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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:12:00 -
[901]
First I have to apologise.
BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance.
You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time.
I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose.
It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players.
Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:14:00 -
[902]
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot First I have to apologise.
BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance.
You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time.
I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose.
It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players.
Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools
How is this different from corp theft or spy offlining towers? it isnt. Those things are all done by BoBs enemies in huge amounts. Get a grip on reality.
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:22:00 -
[903]
Edited by: Nicholai Pestot on 17/02/2007 17:20:10
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot First I have to apologise.
BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance.
You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time.
I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose.
It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players.
Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools
How is this different from corp theft or spy offlining towers? it isnt. Those things are all done by BoBs enemies in huge amounts. Get a grip on reality.
They are equally guilty. Two wrongs do not make a right.BoB have just taken it to a whole new level and the trouble with arms escalations of any type is that they are almost impossible to reverse.
Edit-This isn't reality, its a game
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:23:00 -
[904]
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot First I have to apologise.
BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance.
You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time.
I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose.
It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players.
Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools
How is this different from corp theft or spy offlining towers? it isnt. Those things are all done by BoBs enemies in huge amounts. Get a grip on reality.
They are equally guilty. Two wrongs do not make a right.BoB have just taken it to a whole new level and the trouble with arms escalations of any type is that they are almost impossible to reverse.
surely you have to consider IP leaking from an official Eve- site worse, or hacking other organisations forums?
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:25:00 -
[905]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Nicholai Pestot First I have to apologise.
BoB, I was convinced you exploited when I read the other threads.Given resent events it is a logical conclusion but, it would seem, an unfair one in this instance.
You have still, however, manipulated game mechanics in a way that was never intended in order to kill an opponent who was not even playing/logged in at the time.
I respect your drive to succeed and knowledge of game mechanics but there comes a point when you have to step back and realise that if you continue winning like this, Eve will loose.
It will loose all sense of fun, it will loose any reason to play in the 'hi-end' of 0.0 warfare and it will loose players.
Your execution and organisation was flawless. Your wisdom and foresight was non-existent.You are the definition of educated fools
How is this different from corp theft or spy offlining towers? it isnt. Those things are all done by BoBs enemies in huge amounts. Get a grip on reality.
They are equally guilty. Two wrongs do not make a right.BoB have just taken it to a whole new level and the trouble with arms escalations of any type is that they are almost impossible to reverse.
surely you have to consider IP leaking from an official Eve- site worse, or hacking other organisations forums?
Legally, yes.
Morally its all the same.
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Mss Alt
Gallente The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:30:00 -
[906]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi At the end of the day, if this was a goonswarm or RA kill on an LV titan, Everyone, and by that I mean 99% of you flamers, would be saying "good job, nice move"
Why were there no crys of OMG LAME when they brought 1000 to LVs titan in production, used the first 200 to crash the node and the rest to hold the system while the defenders tried to log on.
Why were there no crys of 'lame' from you guys when D2 were caught using an official website to get BoB IPs?
Why didnt you cry 'lame' when an ISS director offlined an entire systems worth of towers for goonswarm? How is THAT intended by the game mechanics?
Well ... unethical but ingame mechanics are ok with me (spys and other things like this) But using a spy to agrro a ship inside the forcefield (which btw is an exploit) that's about as lame as it goes.
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Edde Bebbi
Amarr The Griffin
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:32:00 -
[907]
Originally by: Mss Alt
Originally by: Edde Bebbi At the end of the day, if this was a goonswarm or RA kill on an LV titan, Everyone, and by that I mean 99% of you flamers, would be saying "good job, nice move"
Why were there no crys of OMG LAME when they brought 1000 to LVs titan in production, used the first 200 to crash the node and the rest to hold the system while the defenders tried to log on.
Why were there no crys of 'lame' from you guys when D2 were caught using an official website to get BoB IPs?
Why didnt you cry 'lame' when an ISS director offlined an entire systems worth of towers for goonswarm? How is THAT intended by the game mechanics?
