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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.15 18:10:00 -
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The pre-launch thread is located here. The Stage 1 thread is located here. The prospectus is located over there, and in these posts for those who don't like the PDF format.
BIG BOLD LETTERS
Stage 2 Par Value: 1,000,000 isk Stage 1 Reserved: 4,000/25,000
The current size of Stage 2 is determined by three factors:- The cost of current bulk-delivery contracts, carried out over a month
- Forward-looking estimates of the future values for #1
- 10b for market speculation and investment
The factor that's (probably) going to get the most attention is the market speculation. Here's the theory. Due to the glories of the Margin Trading skill, not just our isk need, but our isk USE spikes when our orders are filled and we're about to produce the modules, and then rapidly declines. Similarly, our isk usage spikes higher, and then is brought down by a freighter/industrial run to grab up all the meltable loot we've bought. There's around 10b isk that will be in use continuously to feed our compression and decompression core business. Another 5b will be needed at peak times.
Rather than let 5b sit idle, I can work with the market to generate return on the isk. Doing so, however, can mean holding stock for periods longer than the frequency of isk-usage spikes. 10b set aside for market manipulation covers that. Additionally, that gives us room to grow--looking six months or a year down the road, I can scale back market activities to keep (de)compression activities running at full speed.
Enough about the budget, through. Let's talk brass tacks. The first TINY. shares sold out in less than six hours. I feel that wasn't fair to other investors who might have wanted in on these shares at IPO prices. For that reason, no reservations will be accepted prior to 00:00 EVE Time. You may note that 4,000 shares are already reserved. I reserved those early for myself, because I'm special*.
At this time, I am buying back TINY. shares in any quantity at 949,999.99 isk apiece.
MP
*: I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and goshdarnit, people like me!
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Votee
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Posted - 2007.02.15 19:39:00 -
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Can you provide some information about the current operations, eg. profit, dividend etc.
regards, Votee
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.15 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Votee Can you provide some information about the current operations, eg. profit, dividend etc.
regards, Votee
Month 1 was used to get characters bought, skills trained, BPO's whipped into shape, and to get some copies run off of them. As it is, several BPO's will still be in research for another two or three days. There are no profits or dividends from Month 1; I'm sure if I did a full accounting of assets, I'd find that we took a (small) net loss for the month due to fees.
MP
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Jon Asus
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:08:00 -
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What precautions are there to stop the shares selling out apart from waiting until 00.00 eve time?
I'd just like to know if I've got to stay-up until 12pm to buy shares or not.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Motivated Prophet on 15/02/2007 22:22:06
Originally by: Jon Asus What precautions are there to stop the shares selling out apart from waiting until 00.00 eve time?
Sorry, there are none. Treat it like an auction where you want to snipe-bid right at the end, except here, you want to snipe-bid at the beginning!
MP
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Cerwyn Taraman
Minmatar Phoenix Tech Industries Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:01:00 -
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Reserving 150 shares please!
Thanks, Cerwyn
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Naate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:02:00 -
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Hello there!
I would like to reserver 250 shares in my name please. I can garauntee purchase of those. If you will allow, could I tentatively reserve another 50 for a 300 total? Chances are high (>80%) I can make the full 300 in time.
If this isn't possible, still put me down for the 250. :)
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Molotka
Amarr A.W.M
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:05:00 -
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200 shares, please. Also, be sure to contact me about the order we discussed the other night.
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c1iche
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:06:00 -
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100 please
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Auri Hella
The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:08:00 -
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Reserving 400 shares, thanks.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:19:00 -
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Naate, I'll put you down for the full 300.
M, I've got BPO's in research now for you, and others are copying. Buy orders for minerals went up last night.
This post will be my official reservation of 4,000 shares for myself.
MP
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Auri Hella
The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:29:00 -
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I must be stupid, but could you post the character the money needs to be sent to? I couldn't find it myself. Probably because it's past 1 AM and I'm tired (but I wanted in on this one so I have only myself to blame).
