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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.21 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: sr blackout on 21/02/2007 17:05:47
This idea came about, watching videos from eveā and seeing how demanding and difficult it is to capture big battles in eve with such things as fraps and what notā and I thought back what one game and I guess many other games had always.
That is the ability to record pure data from the players perspective, in a demo format that can later be played back and recreated with the client.
Most fps games like CS had this feature and itÆs a great tool, if you remember nobody would fraps in CS or other fps games, as the demo feature did wonders (when it worked)
Since most of the graphics and other things are client side and only info from server about other players is given to the client, I do not see a whole lot of harm in having option to capture the movements or data of the battle field and then played back with full glory of detail. Imagine able to switch to other players ships (only the view in battle) like a ghost and then create videos from different points of viewā this would be superb I think.
This type of data would req far less work then fraps since your not capturing the whole screen at once, and with eve it requires high level of resolution to capture everything in detail, thus this demo recording and play back option is a must have feature.
Issues and concerns. Of course there are many issues and concerns with giving the client such ability, but this is more up to the devs to answer, if there is any sensitive data that can only be from the server received, then so be itā the demo playback feature could require you to be connected to the server regardless and then some progress bar to replay the demo and then option to capture with some software the video or pick only selected files and have eve reprocess it into a different format to be played on standalone or offline after the server has reprocessed the data, and made it "safe"
to take away the unknown variables... this should only be option dedicated to 1-3 or however people in a fleet, as to not abuse the servers bandwidth and add more lag, it should be scalable client and server side depending on the load in the grid... as far as detail and accuracy
I think with the new vista patchs and new graphics that this can be implemented into that, which would be one of the most awesome features, and also great tactical replay for pvpers
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Jangus McGee
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jangus McGee on 21/02/2007 16:57:22 That would do wonders.
PS ^ not sarcastic. Demos would be fantastic. --------------------------------------------------
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:01:00 -
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Yes plz --------------------
Verone for President of EVE |
sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:06:00 -
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Imagine the option for the gang positions to be able to record with more privileges for there rankā like the fleet commander or wing commander being able to pause and analyze the gang members basic thingsā there hp, there locksā
This all can be done because all of that data is out there to each client, as far as how the data is managed and how accurate it is for the sake of lag or bandwidth thatÆs another manner, it would have to be a scalable option that is controlled some what on client side and on serverā as to not have more lag if everyone happens to be recording a battleā
More suggestionsā in gang feature to give privilege to a dedicated person to be able to record the battleā this would limit the bandwidth issues and everyone wanting to record the battleā if only a limited amount of people can record per fleet (gang) then I see this fixed and you having to be in the fleet and in the grid and not cloaked, then this does take out those unknowns as far as lag, or spys recording the whole thing etcā
It has to be limited and yet useful, that is that you can only record what your client sees, but powerful enough to be able to replay it as if it was real and be able to get out of your ship and lock a different target or orbit other objects, see the line of fire or locks and stuff like thatā
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Dammar
Amarr Ephorate
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:10:00 -
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Would be awesome, but something tells me it would be horribly inaccurate, that is just a hunch tho. heh
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dammar Would be awesome, but something tells me it would be horribly inaccurate, that is just a hunch tho. heh
it would be as accurate as you see things now though an option to make things smooth like when there is lag would be something cool to have, but as i said before, recording data is a lot less work then recording video, the data has far more options too, and can be controlled and scaled while video is what you see is what you get and thats it.
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:25:00 -
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iirc CCP said a while ago they would like to add this ability to record data incoming to client on local drive, which would then allow this kind of replay ability.
No idea if it's still planned, though ^^;
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: sr blackout Imagine able to switch to other players ships (only the view in battle) like a ghost and then create videos from different points of viewā this would be superb I think.
**** yeah
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Kaalen
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kaalen on 21/02/2007 17:32:27 I would love this, You could participate in a large fleet battle and then go over it again afterwards, fraps it from different angles and cut together a dramatic 'movie' version of an actual event; without having to stage one or just use the footage of your part in it. Especially with the release of the new graphics, you'd be able to take a real in-game battle and create something stunning from it.
Please put this in, CCP! A feature like this would certainly be something to brag about and it cannot possibly be all that difficult to pull off.
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:36:00 -
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There is a 3d party application which approximates it, integrating itself pretty much within the EVE UI and with a bit of configuration not even conflicting with existing key bindings.
Thusfar I'm still at odds how it compares to fraps, but being to able - for instance - to continue to record while alt tabbing or switching to another eve client .. nice.
Have a look.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:40:00 -
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It should be more then do ableā the only issue is bandwidth/lag and IF everyone should be able to do it or only few select in a fleet gangā I would prefer a limited amount of peopleā say per wing/squad to record it.. and if you think about it it only req few people to do it anyway because you should be able to switch views after thatā only see the ship not the players ui/fitting just like you do view on a ship/object now
I think all those video guys should be drooling over such idea hehe
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Kaalen
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kaalen on 21/02/2007 17:41:19
Originally by: Virtuozzo There is a 3d party application which approximates it, integrating itself pretty much within the EVE UI and with a bit of configuration not even conflicting with existing key bindings.
Thusfar I'm still at odds how it compares to fraps, but being to able - for instance - to continue to record while alt tabbing or switching to another eve client .. nice.
Have a look.