Well ... unethical but ingame mechanics are ok with me (spys and other things like this) But using a spy to agrro a ship inside the forcefield (which btw is an exploit) that's about as lame as it goes.
omfg I cant believe people are still claiming this. D2 have ADMITTED it WASNT IN A FORCEFIELD. It was smarbombed OUTSIDE.
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Mss Alt
Gallente The Alt Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.17 17:34:00 -
[908]
I'm sorry, I didn't have the time to read the full thread. Anyway ... still quite lame imho.
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Fuglife
TOUAREGS
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:13:00 -
[909]
Wow, how low can you go?
Which one of bobs devs came up with this plan?
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Sheriff Badden
Amarr Legion Federation Amen Anera
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:53:00 -
[910]
you can't make someone get out of the counterstrike mindset, so D2, you should play like evil bob does to win
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Trotski II
Rasta Tropical Club
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:30:00 -
[911]
Big multi-alliances wars are more lame then a carebear running lv1 missions in 1.0 for 3 years. Dirty,exploits,metagaming,blobing. Can¦t understand what¦s the fun on this.
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Divine Misconception
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:32:00 -
[912]
Originally by: Sheriff Badden you can't make someone get out of the counterstrike mindset, so D2, you should play like evil bob does to win
EEEEEEEVIIILLLLLLLL
They do btw -------------------------------- Coke Habit. |
Sky KiorSun
Minmatar Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:43:00 -
[913]
Its lame and pathetic what bob did, no doubt about that. The fact that these guys are hacking out of game other corps and alliances forums is even worse along with other peoples TS makes me think they need perhaps seeing shrinks. With this and the recent accusations of Dev help within Bob to get ahead in the game its just another step up the pathetic ladder. Shame, i used to enjoy playing Eve as a game cos that is all it is just a game, i guess some people dont just see it as that. For me logging on to something that allows Alliances, corps and its corp members to do such disshonest things in or out of game is pretty sad. You guys may scream "but this is what happens in rl" that maybe so, But this isnt rl and people are crossing those bounderies now by hacking or putting spies on others ts/forums along with trying to find every exploit possible within the game, corp theft, macro mining and selling isk on ebay is bad enough. im sorry am i ranting, but can anyone actually consider playing Eve honestly now as it should always have been? or is this just going to continue to escalate till nobody enjoys playing Eve anymore. I think im gonna go back to Battlefield for a while |
ElweSingollo
The Vanyar
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Posted - 2007.02.18 00:12:00 -
[914]
Originally by: Sinister Death
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Edde Bebbi Once again for the hard-of-thinking.
It is an INTENDED game mechanic that if you are aggrod, you have an aggro timer if you log.
It is an INTENDED game mechanic that smartbombs can be used to aggro people
It is an INTENDED game mechanic that friendly alliance mates can backstab and attack and even kill you.
It is an INTENDED game mechanic THEREFORE that friendlies can give you a PvP timer.
Therefore there is no exploit.
Dude, read what the EULA is saying. If you read it carefully, you will see that even if this was an INTENDED game mechanic, it still can be a borked game mechanic that shouldn't be able to do ingame.
The EULA clearly says that the D2 ship will get reimbursed whatever you noobs are saying.
Just read the DAMN EULA.
I HOPE they give the ship back... then ban the account for CTL Qing in space because he logged to avoid combat... The devs have already said that a fix is coming... so he was exploiting a known game mechanic.
Heh one thing how is not being involved in combat for "3 hours" logging to avoid combat? I suppose that means last week when I was in an alliance at war I should never have logged off then?
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ElweSingollo
The Vanyar
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Posted - 2007.02.18 00:17:00 -
[915]
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Gallente Caliente
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR.
Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now?
Damage logs? If he had them turned of its his fault : If a bob inty had done the damage he would have been equally unaware.
Except for a) the big red mark on his screen and overview and b) the bob inty getting wtfbbqpwnd by POS guns
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jita alt1111111222222
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Posted - 2007.02.18 02:26:00 -
[916]
THIS IS WESTWOOD. REMEMBER, SMOKING CIGARETTES AIN'T COOL. IT'S A BAD LOOK. AND YOU'RE GONNA DIE.
