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doseph
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Posted - 2007.02.18 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: doseph on 18/02/2007 10:43:02 My question won't be readily obvious in the begining, but it is there. This has been bugging me to hell and back, and no one seems to have an answer.
My first MMO was Earth and Beyond, I'll admit I was expecting large fleet battles, being able to pilot and command huge carriers and destroyers...or possibly the best way to explain it: I was expecting battles like seen in Star-Wars(I was 15, **** off! :P). But to my disappointment, it wasn't so. Since explaining everything would get a bit tedious, I'll fastforward a bit. The next two MMO's I played were Star-Wars Galaxies(Played for 1 month) and...sadly, World of Warcraft.
Now starting off, World of Warcraft had an edge to it. I stuck with it, leading to 2 60s and being in the best Guild on the server...It took me 7 months to realize I wasn't even having fun with the game. But once I realized I wasn't having fun, I saw how many flaws it had...oh so many. But I had made so many relationships it was hard to let go. Luckily I had a friend slap me with a large batch of reality, and I quit not long after. Then a few months later, that same friend brought Eve to my attention, the trial anyway. He said it had hints of Earth and Beyond, so I gave it a shot. Although it was a stupid decision, he told me not to run through the tutorial (which I didn't). It felt like someone had taken frieght train of information and plowed into my face, I was overwhelmed with how much content there was(after playing WoW, a game inteded for 9 year olds, can you blame me?) I figured it wasn't my type of game, it found itself in the recycle bin.
Another 2 months and here I am with a sudden interest for a completely unique and extensive MMO. I thought immediatly of Eve and jumped on with the trial - I went through the tutorial 4 times, read everything there was and asked about 600 questions in the Rookie Channel. I was determined to get my Eve character off the ground. I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, but I knew I had alot of options(more then almost every game combined could offer)Going through the tutorial felt better, until you realize that it only teaches you about 10% of the actual game.
However as I play the game, I continue to ask myself a simple question...is it too late for me in Eve?
I hear these magnificent stories of enormous fleet battles led by greedy and righteous corporations out for revenge or territory. Alliances that go horribly wrong leading to a breakdown in an entire region. Massive mining operations being ambushed by loot hungry pirates and my favorite, politics. I have had more fun in 14 days doing mining operations with my corp then I had in the entire 7 months of WoW.
But those same stories are from people who have played 3 years, not 16 days...I will never be in a 50 on 50 battle fighting for my corp. Never to deal with the politics, alliances and war that such a corp could bring. I will never be in the big picture of Eve, only in the background trying to find some way of getting on that scene. To me, THAT is the glory of Eve. Struggle. Knowning that the entire game is made by the players, THEY make the choices. No pre-made forces and sides, no raiding the same boss over and over. But I am surrounded by 3 year veterans. 3 years of gianing relationships, reputations in Corporations, 3 years of fleet battles and 3 years of lost cruisers, battle ships and pods... I can't compete with that.
So here is my question to you, is it even possible for someone as new as me to stand along side you veterans in this enormous community and experience? Or am I stuck standing on the side-lines, watching you take territories and squinting everytime my screen lights up with the flashes and bangs of your wars?
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Micia
Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.18 10:48:00 -
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Quote: Is it too late for me in Eve?
No. _______
Rodj Blake > We Amarrians do things with dignity Evanda Char > That's not what the last dessert trolley you visited said |
maCH'EttE
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Posted - 2007.02.18 10:52:00 -
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Answer: No.
I played for 2 years, then took a year break and recently rejoined. I was thinking the same as you - it's too late now, everyone will be so far ahead of me.
But the thing is, EVE is built in a very n00b friendly way, IMO. To get your skills to Lv4 doesn't take very long, it's getting them to Lv5 which takes the vast majority of time and SP. For example, to get all the tanking, capacitor, fitting, learning and (racial) weapon skills to Lv4 will take about 4 months. Not too bad, huh. To get them to Lv5 will take you much, much longer, but only gives a small advantage.
So... It's never too late. You won't ever be as specialised as the older players, they'll always have a technical advantage over you, but this game isn't about SP. It's about common sense, tactics and player skill.
Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned [by maCH]!
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Paladineguru
Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.18 10:54:00 -
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ya its never too late, just stick with your profession and training , and keep learning, the beggest secret in eve is that were all newbs, each and every time something new comes out.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:03:00 -
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It's not to late for you :)
Never say Never either :)
Galactic Express Recruitment Post Thoughts expressed are mine and |
Leneerra
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:08:00 -
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Not at all to late.
It does not realy matter how long you have been in the game. Just done expect to be an earth shaker in 2 months time.. although perhaps...
and those 50/50 or bigger battles are to be had easely for you, just do not expect to be lead FC or CEO of that corp (at the start)
Community leaders do not get there by training social to 5, it is personality and some experience (as well as integrity) that is required for that. Just try it. Make a plan. Allow for human failling (in your minions at least).
Some things you probebly already know: Remember that your actions color the view of others. Heroics are always viewed favorebly, cowardess always negatively (no matter what side you were on).
Some people lead, some only follow. Never force them on the other path, they will eventually leave. People that follow need (ready made) entertainment (Bread and games for the masses). Poeple that lead, want responcibility and challenge.
Generaly people look at their own intrest first. Make sure that medium and long term gains are better than the short term ones (such as theft or betrayal) and you will suffer less of it.
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Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:09:00 -
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It's only to late when you let it be. ---------------------------
"Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !. |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:13:00 -
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Perhaps you believe you cannot compete at a level for which you are satisfied with - I'm not sure, but you can compete.
As for being involved in fleet battles, regardless of what you might think, alliances and the corporations within them are, for the most part, recruiting good players. You would be welcome, you would be able to stand beside veterans and you would learn at an accelerated rate.
Hope you find what you're looking for.
AK
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Sean Dillon
Caldari LEGI0N
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sean Dillon on 18/02/2007 11:13:55 A newly created player almost has all the skills he need to get into cruiser (aside from having the isk). And thats all you need bassicly to get into pvp. Many of those "enourmeus" 50 vs 50 fleet engagements have mostly alot of cannonf.. I mean cruisers and frigs for support. For that you dont need a ton of experience, you can join in right away and take part in the fighting. Infact its a good way to learn the pvp side of the game.
Every newbie can do the basic things of mining, trading, pvp and mission running. I suggest you try them all when you start and join a corporation based on what you like the most. It is the more advanced things, which all those other players have a head start in, that will require alot of training for you to do.
But ask yourself, what is a game without goals for you? Your best bet is to make a choice when you start what you like the best, and specialize in that. You'll find in a month or 2 you'll have advanced far on that field of choice and be competative with other 3 year old players on that field.
I know from my time in KOS, corvino and something leading alliance fleets around. I dont think he was older then 4 months.
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SumDum
Caldari AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:16:00 -
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doseph,
Speaking from personal experience, it's not too late. I started over recently, I left MMO's and Eve back around launch. I came back recently and went through the same thing that you are going through. As a young character, you will experience some frustration for awhile, not finding your place, but it will eventually pass. Get with a good group of players, that is the key to Eve for me. A solid network of like-minded people next to you will help you find your niche and allow you to grow and experience this game.
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Virida
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:16:00 -
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Skill vise, you are able to specialize in 2-3 months time after being a total newbie, the players who has played for years dont got more special ingame SKILLPOINTS to help them, than a newbie, after a ship type is maxed with shipskill5, gun or missile 5, electronics, engineering, and tanking skill is up, that's it. They train a new thing.
There is always room for new players, all alliances in the game needs new players, from time to time
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Dermar Cerebar
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:22:00 -
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Very good post Doseph, and as a result you will get many very good replies.
There are many of the vetreran players who would be proud to stand beside you. You are clearly intelligent, keen, observant and willing to learn.
We have taken 2 people into corp in the last couple of months who had only 4-6 weeks play time under their belts, and we have great fun flying with them, helping them progress in the game, teaching them setups, training plans, career plans... what do we get? New friends, and that really is what this game is about.
Good luck with the game. If you need help or are interested in corp life, feel free to give me a mail in game...
