotely plausable?
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |