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capt robn0id2
Amarr Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.02.19 06:23:00 -
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Edited by: capt robn0id2 on 19/02/2007 06:34:02 Edited by: capt robn0id2 on 19/02/2007 06:24:04 This is the sister thread to "coalition getting owned". The other thread was somewhat lacking as it only seems to reference the situation in 1 region.
Does anyone have any evidence that LV isnt going to be mining veld in empire in a couple weeks? I cant see any.
choo choo. all hail the rapetrain
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 19/02/2007 06:21:12 evidence = the entire rest of EVE minus a few alliances. noone can beat an entire town full of angry villagepeople with pitchforks, tar and feathers. even if you are omnipotence itself.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.19 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/02/2007 06:30:08
Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 19/02/2007 06:21:12 evidence = the entire rest of EVE minus a few alliances. noone can beat an entire town full of angry villagepeople with pitchforks, tar and feathers. even if you are omnipotence itself.
I'd organize a pumpgun to keep the forks at bay, but well, in EVE it's maybe more difficult. _______ I came, I read, I lol'ed. |
Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.02.19 06:32:00 -
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Don't forget the Keelhauling! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 06:34:00 -
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Our resolve has never been stronger. You can quote me in saying that at will. _______
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.02.19 06:37:00 -
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The situation currently is pretty straightforward.
BoB Forces are trying hard to demotivate people from attacking BoB territory, so they can help LV again. The Northern Coalition are fighting hard against BoB Forces, but they are taking losses, as was expected.
The Southern Coalition is continuing their move against LV. LV is loosing ground to them.
The speed at which LV dies will be a decisive factor in the war. Once LV is dead, forces can be concentrated, giving the Allied forces an advantage over BoB forces.
In my business there is no black, nor white. Just a million different shades of grey. |
Drosssk
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu Edited by: mazzilliu on 19/02/2007 06:21:12 evidence = the entire rest of EVE minus a few alliances. noone can beat an entire town full of angry villagepeople with pitchforks, tar and feathers. even if you are omnipotence itself.
qft __________________
Enemies strengthen you. Allies weaken. |
niroshido
Caldari Soldiers Of Zahaar
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:18:00 -
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if u study the eve political map, you can clearly see LV has been falling back from RAGOON attacks
TBH thats it really, LV havnt seemed to attempt any type of reclaim of lost systems since it really began, seems they are going on the defence alot
i may be wrong, LV might of had small victories through attacks but it seems they are loosing the war on territorial control
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:22:00 -
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Edited by: Roland 99 on 19/02/2007 07:19:26 it's hard enough to get them to undock currently. their will is broken their ships are destryoed and it is only a matter of time
in the immortal words os sir mollee tick tock tick tock
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:28:00 -
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Come on people, I realise the need to engage in forum warfare and get your own view of the war out there, but so far this thread doesn't really inform people of anything they weren't aware of already. Saying "There's a massive amount of people arrayed against LV" isn't exactly informative now is it?
For those directly involved in this area of the campaign (and I'm not, hence me asking) can we get some hard facts beyond the blindingly obvious? There's nothing so far presented in this thread that would tell a complete outsider anything definitive about the LV campaign beyond "There's a lot of people that want them dead, and numbers should win out against them".
Why not tell people what those numbers are equating to in real terms, using real facts that people can't dispute things like:
- How much space did LV control before the campaign, how much do they control now? What Stations/Outposts and strategic areas have switched control? - Who has been winning the Fleet Battles? Has it been a one-sided affair? Have both sides enjoyed victories at one time or another? How has this shaped the conflict? - How has the POS warfare been progressing? What sides have successfully defended their POS and saved them from being taken down entirely? Both sides? One side more than the other? - What is the status of Capital ship attrition? It's a known fact that LV's Titan-to-be was taken down, but what other capitals have been lost on both sides? - What is the capabilities of both sides to outlast their enemy? Who likely has the industrial backing to survive a war of outright attrition? - And on the sheer numbers factor, what exactly are the numbers on each side roughly? How important are they in shaping the conflict? How important are other factors like the quality of fleets versus the size of fleets?
Basically, let the facts speak for themselves. By all means, offer some interpretations on what those facts equate to for you (this is where forum warfare should really reside, based on a comprehensive detailing of the facts of the matter). Yeah, I've got a side in this conflict for sure, doesn't mean I don't want to hear some basic facts. If LV are truly getting owned, then why not spell out exactly how in real terms relevant to the campaign to support that statement? That's what the sister thread to this does to a degree. Saying "The people are coming with pitchforks" is hardly a comprehensive list of evidence.
So, people involved, let's hear something more solid to support your case. Not saying you don't have those facts to back you up, just that I've not seen them listed here yet.
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Zeoliter
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Roland 99 Edited by: Roland 99 on 19/02/2007 07:19:26 it's hard enough to get them to undock currently. their will is broken their ships are destryoed and it is only a matter of time
in the immortal words os sir mollee tick tock tick tock
This is LV, my friend. We don't get demoralised and cave like little girls because we lost a few battles, one system and a few POSes. Don't try and compare LV with Curse Alliance. ;)
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:39:00 -
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touche` Look forward to the next engagement ^_^ _______
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:40:00 -
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^--which brings me to another important question.
How effective are all the facts of the matter in breaking the will of LV to fight. ^^
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Cabue
Gallente SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zeoliter
Originally by: Roland 99 Edited by: Roland 99 on 19/02/2007 07:19:26 it's hard enough to get them to undock currently. their will is broken their ships are destryoed and it is only a matter of time
in the immortal words os sir mollee tick tock tick tock
This is LV, my friend. We don't get demoralised and cave like little girls because we lost a few battles, one system and a few POSes. Don't try and compare LV with Curse Alliance. ;)
Is this the same LV that said RA is dead?
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Thoric Frosthammer
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zeoliter
This is LV, my friend. We don't get demoralised and cave like little girls because we lost a few battles, one system and a few POSes. Don't try and compare LV with Curse Alliance. ;)
Ok how about lots of battles, lots of POS'es, a baby titan and quite a few capitals. Are we to demoralized yet? I'm thinking possibly.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey Come on people, I realise the need to engage in forum warfare and get your own view of the war out there, but so far this thread doesn't really inform people of anything they weren't aware of already. Saying "There's a massive amount of people arrayed against LV" isn't exactly informative now is it?
For those directly involved in this area of the campaign (and I'm not, hence me asking) can we get some hard facts beyond the blindingly obvious? There's nothing so far presented in this thread that would tell a complete outsider anything definitive about the LV campaign beyond "There's a lot of people that want them dead, and numbers should win out against them".
Why not tell people what those numbers are equating to in real terms, using real facts that people can't dispute things like:
- How much space did LV control before the campaign, how much do they control now? What Stations/Outposts and strategic areas have switched control? - Who has been winning the Fleet Battles? Has it been a one-sided affair? Have both sides enjoyed victories at one time or another? How has this shaped the conflict? - How has the POS warfare been progressing? What sides have successfully defended their POS and saved them from being taken down entirely? Both sides? One side more than the other? - What is the status of Capital ship attrition? It's a known fact that LV's Titan-to-be was taken down, but what other capitals have been lost on both sides? - What is the capabilities of both sides to outlast their enemy? Who likely has the industrial backing to survive a war of outright attrition? - And on the sheer numbers factor, what exactly are the numbers on each side roughly? How important are they in shaping the conflict? How important are other factors like the quality of fleets versus the size of fleets?
Basically, let the facts speak for themselves. By all means, offer some interpretations on what those facts equate to for you (this is where forum warfare should really reside, based on a comprehensive detailing of the facts of the matter). Yeah, I've got a side in this conflict for sure, doesn't mean I don't want to hear some basic facts. If LV are truly getting owned, then why not spell out exactly how in real terms relevant to the campaign to support that statement? That's what the sister thread to this does to a degree. Saying "The people are coming with pitchforks" is hardly a comprehensive list of evidence.
So, people involved, let's hear something more solid to support your case. Not saying you don't have those facts to back you up, just that I've not seen them listed here yet.
Good heavens: A rational and well thought out post. This is still the CAOD forum right? I am not sure that a post of this nature has any place here, just going by the last week.
Now, to the OP: Saying something as often as you can does not make it true. What will happen will happen but I would not hold my breath, the end is still a looong way off. In the end it will be dedication and staying power which win the day, not forum propaganda and asshattery.
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: Brunswick2 on 19/02/2007 07:42:35 There are no goons
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Crellion
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:48:00 -
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I read all the posts from the muppets thinking LV will go back to empire...
Then CARAGoons will join those attacking BoB. Lol
LV has Titan(s) and a huge capital fleet. You think they ll deploy it in Jita?????
If need arises,they will just cyno their assets to BoB space and then the United Skilless Incorporated will be facing blobs of 1000+ fully trained pilots with 200-ish capital ships... (incl. 3+ Titans)... oh what fun you will have!
If there is half a brain in the entire bandwagon combined they ll realise its crusial to leave space for LV to defend (if its up to them).
Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Cabue
Gallente SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Cabue on 19/02/2007 07:51:22 Edited by: Cabue on 19/02/2007 07:50:00
Originally by: Crellion I read all the posts from the muppets thinking LV will go back to empire...
Then CARAGoons will join those attacking BoB. Lol
LV has Titan(s) and a huge capital fleet. You think they ll deploy it in Jita?????
If need arises,they will just cyno their assets to BoB space and then the United Skilless Incorporated will be facing blobs of 1000+ fully trained pilots with 200-ish capital ships... (incl. 3+ Titans)... oh what fun you will have!
If there is half a brain in the entire bandwagon combined they ll realise its crusial to leave space for LV to defend (if its up to them).
Wow! Thanks for giving us your killer tactics! Now I'll run and tell everyone that CoW says to own LV, but not too hard...
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niroshido
Caldari Soldiers Of Zahaar
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:52:00 -
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most recent eve map
past eve map
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:52:00 -
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I'll try and be as impartial as I can on this one. That, and everything I say is backed up by cold, hard fact.
In the east, RA and goons are thrashing LV to within an inch of it's life. While LV secretly haul fuel to their towers right before DT, RA and goons dominate every single system, all the time. Goons' are quite a unique alliance in that they achieve more in game, and are even more deadly the more ships they lose. This means that even when LV fights back (usually on the forums) they actually suffer a bigger defeat the more goons they kill. That, and RA is russian, so they're immune to LV smacktalk. It is predicted that LV will fall next saturday evening, probably after RA+allies have eaten dinner.
In Querious: BoB jump from system to system trying to save their pet alliances, who simply can't hold up the the pressure put on them by the north. Their cap fleet is like a frog hopping across lillypads - in a lake of hot lava. Word has it that BoB DDed FIX's entire fleet, too. Dread losses were probably due to sploits and lag, but the combined might of Raziumsusism (RZZ+TRI+MM+SKZ) has crippled FIX's already weak fleet (apparently BoB does not allow FIX to fly battleships as part of their deal).
In Fountain and probably the rest of EVE: D2 is winning every single day. While sov kicks in they are taking it easy, blowing up BoB fleets in the morning and then Xelas and Aftermath at night to cool down. AFAIK D2 hasn't lost a single capital ship in the whole campaign, and even how are seiging Y-2 to make an inroad to Delve. BoB has tried on several occasions to delay the inevitable by using their titans (word has it they changed the avatar DD sound to a baby crying). This whole process is accelerated by the fact that BoB is suffering a mass exodus of members, and everyone left is a spy for D2 or RA. Molle is even selling the Avatar on eBay to buy a new toyota.
Period Basis: MC is unable to defend their space against the AAA onslaught due to the time that they have to split their playtime between their MC characters and their BoB pilots that are hopping around the galaxy. AAA's new Erebus has instilled so much fear into MC that they have reportedly offered, for a large sum of money, to attack a target of AAA's choice.
There are others who are beating LV and BoB atm too. CA are helping with LV, as are snigg. IAC is in the mix too, which adds to the humiliation on the BoB/LV side due to the simple fact that they're being beaten by a bunch of drunks.
So, to answer the OP: Yes. LV is not winning. In fact they're losing really, really badly. Their losses are estimated to be in the hundreds of billions if you count all the loss mails that aren't on their killboards. Take this for what you will, but this is a pure, unbiased, objective look at the situation.
And no, I haven't been involved in a single fight.
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:52:00 -
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nah they're too busy running to empire everytime we bring a fleet to take out the trash in GW _______
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iulixxi
Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.19 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: iulixxi on 19/02/2007 07:58:01
Originally by: Attak
In Fountain and probably the rest of EVE: D2 is winning every single day. While sov kicks in they are taking it easy, blowing up BoB fleets in the morning and then Xelas and Aftermath at night to cool down. AFAIK D2 hasn't lost a single capital ship in the whole campaign, and even how are seiging Y-2 to make an inroad to Delve.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Take a look here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=478448 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=478296 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=478250
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Crellion
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.19 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cabue Edited by: Cabue on 19/02/2007 07:51:22 Edited by: Cabue on 19/02/2007 07:50:00
Originally by: Crellion I read all the posts from the muppets thinking LV will go back to empire...
Then CARAGoons will join those attacking BoB. Lol
LV has Titan(s) and a huge capital fleet. You think they ll deploy it in Jita?????
If need arises,they will just cyno their assets to BoB space and then the United Skilless Incorporated will be facing blobs of 1000+ fully trained pilots with 200-ish capital ships... (incl. 3+ Titans)... oh what fun you will have!
If there is half a brain in the entire bandwagon combined they ll realise its crusial to leave space for LV to defend (if its up to them).
Wow! Thanks for giving us your killer tactics! Now I'll run and tell everyone that CoW says to own LV, but not too hard...
Ummm... be my guest? Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Alexxi Ljung
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.02.19 08:04:00 -
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You are right , d2 didnt lose a single capital ship ..errr hold on , does the 9 dreads they lost last night in Y-2 count on ?
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.02.19 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nooey on 19/02/2007 08:05:01 Rofl attak...just...rofl...*tears* You are the master of sarcasm...now for the usual stream of people who thought you were being serious...
Seriously though, a comprehensive facts from one of the Anti-LV people would add a lot more weight to their clamouring of "LV GONNA DIE, PITCHFORKS KK! LOLZ"
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Crellion
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.19 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 19/02/2007 08:04:37
Originally by: Roland 99 nah they're too busy running to empire everytime we bring a fleet to take out the trash in GW
You are referring to you having allready suffered massive losses to a 200 man alliance (including 100 second chars) and being unable to react in any better way than bringing a fleet of 70-80 down from Detorid, chasing them to Egbinger for 10 mins, smacking like bannable 5 year olds in local, then returning to Detorid so that the aforementioned alliance with 25 man ganks can go back to killing your POSs and pilots in GW?
Yes I can see clearly what you are so proud of ... gratz.
EDIT: OH AND PLEASE SAY HI TO XIRTAM THE "LOUD ONE" FROM ME! Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Skrypt
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.19 08:21:00 -
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LV is devastated. I have no idea how we'll ever move forward.
I go on vacation for a few days and leave the COAD forum and look at the mess it terms into! Sheesh. You guys really need me. My smackfoo is simply that good. ----------
"I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart) |
Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion Edited by: Crellion on 19/02/2007 08:04:37
Originally by: Roland 99 nah they're too busy running to empire everytime we bring a fleet to take out the trash in GW
You are referring to you having allready suffered massive losses to a 200 man alliance (including 100 second chars) and being unable to react in any better way than bringing a fleet of 70-80 down from Detorid, chasing them to Egbinger for 10 mins, smacking like bannable 5 year olds in local, then returning to Detorid so that the aforementioned alliance with 25 man ganks can go back to killing your POSs and pilots in GW?
Yes I can see clearly what you are so proud of ... gratz.
EDIT: OH AND PLEASE SAY HI TO XIRTAM THE "LOUD ONE" FROM ME!
Apparently your grasp of reality is growing quite thin.
you gank solo CA pilots in GW with nanoships
CA get tired of it and comes all the way from detroid with a fleet to confront your pilots
in an EVEN NUMBER encounter, your pilots run to Ebinger leaving dictor bubbles 100KM from the gates
Lather rinse repeat
Looks a little different from our point of view _______
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Crellion
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.19 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Roland 99
Originally by: Crellion Edited by: Crellion on 19/02/2007 08:04:37
Originally by: Roland 99 nah they're too busy running to empire everytime we bring a fleet to take out the trash in GW
You are referring to you having allready suffered massive losses to a 200 man alliance (including 100 second chars) and being unable to react in any better way than bringing a fleet of 70-80 down from Detorid, chasing them to Egbinger for 10 mins, smacking like bannable 5 year olds in local, then returning to Detorid so that the aforementioned alliance with 25 man ganks can go back to killing your POSs and pilots in GW?
Yes I can see clearly what you are so proud of ... gratz.
EDIT: OH AND PLEASE SAY HI TO XIRTAM THE "LOUD ONE" FROM ME!
Apparently your grasp of reality is growing quite thin.
you gank solo CA pilots in GW with nanoships
CA get tired of it and comes all the way from detroid with a fleet to confront your pilots
in an EVEN NUMBER encounter, your pilots run to Ebinger leaving dictor bubbles 100KM from the gates
Lather rinse repeat
Looks a little different from our point of view
In even number engagements we spank you.
In 35 v 85 we still spank you (happened 3 times allready)
in 25 v 70 we did run to Egbinger last night and go you.
We have killed as many of you trying to fight back as we have killed npcers.
You can keep your grasp on reality and I ll keep my fair grasp on your assets.
BTW Are you going to petition our Nanoships killing your POSs?
Enough discussion , when you want to smack some more do it in local in proud CA fashion.
The good people of eve know how to find the public Killboards and study them and laugh at you. o/ Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
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