Oh, and pack up your real life, you will not be needing that any more.
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Esaam DeVries
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:23:00 -
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The only part of EvE that will be very hard for you to explore is the whole T2 BPO and production. The rest is waiting for you. -- "Please, would you tell me," said Alice, a little timidly, ... "why your cat grins like that?" "It's a Cheshire cat," said the Duchess, "and that's why." http://www.evetrust.com |
Laythun
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:39:00 -
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Even tho im involved Now, in my time ive missed some epic wars in my time
the GNW FOE FE
etc etc etc etc
BUT what im trying to say is no matter you miss now, we will always be making wars. The next one is for the next generation my friend, new people and new stories ;)
Black Lance Brother
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: doseph ..is it too late for me in Eve?
That depends only on yourself. Don't expect wonders that you will be able to fly a carrier or such in 1 month, you won't.
But... it is never too late!
Why not? Because even the biggest guys with 50+ SP can only have skills at level 5. They don't have frigate level 50 or something for example. So within a few days you can train frig to level 5 also and then you are even with the big guy in this area.
It only needs you to stay focused and determined, that's all.
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:52:00 -
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funny how I had the exact same thought when I joined 6 months after release.
To be successful in eve all you need is ambition. oh and a complete lack of morality helps aswell.
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Victor Merren
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:54:00 -
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No its not too late. I have been in game or almost a year now and I have to admit that I also still cannot do some of the things that my alliance mates can do: fly a dreadnaught or a carrier for example.
That is not really a problem as there are many many other things you can do, like admire them in space and in action, and of course actively work to extend their magnificence by creating cyno fields, providing support or intel or whatever else is needed.
So no, never too late.
Eve may have hit a rough patch with regard to long term player satisfaction, but this just shows the level of committment we all have to this platform and I can see a bright future ahead.
V.
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:57:00 -
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No its definitely not too late
Focus on one particular race/faction and skill the hell out of it. By this i mean concentrate on your character faction ship/weapon type. You will be able to fly a decent array of ships and be able to participate in fleets and things no matter the size of the ship you fly. Every ship has a role !
I have played for over 2 years, but still no where near able to fly a carrier or dread. There plenty of fun to be had with a cruiser class ship and you could be flying one of those quite well within a month. The only issue you might have is the isk earning ability and the ability to replace what you lose early in the game, for this you should only ever fly what you can afford to lose in a fight !
Froggy
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Toyminator
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Posted - 2007.02.18 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Toyminator on 18/02/2007 11:54:48 Honestly, I think that this recruiting poster really quite says it all.
Everyone counts. Everyone matters.
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Stitcher on 18/02/2007 11:59:01
Originally by: doseph But those same stories are from people who have played 3 years, not 16 days...I will never be in a 50 on 50 battle fighting for my corp. Never to deal with the politics, alliances and war that such a corp could bring. I will never be in the big picture of Eve, only in the background trying to find some way of getting on that scene. To me, THAT is the glory of Eve. Struggle. Knowning that the entire game is made by the players, THEY make the choices. No pre-made forces and sides, no raiding the same boss over and over. But I am surrounded by 3 year veterans. 3 years of gianing relationships, reputations in Corporations, 3 years of fleet battles and 3 years of lost cruisers, battle ships and pods... I can't compete with that.
I have been playing this game for less than a year and a half. Already, I am one of my alliance's senior fleet commanders. I was one of its most active PvPers before I could even fly battleships.
It is FAR from too late for you. I know guys who have only been playing for a few months who are even now running around in Fountain taking part in those same huge wars. Hell, even before this whole BoB v. Everyone Else thing kicked off, we were seeing fighs of 50 Vs 50 and bigger in our home region (Hi Tri! Hi Beagle!)
This is one of the things that people rarely teach the game's newcomers - you don't have to have the same number of skill points in order to compete. Just specialize in one particular thing, at one particular level, and before very long you'll have become as good in that one thing as it is possible for anyone to get. Do that for, say, lasers and Mechanic, and you are already an excellent Amarr pilot Max out your capacitor skills for good measure, and you become an Amarrian master. Throw in drones and some hybrid turret skills, and you've got an excellent Gallente pilot.
