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mrevilbe
arrrrrg corp
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:37:00 -
[301]
judging by the fact the guy had a smart bomb on his covert ops in the firts place ready
its obvious they intended to catch the D2 titan as it was logging off....
i agree with most people it is kind of lame to try and catch people that way.
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:37:00 -
[302]
Well, the first time this happened everyone said "dumb pilot". Sorry, I can't say "dumb pilot" this time. This is meta-gaming. Look, coming up with a plan to have a spy gang with you and let you warp to a safe-spotted titan is playing the game. Paying a spy to ping a titan and tell you when he logs out so that you can come kill him when he can't defend himself due to the game mechanics isn't playing the game. It's playing the way that the game is implemented.
So, no, this is not a matter of "all is fair in war". Meta-gaming sucks. The people who will stoop to doing it suck, and are just demonstrating pure and simple that they have no concept of honorable conduct or fair play. It doesn't get any simpler than that. They need to go, and they will. I don't see them being able to pull enough of this crap to save themselves this time, and the more they do it, the more they will just harden the resolve of those who want to see them dead. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
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Turin
Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:38:00 -
[303]
Originally by: hydraSlav
Originally by: Ovaron Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him.
Isn't locking inside a POS shield with a Passive Target an exploit?
Yes, Yes it is. But it should come as no surprise that the dirstiest cheapest most underhanded *****ish alliance in the game would stopp as low to exploit like this. I t appears the the Band of Dev Cheaters has managed to one up themself in the new all time lows they have commited.
Grats BOD on the cheating, the exploiting. ________________________________________________________
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HellSpeed
angels of darkness LTD Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:38:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Kurtz Weber So much about all the devHAXsploit theories :S
Well, dev haxsploit yes, but not plain ol normal haxsploit. Using Passive Targeters to target inside a POS bubble is an exploit.
The Erebus was outside the bubble in the last screen I saw
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Largo DuAquin
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:38:00 -
[305]
Shortly do BOB the lights go off into the POS's???
I am a spy of D2 in BOBà my time will comeà their most wanting it soà Greez Largo |
bluebandit
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:39:00 -
[306]
Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB!
This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING!
o/ signed.
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Plaetean
Blood Sweat and Tears
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 -
[307]
Yep I was right.
Condolences to D2, keep holding it down strong guys.
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NightmareX
Caldari Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 16/02/2007 22:37:54 Ok for those who are talking about that the titan pilot still was logged in when the spy smartbombed him. I can confirm that i have been told that i'm disapearing and get logged off like 2-3 mins after i actually logged off, and i have even logged inn my alt in the same system as my main and i still see my main character in local for some mins even when my main character IS logged off, and then suddenly my main logs off after some mins.
Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred |
Helina Malinos
Caldari Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 -
[309]
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes.
No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage.
Its like BoB is, simple as that.
Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys?
YES
Thats how they bust BoB spys and worse still they did it by breaking internation laws!
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Imiarr Timshae
Roid Vandals The Foundation.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 -
[310]
Well, my very consise conclusion is this :
What a bloody **** take.
-Imiarr Timshae-
Originally by: Nwalmaer Err, he has an Interceptor and I have lost 3 Crows catching Bships personally. Did I mention how much ass you all suck?
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Darken Two
Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 -
[311]
Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes.
No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage.
Its like BoB is, simple as that.
Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys?
SOOO Angry.... have you tried Decaf ? or maybe valium
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Dirtball
Kemono. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dirtball on 16/02/2007 22:39:39 well it's the very definition of exploiting game mechanics
sure you can exploit a bug. But exploiting in MMO lingo is something that has to be intervened upon by GM's because it's using fully functioning game mechanics and game mechanics that can't/shouldn't be changed to prevent an exploit.
Passive targetters in this case worked as intended Warping 1km away upon logoff worked as intended 15 minute aggression timer worked as intended
But were those features put in the game for this type of thing to occur? I don't think so.
A log on trap was considered an exploit at one time, were any bugs involved? no. Camping jump in points way back in the day was considered an exploit at one time, was that exploiting a bug? no. Edit: I belive someone said once that bookmarking mission acceleration gates to come back later and attack someone else at them was an exploit since they seemed to spawn in the spots pretty much or something, not a bug, but an exploit.
An example of exploiting game mechanics in say world of warcraft, is trading wins in the battlegrounds.
but I guess in CCP's case exploiting deserves a big GRATS
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse This is the price you have to pay sometimes.
No props from me for using a spy. But also no whinage.
Its like BoB is, simple as that.
Quick Question Mr Woodlouse, does D2 use spys?
Not for executional matters. Only information.
Believe it or not, theres a thin red line we never wanted to cross, like back in G times. --------------------------------
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searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: searchi on 16/02/2007 22:38:29 who made underhand tactics and dirty play acceptable within a wide portion of eve ? right, it was bob . they achieve most of their succeses mainly by such means. like traitors offlining pos, ts spies reporting every fleetorder and so on. without such they wouldnt even be half as succesfull. by using such means and bragging about it they spread the disease troughout eve. they want to win at ALL cost.
this disgusting cancer needs to be cut out of eve for good. eve culture is going downhill with them around.
arjun
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Pika Chu
Caldari Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 -
[315]
Originally by: DinoC
Originally by: Helina Malinos
Originally by: Angeles you killed an offline ship, wow you BOD guys really are uber
POS you lot still fighting on the forums and forgetting how to do it in game.......
there ticker is BoB you retard, **** you can't spell so no wonder you guys could not call targets............................................
WE still fighting thank you, and you are? Go back to your little corner.
In case you did not notice BOD is a ticker used very frequently to refer to BoB uberness, including their ability to kill offlne titans.
You may not have noticed but calling them BoD or whatever will get your forum account warned/banned. Its akin to someone calling you Peices of **** instead of your real name, and im sure you wouldnt like that.
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Akane Miyamoto
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:41:00 -
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Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Gibmundur Lets all just slug it out in close range battleship, throw out those boring capital ships, and those boring pos crapping's, i cant believe people actually enjoy this eve pos's killing thing²
I'd hug you but i'm scared my hardon might put you off...
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ph33rf4ct0ry
Minmatar Hookers From Mars
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Largo DuAquin Shortly do BOB the lights go off into the POS's???
I am a spy of D2 in BOBà my time will comeà their most wanting it soà
Just wanted to quote this before it's edited. I would also like to point everyone who is whining about the use of spys here.
Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY |
Helina Malinos
Caldari Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Pawnee
BOD opened the Pandora's Box. They show no respect for their enemies - so dont wonder, if more and more of BOD's enemies will do things with you, which they usually won't do with other enemies.
ITS BOB YOU RETARD NOW GO GET A CORP.
LMAO
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Pawnee
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
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BOD opened the Pandora's Box. They show no respect for their enemies - so dont wonder, if more and more of BOD's enemies will do things with you, which they usually won't do with other enemies.
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Ryuuka
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
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in all fairness bulabuba: honor doesn't bring yo victory
and besides it was a lucky find and good kill. i for one think the speed at wich bob responded to this is admirable
but i don't think they would have managed to do this in battle.
so the standard ending here: grats to bob, sorry for D2(you'll build a new one)
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Turin
Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
[322]
Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT
They are ruining the game for all the fair playing peeps out there who want to fight fair, we know there is no point in calling on CCP/BoD to make this a fair game...who knows why, they must have a "we don't give a damn attitude we have made enough cash"
Does BOD make cash? I thought they just had thier stuff spawned for them.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gibmundur Lets all just slug it out in close range battleship, throw out those boring capital ships, and those boring pos crapping's, i cant believe people actually enjoy this eve pos's killing thing²
I'd hug you but i'm scared my hardon might put you off...
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ph33rf4ct0ry
Minmatar Hookers From Mars
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Largo DuAquin Shortly do BOB the lights go off into the POS's???
I am a spy of D2 in BOBà my time will comeà their most wanting it soà
Just wanted to quote this before it's edited. I would also like to point everyone who is whining about the use of spys here.
Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY |
Helina Malinos
Caldari Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:42:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Pawnee
BOD opened the Pandora's Box. They show no respect for their enemies - so dont wonder, if more and more of BOD's enemies will do things with you, which they usually won't do with other enemies.
ITS BOB YOU RETARD NOW GO GET A CORP.
LMAO
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 -
[326]
Originally by: The FAQ 12.1 What is an exploit?
The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit.
Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule.
Originally by: EVE Banning Policy 1. EXPLOITS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
* a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. * b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. * c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts. * d. A player has engaged in activity that intentionally causes others to lose connection, suffer latency issues (lag) or to crash to desktop (CTD). * e. A player renders himself invulnerable through the use of a bug. * f. A player has created, distributed or advertised an illegal 3rd party program (i.e. macro or cheat program) that disrupts game mechanics, is considered unfriendly or gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features in a way for which they were not intended.
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
* a. Creates a character using a name that is misleading and causes others to believe he is a fair target, such as a non-player pirate or other NPC entity. * b. Is discovered to be employing the use of a third party program to macro illegally. Funds or goods received from the benefits of macroing are subject to removal from the playerÆs inventory. * c. Is aware of an exploitable bug and fails to report it to Game Masters and/or distributes the information to other players.
