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Svanna Gulmi	Posted - 2007.02.21 15:43:00 - [1] Hi all, am tempted in buying a small ammo/missile t2 bpo but concerned about the time it will take to break even..... I'm guessing i could pick up a small hybrid t2 bpo for about 1bill (correct me if i'm wrong pls) so how long would i expect to break even, based on a non stop production. What whould you guys reccomend to buy as a first T2 BPO? there will be at the most 2 bill to invest! Some facts and figures pls
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.02.21 16:55:00 - [2] 2 billion won't get you much of anything. It will get you a crappy BPO that no one really wants most likely. But the T2 market is in MAJOR flux right now. Prices are generally falling across the board due to the new BPO's and invention. It hasn't hit a free fall yet, but it could at any time. This is not the best time to invest all you have in a T2 bpo is my suggestion. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Robacz Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.21 18:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Svanna Gulmi Hi all, am tempted in buying a small ammo/missile t2 bpo but concerned about the time it will take to break even..... I'm guessing i could pick up a small hybrid t2 bpo for about 1bill (correct me if i'm wrong pls) so how long would i expect to break even, based on a non stop production. What whould you guys reccomend to buy as a first T2 BPO? there will be at the most 2 bill to invest! Some facts and figures pls Over 1 year, often 1.5 or 2 years. I would rather invest the ISK into good T1 prints, there are still some with very nice profits, you just need to find them. _________ Buying/Selling: Implants & Hardwirings Producing/BPCs: Mining Barges, T2 Components T2 Distribution: 8 regions covered
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.02.21 19:54:00 - [4] (Note: All of this comes from my perception, and as such my or may not reflect the Actual Truth) T2 BPOs aren't a good investment if you're looking strictly at ROI. As mentioned, current standard market prices range from one to two years payback. Therefore, T2 BPOs aren't recommended if you're still looking for maximum revenue per ISK invested. However, T2 BPOs come into their own when looking at long-term capital growth. Firstly, as a scarce item their base value appreciates nicely even when normalized against inflation. Secondly, they're relatively liquid. Thus, the money you've sunk into the initial purchase is fairly secure (of course: diversify! diversify!). Thirdly, they do boast some impressive revenue rates (to time), when looked at them independently of initial investment. Therefore, I would recommend T2 BPOs to a corp/individual with large amounts of fallow ISK, having already exploited the better ROI opportunities.
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.21 22:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Ramblin Man However, T2 BPOs come into their own when looking at long-term capital growth. Firstly, as a scarce item their base value appreciates nicely even when normalized against inflation. I'll have to disagree with this point (though the others still hold some truth...but that may change soon for the same reason.) T2 BPO sale prices should be at best stable if not declining right now. Until they started seeding them again the definitely appreciated in value. Now that they are again falling into people's laps, and no indication that they will stop doing so again soon (if ever), buying a T2 BPO other than for in-house corp/alliance use carries significant depriciation risk. A T2 BPO will still be saleable, it may still make great (though smaller) profits, but if enough get seeded you'll never get your 50 bil back out of it if/when you do sell it.
pshepherd Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.02.21 23:23:00 - [6] I own a Javelin M BPO. It cost me almost 2billion to buy, and makes me around 50 million isk a month. Rather than trying to 'make even' i hope that CCP won't delete all the BPO's, so when i'm bored of production i can sell it (current BPO's are selling for around 3billion).
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium	Posted - 2007.02.22 01:14:00 - [7] small hybrid bpo are probably at least 5b, seeing how even crappy ammos are 1-1.5. you could get 2 battleship bpos for 2b and you'd make a hell of a lot more isk from those than you would with some garbage t2 bpo.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.02.22 05:11:00 - [8] though i'm partially with shaderle, i'm not entirely ^^ new t2 BPOs have been seeded, yes. invention has "capped" a few thingies aswell - mostly modules around/beyond 10mil, though. but i don't see the major "across the board" crash of prices. true, predicting anything remains a risky business these days, but if it's a "low" t2 BPO (i.e. not likely to be affected by invention), i believe the margin of error of these predictions isn't that large. just try not to calculate too optimistic and consider a 1year break even point.
Svanna Gulmi	Posted - 2007.02.22 09:04:00 - [9] Wow, thanks for all your input It's certainly something to think about then.. It's my first real look into the market and this kinda industry but i want to get a good slice of the market action legitimatly!
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.02.22 09:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Jennai small hybrid bpo are probably at least 5b, seeing how even crappy ammos are 1-1.5. you could get 2 battleship bpos for 2b and you'd make a hell of a lot more isk from those than you would with some garbage t2 bpo. That may be true, but you have to take into the equation the enormous ammount of effort that goes into building battleships. There is a lot of hauling involved, that takes time. For me, ISK per hour is the correct way to make any comparisons at all.
Jennai Leonard J. Crabs Legal Consortium	Posted - 2007.02.22 10:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Jennai small hybrid bpo are probably at least 5b, seeing how even crappy ammos are 1-1.5. you could get 2 battleship bpos for 2b and you'd make a hell of a lot more isk from those than you would with some garbage t2 bpo. That may be true, but you have to take into the equation the enormous ammount of effort that goes into building battleships. There is a lot of hauling involved, that takes time. For me, ISK per hour is the correct way to make any comparisons at all. I don't haul anything, I just make buy orders in a hub system, build and sell in the same station. you need a lot of capital to build in quantity, but if you can do that then the isk rolls in way faster than from some cheap t2 bpo. hell, you can probably make more selling T1 laser crystals in amarr space than you can with a crappy t2 ammo.
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:51:00 - [12] I think T2 ammo prints are always going to go a bit above the other prints in terms of BPO value vs. profit * standard period. A lot of people want them (as far as I can see) for strategic instead of financial reasons -- i.e. they want to be able to produce Barrage S for the equivalent of 23 isk p/u for their members instead of paying market rate (which isn't likely to go down considering how low the ROI & even just regular profit are on the prints).
Ulrich Sternaxe	Posted - 2007.02.23 13:45:00 - [13] Edited by: Ulrich Sternaxe on 23/02/2007 13:53:06 Originally by: pshepherd I own a Javelin M BPO. It cost me almost 2billion to buy, and makes me around 50 million isk a month. Rather than trying to 'make even' i hope that CCP won't delete all the BPO's, so when i'm bored of production i can sell it (current BPO's are selling for around 3billion). I own a certain tech I BPO. It cost me about 40million to buy, and made me around 50 million isk a week. At least, that was until they changed some jumpgates with the latest patch, now I'm glad if I can make 20 million per week Why oh why did they have to change it ... well I know of course, but it still bums I just hope it helps speed things up and the change isn't for nothing... Come to think of it, I have another tech I BPO that cost me less then 10million which was generating similar profits (just a little less).

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