I'm pretty sure that this only creates video footage of what you see on the screen, we want to be able to run the battle again, as a spectator, within the EVE client itself. So that we have full control over the camera and can watch everything going on in more detail (and record it using fraps or similar from lots of different angles).
Come to think of it, this would benefit the EVE-TV crew and the tournaments. The ability to watch replays like this with full camera control would work wonders I'd think.
Also, surely the only strain of this would be on your computer not the server? If my understanding of this is correct then you are still recieving the same data from the server, the only difference is that the client is accessing it to display it on screen AND you are constantly saving it for use later. I don't think it would have an effect on anyone that wasn't recording. Or am I misunderstood? I don't calim to know wha tI'm tlaking about when it comes to these things.
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Virtuozzo
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:45:00 -
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Ah k, I understand. That would be nifty indeed ... I vaguely remember some comment on it during a dev interview a long time ago, but whether it is feasible, not sure :/
It would be a LOT of data.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 21/02/2007 17:53:17
I would love this. No more "I'm going to Fraps this fight; it'll be cool. Oops, I was paying too much attention to getting a nice view. Where's my clone?"
Originally by: Virtuozzo It would be a LOT of data.
I dunno. If it's done well, it shouldn't involve any extra bandwidth. Your client is having to receive all this data to display ships, effects and so on. If it was just a replay of what was happening in your grid, then you're already getting the data.
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sakana
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.21 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Virtuozzo There is a 3d party application which approximates it, integrating itself pretty much within the EVE UI and with a bit of configuration not even conflicting with existing key bindings.
Thusfar I'm still at odds how it compares to fraps, but being to able - for instance - to continue to record while alt tabbing or switching to another eve client .. nice.
Have a look.
i like the sound of alt-tabbing while recording :)
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:00:00 -
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A good idea, actually it shouldn't be difficult at all! The client recieves already all the data from the server and renders it into nice pictures. "All" what it needs is to save incoming data to a file and then make the client be able to switch from reading from the network to reading from that file and voila you have a nice playback.
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:16:00 -
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i know its possible what i want is extra features for fleet gang... those that have command of squad/wing or fleet should have options to view there gang members activities basic things but yet strategic stuff as well... that of course should only be given to few people as that would req "extra" data
what would be really nifty is if you could be the fleet commander and if people send you there recordings then you get to see that demo integrated and you get to see the gang members activities the dmg dealt or taken... think how important this is for commanders and capital ship players and or whatever important role is involved
think how this will also help bug hunting as well? and fix or patch exploits
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Stitcher
Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.21 18:22:00 -
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IT would actually be quite nice to somehow record the vector data so that it can be rendered properly later on. The Devs could make use of it for future trailers among other things.
/signed ***
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:17:00 -
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thats what i was saying imagine this in the hands of the pro's heh would make some real nice tutorial stuff as well!! think about how much help this would be to the noobs as well!! you could do tutorial in every area
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Sean Dillon
Caldari LEGI0N
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:30:00 -
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The problem I have with fraps is that it creates such an enourmess ammounts of big files for just a few minites. I dont know if CCP would have enough capacity to store all that.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.02.21 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Raivi on 21/02/2007 19:34:30 This is a great idea. It would take absolutely no more work for the server, all changes would be client side. The demo files would be much much smaller than video files so it wouldn't be too tough on your hard drive. I would love the ability to look back over battles and evaluate my strengths and weaknesses.
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.22 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Dillon The problem I have with fraps is that it creates such an enourmess ammounts of big files for just a few minites. I dont know if CCP would have enough capacity to store all that.
huh? fraps records your screen res... and is from what i remember uncompressed as well... that is big... depending on fps that is that many times a sec the screen is being captured... while if you only record the raw ship and other vector and what not data that is only a bunch of numbers or variables... compare the 2 and see which files are smaller and the fact that all that data is always being sent to the client in real time... so dont see a problem recording it and playing it as a demo/replay i want more features for gang/fleet leaders to show more things from the gang
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Lithalnas
Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.02.22 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Lithalnas on 22/02/2007 05:13:16 would be nice to have a warcraft III type system that captured everyones movements and then have an external app be able to render the battle in all its glory with a free camera. ------------- Midshipman Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.22 06:03:00 -
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this has been done for a long time... i think way back mostly in fps and rts games
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.02.22 06:48:00 -
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Hehe... reminds me of Quake Done Quick
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.22 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre Hehe... reminds me of Quake Done Quick
lol
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.23 06:12:00 -
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it would be nice if a dev would look at this, and comment? if they had thoughts of this in the past and if its on there todo list in the future? or if its on the drawingboard?
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Reggie Stoneloader
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 07:42:00 -
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It would be nice, but your'e only getting info from your grid, and since battles take place over larger areas than that, it would be imperfect as a tactical review tool.
But as a cinematic device, that would be super. Dramatic camera angles, sweet close-ups, all kinds of fun stuff would become possible.
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader It would be nice, but your'e only getting info from your grid, and since battles take place over larger areas than that, it would be imperfect as a tactical review tool.
But as a cinematic device, that would be super. Dramatic camera angles, sweet close-ups, all kinds of fun stuff would become possible.
how is that not perfect view? you cant watch more then 1 battle anyway... or expect to get anything out of it... you would have recordings from each battle O_o is that not enough?
you could watch both side by side from diff ppls recordings and watch when things started etc... based on the game time recorded and by the logs... it all will make sense would be nice to have even a timeline feature in there some place
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