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Naate
Minmatar The Elear
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:43:00 -
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I would like to reserve a further 50 shares, if I may on top of the existing 300. Just had a rather nice cash injection. :)
(Total shares requested: 350. Currently reserved: 300)
Then that will likely do me for this offering, if I wish to be able to continue production on my own in addition! ;)
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Trotski II
Rasta Tropical Club
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:44:00 -
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Reserve 300 shares for me.
I suppose the money is not to sent right now or is it?
Will it be sent to Motivated Prophet?
Do you plan to keep having a buy back option a few % below IPO price or is it just a thing you did now?
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Mular Sumnar
Gallente Espire
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Posted - 2007.02.16 01:30:00 -
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Reserving 250 shares.
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Executive P
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:27:00 -
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I would like to reserve 100 please
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Dalknor Ithilistar
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:39:00 -
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I would like to reserve 20 shares, please...
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.16 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Auri Hella I must be stupid, but could you post the character the money needs to be sent to? I couldn't find it myself. Probably because it's past 1 AM and I'm tired (but I wanted in on this one so I have only myself to blame).
Oops, thank you! ISK to Massive Prophet, please (check the spelling and check the corp before you send it!). If you've already sent isk to Motivated, no worries, I'll transfer it over.
MP
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.16 13:03:00 -
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All paid-for shares have been transferred.
MP
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Jon Asus
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:21:00 -
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I'll have 20 shares please.
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Jon Asus
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:21:00 -
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I'll have 20 shares please.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 16:43:00 -
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500 shares for me, please.
Omerta Syndicate Biotechnical Research |
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:04:00 -
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Proton Power stated that he thought your second IPO was suspicious and if you did another IP he would be "seriously worried".
Would here care to comment?
Personally, I have serious doubts about your integrity as it is. This does not bode well for my apprehension. Seriously, why are you people throwing your money at this. It has all the markings of a ponzai scheme.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Proton Power stated that he thought your second IPO was suspicious and if you did another IP he would be "seriously worried".
Would here care to comment?
Personally, I have serious doubts about your integrity as it is. This does not bode well for my apprehension. Seriously, why are you people throwing your money at this. It has all the markings of a ponzai scheme.
This does worry me, and I will not and have not invested into this one. I trust MP enough to not sell my current shares, but would like to see current ventures grow before more isk is asked for. But MP does as he wants, its his thing and people will invest no matter what I think nor what you think. -----------------------------------------------
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Proton Power stated that he thought your second IPO was suspicious and if you did another IP he would be "seriously worried".
Would here care to comment?
Personally, I have serious doubts about your integrity as it is. This does not bode well for my apprehension. Seriously, why are you people throwing your money at this. It has all the markings of a ponzai scheme.
What the hell? He stated he was concerned if I started up another corp after these two, because he didn't think I could run more than these two. Go back and read my original prospectus; this Stage 2 funding was planned and public at the time he made that statement.
Also, it's Ponzi, not ponzai. Named after Charles Ponzi. There's an excellent Wikipedia article.
If you'd like to question my guy in charge of buying for the company whether or not we're a legitimate business, I can arrange a meeting. If you'd like to ask one of the major investors with Junior Accountant access to ZERO.'s wallet to perform an audit, that's fine. If you feel the need to do a complete search going back three months on all my transactions that aren't directly logged in the journal (such as the data interface one), I can give you names and timestamps from my chat and contract logs.
But if you'd like to complain simply because I'm starting up a second enterprise? If you feel the need to accuse me of being a Ponzi scheme when a half-dozen people can PROVE that ZERO. is making money, and at least two of the investors in TINY. have seen the BPO's in research? If you continually claim that Proton Power is my alt, and then use his statements to attack me? If you want to do any or all of that, I have a request: go away.
Summary: Investigation, audit, and suspicion? Trust but verify? Great. Misinformed speculation, ad hominem, and misquoting? Unacceptable.