The key is always to focus. despite the fact that it's impossible to catch up with the number of skill points the three-year veterans have, you'll find it quite easy to match their performance in any given field rather quickly.
Good hunting! ***
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James Duar
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:05:00 -
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I played EVE for about 6 months, left, then came back around the time the BoB-ASCN war heated up. I figure in actual play I'm at about 9 months.
For the last 2 weeks I have been fighting in every fleet battle I can get into in the present war, and generally having the time of my life. The real key is, I could have been doing this about 4 months game-time earlier had I not trained up mining barges etc. (though I don't regret it).
So no, it's not too late. It's never too late, and trust me, no, you probably never want to fly a Titan if you've ever sat in a Cov Ops watching one for an hour or two (which is about the same experience as flying one).
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:06:00 -
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Too late??? never!
Unless u are still expecting to become the head of some big alliance that is, i think that will be hard to accomplish, but if u still manage it within say... the next 2 years, please convo me and smack me in the face with it, i will be very impressed
I also suggest in the beginning u try a little of everything (yes even pirating) to see if u have a pref of anything.
Anyways good luck in EVE. Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
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J Valkor
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: maCH'EttE
So... It's never too late. You won't ever be as specialised as the older players, they'll always have a technical advantage over you, but this game isn't about SP. It's about common sense, tactics and player skill.
That is not true. There is only so much speccing you can do in skill set before you are maxed. I imagine that the 55+ mil SP players have multiple specializations, can fly a variety of ships with an array of different weapon systems, but somebody with only 15 mil can be just as specialized in one area.
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.18 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Micia
Quote: Is it too late for me in Eve?
No.
indeed.
Grab yourself a frig, mwd, scrambler and put your application in at an office of whichever corp tickles your fancy. You want fights and epic battles, well, as a tackler you don't get any closer to the fight. And any half decent corp should be feeding you ships and mods to keep you in the field, we do after all love our tacklers (maily because they're dirt cheap to keep in action and hold things still for more effecient exploding )
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:08:00 -
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Is it to late for you in real life? No. Same can be said for EVE. Just because you were born at a time when people are already successful at pretty much any business, doesn't mean you can get "there" when you're at the right stage of life.
In the same way, just because you started playing at a time when there are largely successful corps running around - for many years at that, doens't mean you can't get somewhere.
It just takes work and time, is all.
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Engelious Angelion
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:15:00 -
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let me say this in short...
NOT AT ALL!!!
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Jim Pooley
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: maCH'EttE Answer: No.
I played for 2 years, then took a year break and recently rejoined. I was thinking the same as you - it's too late now, everyone will be so far ahead of me.
But the thing is, EVE is built in a very n00b friendly way, IMO. To get your skills to Lv4 doesn't take very long, it's getting them to Lv5 which takes the vast majority of time and SP. For example, to get all the tanking, capacitor, fitting, learning and (racial) weapon skills to Lv4 will take about 4 months. Not too bad, huh. To get them to Lv5 will take you much, much longer, but only gives a small advantage.
So... It's never too late. You won't ever be as specialised as the older players, they'll always have a technical advantage over you, but this game isn't about SP. It's about common sense, tactics and player skill.
Couldn't have put it better. Stick at it matey, ask questions. Enjoy, and drink beer. It's all good!
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Mines a Pint of Large
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Gr3atWhite
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:27:00 -
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YES IT IS TO LATE DONT BOTHER , ALL THESE *******S WHO SAY NO JUST WANT NOOBS TO KILL THEY SUCK.
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gr3atWhite YES IT IS TO LATE DONT BOTHER , ALL THESE *******S WHO SAY NO JUST WANT NOOBS TO KILL THEY SUCK.
Please ignore this guy. This tool doesn't even realise that I'm still somewhat carebear.
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.18 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gr3atWhite YES IT IS TO LATE DONT BOTHER , ALL THESE *******S WHO SAY NO JUST WANT NOOBS TO KILL THEY SUCK.
I'm guessing you had a bad day? ***
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