The passive targetting bug is a known error in the game that can be exploited for a gain that would not otherwise possible - in this case, killing a Titan. As clearly stated above, its use is an exploit and breach of the rules and is a bannable offense.
Now, I'm not calling for anyone to be banned here, but I find it reprehensible that people are congratulating BoB for the use of an exploit that earned them a kill they didn't deserve, regardless of whether or not it was masterfully pulled off.
A kill that exploits a known error in the game's code is a dishonourable kill, and a dishonourable kill is no kill at all.
Of course, should BoB succeed in bringing in evidence that they did not use this exploit, I'll happily retract my statement, but honestly fellas - if this really is the way the kill was scored, you all should be fething ashamed of yourselves.
This post represents my own private view and should not be taken as representative of the opinion of my corporation or alliance. ***
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Laythun
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Helina Malinos
Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT Edited by: SNeAkYbRiT on 16/02/2007 22:28:07 In all fairness how ever D¦ lost this Titan I hope that D¦ stick with it and pwn's BoB!
This will only fuel the fire against BoB and make players want to see the end of them...SO COME ON D¦ STAY WITH IT AND KEEP FIGHTING!
LMAO
today D2 lost
14 BS 9 POS 1 titan 2 dreads 1 carrier
and killed 6 BS
Way to go D2, you show them who is boss
Get involved then maybe people will care what you think/post
Black Lance Brother
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rik jonno
Minmatar ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 -
[328]
Edited by: rik jonno on 16/02/2007 22:39:58 Edited by: rik jonno on 16/02/2007 22:39:26
Originally by: Helina Malinos
Originally by: Angeles you killed an offline ship, wow you BOD guys really are uber
POS you lot still fighting on the forums and forgetting how to do it in game.......
there ticker is BoB you retard, **** you can't spell so no wonder you guys could not call targets............................................
BOD--Alt? LV---ALT? CCP--ALT?
PLACE YOUR BETS
Post with your main!!!!
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Lost Daughter
Agents Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Even if we brought even numbers the node would have crashed. What would you propose we do, wait until D2 voluntarily decides to NOT defend their pos???
If u want, but as you are fighting LV i would recommend you wait for them to log off, as D2 logging off wont have much effect on the LV defenses.. :)
Picking on typos 4TW
Good kill BoB, very well executed..
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:43:00 -
[330]
Originally by: The FAQ 12.1 What is an exploit?
The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit.
Though every effort is made to avoid glitches that enable exploits to be used, they are occasionally discovered. Players have the responsibility of understanding how the game works and keeping themselves informed about changes to the game in order to comprehend what is deemed as an exploit. Those who are charged with employing the use of exploits will be reprimanded, which may include temporary suspension or a permanent ban of the account. Professing ignorance that you didnÆt know you were using an exploit will not prevent the enforcement of this rule.
Originally by: EVE Banning Policy 1. EXPLOITS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
* a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. * b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. * c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts. * d. A player has engaged in activity that intentionally causes others to lose connection, suffer latency issues (lag) or to crash to desktop (CTD). * e. A player renders himself invulnerable through the use of a bug. * f. A player has created, distributed or advertised an illegal 3rd party program (i.e. macro or cheat program) that disrupts game mechanics, is considered unfriendly or gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features in a way for which they were not intended.
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
* a. Creates a character using a name that is misleading and causes others to believe he is a fair target, such as a non-player pirate or other NPC entity. * b. Is discovered to be employing the use of a third party program to macro illegally. Funds or goods received from the benefits of macroing are subject to removal from the playerÆs inventory. * c. Is aware of an exploitable bug and fails to report it to Game Masters and/or distributes the information to other players.
The passive targetting bug is a known error in the game that can be exploited for a gain that would not otherwise possible - in this case, killing a Titan. As clearly stated above, its use is an exploit and breach of the rules and is a bannable offense.
Now, I'm not calling for anyone to be banned here, but I find it reprehensible that people are congratulating BoB for the use of an exploit that earned them a kill they didn't deserve, regardless of whether or not it was masterfully pulled off.
A kill that exploits a known error in the game's code is a dishonourable kill, and a dishonourable kill is no kill at all.
Of course, should BoB succeed in bringing in evidence that they did not use this exploit, I'll happily retract my statement, but honestly fellas - if this really is the way the kill was scored, you all should be fething ashamed of yourselves.
This post represents my own private view and should not be taken as representative of the opinion of my corporation or alliance. ***
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