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RedLion
Caldari evenova
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Posted - 2007.02.18 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: RedLion on 18/02/2007 03:03:27 I don't get why people try to defend the lameness. Titans shouldn't be killed on logoffskitimers, atleast not when it's exploited this way.
It's lame, but maybe i would have done it in war.. but you do alot of lame stuff in war.
edit: I did mean exploit as it means, not that it's not allowed by CCP. The Gallenteans must be destroyed. |
Stickey Crak
Caldari Swedish Gimp Squad
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Posted - 2007.02.18 03:12:00 -
[918]
WOW!! This is truly incredible. 30 pages of crying and moaning and 0 replies from BoB. now what does that tell you?
P.S. Respect on the kill. Job well done hope to see few more.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.18 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Stickey Crak WOW!! This is truly incredible. 30 pages of crying and moaning and 0 replies from BoB. now what does that tell you?
That BoB are posting with alts.
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Stickey Crak
Caldari Swedish Gimp Squad
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Posted - 2007.02.18 03:22:00 -
[920]
made me ROFL.. hehe i suppose thats true. alot of MC posting here...
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AngryCanuk
TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.18 03:23:00 -
[921]
You guys do know that a titan if split into ISK, and sold on ebay for 14 bucks per 150mill, could buy a a brand new toyota corolla?
A BRAND NEW CAR IS WHAT THIS IS WORTH
And people are defending bob?
thats kinda stupid
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Shaala
Caldari Singularity Services
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:05:00 -
[922]
Originally by: ElweSingollo
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
Originally by: Gallente Caliente
Originally by: Edde Bebbi
The point is, EVERYTHING BOB did WAS an intended purpose of the game mechanics and therefore the advantage ISNT UNFAIR.
Wrong. You're a fool if you think CCP intends for people to die while logged off and having no knowledge that they've been agressed. That's this scenario, what are you talking about now?
Damage logs? If he had them turned of its his fault : If a bob inty had done the damage he would have been equally unaware.
Except for a) the big red mark on his screen and overview and b) the bob inty getting wtfbbqpwnd by POS guns
A big red mark from a cloaked vessel? I suggest you do not post anymore if all you can give is falsified truth. There was ZERO possibility of realizing being shot. That was also the lone purpose of using a micro smartbomb. The only intent was to make it impossible to see any decrease of shields or detect any attack by the titan pilot.
ps: exploit is not a word limited to wrong coding. Game design flaws are also considered an exploit if used for what it wasn¦t meant to. POS forcefields for example, are supposed to suppress all forms of active targeting. Imho that is less an exploit than the issue here: it is totaly ok in terms of roleplay and reallifearguments that passive targeting would be able to lock anyway. It is more valid than using wrong gamemechanic design to flag a ship for having engaged in a battle when in reality it is not.
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Hermes Massai
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: RedLion Edited by: RedLion on 18/02/2007 03:03:27 I don't get why people try to defend the lameness. Titans shouldn't be killed on logoffskitimers, atleast not when it's exploited this way.
How should titans be killed then? Formal challenge to a duel? A glove across the face? An appointment? Or maybe in a glorious and bloody fleet battle! Be real, no one would truly risk a titan like that, and if they did, it would only be with 400+ other ships on their side. Then the enemy would need 400+ ships to stand a chance. And we all know what happens when you put 800+ ships (hell, less than that) on the same node, fighting...
So as far as I'm concerned there are only 2 ways to kill a titan. Human error(D2) or technical malfunction(node crash - LV).
In D2's case, the pilot made some pretty obvious errors. BoB were there to take advantage of that. No "hacksploits" involved, just pure game mechanics. Live and learn. Sure it was "dirty", but in case you haven't noticed, EVE is a "dirty" game. Drugs, piracy, wars, espionage, SABOTAGE, theft, political intrigue are all part of this on-line experience we call EVE. It what makes it EVE, and I wouldn't have it any other way. If you haven't the stomach for this, there's always Disney's Toontown Online. What IS lame, are these forums lately, the baseless acusations, the bile, the envy, the hate, the trolling, the flaming, the name calling, the hypocrisy, the finger pointing, all of which appear to become less and less RP and more OOC (maybe it's just me). Remember guys (and girls?), it's an exciting game, but still just a game.