MP
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Auri Hella
The Graduates Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.02.16 19:22:00 -
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There's always risk. If I invent the money here and MP runs off with it all, or I put it in PvP ships and lose them which would be the other alternative, I don't really care much. I have enough to fund myself either way. Granted I'll have less if this is a scam. But I have no money in ZERO. so I guess I'm in just as much danger as anyone who jumped on that and is now having doubts. In the end, it's virtual money in a friggin' game, hehe.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Shin Ra Proton Power stated that he thought your second IPO was suspicious and if you did another IP he would be "seriously worried".
Would here care to comment?
Personally, I have serious doubts about your integrity as it is. This does not bode well for my apprehension. Seriously, why are you people throwing your money at this. It has all the markings of a ponzai scheme.
What the hell? He stated he was concerned if I started up another corp after these two, because he didn't think I could run more than these two. Go back and read my original prospectus; this Stage 2 funding was planned and public at the time he made that statement.
Also, it's Ponzi, not ponzai. Named after Charles Ponzi. There's an excellent Wikipedia article.
If you'd like to question my guy in charge of buying for the company whether or not we're a legitimate business, I can arrange a meeting. If you'd like to ask one of the major investors with Junior Accountant access to ZERO.'s wallet to perform an audit, that's fine. If you feel the need to do a complete search going back three months on all my transactions that aren't directly logged in the journal (such as the data interface one), I can give you names and timestamps from my chat and contract logs.
But if you'd like to complain simply because I'm starting up a second enterprise? If you feel the need to accuse me of being a Ponzi scheme when a half-dozen people can PROVE that ZERO. is making money, and at least two of the investors in TINY. have seen the BPO's in research? If you continually claim that Proton Power is my alt, and then use his statements to attack me? If you want to do any or all of that, I have a request: go away.
Summary: Investigation, audit, and suspicion? Trust but verify? Great. Misinformed speculation, ad hominem, and misquoting? Unacceptable.
MP
I spoke with proton a while ago, he told me who your mains were and I believe him.
Suspicion - not entirely unfounded don't you think. It does have all the hallmarks of a ponzai scheme.
Making a profit and running a legit business is not proof your are not a scam. Its not black and white like that.
For all my suspicions about Proton, he at least handles my criticism well while has put my mind at ease. Your reply just worries me.
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Azraelion Nerevar
Gallente PLuSQuAMPERFEkT iNc
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
I spoke with proton a while ago, he told me who your mains were and I believe him.
Suspicion - not entirely unfounded don't you think. It does have all the hallmarks of a ponzai scheme.
Making a profit and running a legit business is not proof your are not a scam. Its not black and white like that.
For all my suspicions about Proton, he at least handles my criticism well while has put my mind at ease. Your reply just worries me.
I'm sorry, but the bolded statement confuses me. According to Merriam-Webster's, a scam is: a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation
How can Zerodot which is, as you put it, a legit buisness, be a scam? The two terms are in direct contradiction.
I'm sorry if this is the wrong impression - and it may well be, I haven't had the opportunity to read that many of your posts - but it seems more that you have a grudge against MP than any factual concern with his buisness plan. You consistantly insist that it has "all the hallmarks of a scam" and insult his character, and yet you don't provide any indication of what these "hallmarks" might be. I would recommend you either drop or support your accusations.
Apologies if you did post any reasons and I missed them.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Making a profit and running a legit business is not proof your are not a scam. Its not black and white like that.
You accused me of being a Ponzi scheme. I am clearly, PROVEABLY, not. If you'd like to say that I will take the money and run tomorrow, then say that. Don't call me a Ponzi when elementary investigation would show that that assertion is incorrect.
Originally by: Shin Ra For all my suspicions about Proton, he at least handles my criticism well while has put my mind at ease. Your reply just worries me.
You are neither a customer, nor, AFAIK, an investor. You have chosen not to use the "questions, comments and concerns go here!" pre-launch of my IPO to voice your concerns, instead attacking the active thread. I gave in to you once before, and posted the BIG BOLD LETTERS in both my Stage 1 and Stage 2 IPO threads. My patience for your trolling is at an end. Post elsewhere.
MP
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Preston FateForger
Caldari The Elear
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:35:00 -
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Put me down for 200 shares.
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