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FuzzBuzz
Caldari Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:16:00 -
[924]
what is lame, is the direction this game is going.
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Hermes Massai
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:22:00 -
[925]
Originally by: AngryCanuk You guys do know that a titan if split into ISK, and sold on ebay for 14 bucks per 150mill, could buy a a brand new toyota corolla?
A BRAND NEW CAR IS WHAT THIS IS WORTH
And people are defending bob?
thats kinda stupid
No, it's not worth a brand new car, because ISK shouldn't have any RL value, and selling ISK is against the EULA.
So what are you suggesting, should we all stop buying and losing ships, and sell the ISK instead?
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AngryCanuk
TribalWar Inc EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:24:00 -
[926]
Originally by: Hermes Massai
Originally by: AngryCanuk You guys do know that a titan if split into ISK, and sold on ebay for 14 bucks per 150mill, could buy a a brand new toyota corolla?
A BRAND NEW CAR IS WHAT THIS IS WORTH
And people are defending bob?
thats kinda stupid
No, it's not worth a brand new car, because ISK shouldn't have any RL value, and selling ISK is against the EULA.
So what are you suggesting, should we all stop buying and losing ships, and sell the ISK instead?
Just saying to put it into perspective of what was loss by a cheap trick to the game dynamics.
And it might be against thte EULA, doesnt mean ppl dont do it
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Faith Black
Minmatar Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Faith Black on 18/02/2007 04:30:29
Originally by: Sky KiorSun Its lame and pathetic what bob did, no doubt about that. The fact that these guys are hacking out of game other corps and alliances forums is even worse along with other peoples TS makes me think they need perhaps seeing shrinks.
Think you mix something up. It was not BoB, who hacked forums, but it looks like someone has hacked BoB's forums. I write it 'looks like', because the one, how got the whole content from the BoB board inclusively all private messages said something like someone gave him a database dumps of BoB forum database willingly.
( But I doubt that he had an informant in BoB, who is also web admin and copied him the whole database. Those guys are rare and usually loyal. And then another one in Goonfleet, also willing to cooperate some months before ? ) ------ No.1 reason to post with an alt: Avoiding that your main looks too silly. |
MacDuncan
Minmatar Unknown Society
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: FuzzBuzz what is lame, is the direction this game is going.
No, sadly it is already "there"... --
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:39:00 -
[929]
Originally by: NightmareX The agression timer was implented to aviod peoples to log off WHILE in combat. And was the Titan in combat? nope
It was smartbombed by the spy, so yes, it was in combat.
What has happened to the cutthroat EVE where PvP isn't some honorable, consensual act? If this thread was about Shrike losing a titan, you know damn well you wouldn't be crying foul if it were the exact same tactics used.
Can't people learn to check their bias at the door now and then?
BoB's spy knew it was going to log,and knew that game mechanics do not allow a person recently involved in combat, consensual or not, to go poof when they ctrl+q. IT was not 'friendly fire'. Friendly fire is when you accidentally shoot an ally, not when you're a spy planning to attack your victim and trigger its doom. There was nothing friendly about the smartbomb being used, and people need to stop saying it was friendly fire.
The kill is lame, however it is within game mechanics, and imo, it does not warrant a reimbursement. I know that many of the people crying foul belong to groups which use spies and other underhanded tactics they ***** at BoB for using, so perhaps they should stop with the farce, and return the favor to BoB?
Old saying, Do unto others...
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Hermes Massai
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.18 04:51:00 -
[930]
For some reason there's no visible aggression timer in 0.0. For some reason you get aggression from friendly fire. Is it intentional? Or just overlooked by the devs? I don't know. No one knows. But it's been like this for quite some time now which leads to believe it's intentional.
Then again look at nano-battleships. It appears they were never meant to be that fast. So you never know. But you can't stop and ask the devs "Is it supposed to work like this??" everytime you do something (unless of course it's something very obvious).
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